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Thank you ...Edit

High Tatras

... for improving article quality in July! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

for your tireless effort in improving History content on Wiki by taking the "clean Wehrmacht" myth head on! I only knew about it when it was mentioned on the Military History WikiProject newsletter The Bugle. Amazing effort. Yosy (talk) 10:17, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt and Yosy: thank you; I appreciate it. Yosy, in addition to the Bugle op-ed, you may also be interested in this article:
The journal article is available in full at the above link. --K.e.coffman (talk) 06:06, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the article. Very informative. Keep it up!! Yosy (talk) 15:36, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Fighter pilot claims tablesEdit

Thanks for all the work you've done on removing historical fiction from Luftwaffe biographies. I recently thought of a possible solution for the claims table controversy: moving the claims table and explanation to a separate article, for example List of Erich Hartmann's aerial victory claims. This would be analagous to filmographies and discographies, which are often listed in a separate article from an entertainers biography. A short list of bios which would be suitable for this treatment include Erich Hartmann, Gunther Rall, Otto Kittel, Gerhard Barkhorn, Hans-Joachim Marseille, Johnnie Johnson and Pat Pattle. Since I know you have been active in this area, I wanted to solicit your feedback before proceeding, as well as not knowing the appropriate channel to start a general RFC. Catrìona (talk) 17:04, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

@Catrìona: Hmm, I'm not sure about these tables being equivalent to "filmographies and discographies", as none of the individual victories is independently notable. Other than that, that's not a bad approach. For any potential RfC, Wikipedia talk:Splitting would be a logical location. --K.e.coffman (talk) 06:04, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) I don't think I personally like the idea of equating men killed by one person to artistic or scholarly works. For one thing, murder is not art. For the other, this would give Wehraboos another angle for venerating their sword-saints. –Vami_IV✠ 14:15, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
@Vami IV: I don't disagree, as I find these tables to be excessive amounts of information and what I would term as "inappropriate trophy rooms"; see a related section on my user page: User:K.e.coffman#Enemy in the cross-hairs. You might want to raise the issue at WT:MILHIST; e.g.: Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Content guide#Biographies. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:27, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
How should I go about this? –Vami_IV† 20:47, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
@Vami IV: If you find the tables to be non-neutral, then Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard would be a good place to start a discussion. If they are excessive (indiscriminate amounts of information), then perhaps Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not. Hope this is helpful. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:34, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
I remember a MilHist discussion on the issue, although I don't think it ever actually resolved anything. I don't really care if it's a separate list or not, so long as I don't have to look at it. So a collapsed table works for me as well.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:47, 18 August 2018 (UTC)


Please self-revert. There is a discussion taking place on the content and it is the norm to not revert content being challenged/discussed while discussion re: inclusion is still taking place. -- ψλ 18:15, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

