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it's happening. game over?Edit
It seems to be happening to me now. I am being crushed at wp:ANI. I don't see anything I can do to stop it, or anything anyone else can do either. Now or ever. --Doncram (talk) 16:48, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- Hang in there, friend. Your efforts are appreciated. In particular, your HHA campaign has turned up many notable historic properties that have been heretofore overlooked. All of that said, the community consensus is clear that (a) any further HHA articles need to be supported by independent sourcing, and (b) the HHA site is not considered independent. If you were to succinctly state that you understand and will comply with this consensus, it would likely go a long way in defusing the discussion. Cbl62 (talk) 20:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks. I nearly did say a and b. I could say those directly, I suppose, despite being furious about those being imposed at ANI instead of being determined civilly at Talk:Historic Hotels of America, say. But do you really think any one would move? I don't think anything can defuse the situation. --Doncram (talk) 22:11, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- I think it would help. Cbl62 (talk) 22:14, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- I like the HHA article. It did have two problems. (1) the notes to yourself. I think it should have been a draft until that was taken out. (2) I was taken back by the HHA website wanted to book you into the hotel, although it does seem to have good factual information - I don't doubt that. I hope to get to Savannah in the next few days for photos. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:46, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Your post on the NRHP Project's talk page is perhaps the most blatant violation of WP:Canvassing that I've seen in 15 years of editing Wikipedia. I have deleted it. Policy allows you to post a neutral pointer to the AN/I discussion, and nothing more than that. You cannot plead your case, or indicate which way you want people to respond. Please read WP:Canvassing if you have any question sabout the policy. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC) Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Nomination of Delgado Street Bridge for deletionEdit
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Delgado Street Bridge until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. JTZegers (talk) 19:39, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
ANI Thread ClosureEdit
I have closed the ANI thread. You are now subject to an indefinite ban from creating new articles in mainspace or moving articles you have written to mainspace. You may submit draft articles to Articles for Creation for review by an independent editor. You are also warned that further creation of articles based on directory-style resource may lead to other sanctions. Barkeep49 (talk) 04:28, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, noted. That is about this closing by Barkeep49 in two edits(, of ANI proceeding titled "Historic Hotels of America". I disagree with fairness and wisdom of that ANI proceeding. I deeply dislike ANI itself as a fundamentally unfair venue and its usage as a bludgeon to beat up productive, experienced content editors (me, in that case) and newbies often, alike. In my case, given a complicated past within Wikipedia, once that ANI proceeding was started and accepted, the editing career I have had in Wikipedia was basically ended. My career, such as it is, has been sustainable for me in terms of being adequately satisfying, personally, and has been highly productive for development of Wikipedia (especially in terms of my pioneering and developing large areas of networked content, and in terms of my participating constructively as a citizen in the community in a number of ways). Oh well. I may or may not explain further sometime.
- It remains open to me to participate in Wikipedia say by restricting my involvement to non-mainspace venues like wp:AFD, wp:CFD, wp:ANI, arbitration proceedings, etc., which is a turn I have seen a number of editors take, when faced by a setback like this. For me, though, I have long had a balance, which is reflected in tool reports about which spaces I contributed to over time. I was willing to participate some in the overhead, non-mainspace venues and take on constructive longterm projects within them (not claiming to have had big successes, but I generally did have big projects in mind), but that was always balanced by my achieving some enjoyment by freely wielding my expertise and skills in content production, especially in pioneering new networks of information (in a new main topic article and related list-article and linked item articles and related articles addressing content voids that become apparent (like creating a needed architect article, which informs a bunch of the items, or like creating a new disambiguation page which has become needed). I am not now prohibited from editing in mainspace, but the ban now in place, besides being insulting and unjust in my view, would effectively hamstring me, directly preventing me from filling in, expeditiously, the obvious voids that need to be addressed in tackling any big project. Also the ANI judgement and ban firmly establish, or re-establish, a negative consensus about me, making me a lower-class Wikipedian, and more likely to be hit by further negative actions. So basically I do see my former career to be ended.
- I may or may not find my way towards becoming involved in Wikipedia in some other constructive way. I think it would have further fueled outrage in the ANI if I explicitly stated that I would retire if the ANI were closed as it has been, and I did not say so directly there. I do think it is most likely that I will effectively retire, either by withdrawing completely and abruptly or perhaps by just fading away. Hmm, for either way of retiring, I am not immediately sure how to do that, like how I might try to close initiatives I have taken forward instead of simply abandoning them, and how I might want to convey some messages to friends and others. This posting is not my final goodbye.
- I don't intend to have a discussion here, now, about any of this really; I am now in wiki-break mode and this is not the time for me and this public page is not the venue. Please don't anyone try to continue the ANI here; if there are comments made here along the same lines i expect I will delete them, as is my right. This is just a quick recording of some current views of mine, that I am willing to share to some friends and concerned others right now. --Doncram (talk) 01:41, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
DRN Volunteer Roll Call - Action RequiredEdit
There has been no roll call since November 2017 so with that said, it is time to clean up the volunteer list. Please go to the Roll Call list and follow the instructions. If no response is received by May 30, 2020, it will be assumed that you no longer wish to participate and you will be removed as a DRN volunteer. Thank you for your attention to this and for helping Wikipedians in their dispute processes.
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of CVU Member \ Chat Me Up at 12:08, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
For the record, I always admired your dedication to the NRHP articles. I think that body of work is one of the most interesting corners of Wikipedia. I love browsing lists of historic buildings in small towns I've never visited. Zagalejo^^^ 04:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Don't get discouraged about the hotels. A little work will fix them. The main article has already been moved to mainspace. I add new photos of the three Savannah hotels. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:41, 23 May 2020 (UTC)