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Dab cleanups

Hi, Eekerz. Please don't mark cleanups of dab pages as minor edits; minor edits are for things that are not possibly controversial (WP:MINOR). I reverted your change for the "The Take" disambiguation -- the new additions were "partial title matches", and not things ambiguous with "take". Cheers! -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:52, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

January 2010

Please stop. If you continue to move pages to bad titles contrary to naming conventions or consensus, as you did to The Take, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

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Bill Cosby

Sorry for the confusion. At the time I read it, the article did not say his death was a hoax. Permission to remove your comment on my talk page? I don't want to be labeled as a vandal. Saumoarush (talk) 08:59, 6 February 2010 (UTC)Saumoaurush

Eh, why not keep it as a reminder to always site a reliable source (especially about something as major as a death)? :P -Eekerz (talk) 09:01, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Bill Cosby. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. Binksternet (talk) 10:24, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Blocked: Edit warring at Bill Cosby

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for your disruption caused by edit warring and violation of the three-revert rule at Bill Cosby. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. PeterSymonds (talk) 12:13, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Eekerz (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I didn't violate the 3-revert rule since I didn't revert more than 3 times. Also, you didn't block User:Binksternet as well (despite he reverting 3 times too) so that's hardly fair to only block me...

Decline reason:

Please re-read WP:EW, as you do not need to pass WP:3RR to be blocked. As noted, the other editor is exempt from block as they were reverting information contrary to WP:BLP. Please focus on your editing behaviour, and not that of others. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:48, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

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• Your edits also contravened the biographies of living persons policy, by introducing controversial material about the subject based on an unreliable source. As such, the other editor was exempt from the three-revert rule. PeterSymonds (talk) 12:27, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Category:Open world video games

I have removed the deletion tag you placed on Category:Open world video games, because you didn't create the nomination for deletion. If you still think it should be deleted, renamed, or merged, feel free to tag it and immediately create the nomination on that day's nomination page. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:31, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I never added a deletion tag to it but a merge tag, but whatever. -Eekerz (talk) 18:19, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Either way - I removed your tag because you didn't create the discussion page. If you still think it should be done, feel free to nominate it as I told you above. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:16, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Qbert edits

Rather than revert back and forth, we should discuss this.

Regarding the linking of jumping in Q*bert, I believe this is an example of overlinking. Such linking should be avoid per the WP:OVERLINK, which states: "Unless they are particularly relevant to the topic of the article, avoid linking terms whose meaning can be understood by most readers of the English Wikipedia, including plain English words, the names of major geographic features and locations, religions, languages, common professions, common units of measurement, and dates."

I admit jumping is a part of the gameplay, but I don't think it is the most important aspect like changing the color of the cubes or avoiding the enemies. For example, the characters could simply float from cube to cube instead of jumping. Regardless, the term jump is such a common, simple English word that most readers already understand. I also don't think the article provides extra information that applies the video game. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC))

While some enemies could float, Qbert (the player character and the name of the game itself) mostly jumped (except when landing on the moving thing that took him to the top). Just because a word is simple doesn't mean it's not encyclopedic and it wouldn't be interesting to investigate further when relevant to the topic... WP:OL, like most Wikipedia policy, is vague, obtuse, and subjective. -Eekerz (talk) 16:33, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid I wasn't clear with my example. I meant that the mode of movement from one cube to the other was arbitrary. The designers could have just as easily made Q*bert float instead of jump.

In regard to being relevant to the topic, I don't believe the term is relevant given the content on jumping. While some policies have subjective areas, WP:Linking is quite clear: "Links provide instant pathways to locations within and outside the project that are likely to increase our readers' understanding of the topic at hand." The content in jumping, while interesting, is a tangent from the content in Q*bert. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC))

Part of Qbert's appeal[1], frustration)[2], and challenge[3] is its jumping. (Will find more sources about its jumping later when I have more time if you're still not convinced.) I seriously doubt it would have been as popular as it was (and still is?) if Qbert just slid/strafed/walked/climbed the blocks... -Eekerz (talk) 22:19, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Ignoring the fact Old-Wizard and Digg don't satisfy WP:RS, stating that hopping made the game fun does not address the main point I'm trying to make:

"The article about jumping does not provide any additional information to the topic about the Q*bert video game."

