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Hello there - offering our services to brand new peopleEdit

I love this idea of creating new pages for Newspapers and repairing existing ones. I run the Guerrilla Skepticism on Wikipedia project (GSoW) we have found that editing Wikipedia is a daunting task for new people. I have a team of editors that function off Wikipedia itself in order to make training and mentoring more "friendly" to new people. We have been very successful over the years and operate in many languages, usually focused on science, scientific skepticism and the paranormal. I'm not asking new people here to join GSoW, but what I am offering is that if there are brand new people here who are intimidated by Wikipedia lessons or vocabulary or afraid you will screw things up, I will set you up with a mentor that will walk you through the process and hopefully allay your fears. Our team trains people who have never edited anything before, so we teach the basics of the basics as well as pretty advanced edits. We have an aggressive scary name, but I assure you that we follow all the rules of Wikipedia and our editors are terrific. You probably read our work all the time and are unaware of it, and we interact with the average Wikipedia editor often and you can't tell, cause well... we are the average Wikipedia editor, we just also work as a team. You can find us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram to see our public face. If you want to be matched up with a mentor or just have general questions about how to start to become an Wikipedia editor, you can reach out to us by email GSoWteam@gmail.com or you can reach us by Facebook. We are more than happy to help you start your journey becoming a Wikipedia editor. -- Susan Gerbic Sgerbic (talk) 19:28, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry I've been slow at getting back to you, but this is a great offer and we'll make use of it -- just need to get a bit organized. Thank you so much! Michaelacaulfield (talk) 19:38, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Consider applying for a Wikimedia Foundation grantEdit

On 9 July 2018 the Wikimedia Foundation grants program will open applications for grant proposals related to metrics.

A major problem in Wikimedia community metrics is measuring when people add citations to reliable sources. If your project builds out descriptions of publications then that could have synergy with efforts to identify when anyone else cites those publications.

There would be multiple pieces to such a project but this WikiProject is proposing an essential part of the overall process. If you think it fits then consider the coming grant process. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:23, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

OK, we need to do this, but I'm having trouble figuring out who should administer the grant. More soon. Michaelacaulfield (talk) 19:39, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Unsolicited advice - post to WikidataEdit

I see that the goal of this project is to post to English Wikipedia. This is great. Good luck.

I also see that most of you currently signed on to this program are new to Wikimedia projects. I have some advice - please immediately learn to edit Wikidata and make the development of Wikidata items a priority to pair with your English Wikipedia editing.

Reasons why I think you should do this include the following:

  1. I anticipate that you will collect a lot of primary sources and will come into conflict with notability criteria here. On Wikidata you will not have this conflict as primary sources are welcome there
  2. Probably you will eventually want to query trends and usage. Wikidata will give you magic visualizations like dots on the map, timelines, etc
  3. Structured data is hot and any leads you have on it will get more attention for your projects. You say you want 1000 publications - this is an attractive dataset

Good luck -

Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Lane, I agree that Wikidata is an important component. I see that 99of9 has expressed interest in creating a Wikidata component, and I'd be happy to help out with that as well. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:34, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
@Bluerasberry and Peteforsyth: Agreed. So far I have proposed a new identifier property for this wikidata:Wikidata:Property_proposal/USNPL_ID (feel free to comment there). I've also scraped and set up my first serious openrefine set, and have started sending edits to anything I've already matched. See here for some examples. Once I'm happy with the reconciliation, I'll put up another spreadsheet which will connect USNPL_ID -> Wikidata_Q_ID -> en-wiki_article, for both the paper and its location, and will contain the web and social media handles. If there's anything else you think of, let me know. --99of9 (talk) 22:09, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Related Wikidata ProjectEdit

Note especially the data model, which perhaps this project could use. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:30, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry: and @99of9: Thanks for the link, I'm now watching the Wikidata project. But I'm not sure I understand the point about data models...and perhaps I'm generally missing something about how we could be working with Wikidata.

It seems to me that we should:

  1. Create (and/or populate) Wikidata items for newspaper articles we work on here
  2. Create Wikidata items where we want to write a Wikipedia article about a newspaper, but it's not notable

Beyond that, is there something we should be considering, and if so, can you spell it out a bit more? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:15, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

@Peteforsyth: Yes, you understand. For #2 I would say make a Wikidata item for everything, probably before making the Wikipedia article. But yes - notability is certain for all publications in Wikidata.
The data model suggests a minimal amount of information to seek both for Wikipedia and Wikidata. Publications are especially important for Wikidata because the citations are a foundation of translation. Getting this information into Wikidata is a good bet for a high payoff later, because this project will get to brag of highly active remixing and reuse.
Also I expect that by putting information in Wikidata you will get to do very interesting queries, like automatic generation of maps showing where newspapers are based, or timelines of when they existed, or many other interesting characteristics which can be visualized. If there is any doubt we could talk it through but I hope that the project is sold on this and sees it as a small time commitment to add on for a much bigger impact. Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:06, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry and Peteforsyth: There are now 4907 USA newspapers on wikidata. I've been steadily matching, and there are only 612 still missing USNPL ID. All that are matched should have a place of publication, so you can already make a decent map. Hope you like it! --99of9 (talk) 00:12, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

