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Revoking NPR

Thanks; I think it was needed, I didn't entirely feel comfortable doing it myself. I realized later that there was yet another article I'd found issues with that I didn't post on-wiki, and consequently didn't mention to you; now mentioned here. Uncomfortably similar to what Praxidicae found. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:18, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. It's not something I like doing, but I think in this case both autopatrolled and NPR had to go. – Joe (talk) 18:23, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Concern over an autopatrolled permission

There is a comment within Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Loyse de Pury you may be interested in seeing. ☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 23:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. – Joe (talk) 08:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

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You were right about Qautro. Perhaps surprisingly, the master was not stale. I G5ed a couple of articles, can I leave you to perform any further clear-up that's needed, I've got to run. Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 14:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah sure, thanks for the check. – Joe (talk) 14:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Hey Joe, just wanted to thank you for all the great maintenance work you do at NPP. We're really lucky to have you around. Big thanks!

– DreamRimmer (talk) 15:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much! – Joe (talk) 17:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Ldm1954

Hi Joe,

Hope you're well. Ldm1954's recent spree of draftifications after becoming a reviewer is a bit odd, reflecting their limited experience with the guidelines. They use a strict interpretation of WP:NPROF, which is okay, but they should aim for RfC and change the guidelines rather than doing it this way.

The article on Draft:Steven Detweiler was a perfectly valid one, but they chose to draftify it. Draft:Shyam Gollakota is another article they draftified, akin to soft deletion, considering this article had been up for more than 3 months and is a direct violation of WP:ATD-I (i.e. discussion you closed).

I should also point out that they are also an AfC reviewer and they are similarly declining valid academics and researcers' drafts. Can you please revert these spree moves and give them some specific advice? Thanks. 109.180.245.108 (talk) 21:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I'll take a look, thanks. – Joe (talk) 10:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

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Question about dispute resolution venues

Hi, I am unsure if this is the correct place for this (and admittedly I'm mostly here since I have not interacted with any other administrator for a while), but there is a somewhat difficult situation unfolding over at Talk:Budapest#Climate. I do not think I can give you a full explanation of the issue -- there's no way I can explain all 70 comments in a talk page message, though I'd be very grateful if you could take a look at it if you have time.

I am unsure as to where to carry this dispute. The two other editors in this dispute have violated WP:QUO by insisting on the new version without the discussion ending, cast aspersions/did not WP:AGF on multiple occasions, while also creating WP:LISTEN-related problems. I don't know if this is severe enough for a report to ANI, but I am also unsure of what other venue is appropriate for this. I have alerted the Weather WikiProject and Talk:Köppen climate classification to no avail, as well. Could you please take a look?

Thank you, Uness232 (talk) 16:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Uness232. That's an interesting discussion. My read, with the large caveat that I don't know much about the topic at all, is that it's probably not one that is going to be solved through the user-conduct route with ANI etc. You're quite right that "humid subtropical" is the status quo version and that it really ought to have remained until a consensus develops, but in general I see three editors arguing in good faith over a genuinely tricky issue. Or issues, actually, there are at least two that I can see:

1. Is deriving the a Köppen classification from weather summaries a routine calculation? On the one hand, as you've argued, the calculation itself is trivial. On the other, there seems to be some expertise involved in deciding which variant of the Köppen system to use, deciding whether to use local or regional weather data, how to account for climate change, and so on, which might tip it into WP:NOR territory.
2. How do reliable sources describe the climate of Budapest? Or failing that, of Central Hungary, or of Hungary as a whole?

It might be worth having an RfC on #1, just to clarify things, but I think focusing on #2 would be your quickest route out of this particular dispute. Something I've often noticed is that if sources and/or editors disagree about something, the way to resolve the dispute is to describe the disagreement in the article itself. So in this case, it might be wording along the lines of Central Hungary has a [W] climate, but in recent years the climate of Budapest has shifted to Köppen [X], which is described as [Y] or [Z], that everyone can agree on?

By the way, this is sort of the opposite to my take on the Turkish placename dispute: I think you're right about the guidelines being contradictory there, but I don't think that particular editor was applying them in good faith anyway, so that's why I took it to ANI. I didn't mean to ignore or dismiss your point. – Joe (talk) 10:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

I see. Thank you for your thoughts on this. While I suppose I have a different view of their conduct -- perhaps due to the unyielding and stubborn way of argumentation, i.e. calling Köppen "fringe", accusing me of "POV-pushing" (I do not even know what POV I would be pushing in terms of climate classification), arguing with repetitive assertions rather than responses to questions -- I understand that a report to ANI would be misguided.