Wikilinks are meant to provide extra information that is too detailed to include in the article. An English reader is familiar enough with the concept of jumping that they don't need any explanation. The article goes into details about the physics of actually jumping, which does not add to their understanding about the video game.

If the article covered how jumping works in a 2D graphical environment, then I wouldn't argue. However, that is not the case, nor should it be. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 22:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC))

Oh please. Not every link has to be that relevant to the article linked from in order to justify a link being established. While, yes, an article on video game jumping (or just video game moves in general--which, incidentally, was created years ago at action (gaming) but was aggressively targeted for deletion), until then, the general jumping article will have to suffice.

Category:Competitive video gaming techniques contains various jumping actions/moves that, combined with action point, actions per minute, combo (video gaming), finishing move, signature move, special attack, etc, could still make a viable article (or at least a list/category). -Eekerz (talk) 03:26, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Ignoring the fact that most of those articles lack proper sourcing... Actually no, jumping does not have to suffice. I hate to sound like a broken record, but just because a word can be linked, doesn't mean it should. Links should provide better context to the reader. While you disagree, the Wikipedia community has decided that overlinking should be avoided and made it a part of the encyclopedia's manual of style. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 04:08, 18 February 2010 (UTC))

Category:Crafting video games

Forgive me for saying this, but I think that this catagory is a case of WP:Overcategorization. It's interesting, but it's a trivial, or non-defining gameplay aspect. Marasmusine (talk) 10:24, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Crafting is a major gameplay element of many MMORPGs (which not all have) so I felt the need to distinguish it. I suppose it could be a list but then some might claim it's not worthy of that either... —Eekerz ^(t) 11:10, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Holy water

Hi, please discuss on talk page when 2 editors are against you and avoid the 3revert line as in WP:3RR. The refs you had are not Wiki-reliable references as in WP:RELY. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 11:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Thief wikia

Please be aware of the policy on external links when adding them to articles, in the case of the thief wikia it is disallowed per WP:ELNO: open wikis should be avoided except "those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors." This has also been discussed on the article talk page and there is a consensus not to link it. Rehevkor ✉ 13:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Most Amazing

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I speedy deleted Most Amazing as a partial title match list: no meaningful, substantive content. See also previous discussions on similar lists:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dusky
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• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of things described as pied
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Lurking
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• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of places beginning with Costa
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• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/On wheels

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Thanks. :) What's that for? —Eekerz ^(t) 05:41, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

File:St6-klingon blood.png license on blood squirt

File:St6-klingon blood.png's license says it's usable on Wikipedia--meaning any page. —Eekerz ^(t) 20:30, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

The licensing says "This image is a screenshot from a copyrighted film, ... It is believed that the use of a limited number of web-resolution screenshots for critical commentary and discussion of the film and its contentson the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. Read WP:FAIRUSE, which says: "It's used for a purpose that can't be fulfilled by free material." It is possible to photo a blood squirt. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 03:20, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

It's an example of a blood squirt in a major motion picture (and a fairly notable one too given CGI tech at the time). What's the big deal about using the image FOR CRITICAL COMMENTARY AND DISCUSSION OF THE FILM AND ITS CONTENTS on a page describing an effect used in the film? —Eekerz ^(t) 03:42, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

OK. Add it in the article, but also give a fair use rationale on the image page saying how is not replaceable. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 02:32, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Retain (disambiguation)

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Lunch and sources

You need to cite sources for contested material, such as material which has been lying around for years and years and obviously cannot be adequately attributed to reliable third party publications. Commenting out large swaths of text is equally undesirable and I suggest you read User:Uncle_G/On_sources_and_content#There_are_no_exceptions_to_everything. If you'd like to move it to the talk page for discussion feel free, but until sources can be found, this problematic material stays out of actual article space. JBsupreme (talk) ✄ ✄ ✄ 15:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Did you know

FYI, I have nominated divine countenance at DYK. Colonel Warden (talk) 09:00, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Divine countenance

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:03, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Neonatal perception