@99of9: This is great, thank you! I have very little experience with queries, and I can't figure out a way to filter according to whether or not there's an English Wikipedia entry -- can you show me how to do that? It might be useful for editors to compare Wikidata entries with English Wikipedia entries to identify gaps. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 15:26, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: This version of the map has links to the wiki articles where the exist, and colour codes any without an article as red. Switch view to "table" if you just want to see a list of the data. Sorting and filtering is possible. --99of9 (talk) 02:53, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
@99of9: I've found two newspapers that exist on Wikipedia and Wikidata, but do not show up on the map. Can you help me figure out why? They identify the cities they're in, but maybe do not have formal coordinate...but I'm not sure how to add them. Herald and News and The New Era (newspaper) -Pete Forsyth (talk) 15:46, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: the location query is using "place of publication" not "located in administrative territory". So with this edit, I've put one of them on the map. The other one is already on when I tried - you may have been seeing a cached result from before you added the country. --99of9 (talk) 07:33, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
@99of9: I am trying to figure out what the color code is (i.e., what the different colors for different papers means) but I can't find any kind of key, or see it in the query text. Can you explain? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 14:49, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: the color code comes from the line: #defaultView:Map{"layer":"?article"} It means that the items will be grouped and coloured according to the value they have in the ?article field. Since anything with no en-article has that blank, they all come up the same colour (here red). All the other items have different wiki articles to one another, so all come out as different colours. To change it up and make them more meaningful, here's a version of the same map which is coloured by the total number of sitelinks (0,1,2,3,...) amongst all language wikipedias.
@Peteforsyth: And here's a less useful but more colourful version coloured by state (and leaving out DC entirely!). --13:45, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
@99of9: I will dive into this this weekend. I do agree that learning Wikidata upfront will give us benefits.

99of9, Bluerasberry, Michaelacaulfield: I started a sub-page to collect thoughts about Wikidata. Hope this helps, and please feel free to watchlist/expand/edit/correct/etc. Wikipedia:WikiProject Newspapers/Wikidata. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:38, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Relevant regional conferencesEdit

WikiConference North America October 2018 in Columbus

This general regional Wiki-community conference typically gets 300 attendees from Canada, US, and Mexico. Many representatives of wiki-communities from universities will be present. If you want to check options for US-regional collaboration then presenting your idea here could be the fastest and easiest option.

Wikicite November 2018 in San Francisco

If your project develops by November 2018, and if you start to consider applying structured data to newspaper citations, then consider joining this. Right now the focus is on academic publications and it is easier to get structured data from those. However, what applies for journals could apply to newspapers. Think about the extent to which this is a fit!

Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:38, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

MSA newspaper editathonEdit

here was an editathon at Annapolis Wikipedia:Meetup/MD/UMD_MSA_Newspapers. we should be able to ramp up using wikidata methods. Psyduck3 (talk) 21:55, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

dashboardEdit

if you use m:Programs_&_Events_Dashboard it will track edits and articles created. Psyduck3 (talk) 21:29, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@Psyduck3: Thank you for what seems like an excellent suggestion. Would you be able to assist in getting us set up with the dashboard? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 18:53, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Project TemplateEdit

I've created a *really* simple template that can be added to the Talk pages of any articles to associate them with this project. Add the text {{Template:WikiProject_Newspapers}} to any Talk page to show the template. I've used it on the page I've just created for the Turtle Mountain Times if you want to see it. --Ammienoot (talk) 23:18, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @Ammienoot:! I just added this to a page I created and will continue to do so. Have you seen anything similar done for WikiGnom-ing done in connection to a specific project? Hstaffo77 (talk) 13:04, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
@Hstaffo77: It's common for WikiProjects to add such a template to talk pages of articles within their scope. Typically, they also include ratings for quality and importance to the WikiProject topic. For instance, if you look at Talk:Pickens County Herald you will see that WikiProject Journalism has rated the article for both quality and importance, while WikiProject Alabama has rated it only for quality. Typically, if you click the "importance scale" link, you'll see a nice chart of all articles within a project's purview, arranged according to quality and importance; that can be really helpful in identifying what articles are most worth improving (i.e., the high importance ones that are stubs or start-class). In this case, the link is somewhat broken...here's a direct link to the WikiProject Journalism chart: WP:WikiProject Journalism#Statistics and quality content listings
Overall, it may be useful to WP Newspapers to set up such a system, but it will take a little more work to get it set up. It might be somewhat redundant of the benefits of using the Event Dashboard, as suggested above...but well worth considering. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 18:59, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Another thought on templates is that it might be nice to make up a template to thank people who have participated in the project - we do this for our editathons at Edinburgh. After the event we visit the Talk pages for all contributing users and leave a thank you message tailored to the event. Usually it contains more info about editing Wikipedia and working on the project so that people can keep going if they want to. Might be worth considering here if you haven't already?--Ammienoot (talk) 14:43, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @Ammienoot:! I'm adding it to the main page (and just added it to a newspaper article I published). -Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:49, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Update: I added quality and importance ratings capabilityEdit

OK, I've updated the template to permit assessing articles according to quality and importance to the WikiProject. There's still more work to do, but this will permit us to add (optionally) ratings to articles. To do so, instead of adding the template like this:

{{WikiProject Newspapers}}

you would add it like this:

{{WikiProject Newspapers|class=CLASSRATING|importance=IMPORTANCERATING}}

and you'd fill in values as follows:

CLASSRATING could be any of the following. In practice, only the first three or four will apply; GA and FA require formal peer review processes that are likely outside the scope of this WikiProject.

  • stub
  • start
  • C
  • B
  • GA
  • FA

IMPORTANCERATING could be:

  • low (probably most of the articles we're working on)
  • mid (maybe state-level newspapers of record)
  • high (I'd imagine the NY Times, Wall Street Journal would be "high importance")
  • top (not sure we even need a fourth layer for this particular WikiProject)

The next step would be to formalize the stuff I've written above on the pages linked in the template. I'm happy to continue on that if folks feel it is worthwhile. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:25, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

