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RFCEdit

Please participate in this RFC. You comment is really needed there. Itcouldbepossible Talk 06:36, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Cast section format in Jurassic World DominionEdit

There is somewhat of a disagreement about the cast section format of Jurassic World Dominion. The InfiniteNexus has changed the cast format to this format and explained his reasons on the article's talk place in section Cast Order, which I don't entirely agree with because some of these actors had their names on the previous teaser poster for one. Secondly, InfiniteNexus's format has placed some actors who are notable in the Jurassic World trilogy, (Isabella Sermon, Justice Smith and Daniella Pineda) in the Additionally part of the list, which is not very subtle and appropriate for the actors who appeared in two of Jurassic World films. So I edited to this order, placing the names of Sermon, Campbell Scott, Smith, Scott Haze, Dichen Lachman and Pineda on the row list while leaving the rest in the addionally list, but InfiniteNexus reverted that edit. See what you think? BattleshipMan (talk) 01:30, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Keeping it on since it's still ongoing. BattleshipMan (talk) 01:31, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Claims of “bias” in Erotic thrillerEdit

A user claimed that there is bias in the section Decline in popularity in an article about the erotic thriller film genre. The user has not been able to show how/why it is biased or explain what viewpoints are not being represented. That section exists to merely explain why the erotic thriller film is not as popular as it used to be in the heyday of box office hits such as Fatal Attraction, Basic Instinct, Disclosure (1994 film), etc. It also cites reliable sources that give reasonable reasons for the genre’s decline. I know I should discuss this on the article talk page, but the discussion may devolve into circular logic like arguments about “what counts as feminism” or something that has nothing to do with the actual matter at hand, which is that the erotic thriller genre peaked in the 1980s and early 1990s, and though it is still talked about today it is not as profitable or ubiquitous as it once was. Spectrallights (talk) 12:57, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Featured Article Save Award for Diary of a CamperEdit

There is a Featured Article Save Award nomination at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review/Diary of a Camper/archive1. Please join the discussion to recognize and celebrate editors who helped assure this article would retain its featured status. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:31, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Cannes Film FestivalEdit

I created A Nymphoid Barbarian in Dinosaur Hell and multiple reliable sources such as this one verify that the film showed at the 1990 Cannes Film Festival. The article about the film festival mentions films that were nominated for awards, but I don't see the film mentioned there. Was I wrong to think that all films at the Cannes Film Festival are up for awards? SL93 (talk) 00:54, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

The article lists films that were selected to screen at the festival, not necessarily in a competition section. I find it extremely unlikely that a low-budget Troma film was selected into Cannes, the most prestigious festival that prides itself on snobbery. I bet it was simply screened for prospective distributors at the Marché du Film and producers/journalists called it a premiere. The context in the WaPo article you linked supports this—the surrounding paragraphs are all about distributors, and I can't even confirm Carmen on Ice ever screened in theaters, let alone at Cannes, or what We Cannot Live Like That Any Longer or The Killer are. Nardog (talk) 01:29, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Nardog Thank you. That makes sense. IMDb, which I know is unreliable, said that the film's premiere was at Cannes which added to my confusion. SL93 (talk) 01:38, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
I found multiple reliable sources that say other films from Troma were at Cannes. Too bad those sources are missing details. I found All the Love You Cannes! which was released by Troma about Cannes. The IMDb for that film says "Troma, an off the wall film studio, journeys to the Cannes Film Festival to sell their films to potential distributors" so you appear to be correct.SL93 (talk) 01:53, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

The "Presented by (name)" and "(name) Presents" film roleEdit

I have been reviewing Draft:Atanu Raychaudhuri and he has a number of films where he is credited as "Presented by: (name)" or "(name) presents..." but this is different from a television host or television presenter. Should these be renamed to Producer as this is more of a producer's role in the film, or just left as Presenter and explained with some notes? Any suggestions? It's kind of like: "A Spike Lee joint" Also, how should he or others be listed in infobox film? AngusW🐶🐶F (barksniff) 16:10, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Films by countryEdit

Hi. Just a heads-up that following this discussion a WP:BOTREQ was created to remove all the parent country categories (example). Get ready for your watchlists to creak! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 17:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Box office admissions for animated filmsEdit

Can we have a separate article about box office admissions of animated films? NextEditor123 (talk) 18:40, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

It should be noted that this is something that is currently being discussed at Talk:List of animated films by box office admissions#WP:CONTENTFORK. As always, parallel discussions on the same subject in different places should be avoided. TompaDompa (talk) 19:50, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

I think that this dispute should be included in this talk page as it allows to discuss with others rather than by ourselves. Otherwise, we will never solve this dispute. NextEditor123 (talk) 20:15, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

WP:CONTENTDISPUTE for List of animated films by box office admissions. NextEditor123 (talk) 20:27, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

My point was that leaving a link to the ongoing discussion, as I did, is more appropriate than raising the same issues here and starting a new discussion in addition to the existing one. TompaDompa (talk) 20:35, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
If the dispute is specific to one particular article then the discussion should be held at that article. Betty Logan (talk) 01:57, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Is the TCM Movie Database gone?!Edit

As per the header – is the TCM Movie Database gone?

A Google search only turns up the base TCM.com site. I think the database may be gone.