Please do not reinsert copyright violations. The anon took the content from here, someone's (or his/her) personal anti-abortion website. So, besides being a copyvio, it is also absolute fringe rubbish unusable as a source. Prolog (talk) 21:30, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

That article has sources too. What's the problem? —Eekerz ^(t) 00:21, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I hope reading WP:V, WP:RS, WP:MEDRS, WP:FRINGE and WP:NPOV will make you understand the problem. Prolog (talk) 03:33, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Again, the article has references from http://www.birthpsychology.com/lifebefore/ (about The Association of Prenatal and Perinatal Psychology & Health), Developmental Disabilities Research Reviews (cited in several Wikipedia articles), the Journal of Perinatal Medicine (cited in 3 Wikipedia articles), Journal of Women’s Health (cited in 2 Wikipedia articles), and others so, again, what's the problem? The sources are verifiable, medically reliable, not fringe theories, and of a neutral point-of-view. —Eekerz ^(t) 17:16, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Research, commentary and/or personal opinions on a medical topic posted on some religious/anti-abortion activist's personal blog are not in any way reliable. The writer of that "article" self-describes as a "Licensed and Ordained Minister by Destiny Network International. She is working on her MA in Christian Counseling. She is a woman who passionately peruses the heart of God. She speaks, teaches, and dances from a deep heart of devotion to GOD." Are you beginning to see the light? Prolog (talk) 20:23, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Regardless of that article's neutrality, its references are still, again, verifiable, medically reliable, not fringe theories, and of a neutral point of view. Are you getting it yet? —Eekerz ^(t) 21:20, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Some of them are and some of them are not. Do you have access to the reliable ones and plan to personally verify what they contain, or why on earth are you still hooked on that fringe blog? When unreliable source X makes claims about reliable source Y, X is still completely useless and Y might or might not be of interest to the encyclopedia. Prolog (talk) 21:44, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I've already given you links to 2 direct links to references used in the blog article, and 2 other sources are also used on Wikipedia so I assume they are verifiable, reliable, and credible too. I haven't verified all of the blog article's references but some others are to a dictionary and bible verses; others, as were used in neonatal perception, look legitimate--although page numbers are needed for the 1 book (Feldman) and training manual allegedly created by Peggy Hartshorn PhD (per [3] and [4], president--at least in 2008--of Heartbeat International). The point is, just because you may not agree with what the blog article says, you cannot dispute its verifiable, reliable, and credible references. —Eekerz ^(t) 23:09, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

"...given you..."? I'm not expanding the article. I have zero interest on anything written on this or the countless other anti-science fringe blogs written by some sort of extremists, besides preventing that crap from ever appearing on our articles. So what do the "2 direct links" say? Put up or shut up, as they say. Heartbeat International, by the way, is a Catholic anti-abortion organization. It is not a reliable source on neonatal perception, or any other medical topic. I, and other admins and long-time users, have a tendency to dismiss blog posts per WP:RS. If you are serious, please take this to WP:RSN. Prolog (talk) 01:01, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Follow the links for yourself. With the possible exception of the Heartbeat International reference, all of the other journal, book, and dictionary/bible verse references are credible and reliable. You're the one who has an issue with the blog article's references, which I am trying to tell you are legit. Before mindlessly denouncing all blog posts (which is not against WP:RS, incidentally), do some actual research to see if the references used in a blog post are legit. —Eekerz ^(t) 03:58, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I already agreed some of the references there are reliable sources. Where are you going with this? And again, I am not in the habit of wasting my time on anything written by someone on a blog with a fringe agenda. To me, the concept of using that kind of website as a source for any kind of information is thoroughly unencyclopedic. You are free to have different standards, but don't expect me to do the work. Prolog (talk) 13:33, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

But you're the one who has an issue with the blog, which I am trying to show you is legitimately sourced (again, with the possible exception of the Heartbeat International training manual reference--which, incidentally, isn't even referenced to in a non-neutral way, if you bother to actually read the blog post). Have you even actually read the blog post? If you get past the introduction and go to "The Beginning Stages of Life" up to before "Personal Reflection", you'll see it is quite neutral and heavily sourced with verifiable, reliable, credible sources (minus the possible exception of the Heartbeat International training manual which I haven't yet been able to find to verify it). —Eekerz ^(t) 22:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