@Peteforsyth: Yes - I did think about setting up such a template, but I wasn't sure about whether this project wanted a template at all. A more complex template means a bit more work for editors and others on the project and I didn't want to foist that on anyone without a discussion! Really pleased to see you've picked it up and added to it. :-) Ammienoot (talk) 21:13, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
@Ammienoot: It's a good concern, I don't know whether we'll be able to fully take advantage of it, and maybe I was a little premature in setting it up. But I don't think it'll hurt anything, and it could help :) Thanks again for getting the ball rolling.
The main issue I see is that, it seems this template has been added to many articles over the years as a redirect to WikiProject Journalism. That means that (a) we now have lots of articles that aren't really in our area marked with our template, and (b) it probably messes up the data for WikiProject Journalism as well. Wish I knew an elegant way to deal with it...open to suggestions. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:22, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: Hmm - okay - let me do some consultation here. When I set up the template I thought I removed the redirect. Each template should in theory by a separate template pointing at a separate project. Ammienoot (talk) 22:15, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Yes...it's a complex problem, and I don't think there's an easy solution. As far as I can tell, in about 2012 John Vandenberg created a redirect from the template for WP:Newspapers to the template for WP:Journalism. In the years since, many individual editors presumably added {{WikiProject Newspapers}}, and noticed that it was not a redlink. Now that there are two separate projects, we inherit the several years of additions. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:26, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Well, one option is to put the redirect back and then make a new template. That's totally doable as it hasn't been used very much for our new pages and most of them are conceivably within the scope of WikiProject Journalism anyway (so we could leave that template and then add a new one?). Seems a shame not to be able to use the template for WikiProject Newspapers and I suspect if I put the redirect back we are going to get some people trying to use a template for work on this project, using that one and getting WikiProject Journalism. Confusing! Ammienoot (talk) 23:07, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

What articles belong in our project?Edit

So, I've realized there's an odd bit of history to our project: In 2012, my friend John Vandenberg created a REDIRECT from the "WikiProject Newspapers" template to the "WikiProject Journalism" template. I think we're all in agreement that the two WikiProjects have (overlapping but) distinct goals and purpose, but part of the result is that there are a number of pages already tagged with the (newly-created) "WikiProject Newspapers}} template. For instance, Fleet Street. I think we only want to have actual newspapers as part of this WikiProject -- and not places, people, etc. that happen to be closely related to newspapers. But it bears asking explicitly...is that the general sense here? Should be be changing articles like that to explicitly link to WikiProject Journalism instead? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:54, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

That is my general sense. I think the project is bigger than our current initiative (all current US newspapers in USNPL) but expansions will only be targeting articles on real newspapers Michaelacaulfield (talk) 19:45, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Should defunct newspapers be included? Or only newspapers that are currently in production? Jmertel23 (talk) 19:04, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Jmertel23: Good question, I have been including them, and I think it's worthwhile to do so. Stories from defunct papers may still come up and prompt questions about its quality, and some defunct newspapers have been rolled into other papers that have continued. I haven't made a priority of working on too many such papers...but some, e.g. the Oregon Journal, had a strong & lasting influence on journalism in their region, that I think is related to the work we're doing here. Any issue with that Michaelacaulfield? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 05:56, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Logo for this projectEdit

Marketing and outreach are probably early concerns of this project but I have a need to show this project off. Do any of the core team have ideas for a logo?

Noun Project has images with Wikimedia compatible licenses. This project could use one of their logos.

Alternatively - I could present this project without a logo but I do have some newspaper-related events coming up and I would like to affiliate with this project and showcase it as best as I can. Thoughts? Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:22, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the interest and efforts, Bluerasberry. I think Michaelacaulfield would have the final say on something like this. I imagine we'd all be interested to know who you're talking to, and Mike might have some updates to share. Are you talking about something like a slide show or webinar? If so, maybe just the basic logo (similar to the Noun Project logos) on our templates, at the bottom of the main project page? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:07, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
I think we could go with a Noun Project logo, but let me see if we have students that are interested in taking a shot. Michaelacaulfield (talk) 19:37, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth and Michaelacaulfield: At my school we are presenting Surfacing Black Life in Charlottesville, a project to share information from the historic newspapers The Charlottesville Tribune and the Charlottesville-Albemarle Tribune. Both of these newspapers were by and for the African American community in the age of desegregation. I see this project of mine as part of the same effort that you are showing to raise the profile of local newspapers.
Check out that event page and the call out at the bottom to supporting organizations. For now I propose that my university credit your newspaper project. Later, when you are reporting outcomes of your project, I hope that you could feature this Virginia project as an example of regional engagement in your larger project.
If you would like to talk through how this could work then let's chat by voice or video. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:49, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
That looks like a great project, Bluerasberry! I'd be happy to talk, but maybe a good interim step... have you used Slack? Could you join our Slack channel so we can text chat, and then maybe set up a call? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:10, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
p.s. I started this in draft space: Draft:Charlottesville Tribune -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:23, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Edits of mixed value - a tip for intermediate/experienced WikipediansEdit

Often the leadership or personnel of a paper will edit an article, which can improve the article, but also will often over-emphasize the present at the expense of the past (sometimes removing sources and sourced info). Here's an example. Something to keep an eye out for, and (ideally) engage the contributor, encourage them to disclose any conflict of interest, and to observe Wikipedia's standards a little more carefully. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:49, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata conference call in ~2 hoursEdit

In case anybody interested didn't hear about it, we will be having a conference call to explore how to incorporate Wikidata work into our efforts this afternoon (4:10pm Pacific time). Please leave a note here if you'd like to participate; I believe we'll be using the conferencing site appear.in -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:06, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Notability of newspapersEdit

Wikipedia judges whether a topic can be the subject of a Wikipedia article. If a subject can have a Wikipedia article then it is "notable". If a subject cannot then it is "not notable". The general guideline for notability is can be summarized by saying that a topic is notable when it is the subject of multiple reliable sources.

Besides the general guideline for notability anyone can write and propose special notability criteria for particular classes of topics. Right now there is no special criteria for newspapers, meaning they are notable only if they meet the general guideline. Here are some special criteria which might be similar to what we could propose for newspapers:

At a glance I expect that many newspapers would not meet similar criteria. We can petition for change, and there have been great changes recently with new accessibility of datasets as reliable sources. If we do petition for change we are not certain to get support that change, and if we can get support, the time scale may be a period of months for the conversation to play out.