If so, the templates {{TCMDb name}} and {{TCMDb title}} need to go. --IJBall (contribstalk) 23:15, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Working for me. It looks like it's blocked in Europe as complying with GDPR can be expensive, though. Nardog (talk) 23:38, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Link, then? There is no link to be found on the general TCM.com site. --IJBall (contribstalk) 00:35, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
All links in the documentation for both templates. Nardog (talk) 01:50, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/ redirects to https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/#overview which produces a 404 error. It looks to me like the front-end of the database is gone. I see no links to it from the TCM.com homepage either. While the Hitchcock link currently still works, I would bet it is only a matter of time before individual links in the database stop working too. I think it is definitely looking like the TCM Movie Database is going the same way that the former New York Times movie database did. WP:FILM should start preparing for deprecation here. --IJBall (contribstalk) 02:33, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
No you can still navigate to TCMDb from TCM.com, through any entry under "Watch TCM", which has a link to TCMDb next to "see full cast & crew at TCMDb". Database entries also show up in the site-wide search. I see no sign of it going away. Nardog (talk) 02:40, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
It looks like the entries are available if you go to https://www.tcm.com/watchtcm/films?icid=mainnav4-watch-movies and click on "more info", then the database itself can still be found if you click on "see full cast & crew at TCMDb" (like from this page to give an example). So the database appears to still be there, its just harder to find, which is a little annoying. Historyday01 (talk) 12:58, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
I question how "useful" a database without a proper front-end really is, and whether we should be relying on a database without a proper front-end... But I think the more relevant point I am making is that this is likely a sign that this database is going to go away sooner rather than later. WP:FILM needs to prepare for this eventuality. --IJBall (contribstalk) --IJBall (contribstalk) 15:17, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Again, it takes only two clicks to get from the TCM homepage to TCMDb and it's still included in site searches. It's not going away. Nardog (talk) 00:56, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
And, again, a database without a proper front-end is actually mostly useless, esp. to the general public. I really wonder what value Wikipedia is getting by still using it. But I suspect that ultimately it is going away anyway. We shall see. --IJBall (contribstalk) 01:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Updating needed?Edit

I am not around much anymore so I missed this discussion Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Archive 79#Should "films by country" categories remain all-inclusive?. First off I agree with its conclusion. I've noticed that removal of the category has begun and congrats to the enterprising editors doing the work. My suggestion/question is shouldn't there be updates to the parts of the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film that this consensus has impacted? Especially Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film#Categories and Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Categorization. I think it will help both veteran and new editors to have things spelled out. If I'm wrong than no worries. Regards to all. MarnetteD|Talk 00:54, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, those places should probably be updated to reflect this change. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:01, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Was wondering this myself. Οἶδα (talk) 21:57, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
I have already recategorized a lot of articles. Please stop me if I'm going too fast. Scorpions13256 (talk) 01:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
I'm curious, isn't there a bot available to perform this task (basically removing everything from Category:American films)? Seems that would make the process much easier. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:47, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
That's not the only category involved here...but it would be a start. DonIago (talk) 04:56, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
I am okay with your work removing the cats Scorpions13256 The discussion about their removal seems pretty clear to me. Qwerfjkl (bot) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is removing them as well. I note that its edit summary does include a link to the archived discussion and you mighty consider adding it to yours Scorpions13256. I am also okay with any changes to the MoS sections that any of you want to make. MarnetteD|Talk 14:03, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Dejavu 2022Edit

The film is basically called Deja Vu, I am not sure, but the current title seems wrong and it needs moving to a more correct title? Govvy (talk) 15:19, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Haven't you asked this before.... :D I've moved it to Dejavu (2022 film), as there's quite a few films with a similar title. The sources I can find have it as Dejavu and not Deja Vu. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:32, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
heh, Deja Vu over Deja Vu! but ye, IMDB have Deja Vu, but they don't always have those right. Govvy (talk) 18:49, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Direct-to-videoEdit

Do films count as "direct-to-video" if they were released on VOD and in theaters on the same day? A person in Georgia (talk) 21:53, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

No. That would be "day-and-date". Nardog (talk) 22:19, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Is this important enough to mention or include in an actor's filmography list? A person in Georgia (talk) 22:24, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
I think this was discussed previously and the answer was no. It used to be that noting "direct-to-video" made sense because it was basically a separate medium, but these days it is common for theatrical-quality movies to be released straight-to-streaming or day-and-date and noting as such doesn't tell a reader anything about the type of film or role. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:28, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
So would it be relevant to note on this article? A person in Georgia (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Relevant or not, "direct-to-video" is simply untrue for movies released in theaters. Nardog (talk) 10:07, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
As Nardog mentioned, the use there is incorrect. White Elephant which was released in a theater and AMC+ is not a direct to video. Neither is AMC+ alone. I'd also argue (and this is my personal opinion) that the notes section is itself really unnecessary. Gonnym (talk) 10:21, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Last Jedi audience reception revisitedEdit

A new discussion about user-generated scores is underway. Please weigh in at Talk:Star Wars: The Last Jedi#User Generated Content. Thank you. --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:45, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Morbius (film)Edit

There is a discussion at Talk:Morbius (film)#Paul Tassi on whether Forbes contributor pieces can be used as reviews despite being an unreliable self-published source per WP:FORBESCON. Please add your thoughts there so we can reach a consensus. Thanks. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:09, 30 June 2022 (UTC)