No, I have not read it, as it is of no interest to me or this encyclopedia. Are you claiming that the references make the blog post a reliable source, or why are we still discussing this? Prolog (talk) 00:50, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Oi vey. I have already stated why all but 1 (questionable) reference listed in that blog post is verifiable, reliable, and credible. The information added to neonatal perception (which you removed) was sourced with those verifiable, reliable, and credible resources and not the blog itself. Hence, the deleted section should be restored. —Eekerz ^(t) 06:40, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I already asked this once and your response seemed ambiguous to me: Do you have access to these reliable sources and have personally verified the content? This editor's referencing is not to be trusted. The blogging preacher's referencing is not to be trusted. Action Life Inc Ottawa, by the way, is another clearly unreliable source there. Prolog (talk) 16:15, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Again (since you don't seem to read very carefully, let alone actually click on the links I have previously provided), I already gave you links to sources used in the blog article that I have specifically verified. And, again, like I previously told you, the rest of the sources are verifiable. As for Action Life, it's exact reference is just to a link of a reprint (since it's also on this website with a different title) of an article written by Paul Ranalli, MD.[5][6] The edit you give just adds a "THIS IS A LIE!" in the section header, so I'm not sure what "referencing" you're referring to. Instead, I believe you mean this edit, which is taken from the blog article which contains verifiable, reliable, and credible sources (again with the possible exception of the Heartbeat International training manual reference, which I have yet to find--beyond just its product catalog and in-use evidence on a few other websites--in order to verify). You can't dismiss a part of the "blogging preacher"'s article if that part is objective, verifiable, reliable, and credibly-sourced--which I have shown to you is. Hence, the part should remain in the Wikipedia article. —Eekerz ^(t) 21:31, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

By "specifically verified" I hope you mean that you personally checked that the sources back up all the claims that you want add to the article, and that there is no cherry-picking or any other undue treatment of the sources. So you are not at all relying on the referencing done by the minister? Is this the case? For example, which source verifies the highly dubious first sentence in the content you want to add ("Recent studies have confirmed that fetuses feel pain and experience emotional responses at least as early as 14 weeks, when amniocentesis is preformed")? You restored this claim to the lead section, while the body carries widely publicized and reliable studies with completely different results. Ranalli turns out to be an anti-abortion activist who seems to disagree with the scientific consensus, so we have again ran into partisan/fringe sources. Presenting his views as fact won't do and presenting them in any way at all would probably be undue weight. Prolog (talk) 22:51, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

(indent reset) The following 3 references are used for that statement:

• Gavin A.R., Chae D.H., Mustillo S., and. Kiefe C. I., 2009, Prepregnancy depressive mood and preterm birth in black and white women. Journal of Women’s Health 18 (6). 806-811. Mary Ann Liebert, Inc. Retrieved November 20, 2009 from academic search complete database.
• Kurjak, A., Carrera, J., McCullough, L., & Chervenak, F. (2007). Scientific and religious controversies about the beginning of human life: the relevance of the ethical concept of the fetus as a patient. Journal of Perinatal Medicine, 35(5), 376-383. Retrieved November 20, 2009 from academic search complete database.
• Morgan, M., Goldenberg, R., & Schulkin, J. (2008). Obstetrician-gynecologists' practices regarding preterm birth at the limit of viability. Journal of Maternal-Fetal & Neonatal Medicine, 21(2), 115-121. Retrieved November 20, 2009 from academic search complete database.

This reference is also used on viability (fetal) and preterm birth.