Re. your other suggestions, I would like to offer some clarification; not as "rebuttals" or anything like that; but rather because I think the issue is even more tricky than these solutions would allow:

For the former issue, I am willing to discuss, in a more general venue, the correct way to use Köppen. I do think that our current way (using the weatherbox) would be WP:CALC not only due to the high level of standardization that Köppen has,¹ but also due to the fact that I'd say we have no choice (for data insufficiency/resolution reasons), however I am willing to listen to opposing arguments. I am not willing to accept Budapest as the singular case where this matters, though. The world is full of similar cases, where climate change or an urban heat island has changed the Köppen type of a city (Zonguldak, Lyon, New York City, and many more) and for all of them we take climate change into account and use weatherboxes, not maps. This was why I repeatedly asked these conversations to be moved to Köppen climate classification, or somewhere similar; because Budapest is far from the only example of this, yet it seems like Budapest not being called humid subtropical is all that is being cared about. I would assume that to be nearly tantamount to WP:IJDLI unless generalized to other cases.

For the latter issue, this is a constant and intractable problem of climate classification on Wikipedia. Currently, all -- and I mean all -- climate articles on this encyclopedia are based on Köppen. Humid subtropical climate speaks of Cfa in Köppen, Oceanic climate speaks of Cfb in Köppen, with very rare exceptions. I had actually challenged this status quo about 6 months ago, but the community does not seem to be for changes to this Köppen-centric way of climate classification on Wikipedia.

The problem, then, is that emic/local classifications often have little overlap with Köppen, so somewhere that would be one class by a local classification could be a completely different one by Köppen. This would cause serious problems if we were to include local classifications with no systematization.

For example:

• Portland, Oregon is generally described as an oceanic climate in local literature, but Köppen describes it as Mediterranean, because according to Köppen, oceanic climates can not have a dry summer.
• The oceanic climate article exclusively uses the Köppen criteria, which would exclude climates like Portland from the climate page.
• This would cause a glaring discrepancy; the climate and the city article would conflict with each other. Portland would have an oceanic climate, a climate zone which should, by its only given definition, exclude Portland.

Obviously we can diversify both types of pages, but 'one but not the other' seems unrealistic and highly problematic. And again, we arrive at the same problem; these editors seem to argue, highly persistently and stubbornly, for this change to be made only for Budapest, and ignore (not even reject, simply ignore) my attempts to carry the conversation somewhere more reasonable (so that problems on broad/local consensus are resolved). This is why I referred to user conduct.

About the placename dispute; the reason I wrote that comment over at ANI was because Omnibenevolence claimed that I had 'a point' that you 'failed to answer', which deeply bothered me. I suppose I then sneaked my thoughts by the end; but I did not mean to say that you ignored my point, simply that you took a different approach, which is completely fine.

¹ While there are changeable rules in one or two places, we can and do note them when they matter, i.e in Boston. Conversely, Budapest is Cfa no matter which variant of Köppen we use. Uness232 (talk) 14:58, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Uness232, Joe, I would like clarify the thing

I did not say Köppen is fringe, morover Köppen does not use those terms. I said only that Hungary would be "subtropical" country I found that term is fringe, by good faith, as I am a local Hungarian person I never ever heard about this (JSoos also a Hungarian user), and no any Hungarians know about this. Just I am looking out my window and I see a big snow... in that allegedly "subtropical" country. I also provided many Köppen maps which does not support that claim. Morover I see Hungary and even Budapest has more Köppen color in the maps, which means even a city has more climate. For example Buda-Pest (united city) is big, Buda has mountains, Pest is flat, Buda is always more cold than Pest, they have very different climate within the same united city, that is my personal experience, and all Budapest citizens know that. The provided Hungarian wiki writes also different and provide a complex situation of the country, and we learn that our climate is continental in general according to our knowledge. I contacted with the Hungarian meteorolgy service and they cannot confirm that "subtropical" thing. Köppen does not use those terms, Uness232 also mentioned that "subtropical" term was accepted by some users in the past for wikipedia, that is why need to follow that, I rather think we need follow academic sources regarding the exact definiton of the climate of a country instead of voting and rendering terms to temparetures.

In the Koppen maps I can see many areas in Hungary even in Budapest as Dfa Dfb Cfa Cfb patches, so the climate map is not unified, so I do not understand why it needs cherry pick only one and emphasize this that the cherry picked one would be true for the whole area. Morover Koppen does not use that term for these codes https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-023-02549-6/tables/1

I suppose in Hungary the local Hungarians know better the climate than others who are not living there, I also do not think that it deserve ANI because we the Hungarian local people does not know or does not understand that our country would be "subtropical"... I also do not understand why we need use those terms (what I found fringe) and why not enough just use the official Köppen numbers. Do you think all Hungarian users are wrong or deserve ANI just because they does not understand this?

