User talk:Joe Roe/Archives/2012

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If you look at his edits, he's adding ASPRO chronology dating to articles which I don't see as a good idea. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ancient Near East#ASPRO chronology. Dougweller (talk) 22:18, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

I hadn't realised he'd changed so many. Dougweller (talk) 22:22, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry, I've travelled to the future and he gets bored and goes away soon enough. joe•roe^t•c 22:37, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Lol. I'd like your take on an issue I have with Ica stones which I've described on the talk page and WP:RSN. Dougweller (talk) 09:50, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I just realised I never actually said anything about this, although I did give it quite a bit of thought... it's a tricky one. Your point at RSN that Skepdic was being misused was bang on of course, but what you really need to back that up solidly is a better source that contradicts it, which apparently is not available. I started to rewrite the article a couple of times to be more categorical about them being a hoax, but didn't get very far relying on skepdic alone. This is one of the main reasons I struggle to get involved in this kind of thing - ultimately what can you do with only one or two good sources and another editor (or editors) determined to push a fringe POV? I wondered when you think it's better to just send articles on fringe topics to AfD? joe•roe^t•c 18:24, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jim McKelvey

I made the changes you requested and added references. I'm not sure what to do now?? Is my article still under review? Osumggrad (talk) 10:54, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

No, it's not currently under review. If you want it to be you'll have to resubmit it: click here and press "save". joe•roe^t•c 18:34, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I've done that. Are you the reviewer or does that go to someone else?--Osumggrad (talk) 13:37, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Anyone who volunteers at AfC can take a look at it, which is nice because it means you usually get a second opinion. joe•roe^t•c 11:05, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

AFRICAN LEADER Media Group

Dear Reviewer,

Please explain in simple terms what I need to do to get this article published. I have made the recommended changes but still article is not published. Please advise.

Thank you.

Oheneba2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oheneba2 (talk • contribs) 02:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

There are two main problems with the article as it stands:

1. It reads like an advertisement and not an encyclopaedia article. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia; our articles should be concise, neutral summaries of information in secondary, reliable sources. So things like "The company's Strategic Vision is to make the United States stronger and more prosperous, and the ultimate goal is to make the world a better place for all mankind" are problematic – this is the line the company puts out to make it look good, not an accurate, neutral description of what the company does. It's not just wording that's a problem but what information you choose to include and how it is organised. At the moment at least the half the article is an essay-like introduction to "the U.S African market" when you should really just be sticking to the facts about the company the article is about (linking to other articles where you want to provide detailed background information). Spending too much time talking about "the booming U.S African market" and what "Fortune 500 companies" are doing gives the impression that you're trying to make the company sound important by association with these related subjects, not just providing context.
2. You don't demonstrate that 'AFRICAN LEADER Media Group' is a notable company, which is done by citing reliable sources that talk about it in depth. We don't include everything in Wikipedia indiscriminately, and it's especially important to show that commercial entities are already significant and you're not just writing to publicise them. At the moment you only have sources to back up factual claims (which is fine, but not enough) and none, as far as I can see, that specifically mention the company the article is about.

If you think you can address these issues then you can resubmit the article for review and somebody else will check it over. joe•roe^t•c 12:11, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Terry Gene Bollea

Hiya, Terry Gene Bollea became Hulk Hogan. I cannot see that he was ever "Terry Hogan". My last two references refer to our Terry as "Terence Hogan" so the "lucky Tel" Hogan/Terence Hogan page should really be "Terry Hogan" without mentioning Hulk. Tom Pippens (talk) 12:35, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

PS One further aspect of my discomfort with a "lucky Tel" Hogan title is that it is effectively a primary source - how widely was it used outside his tight circle. He was sentenced as Terence Hogan because that was his name.

PS sorry about the other BRD stuff Tom Pippens (talk) 12:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Your review at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/EGAUMSWORLD

EGAUMSWORLD.COM

EGAUMSWORLD IS A WEBSITE CREATED BY CHAUNCEY COOK WHO IS A WORKER BEE AT A FORTUNE 500 COMPANY. ACCORDING TO SOURCES CLOSE TO CHAUNCEY COOK HE USES THE SITE TO ATTRACT DONATIONS FOR HIS FUTURE ENDEAVOR FOR A COLLEGE EDUCATION. ACCORDING TO A FACE TO FACE INTERVIEW WITH CHAUNCEY HE PICKED OUT THE NAME EGAUMSWORLD FOR HIS SITE FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THE G IS CLOSE TO THE B ON THE KEYBOARD. HE HOPES PEOPLE WILL ACCIDENTALLY CLICK ON THE G INSTEAD OF THE B AND STUMBLE ONTO HIS SITE. IN ADDITION HE HOPES THEY WILL SEE HIS PLEA FOR MONEY AND FEEL INCLINED TO DONATE. HE IS VERY IMPORTANT LOCAL CELEBRITY BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN ON LOCAL CHANNEL 12 NEWS REGARDING ANTHEM COLLEGE THAT WAS NOT PROVIDING EXCELLENT EDUCATION, AND WAS FORCED BY THE POST SECONDARY BOARD OF EDUCATION TO RETURN FUNDS TO THE CHAUNCEY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.8.151 (talk) 21:14, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Your review at Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Element 9 (music)

This is more trouble than it's worth. Clearly, there's a bias against independent artists & labels amongst Wikipedia editors. The article contains no conjecture or self-promotional statements. This article deserves a place on Wikipedia because there are many in the music community with interest in the albums released by Element 9 and they should be not have to leave Wikipedia in order to find out more about the label. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Element9hiphop (talk • contribs) 21:26, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Bronisław Baczko

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Thanks for the lactose intolerance fix

You were right, the only edit I intended was fixing the weasel words. I'm glad there are other eyes that watch to catch mistakes like this. Thanks. 24.79.82.67 (talk) 22:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you to Joe May 22/12

Dear Joe, Thanks for your comments. I understand your points related to conflict of interest and accurate referencing of sources. I did not understand, until you told me, that the sourcing had to relate directly to the subject of the article; rather, I thought of it as a link to more information in general.