So far I cannot find that statement supported in the reference abstracts but, since I don't have access to the full articles, I cannot say for certain if the statement is not supported by the references. I contacted the blog author for the full reference. —Eekerz ^(t) 04:34, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

The blog author, Tammie Southerland, replied to my email:

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:58 AM, tammie southerland wrote:

I apologies, The references are not numbered correctly in the article that is in my online blog. As for copies of the Journal articles I retrieved them from the Liberty University data base. Since I am not enrolled in the summer term, therefore I do not have access to that data base at this time. If you will took at the original [she emailed me a PDF of the original research paper she wrote for a Counseling 502 - Human Growth and Development class at Liberty University] the references for that statement are as follows:

Chamberlin, D. (1998). Life before birth. Journal of Prenatal & Perinatal Psychology and Health 16 (3). Retrieved November 20, 2009 from http://birthpsychology.com/violence/chamberlain1.html,

Kurjak, A., Stanojević, M., Andonotopo, W., Scazzocchio-Duenas, E., Azumendi, G., & Carrera, J. (2005). Fetal Behavior assessed in all three trimesters of normal pregnancy by four-dimensional ultrasonography. Croatian Medical Journal, 46(5), 772-780. Retrieved November 20, 2009 from academic search complete database.

Ranalli P. (2005). A pain too awful to imagine. Action Life Inc Ottawa, Ontario Canada. Retrieved November 20, 2009 from www.actionforlife.org

To which I replied:

OK, well, before your blog article can be used in Wikipedia, its references will need to be fixed to accurately reflect the cited statements. And, again, try to include as specific links as possible and not just the main website. So, for Ranalli, the full URL is http://www.actionlife.org/content/view/251/147/ , Kurjak et al is http://www.cmj.hr/2005/46/5/16158470.htm , and Chamberlin is http://www.birthpsychology.com/lifebefore/ (not the one you give, which is "Birth and the Origins of Violence")--and, actually, the exact URL to where the claim is supported is on http://www.birthpsychology.com/lifebefore/fetalsense.html (but both references support the claim).

I could not find where the claim is supported in the Kurjak et al source (no result for "amn"--short for "amniocentesis" and the only mention of "14", in relation to weeks, is "The incidence of fetal movement patterns in the first trimester of pregnancy between 8-14 weeks of gestation is presented in Figure 6", which does not support your claim). The Ranalli reference does not mention "amniocentesis" but does mention "Pain signals are sent from the receptors back along nerves to the spinal cord and then up to the brain's pain relay station, the thalamus, a connection that is fully wired by 14 weeks", which can support part of your claim.

If you really want your article to be taken seriously you need to make sure the references are correct, specific, and use the same spelling (especially the author) and capitalization.

So, 2 of the 3 references support the claim, but the blog article's references need to be fixed first before it can be considered for use in Wikipedia--and even then I would probably only use the blog article's verified references, and not the blog article itself, given that the blog author does not seem to be careful enough in how she uses references. —Eekerz ^(t) 04:08, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

You now almost agree with me about the blog; I would add something like "will never ever be in any way acceptable as a source." The Chamberlain source is reliable but a) I'm not seeing how it supports the claim, b) it's from 1997 and c) its sources are even older. Ranalli's article, on the other hand, is published by an anti-abortion organization. Having an MD does not of course mean getting one's view documented in Wikipedia, and when writing for a non-medical non-neutral non-RS this is certainly the case. I also don't see how even this source would support the claim you wanted to restore, which you seemed to note in your e-mail. Also, please remove the minister's e-mail, name and e-mail address unless you have the permission to post this personal information. Prolog (talk) 07:25, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Both Chamberlain references (the more specific one on Birth Psychology--which is from a 2003 JOPPPAH article, according to the footnote at the bottom of the page) mention "amnioncentesis" and fetal pain at 14 weeks. Ranalli's article is not published by an anti-abortion organization, but is simply reprinted there (and at least 1 other source as I mentioned previously). He is a pro-life MD but I bet there are plenty of pro-choice MDs used as references on Wikipedia so the point is moot. Wikipedia allows viewpoints from both sides of an issue. As for the blog author, her name is available on her blog so I don't see why I can't post it here, but I did remove her email address. —Eekerz ^(t) 11:34, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the Chamberlain sources contain "amniocentesis" and "14 weeks", but no, they do not support what you want to add. Disagree? Help me out by giving the exact quotes that you believe support your addition. The original publisher of Ranalli's article, the National Right to Life Committee, is also an anti-abortion organization. Can you find this piece in any medical source such as a peer-reviewed journal? Also, there's an obvious difference between being anti-abortion and being an anti-abortion activist writing for an anti-abortion organization. As for presenting "both sides of an issue", this sentence from WP:UNDUE hits the nail here: "Wikipedia aims to present competing views in proportion to their representation in reliable sources on the subject." I know the blogger's name is right there on the blog, but WP:BLP will give you plenty of reasons not to repeat it here, besides it being unnecessary. Prolog (talk) 20:17, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Perceptual system