While failing notability will exclude some newspapers, lots of newspapers will meet existing notability criteria, and can now be the subject of Wikipedia articles. If we guide new users to write articles about newspapers then sending them to easier cases would be preferable to sending them to more challenging cases. The ideal situation is starting a new Wikipedia article on a newspaper for which someone has sources other than just the database.

I understand that there has already been some off-wiki conversation about this. We will find a way forward and definitely have hundreds of good options for making Wikipedia articles. Blue Rasberry (talk) 00:51, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up, Bluerasberry. I started collecting some thoughts on the topic here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Newspapers/Notability Please take a look, I'd love to know your thoughts. (It's a work in progress -- obviously, I think -- in its infancy.) -Pete Forsyth (talk) 04:06, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Challenge: One article or infobox by Sun. Sept. 2!Edit

Hey project members -- if you haven't yet written an article, I have a challenge for you -- Write just one new short Wikipedia article about a U.S. newspaper, add infobox to an existing one, or add a cited fact to an existing draft, by next Sunday, September 2. Ask here on the talk page if you need help!

Start by picking a newspaper. Consulting our state lists or our map might be a good way to find one. On the map, red dot=no article yet, yellow=article without infobox. Let's see if we can knock out a few papers in the coming week! -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:22, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

The Daily TelegraphEdit

I've recently been looking for wikilinks which point to the "wrong" primary topic (priests celebrating mass, albums by Prince, etc.) and fixing them in a semi-automated way. I've noticed a lot of links to The Daily Telegraph which probably refer to The Daily Telegraph (Sydney). Here is an incomplete list, which contains many false positives. Unfortunately I don't see a way to fix these, as there's no easy way to check whether an Australian really did work for, or get reported in, the British paper. Please can anyone help? Certes (talk) 10:58, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Certes, thank you for the note. I can see how this is a tricky issue, but I am also stumped. If you haven't already, you might also post at WP:JOURNALISM; this WikiProject here has a pretty narrow scope and many newbies, whereas WP Journalism might give your question more exposure to experienced Wikipedians. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:59, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
I think you are right about nearly all of them. If you post on Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board you are likely to find willing helpers. --99of9 (talk) 06:27, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Current numbersEdit

Thanks to a helpful Wikidata colleague, we have some current numbers to consider:

what numbers as of August 23, 2018 query link for numbers query link for items
Wikidata entries 5012 query query
English Wikipedia articles 1454 query query
enwp articles containing infobox newspaper 1257 query

It remains a bit elusive to get good comparisons from one date to another...I'm working on getting some help on that. But this is a strong step in that direction! See here for the discussion on Wikidata. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:18, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Notability Issues about West Virginia papersEdit

Hur Herald and HuntingtonNews are possible notable, but the others (Mountain Messenger and Citizens' News) are free, ad-supported papers focusing almost exclusively on press releases, event, schoool and sports, and have no deep history.

Hur Herald seems to have started as a joke, but became something interesting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelacaulfield (talkcontribs) 02:36, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Omaha World Herald questionEdit

Wikipedia already has an Omaha World-Herald page, but I notice in the list here there's a paper listed as Omaha-World Herald. Is this a typo, or does there exist another newspaper with a similar name? To my knowledge, there wasn't a competing World Herald in Omaha. - Jason Heppler (talk) 21:06, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Good catch, Hepplerj. The best first step with any article is to first search on Wikipedia to see if it already exists -- the lists were generated automatically and still need checking. In this case, since the spelling/punctuation here ("Omaha-World Herald") is clearly incorrect, the best thing is probably just to delete the line that links to it. If this were a legitimate alternate spelling (e.g., Omaha World Herald vs. Omaha World-Herald), the best thing would be to create a WP:Redirect, which would make both variants go to the main article. That has already been done in this case...if you click this link, it will bypass the redirect and you can see the code that makes the redirect work. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:39, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Peteforsyth! That's a helpful explanation. I'll remove the line. - Jason Heppler (talk) 00:08, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
Hepplerj, I see you've amassed a nice little collection of drafts! Let me know if you'd like a hand with any of them to help move them forward. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 06:00, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Peteforsyth, thanks! I fell off this for a bit as the semester workload picked up (and back-to-back conferences), but should be returning to it as early as next week. I'll definitely let you know!

Is there a spreadsheet for this project?Edit

I think it would make sense to have a spreadsheet for this project.

Is there one already?

--Robert Sterbal, call/text 412-977-3526, robert@sterbal.com Rsterbal (talk) 11:48, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Rsterbal, great talking to you yesterday. If I could flesh out your question, I think you are talking about a spreadsheet that lists the status of various articles ("exists", "has infobox", "has at least 3 references" and so on.) Some way of collecting this information is necessary to project organizers for evaluating the success of the "sprint"; and I think your point is, making such information available to project participants is also valuable, as it helps them learn about the scope of the task at hand, and track progress. Correct?
Our approach has generally been toward using Wikidata to track this information. However, some of the info is not suitable for storing on Wikidata. I'd imagine a hybrid approach, of starting with a table generated from Wikidata and then adding whatever info is needed, would be the way to go. A top priority for me right now is to find a programmer with the skills to write a script that would scrape such info based on the collection of info on Wikidata (i.e., all newspapers based in the United States for which a Wikipedia article exists).
I think we are open to alternate ways of collecting and presenting this kind of info though, especially if you're able to create it, or at least a proof-of-concept. Thoughts, Michaelacaulfield? 99of9? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:56, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
A SPARQL query like this should list all newspapers based in the United States for which a Wikipedia article exists. Certes (talk) 22:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you Certes, I think that's the ideal starting point for populating a table or spreadsheet for the full range of info we want to track. I just made a request at the Village Pump, let's see if somebody comes along who can help. See here. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 23:35, 20 September 2018 (UTC)


We should agree if we are going to use wikidata or a spreadsheet.

This help file: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:SPARQL_query_service/Wikidata_Query_Help

will set me back personally for quite some time, where I think everyone knows how to use a spreadsheet.