You recently added content: [1]; [2] (B). It was challenged and removed (R). There's now discussion on the Talk page (D). So what's the problem? --K.e.coffman (talk) 18:21, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Discussion started before your removal, that's the problem. Plus, doing so and doubling down on it now really does look like WP:DISRUPTION as well as WP:POKE. Having a civil discussion that's productive is more important than removal of the content. Don't forget that there is no hurry here as Wikipedia isn't on a WP:DEADLINE. If you want to take part in the discussion, great, but you really do need to self-revert. To keep things WP:CIVIL, of course. Reverting now doesn't look very civil to me. -- ψλ 18:24, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
I think you are misunderstanding how WP:BRD works. I joined the discussion on Talk page and explained my reasoning. Don't forget that there is no hurry here as Wikipedia isn't on a WP:DEADLINE, so if your addition was a valid one, the discussion will bear it out. If you want to take part in the discussion, great, but you really do need to stop bothering people on their talk pages. To keep things WP:CIVIL, of course. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:30, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Discussion on the presence of the content started before you disruptively reverted the same content out. That's a WP:JERK and WP:BATTLE/WP:POKE move. FYI: WP:BRD isn't policy and I understand how it works just fine. -- ψλ 18:33, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Accusing people of WP:JERK and WP:BATTLE/WP:POKE does not sound very WP:CIVIL to me. And OR cited to Rush Limbaugh -- you considered that an appropriate addition to the article?
Again, I explained my reasoning on the Talk page: Talk:Dinesh_D'Souza#Recent_edit; I stand by my edit. Bottom line, your addition was reverted; now it's time for discussion, not for throwing around accusations and harassing other editors. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:38, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
(1) No one's being harassed and no one is a victim; (2) What you did was a WP:JERK move and started the dissembling of civility and did constitute WP:POKE as well as establish WP:BATTLE; (3) It's clear you're digging your heels in an standing by your edit, regardless of the attempt from me to appeal to your WP:COMMONSENSE and the better editing angels of your nature. So be it. The downward spiral of Wikipedia as a functional community continues. -- ψλ 20:02, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
It's clear you're persisting with your accusations and unreasonable demands, regardless of my attempts to explain the edits to you in good faith, i.e. [3]. Sigh... Please heed your own advice, especially in re: WP:CIVIL and WP:DISRUPTIVE. Since you also mentioned WP:JERK, here's some advice from the essay that you may benefit from following:
Telling someone "don't be a jerk" is generally wrong — especially if it's true. It upsets the other person and reduces the chance that they'll listen to what you say.
K.e.coffman (talk) 20:41, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps I wasn't clear. My post re: WP:JERK wasn't me calling you a jerk. As I said above, what you did was a "jerk move". I was commenting on what you did, the behavior, and how it appeared, not about you personally. I've never thought of you as a jerk, doubt if I ever would. In all honesty, when you did revert the content out, I was completely surprised because you were the one who did it. I never would have expected that behavior from you. My initial thoughts were that you had to have missed there was a discussion already taking place regarding the content in the lead. When it was clear to me you didn't miss it, that's when I referred to WP:JERK as reference to a behavior ("jerk move"), not a personal attack. -- ψλ 20:43, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Re: My post re: WP:JERK wasn't me calling you a jerk. Some questions,
  • You must have known that WP:JERK links to "Don't be a jerk", but you did not mean to call me a "jerk"?
  • Do you consider "a WP:JERK move" civil? Not a personal attack?
And finally, you don't feel the need to apologise, not even a little bit? To keep things WP:CIVIL, of course. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:20, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Correct, I was not calling you a jerk (didn't I already say that more than once above?)
I consider what I said to be a commentary on behavior and not in the least uncivil or a personal attack because I know that when I wrote it, there was no incivility in my motive nor was I attempting to personally attack you.
I find it strange to apologize for something that was never meant to be uncivil or a personal attack, however, if it will make you feel better than my honest explanation has, then I apologize for hurting your feelings (that's what's happened, right?) -- ψλ 21:41, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
I've read somewhere that you self-identify as an aspie, but c'mon, can you be that clueless? There's no incivility in my motive when I say this, as a reasonable person can interpret your actions as trolling. Especially, when you come to my talk page with mentions of "WP:CIVILITY" and how you did not "expect that behavior from [me]". You may also want to stop following Snoogans, because it does look like WP:HARASSMENT. Your excessive postings & templated messages on his TP come across as WP:POKING with the the intend to irritate rather than solve a dispute. So please take my advice as your actions are disruptive. And please don't use "WP:JERK" or "WP:JERK move" because they are the same thing, and neither is civil. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:01, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
"Self-identify"? Uh, no. It's called an official diagnosis.
As to being "that clueless" -- yes, absolutely. It's part of being on the autism spectrum. If you're not familiar with the many aspects of it, maybe you should read some on it before making insulting statements like that.
"neither is civil" If you say so. I happen to disagree because I know what the essay says in total and I know what my intention was. -- ψλ 22:05, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Well, for someone who dishes WP:JERKs so readily, you have a pretty thin skin. I said "self-identify" because we are all anonymous people on the internet. The bottom line is that you cannot use your disability to excuse insulting & harassing others, especially when people try to help you out by pointing out that your comments and actions are inappropriate. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:10, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