Eekerz, thanks for your useful comments about the article: Perceptual system. I have changed the wording of this article and removed myself as a source. I took the liberty of also removing the objection about the article's neutrality. I hope the revised article is now okay. Almon.David.Ing (talk) 00:46, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

No prob; thanks for improving it. —Eekerz ^(t) 17:24, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

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Linking obscure words not normally associated with a subject, such as how an "oil can" relates to a "lighthouse", is justified and helps increase understanding of the subject. Parts of objects are acceptable links too. Linking is subjective. —Eekerz ^(t) 00:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

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Hi. {{Cite patent}} seems to work fine now I've re-reverted to the previous version. Where has it been screwed up? I'm guessing it's a usage issue rather than a template issue. If you want to join in the discussion for improving the template, go to: Template talk:Citation. GDallimore (Talk) 23:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

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I see you editing a lot of TV show articles, but I think by now you would realize that you cannot copy text word-for-word from websites like History.com for their shows like you did Stan Lee's Superhumans and Hardcore Pawn. It is a violation of Copyright laws and Wikipedia policies and you could be blocked for it. Cyberia23 (talk) 03:10, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

As long as the copied text is sourced, it's fine. —Eekerz ^(t) 06:09, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

No it's not – besides you've sourced nothing. That would require proper ref tags at the end of every quoted line of text. Cyberia23 (talk) 16:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is--read WP:REF; sourcing the entire paragraph/section is fine too. —Eekerz ^(t) 17:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

You don't seem to understand, citing sources and adding refs aren't the same thing as copying text directly from a website and pasting it here. Unless you're quoting someone then you can copy the text directly and cite the source, but descriptions of things aren't quotes. You're just being lazy and it detracts from the article. Cyberia23 (talk) 04:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

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Overlinking

Hello Eekerz. I undid your edit to Waterworld because it included wikilinks to articles on plain English words such as "dirt", "raid", "inventor", "solitude", "cigarette", "pistol", "rope". There's no need to link words that an average reader can be expected to understand; doing so just turns the article into a sea of blue and distracts from the truly useful target articles that expand a reader's understanding. It's unlikely someone reading an article on Waterworld would also want to read the article about cigarettes or be helped by it. I'll restore the typos and italics you included in your edit. There's a policy, WP:OVERLINK. Hope this helps. Alistair Stevenson (talk) 20:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

So unlink those words you think are common enough (but many of the terms are vital to understanding the film). I also fixed capitalization and added italics so watch your reverts next time. —Eekerz ^(t) 21:01, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

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Actually, some of your articles on documentaries are really bad. I'm moving them into your userspace where you can improve them; check with me before moving them back into mainspace. This is me being nice; normally I'd just delete them. DS (talk) 14:19, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

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How does it not aid navigation? It does the same thing for double-/triple-letter dabs as {{Letter disambiguation}} does for single-letter dabs. {{lookfrom}} and {{intitle}} (which also aid navigation) are used extensively on dabs as well. —Eekerz ^(t) 21:28, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

The same way that adding a link to every article that starts with A to A doesn't help navigation -- it's clutter that the readers reaching a page are never going to need. We recently got rid of all the navbox version of this, Template:Letter-NumberCombination and Template:LetterCombination. -- JHunterJ (talk) 21:33, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

It's not "clutter"; it's a navigation aid like {{Geographic location}} (used on 10,000+ pages) is for geography. While I agree adding a link to every page that starts with "A" on A is futile, acronyms and initialisms are different because they are made up of few characters which can be easily confused and need differentiation. I don't plan on adding dabprefixes to more than the first 3 levels (x, xx, xxx) of acronym/initialism pages anyway (and it's just 1 line too). And you never replied to why {{letter disambiguation}} is fine but dabprefixes is not? They do the same thing but dabprefixes just goes 2 levels deeper. What's the big deal? —Eekerz ^(t) 21:47, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