We should come up with a list of columns:

Table

  • Rank
  • Newspaper
  • Primary locality
  • Headquarters state or district
  • Total average circulation
  • Owner(s)
  • Nameplate

Other

  • Address
  • zip code
  • State

Infobox

  • Type
  • Format
  • Owner(s)
  • Publisher
  • Editor
  • Headquarters - Address, City, State, Zip
  • Circulation - Daily (Date), Sunday (Date)
  • Website

Rsterbal (talk) 01:33, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

For the purposes of this project, I think the following table is the "bare minimum" we need to measure success (as we defined it from the start). The things mentioned above are certainly useful, but "extra" from this project's perspective:
Article name with link Existed on June 1, 2018? Is a redirect today? Was a redirect on June 1? Has infobox today? Had infobox on June 1?
Malheur Enterprise Yes No No Yes No
....
One reason it should be programmatic is that the answers for "today" will be different today, and on December 15. We'll want to re-run the query in the future to get up-to-date info (without having to update a spreadsheet with hundreds or thousands of rows).
Another is that we'll want to add more columns; and if there's a programmatic core, it should be easy to update the spreadsheet without a lot of manual labor.
I think I have a guy who is willing to at least put some work into writing a script, though we might still need to recruit somebody else...he may not have a lot of time. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:47, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
And for more readable output, the "redirect" question could just be fed back into the contents of the spreadsheet, rather than being presented in its own columns. If it was a redirect before and is still a redirect today, the row could be removed from the table (i.e., there was not, and is not, a Wikipedia article, so it doesn't belong in the data set) and if there was a redirect in June and not today, the "existed on June 1" column should be edited to reflect "no". -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:20, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
You have just put such a incredibly high bar on getting things moving that you will probably not meet the deadline you set, and the interest in this project will not get going until you meet it.

I was finally able to run the query and pasted the raw results here:

This is the first list of columns:

  • item
  • !itemLabel
  • Count of item label
  • Sum of Item Label
  • place
  • placeLabel
  • State
  • Region
  • id
  • coords
  • article link
  • has article
  • mapflags
  • rgb
  • 0
  • Currently Publishing
  • Type
  • Format
  • Owner(s)
  • Founded

Perhaps the first cut is to eliminate all of the rows without an article?

Rsterbal (talk) 11:54, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Rsterbal, thanks for putting this together -- looks like an excellent collection of info. One thing I notice is that many papers have two lines -- one listing its city, and the other listing its state. Is this on purpose?
I can tell you're doing something worthwhile, but I'm not seeing the end goal. What are we aiming for with the spreadsheet? Maybe I can help if I can see it more clearly.
I'm not sure what you're referring to with the "high bar" -- the 1,000 newspapers goal? It's ambitious, certainly. But I don't think it's the kind of goal where falling short equates to "failure." There is no funder expecting that outcome, no contract, etc. If we fall short, but produce some content and learn something, I think we still get to pat ourselves on the back a little. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 02:57, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
If the effort is to learn more about how wikidata works, by all means continue down the path you are going. If the goal is to create a section in wikipedia that covers the top 1000 to 1500 papers of the 5000 newspaper names then I think you would want to use a spreadsheet. There are already 1813 articles, so this is largely an editing job. While it would be nice to automate it, the process I would use would be to automatically generate sections from data collected and reviewed in both tabular and page format.

I'd be happy to discuss the ideas further in a call. 100.6.115.51 (talk) 10:34, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Here are the suggested infobox columns:

{{Infobox Newspaper
| name                = [[Image:The Adair County News logo.png|225px|centre|The Adair County News]] |              
| image               = [[Image:The Adair County News.png|225px|centre|Adair County N]] |
| caption             = The December 14, 1910, front page of <br>''The Adair County News''|
| type                = [[Weekly newspaper]]
| format              = [[Broadsheet]]
| foundation          = 1887 
| ceased publication  = 1987 
| price               = 
| owners              = 
| publisher           = Adair County News Company
| editor              = 
| language            = English
| political           = 
| circulation         = 
| headquarters        = [[Columbia, KY]]
| oclc                = 
| ISSN                = 
| website             = 
}}


100.6.115.51 (talk) 12:13, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Rsterbal Neither of us quite understands what the other is trying to accomplish, and I was mistaken to assume there was an overlap. Yes, let's discuss. Thursday's pretty good for me much of the day. Good time for you after noon Eastern? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:21, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
  Done For anybody following along, Robert and I resolved this in a phone call -- we indeed had some crossed signals. Robert's idea was centered around assembling info in such a way that we could determine which papers (by, for instance, circulation) are the highest priority, etc. While that would be a worthwhile effort (and may very well be worth pursuing in the future), this project is a bit more "lightweight" in its scope -- we expect individual editors to make their own judgments about what papers are worthy of their efforts, and seek to support each other once those decisions have been made. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:16, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Migrating from Journalism to this project, or notEdit

In Australia we have hundreds of newspaper articles and categories aligned to the older Journalism project - however everything here at the momentseems to be focused to the US scope.