I have a question: What do I do, for example, to provide a source about an honour like "Honorary Texan" when there is no secondary source? Should I just remove it altogether?

I will look for reliable sources and resubmit. Many thanks for your help.

M. Buttignol 23:53, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Simply put, you should source anything to where you yourself found it out. That is what it indicates: the source of the information. It's OK to use primary sources to verify simple facts (see WP:PSTS). But the majority of the article should be based on reliable secondary sources. joe•roe^t•c 09:55, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reviewing Battle of Turtle Gut Inlet. I've nominated it for DYK as you suggested. Thanks again. Zeete (talk) 22:48, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks so much Joe Roe for adding a lot of good archeological information to the Shell jewelry article. Invertzoo (talk) 13:04, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. There's a lot to say - I didn't even get to my period (the European Neolithic and its ubiquitous Spondylus ornaments). It was a good idea to ask Wikiproject Archaeology for collaboration. We tend to focus quite narrowly on "archaeology articles" but I think there's a lot of work to be done adding and improving archaeological background information on less directly related pages. joe•roe^t•c 14:47, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Dunhuang Project event

Hi Joe,

Great to hear you're interested in coming along. Are you thinking of attending all three days, or just one? Andrew Gray (talk) 12:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Not all three, but those are the days I could come. I was going to see how the schedule shaped up before deciding, if that's OK.

One thing: I don't have a laptop. Is that going to be a problem? joe•roe^t•c 14:03, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

No, that's certainly fine - I'll be in touch again closer to the date to sort out passes etc. Regarding laptops, I can probably arrange to borrow one for you. Andrew Gray (talk) 14:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello again!

I'm just doing some of the advanced work for next week's event - have you decided which day you might like to come over? If you can let me know a couple of days in advance I can arrange a security pass. (Note that you won't need to register for a readers pass) I've checked and we will definitely have a laptop available, though on Wednesday afternoon we'll also have a largish student group in so there may not be a spare computer then.

One of the other things we're looking at is images. The IDP has a very large collection of manuscript and artefact images, as well as a lot of site photographs, historic material from expeditions, etc. We're hoping to upload a lot of this during the week, but if there's anything specific you'd like to request, please let me know and we'll bump it up the list.

Thanks, and looking forward to seeing you next week! Andrew Gray (talk) 18:51, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

My schedule has reversed itself: I could only come Friday afternoon now. It doesn't really seem worth it for such a short time at the end of the week. Sorry! joe•roe^t•c 17:46, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

No worries! If you do find yourself with the time after all (or you decide you'd like to come on Friday regardless), just let me know. Andrew Gray (talk) 22:16, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

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improved article

Hi Joe Roe, I now improved my second article about the musician Stefan Obermaier, but I am not sure if I put it correct for approval... I already asked at the help desc, this is now few days ago, and there is still no movement with the article... can you help me? Have I done it right this time? The first time it was declined, because I haven't found enough secondary resources about the musician in the internet, (just in paper form -where I have my informations from), now the artist had new releases and I found on the internet reliable recourses (few in German, few in English). Can you please take a look at it? Thanks, best, Kirschblume (talk) 11:18, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

It usually takes more than a few days for submissions to get reviewed; there's a massive backlog. But your article looks good now and I've accepted it.

For future reference, paper sources are just as good as online ones. You should cite the place you got the information from, regardless of the medium. joe•roe^t•c 12:28, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! About the paper sources stuff, probably I can improve so the article and my feature ones! -But how does that function, I wright f.e. "from magazine Beat, site 33, December edition, 2012"? And how do I link the English site to the German one? Thanks, best! Kirschblume (talk) 13:11, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Joe Roe, forget my last question with the languages, I got it! best, Kirschblume (talk) 13:24, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello joe;

You edited my article an decline it awhile back and since then I have made necessary changes to the article. Only problem, is for some reason, Wikipedia is not allowing me o resubmit it for review. Is there something I am doing wrong?

Speak soon!

Charmin White — Preceding unsigned comment added by White.charmin (talk • contribs) 18:21, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Nectresse Decline

Hello joe;

You edited my article an decline it awhile back and since then I have made necessary changes to the article. Only problem, is for some reason, Wikipedia is not allowing me o resubmit it for review. Is there something I am doing wrong?

Speak soon!

Charmin White

Oh here's my link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Nectresse — Preceding unsigned comment added by White.charmin (talk • contribs) 18:22, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it's now in the review queue. Someone should get to it shortly. joe•roe^t•c 20:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

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Indigenous peoples

You are being contacted because you participated in this RfC in February about the scope of the article on Indigenous peoples. The discussion has now been revived at Talk:Indigenous_peoples#Scope_of_article.2C_Definitions.2C_etc and your input would be appreciated. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 12:41, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm reluctantly writing up a short reply to Crock81's wall of text as we speak, since I was mentioned by name. Reluctantly because while I've been keeping an eye on the discussion I'm utterly confused by his position and where to start tackling it.

Kudos on keeping your cool and bringing some semblance of direction to the discussion, by the way. joe•roe^t•c 12:47, 18 December 2012 (UTC)