If you're right and it's no big deal, there should be no trouble in verifying consensus with the disambiguation project before adding en masse to hundreds or thousands of pages. -- JHunterJ (talk) 22:22, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

How? I figured dabprefixes would be fine since {{letter disambiguation}} was already on the single-letter dabs. —Eekerz ^(t) 23:27, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

• Delete: template is not useful and adds unnecessary clutter to dab pages. It has no similarity to {{geographic location}}, which adds links to articles on physically adjacent places to an article about a place, except that they are both templates. I'm not convinced that {{letter disambiguation}} is particularly useful either, and see WP:OCE for its irrelevance to this discussion. PamD 08:02, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

How isn't it useful? It's useful because it acts like a collating sequence (like {{letterdab}}). How does it add "unnecessary clutter" to dab pages? It's one bullet in the "see also" section. Its similarity to {{geographic location}} is that it aids in navigation systems (particularly web navigation) like an index. How is {{letter disambiguation}} not relevant to this discussion? It's been in use since October 30, 2007 and has never been nominated for deletion (in fact, used in support of keeping {{Letter-NumberCombination}}). The problem with all of these Wikipedia essays (which aren't policies, by the way) is they often contradict each other and don't really help solve anything (usually convoluting things). I am just trying to make dab pages easier to navigate and understand their relevance and placement in the broader linguistic scheme. —Eekerz ^(t) 09:18, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

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Dude, chill! I recreated it in my userspace to work on it. Geez! —Eekerz ^(t) 00:49, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

You need to stop doing copyright violations. It's just not allowed. Hghyux (talk) 01:23, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Why the article was deleted

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This page should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement, because it was just created and is still a work-in-progress. Also, each paragraph is attributed so I don't understand why I have to rewrite everything in my own words when it's a waste of time considering attribution is already given. Lastly, the source doesn't provide it's source (just the year) so it is unclear where the information is originally from.

No, it doesn't work that way. Infringing on copyright is not permitted for works in progress.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 03:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

You have 10K edits?!? There is NO excuse for not knowing copyright rules.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 03:12, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for repeated copyright violations despite numerous warnings. Worse, your comments above show that after having the matter explained to you, you actually made completely false statements about how copyright works. No, you cannot add copyrighted material so long as its referenced. No, you cannot add copyrighted material first and then work on it later (and even if you did that offline, approaching an article that way may very well fail the close-paraphrasing rules as well). Copyright is not a small matter--it's not something that is negotiable, or that you just need to get better at. Copyright violations are damaging to the encyclopedia...so damaging that blocking you is necessary. Now, I have made this block indefinite, and in this case I really do mean indefinite, not infinite. You can be unblocked as soon as you can explain clearly why your copyvios are wrong, and what you will change in the future. I'm also inclined to say that you need a mentor who has experience in copyright issues.. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:29, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

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How did I "repeatedly" violate copyrights? And what "numerous" warnings? The article was a work-in-progress that I accidentally created in main space when I meant to put it in my userspace as a very rough draft. Within 3 minutes the article was flagged for speedy deletion and, when I created the userspace page, that was also flagged for speedy deletion within several minutes. I tried to add a {{newpage}} tag on it but the page was deleted before I finished. I even added a blockquote for the referenced text to try and give some time before I could work on the article more later. It all happened so fast (and never before to me) that I didn't have time to edit the article (and I had to go away for a while). Considering the short time and it was just one article, I hardly feel that is bounds for a block based on "numerous" (2 within a few minutes for the same article in 2 different places) copyright violations (which weren't violationS but just one violation I was in the process of rewriting). I will of course reword and incorporate more references (have 2 so far). I was hasty in posting the article but, again, I meant to post it to my userspace to work on it later since I had to go.

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I need only go back to a discussion in Sept 2010 where you argued that you could create articles that way, but were told distinctly "NO, YOU CANNOT". You can never copy/paste copyright text, even if ref'd, block quoted, and put on a page that says "userspace draft". You have known this for at least 1-1/2 years, yet you have continued to do so. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:37, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:More specific links

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