Question is if it is specifically for US newspapers, or for worldwide newspapers, could that be clarified somewhere in the main scope and space of the project - otherwise there is potential problems for delineating scope/aim on the project main page - and potential confusion of where Journalism starts and where Newspapers starts. Trust there is a capacity in this project to be very clear about that. Thanks. JarrahTree 23:19, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi JarrahTree, good question. The initial focus is indeed on U.S. newspapers, and most current members are focused on that area. But I think we would all welcome expansions to include other geographies. We do have one member in Australia (99of9). The main distinction from the older WikiProject Journalism is that our scope is more narrow; here, we focus entirely on articles about newspapers, not articles about the field of journalism, individual reporters or editors, news ethics, etc. Our scope is narrow not because we think those other areas are unimportant, but because we want to make significant strides in the number of newspapers covered by Wikipedia. Michaelacaulfield, who set the initial parameters for the project, might have something to add, but I think this covers it pretty well.
I'll take another look at our main page, and see if I can improve the language to better reflect what I've said here -- thanks for bringing it up. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:11, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

NextEdit

Someone on this project needs to enlist the assessment process to the project for it to even look like a project - that is there is a page - it needs to look like other longer established projects by having a good and robust assessment process in action. I used to use artists o this task in the past who are no longer active - but, it is needed - soon JarrahTree 00:04, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi JarrahTree, thanks for the note. I'm the one who set up most of the assessment framework here, and based on what I found part way through, I've been unsure how to proceed. Maybe you can help me think it through?
The principle problem is this: after creating the templates and starting to apply them, I found that they already existed on a number of pages -- and that's a number of pages that do not fit into the scope of this project as presently defined. It turns out they are there because for many years, {{WikiProject Newspapers}} redirected to {{WikiProject Journalism}}, and during that time, the former was added by many people to many articles. It looks like Ammienoot created the template over John Vandenberg's redirect, which sort of lead inevitably to this problem; I appreciate the effort, and would probably have done the same myself, but without "cleaning up" all the redirected templates, it impacts both this project's and WikiProject Journalism's ability to do assessments.
As I see it, there's a choice among the following:
  1. Abandon the assessment aspect of this project entirely; this may be viable, since we are trying to use Wikidata to track our efforts anyway, which in the long run might be better suited to the task.
  2. Using an automated tool like AWB, delete all the {{WikiProject Newspapers}} templates, and start over
  3. Similar to above, replace all Newspaper templates with {{WikiProject Journalism}} (since we have added very few manually to WikiProject Newspapers articles), and start over for this project
Maybe there are other options, I'm not sure. I'm a little hesitant to take any bold action without first making sure it works for Journalism project members, since it impacts that project as well. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 23:23, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
It might be there are no longer that many journalism project participants that concerned.

Interesting, I used to defer to now blocked or absent editors to help create the internal tweaks for templates and assessment processes - the pages and the various requirements. In most cases I would just follow and tag the talk pages.

I would argue for assessment like 90% of the rest of wikipedia projects, for some sense of belonging... eccentric projects is like, not really being in with the rest...

If it was possible to make a sub-page of the issues you have identified above, it allows others see and to get an outline - if it was possible to get a dump of what needs to be done.

Not as technically answering I would like to, hope that's an idea. JarrahTree 23:35, 5 October 2018 (UTC)


I think it might be worthwhile for me to post something to WT:JOURNO and get a feel for what they think. I can do that over the weekend. In the meantime, I think I found the diff that reflects when the redirect was replaced with a new template. It looks like maybe less of a problem for WP:JOURNO than I had thought. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 01:42, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata powered newspaper infoboxEdit

Example of an infobox powered entirely by Wikidata is now on the The Cambrian article. Simon Cobb (Sic19 ; talk page) 23:29, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for this Sic19! I've just shared this with the team on our Slack channel. Will ponder whether wiki politics allow for us to try it at greater scale -- from what others at WikiCite were telling me, it sounds a bit fraught, but probably possible if we constrain the number of articles (e.g., only defunct newspapers to start with). Very pleased to have a working example! -Pete Forsyth (talk) 18:30, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Maybe of interestEdit

Aggregator of news with AI misinformation alerts checked by humans:

https://bitpress.news/misinformation-alerts/

--Jndockery (talk) 02:45, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing this out Jndockery! Did you see this, Michaelacaulfield? Are you familiar with it? (Jndockery was with me at WikiCite.) -Pete Forsyth (talk) 18:14, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Project imageryEdit

 
Oregon pioneer catching up on the Trump/Russia scandal in ~1909

You guys, I can't even express how eager I am to find a way to work this Oregon pioneer into our project's imagery somehow. Don't be surprised if you spot this in a project report or something... -Pete Forsyth (talk) 02:17, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

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Australian newspaper projectEdit

Just FYI, in case you're not aware the State Library of New South Wales ran a project to train Librarians how to build Wikipedia articles for the newspapers which were being digitised for Trove. Not only did the create MANY articles (the first few sentences of which then got embedded into Trove's own record pages), and train librarians about how WP works, they also created interesting lists such as List of non-English-language newspapers in New South Wales. See: Wikipedia:GLAM/State Library of New South Wales/The Newspaper Project. Wittylama 09:48, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

The Democrat-ReporterEdit

There is a merger discussion at Talk:Goodloe Sutton that project members may be interested in participating in. SounderBruce 02:03, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Notability adviceEdit

Hi all, I've come across a few newspaper entries where I'm unsure of how they measure up to notability standards--as far as I can tell, I'm not sure these meet any of the possible prongs for establishing notability but it's not an area of AfD I've dealt with before so I wanted to seek some input. For instance:

Counsel from those more familiar would be much appreciated! Innisfree987 (talk) 01:58, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi, quick reaction: Daily Inter Lake is a "newspaper of record" for a county in Montana. Newspaper stub articles such as this one provide a service of giving a basic sense about it as a source. It would help if it had history included, like when the newspaper was established, of course. I think in general having stubs on newspapers which have been published is important. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Jackson Herald is a recent AFD which ended "Keep" where I made general argument, as well as provided specifics about that newspaper. --Doncram (talk) 19:29, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Stouffville Sun-Tribune is a newspaper started in 1880s. Absolutely clearly notable. --Doncram (talk) 19:30, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
@Innisfree987, Doncram, and Rosiestep: Sorry to only be noticing this now, but worth noting: We did create a draft guideline for newspaper notability. It may be helpful to you in assessing notability, and it would be helpful to this campaign to have feedback/comments/additions/subtractions to this document. Please take a look: Wikipedia:WikiProject Newspapers/Notability -Pete Forsyth (talk) 18:29, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!Edit

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Discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard about the general reliability of The Ghana Daily GraphicEdit

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The Beaver listed at Requested movesEdit