You reverted my response. That's... interesting. I thought we were having a discussion that was going to lead to some understanding. Now I'm sadly starting to see you in a different light. Yikes. -- ψλ 22:24, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, it seemed pointless to engage in further discussion. Let me be direct: when someone reverts you, it means that you've overstayed your welcome. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:27, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Apparent Neo Nazi editorEdit

HH88 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

I remember that you deal with some of this issue of Neo Nazi editors. I take this username as clearly meaning "Heil Hitler". The user's edit history confirms interest in this topic. It is well known that 88 is a Neo Nazi code for HH as in Heil Hitler. Perhaps you could keep an eye on this situation. I tried to report this to administrators but failed to convey how clearly this is a troll or disruptive name. I will take this to Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User names if I don't forget after giving this individual "time to respond". —DIYeditor (talk) 03:56, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@DIYeditor: Thanks for letting me know; I commented at the UAA report, which has been reopened. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:30, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Tiny's TEdit

It is the back of the T-shirt that is most offensive.,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/lth3ml2ohwry5jiim52z.jpg

From source:

2601:601:1900:E990:1831:904B:A04F:28BB (talk) 06:46, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes, "Free helicopter rides" has been a long-term staple of the far-right / alt-right. --K.e.coffman (talk) 06:08, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Vernichtungskrieg translationEdit

FYI, I translated Vernichtungskrieg into English. My German isn't that great and it was machine assisted, so feel free to ruthlessly improve if you desire. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:51, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

@Bri: thank you for your work on this; nice job! I had the term red-linked from a few articles, so this is very helpful. --K.e.coffman (talk) 12:27, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Blockstack for deletionEdit


A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Blockstack is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blockstack until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 19:10, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

@Jtbobwaysf: thank you for letting me know. --K.e.coffman (talk) 12:14, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

More problematic WWII contentEdit

Masha Bruskina, a seventeen-year-old girl who participated in non-violent resistance, was apparently a "Jewish resistance fighter", a "Soviet partisan", and a "Belarusian partisan"[4] Catrìona (talk) 01:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

@Catrìona: thank you for making the corrections. I have a section dedicated to this phenomenon: User:K.e.coffman#"Ah, partisanen!". The topic of Masha Bruskina is included three times -- poor child. The more disturbing element was a photo caption replicating verbatim the Nazi 1941 propaganda caption.
Also, thank you for creating the redirects to Bandenbekämpfung. The article is quite bare-bones; if you are interested in expanding it, that would be great. --K.e.coffman (talk) 22:24, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Weasel words in the bio of a convicted Nazi war criminal: his "involvement" in the murder of 335 civilians "while serving in Italy" "led to allegations of war crimes"[5] in Karl Hass Catrìona (talk) 04:04, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
The tireless work you have done on removing and challenging the various shades of Nazi apologism, as well as campaigning to bring it to attention in various spheres, continues to make Wikipedia a better place. Thank you for all that you have done, and all that you do. — Sasuke Sarutobi (push to talk) 13:55, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Ke, salutes for your valiant efforts! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:07, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

"The Battle for Wikipedia" articleEdit

Saw this over at the milhist page, it is reads an awful lot like the Bugle article and the ARBCOM case..... But not reference to either....Icewhiz (talk) 14:25, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

@Icewhiz: Thanks for the concern, but it's not the case. One could say that there are similarities because of the common origin of both pieces — my email to historians, which can be seen here: User:K.e.coffman/Email. Stahel also provided a statement to ArbCom for which I asked him to review the Hoepner Talk page: User:K.e.coffman/Statement B. The combined result was the journal article:
The article is available in full at the above link. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:38, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Quick question about Talk:Sarah JeongEdit

Did you mean to have a "not" in your !vote here? XOR'easter (talk) 15:33, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

@XOR'easter: Thank you; I fixed it now. --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:38, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
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