Uness232 mentioned "status quo version", so I rolled back the page manually to discover when happened that change, and I see recently the climate was not that

Another Hungarian user reverted: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Budapest&diff=prev&oldid=931162653

IP edit changed to that "subtropical" "status quo version":

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Budapest&diff=next&oldid=975010444 OrionNimrod (talk) 11:54, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

I do not want the dispute to spill over here, to the talk page of an uninvolved admin. I had already made my response to Joe Roe too long and too content-related; that was my mistake. Sorry. Uness232 (talk) 13:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Another long term Hungarian user who is not involved has the same opinion https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Borsoka&diff=prev&oldid=1194443375 What is your plan? Thinking to report 10 million Hungarians in Hungary who do not understand why their own country would be "subtropical"? OrionNimrod (talk) 14:51, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

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@Kazamzam: I only split this article off from archaeology. You should notify the original author, Schifty8. – Joe (talk) 12:31, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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48 hour block of Tewdar by Sandstein

Thanks for closing this. I agree that everything had been said and the discussion had become unproductive. Would you please record in your closing statement that one of the outcomes of this XRV was to make a corrective entry in Tewdar's block log? I hope to make this correction normal when we overturn a block.—S Marshall T/C 09:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Gladly, thanks for pointing it out. – Joe (talk) 09:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Autopatrolled

Good wishes @Joe Roe and safe talking. I just wanted to clarify an issue with your decline of my request for Autopatrolled. Not being blameful but just a pure inquiry. Your statement mentioned "prelude" and it got me, "So, it's impossible.for me to be Autopatrolled because of one of my article being deleted via AFD. I consider you may see other articles; I don't believe one could hold me from Autopatrolled. Just a real time enquiry (ping if any case: I want to learn more also) All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 11:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Pages created by autopatrolled users don't receive the scrutiny that normal pages do so there's a very high bar when admins are evaluating such requests. It's incredibly reasonable for an admin to decline granting autopatrolled because the user in question has had article(s) deleted. I will note that autopatrolled isn't like other permissions in that it doesn't really have any bearing on what you can do (apart from quicker search engine indexing). Its main purpose is to reduce the backlog of pages that need to be reviewed. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 12:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Exactly, it's a high bar. We're basically looking for 100% of recent articles not being deleted and close to 100% being free of anything covered by a maintenance tag. The AfD doesn't mean you'll never be eligible for autopatrolled, just not for a while; six months to a year, though there's no hard rule. – Joe (talk) 12:27, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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New Page Review queue January to March 2024

Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.

Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.

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Closing the Thinker78 ANI

Hi, Joe. Thanks for closing the Thinker78 ANI. I've been watching it, worrying a little that someone might close it before the 24 hours were up, but of course you didn't do that. I was wondering, though: in your close, you mention the possibility of waiting 72 hours. I didn't know that was even a thing; I thought the principle was to wait 24 hours before enforcing a CBAN, both to accommodate all the timezones and out of respect for the individual being banned. Is the idea of waiting 72 hours mentioned anywhere? If so, surely it's more honoured in the breach than the observance?

By the way, also, I believe you're supposed to log the ban. This would be the place. Bishonen | tålk 13:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC).

(talk page stalker) Per this RFC from 2020. ——Serial Number 54129 13:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Minimum times mentioned at WP:CBAN, which also seems to suggest that full site bans don't require logging. It wouldn't hurt. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Fortuna. Like Hamlet, I still don't think it's usually what actually happens, though. And I'm looking at the RFC, noting the arguments, and the users urging them... hmmm. Yeah, that's what I think: hmmm. Firefangledfeathers, I do see it's suggested site bans don't require logging. How strange. I would definitely log this one, if it was me. It's not like it's a horrible scarlet letter on the user; the editing restrictions page is pretty obscure. Something for the cognoscenti only. Bishonen | tålk 14:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC).

They were the days! :) _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 14:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

O Fortuna, velut luna! Statu variabilis! Bishonen | tålk 23:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC).

The pocketings were frequent too  :) _Muffled ^Pocketed 11:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I noticed the early close and was going to point back to that policy too, since I've been whacked with a wet trout about it before, but I think this is a good use of WP:IAR. There was obviously only going to be more hard words for the editor that they probably wouldn't hear anyway. As for logging: I wouldn't bother personally, EDR ought to be for editors with restrictions from certain things, not for editors who can't edit at all. It would be a very long page otherwise, and we have Category:Banned Wikipedia users. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't even think it's IAR because WP:CBAN says "must be kept open for 72 hours except in cases where there is limited opposition and the outcome is obvious after 24 hours" and this seems to fall squarely into that exception. Levivich (talk) 16:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I think the editor is much better off banned, given what they've said about their issues and the behavior they've shown which was a bit disturbing. Doug Weller talk 16:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

As Levivich says, I was following the instructions from WP:CBAN: for site bans, the discussion must be kept open for 72 hours except in cases where there is limited opposition and the outcome is obvious after 24 hours. Feel free to log it somewhere; I don't really see the point. – Joe (talk) 07:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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