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20th Century Press Archives - German - WikidataEdit

Here is a project with shared goals

Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:05, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry: Thanks for the mention here, and for the hint from the Wikidata project! Two things I'd like to add:
  1. Though the archive is located in Germany, it collected articles about the whole world, from more than 1400 newspapers and other periodicals. On according topics, e.g. British companies, most of the content is in English.
  2. You can find more background here: 20th Century Press Archives.
Cheers, Jneubert (talk) 13:17, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

List of newspaper clippings archivesEdit

I've started to collect information on newspaper clippings archives all over the world. Unfortunately, having started with German-speaking countries, I've found only a few beyond in Canada so far (see List of newspaper clippings archives - in German, for now). If you have information about such archives, please let me know. I'm happy about all hints. --Jneubert (talk) 13:33, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

@Jneubert: Thanks for the note. We've gathered some relevant information, but I don't think we've documented it in any one place. I'll try to pull some info together on one page and ping you. (Short answer: The best non-commercial project for the U.S. is the Library of Congress's Chronicling America project; there also state-specific projects, many affiliated with Chronicling America; many paywalled projects like newspapers.com and newsbank.com; and companies that sell their services to specific newspapers to outsource their own archiving. I assume you're interested in all of these?) -Pete Forsyth (talk) 16:27, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: Thanks for the hints. Chronicling America is a great resource. Like similar projects in France and in Germany, it however deals with whole newspaper volumes, which were digitized ex-post, sometimes with OCR. What I'm particularly interested in are press archives which collected clippings in thematic dossiers, about persons, organizations, events and general topics of their time. Mostly, these were (and are, if they still exist) closed collections for the use of the journalists of a certain newspaper publisher, sometimes a large bank or company. There seem to be few if any traces of such archives in the US, so I'm looking very much forward to your findings. Cheers, Jneubert (talk) 09:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
I've also set up a list of press/newspaper archives in a broader sense, also extracted from Wikidata, but I'm not actively maintaining it. --Jneubert (talk) 09:41, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

North Carolina News edit-a-thonEdit

Hi all - my library colleagues & I at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill are excited to start a N.C. News edit-a-thon. First one is Oct. 24, 2019 - I hope to run one each semester at the University of North Carolina's Hussman School of Journalism & Media Our meetup page and see our results at our dashboard. I'm the journalism librarian & will be leading the effort to edit current news pages; User:Wonderlag is going to lead the effort to add freely available archives digitized by the North Carolina Digital Heritage Center to newspaper entries. CogSciLibrarian (talk) 18:53, 24 October 2019 (UTC) It was a great success! See photos on Twitter; we edited 81 articles, made 187 total edits, and added 109 references. CogSciLibrarian (talk) 15:35, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing this CogSciLibrarian. Those are some impressive results! Sorry to only now see your note! I'd love to hear more about this, and am interested in finding ways to integrate it with our efforts. Feel free to email me if you'd like to discuss. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 16:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

APN Regional News Network listed at Requested movesEdit

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Newspapers in Washington D.C. ?Edit

Hi folks, would like to contribute, any thoughts on a state list for Washington D.C. ? Gabrielaltay (talk) 03:41, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Great question, and welcome Gabrielaltay! We do have a gap in our lists. For the moment, you might try using the map (generated by a Wikidata query) and zoom into DC. Focus on the red dots (no Wikipedia article yet) or, if you want to build infoboxes, focus on any yellow dots. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 16:19, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Peter. I think I can also focus on the redlinks here List_of_newspapers_in_Washington,_D.C. if there are no objections. Gabrielaltay (talk) 18:10, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
No objections, of course! We try to work hand-in-hand with existing lists as much as possible. In some cases we have found we can create more up-to-date or complete lists than existing ones, but that's not always the case. It would be super helpful if you use that one, if you can report back here whether it seems current/complete/etc. as you get to know it better. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 18:24, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Mbabel: a tool to help generate a Wikipedia article based on a Wikidata entryEdit

Template:Mbabel -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Also Template:Preloaddraft

Also Wikidata:Wikidata:Cradle

Proposed change of link target for ISSN_link templateEdit

{{ISSN link}}, used in {{Infobox newspaper}}, currently serves up empty search results for newspaper ISSNs. I've proposed a change to that template, to use issn.org rather than Worldcat. Please direct any comments thither. -- Visviva (talk) 15:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Project newspapers statisticsEdit

I created a statistics page for the WikiProject Newspapers, Draft:Project Newspaper statistics

It contains statistics on the importance and quality of articles in the Newspapers Project.

Let me know what you think and whether it would be useful to include. User:G._Moore, talk 17:06, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

For some reason, this draft was deleted. I can't find out where the content went. User:G._Moore, talk 13:54, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
It's now here: Draft:Wikipedia:WikiProject Newspapers statistics. -- Visviva (talk) 17:11, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
I put a copy of the statistics on the last tab called Reviews & Alerts. It gives good data on what has been accomplished and what needs attention for WikiProject Newspapers. User:G._Moore talk 06:11, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Project UpdateEdit

Since it has been over a year since the initial project newspapers task on U.S. states was started and all of the states now have lists of newspapers articles, I have updated the U.S. Newspapers project. Trying to simplify the article creation process steps so that it can be adapted for U.S. states or country level newspapers. Please feel free to add questions or comments. It would probably make sense to start with the State or country lists of newspapers.

User:G._Moore Talk 00:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi @G. Moore: Thank you for all your efforts here! As you can tell, this project is less active than it once was, but it would be great to get it going again. Please feel free to reach out if there's anything specific you want to discuss, and I will take a closer look in the next few days at what you've been working on, and see if I can pitch in. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:11, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks @Peteforsyth:, There is a section on Measuring in the Goals tab that doesn't make much sense to me. I inserted some short and long term goals at the top of that tab that makes more sense to me for monitoring progress more generally. It uses the automatic statistics that are now on the page. I believe that the goal should be to create Lists for every country and state and Good or better articles and lists. G._Moore (talk · contribs) 06:41, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Discussion of new params for Infobox NewspaperEdit

Please see Template talk:Infobox newspaper#dirvisuals for discussion of adding "Director of Visuals" and "Director of Video" params to {{Infobox newspaper}}. -- Visviva (talk) 21:17, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Barrie AdvanceEdit

Is there anyone out there knowledgeable about Canadian newspapers? We have an article on the Barrie Advance. It was blanked by @LiberArchivum, who then created a similar article at The Barrie Magnet/Northern Advance. LiberArchivum's edit summaries mentioned splitting the article into separate pages, but I don't know what the split might be. Can this be resolved through a simple WP:HISTMERGE, or does this require additional cleanup? - Eureka Lott 22:21, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

I've been trying to figure it out too, but I also can't find the second split article. --Bsherr (talk) 20:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Daily CollegianEdit

Would some members of this WikiProject mind taking a look this article? It underwent a major expansion recently and lots of the content seems too detailed and perhaps a bit WP:UNDUE. There are various formatting and syntax errors as well as well as quite a bit of WP:Namechecking, but it's the overall tone and excessive amount of sections (some which seem redundant (like "Prestige" and "Awards") or not really warranting such detail (like "Website redesign") that makes the article (at least in my opinion) a bit promotional in nature. Someone obviously put some time into expanding the article, but perhaps they tried to add too much. -- Marchjuly (talk) 15:29, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

I'll try to take a look over the weekend. Thanks for the notification. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 00:47, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you Peteforsyth. Just for reference, NoahRiffe has declared a COI (though I'm not completely sure why) and appears to be trying really hard to do things according to relevant policies and guidelines based upon their posts at Talk:Daily Collegian; they're likely just trying to improve the article in good faith and just need some guidance or tips. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:03, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Sorry to let this fall off my radar, Marchjuly. I agree with your assessment. I have to say, since you left this note, the article has been expanded to a point that is quite impressive -- this is an incredibly thorough accounting of the history of the paper. I was inclined to complain that the article has too many footnotes to the Collegian itself, but when I looked at how they are used, it seems appropriate. The level of detail seems well beyond what we expect in a Wikipedia article, but I'm not entirely convinced that's a bad thing. What do you think, now that it's been expanded further? -Pete Forsyth (talk) 05:19, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the response Pete. The main contributor of that article has been steadily improving it, and although it does seem a bit too detailed to me, I'm happy to defer to others regarding this who might feel its OK. I guess it seems a bit detailed because it's an article about a college newspaper, but perhaps that shouldn't be something not worth getting hung up on. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Journalists in Wikidata?Edit

Hello WikiProject Newspapers. I was wondering what level of Wikidata integration you are aiming for? I was toying with the idea of trying to organize and expand journalist information in Wikidata and was curious if that sort of work is in scope for this project? Gabrielaltay (talk) 16:23, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gabrielaltay: Thanks for checking. I think WP:WikiProject Journalism is probably the better fit for such an effort; WikiProject Newspapers was specifically intended to have a pretty narrow scope, not because related efforts like these are not important, but in order to make progress on a narrowly-defined problem. What you describe sounds like an important project, though, and it would definitely be worthwhile to drop a note here from time to time about your efforts, and how others can help. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:07, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Also worth noting, there is a Wikidata:WikiProject Periodicals on Wikidata as well. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 05:26, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: Appreciate the reply and links. I'm gathering some thoughts here Wikidata:WikiProject Journalists and I'll keep you posted. Gabrielaltay (talk) 01:07, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

trust.txt initiativeEdit

Scott Yates is launching a trust.txt initiative to help news publishers and associations express networks of trust online via simple text files (similar in design to robots.txt and ads.txt). Could be relevant for this project in the future. More info and the official file spec is here https://journallist.net/ Gabrielaltay (talk) 23:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Excellent initiative, will be sure to track this. Thanks Gabrielaltay. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:44, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Prominent news sources for each region of the worldEdit

Hi,

I was wondering, is there an overview of the most important reliable news sources for each area in the world? I recently had some conversations about territories and countries with less of an online footprint, and how sometimes it would be hard to find stories from those territories and countries because the news sources don't necessarily manage their archives the way we would hope they would. I was wondering whether we could provide a list of relevant news sources to the Internet Archive, and gently ask if they could give a little extra love and attention to those (I already requested this for two or three news sources that I use myself, and they were happy to). I suspect we may have to prioritize a bit and aim to achieve maximum coverage (so little overlap in coverage between sources). I was thinking to just make a list of one or two major news sources from each area we can define (lets start with the countries, but I'd be happy to work the way down to territories and maybe even major provinces/states).

Is there any list that you created, that could be helpful for this? I saw the general overview of news sources, but those don't seem to distinguish between major and minor. I would like to be able to go beyond what I can easily handle with my own language skills. effeietsanders 18:45, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Effeietsanders: Thanks for the note. I've discussed this topic with Internet Archive folks, but I'm afraid I don't know any straightforward answer. Thus far, this project has focused on U.S. newspapers; even within that narrow framework, I would say we are in the early stages of trying to which are the reliable sources. It's a complex question with many dimensions, no matter what the scope. However, I've just started meta:News on Wiki, which may be a better forum for exploring this, since meta wiki is better suited to collecting and synthesizing information from various languages. I'd be happy to discuss this in greater depth some time. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:49, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

New: Project page on Meta WikiEdit

I described the News on Wiki campaign to an international group of Wikimedians, and they wondered where they could learn more, especially concerning efforts that go beyond the U.S. and beyond the English language Wikipedia. It was suggested we start a WikiProject page on Meta Wiki. So I did; it will probably make sense to migrate some of the content here to Meta Wiki, which might also have the side benefit of helping to simplify these WikiProject pages.

meta:News on Wiki

-Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:51, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Return to the project page "WikiProject Newspapers".