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27 September 2020 – COVID-19 pandemic
COVID-19 pandemic in Australia
Victorian premier Daniel Andrews announces a plan to lift a nighttime curfew between 9:00 pm to 5:00 am (AEST) local time in Melbourne and ease many restrictions across Victoria, including returning pupils to school and relaxing restrictions on outdoor gatherings effective tomorrow. However, the state introduces a fine of almost $5,000 for those violating any gathering rules. (The Guardian)
24 September 2020 – Claremont serial killings
Bradley Robert Edwards is found guilty of the murders of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon in Perth, Western Australia, in 1996 and 1997, respectively. He is found not guilty of the murder of Sarah Spiers in 1996, and her body has never been found. Edwards is slated to be sentenced on December 23. (9NEWS)
21 September 2020 –
The Australian government reports that over 200 pilot whales are stranded off the Macquarie Harbour in West Coast, Tasmania, at least 25 of which have died. A rescue mission for the surviving whales is scheduled for tomorrow. (AAP via The Guardian)
21 September 2020 – Aftermath of the 2012 Burgas bus bombing
A court in Bulgaria sentences two men, a Lebanese Australian and a Lebanese Canadian, to life in prison in absentia, for their roles in the suicide bombing of a bus in Burgas in 2012 that killed five Israeli tourists, the Bulgarian driver and the bomber. The whereabouts of the men is unknown and they are the subject of an Interpol red notice. (AP)
14 September 2020 –
A man is in a coma after he was hit by a police car and kicked in the head by an officer during an arrest in Melbourne, Australia. Prior to the incident, the victim was being treated at a hospital for mental health issues. (BBC)

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Trove newspaper linksEdit

Trove's automatic Wikipedia citations are great, but would be improved if so many of their template-generated newspaper names didn't need editing to match WP titles. Is anyone in conversation with the helpful folk at NLA on this subject? I can't believe I'm the only one to see the need. Doug butler (talk) 01:58, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Have you got a couple of examples of the issues you're facing? Hack (talk) 05:52, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
I corresponded with them about eight years ago about this and other topics; Kerry Raymond might remember a conversation about this. Apparently the newspaper titles they have come from a database that they can't change for some reason. Graham87 08:49, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
There have been a few exchanges over the years on this topic. It always seemed to be "this is a task for our developers, and we don't have any funding for development". However, they do appear to have some funds at the moment for development, and WMAU was thinking of approaching them on this issue. So please if you know of any of newspaper names that need fixing, can you please email me at with the name of the current link they generate and what it should be (or what the options are if it is a disambiguation siutation). If you can give me the relevant newspaper title URL that helps too. They are more likely to be responsive if we can give them one big specific list of changes needed. My personal bugbear is The Telegraph instead of The Telegraph. If only I had a dollar for every one of those I've fixed ... Kerry (talk) 08:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
There are a bunch at Category:Redirects for newspapers on Trove but they are not really a problem as they redirect to the correct title. The problematic ones link to either a different page or a disambiguation page. I'm away this week, so would need to check my notes for those, from memory the various telegraph titles (Adelaide, Sydney etc) & The Australian (1824 newspaper) are similarly problematic. --Find bruce (talk) 10:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Kerry should have a good number by now, but here's one I hadn't seen before
Thanks, Doug! That format is ok. But no I haven't received very many, so please folks write here or whatever. Kerry (talk) 19:18, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
I think I gave you Evening News → The Evening News (Sydney) but I find their "Evening News" could also be The Evening News (Rockhampton) Doug butler (talk) 04:14, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder to go back and look at my notes. The irony in all of this is that where the wikipedia article exists, the Trove page for the paper has the correct link. The following list of A-C shows the scale of the issue. THe disambiguation links are less of a problem that the links to the incorrect article as they can are routinely detected. --Find bruce (talk) 06:54, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

problematic link Trove title should link to
Advertiser Advertiser (Footscray, Vic. : 1914 - 1918) The Footscray Advertiser
Advertiser (Hurstbridge, Vic. : 1922 - 1939) The Advertiser (Hurstbridge)
The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1889 - 1931)
note the Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1931 - 1954) has the correct link
The Advertiser (Adelaide)
The Advertiser (Fremantle, WA : 1921 - 1932) The Advertiser (Fremantle)
Advocate Advocate (Melbourne, Vic. : 1868 - 1954) The Advocate (Melbourne)
The Arrow The Arrow (Sydney, NSW : 1896 - 1912) The Arrow (newspaper)
Arrow Arrow (Sydney, NSW : 1916 - 1933)
The Australian The Australian (Perth, WA : 1907 - 1908) The Australian (Perth 1907–08)
The Australian (Perth, WA : 1917 - 1923) (RSL) The Australian (Perth 1917–23)
The Australian (Sydney, NSW : 1824 - 1848) The Australian (1824 newspaper)
The Banner The Banner (Melbourne, Vic. : 1853 - 1854) The Banner (Melbourne)
The Banner (Strahan, Tas. : 1901) The Banner (Strahan)
The Biz The Biz (Fairfield, NSW : 1928 - 1972) The Biz (newspaper)
Call Call (Perth, WA : 1920 - 1927)
Call (Perth, WA : 1945 - 1953)
Call (newspaper)
Champion Champion (Melbourne, Vic. : 1895 - 1897) Champion (Melbourne)
The Chaser The Chaser (Glebe, NSW : 1999 - 2005) The Chaser (newspaper)
Children's Newspaper The Children's Newspaper (Sydney, NSW : 1899 - 1900) The Children's Newspaper (Australia)
Chronicle Chronicle (Adelaide, SA : 1895 - 1954) The Chronicle (South Australia)
The Chronicle The Chronicle (Katoomba, NSW : 1929) The Chronicle (Katoomba)
The Citizen The Citizen (Port Adelaide, SA : 1938-1940) The Citizen (Port Adelaide)
The Citizen (Sydney, NSW : 1846 - 1847) The Citizen (Sydney)
The Colonist Colonist (Launceston, Tas. : 1888 - 1891)
Colonist (Sydney, NSW : 1835 - 1840) links correctly to this title
The Colonist (Launceston)
Communist The Communist (Sydney, NSW : 1921 - 1923) The Communist (Sydney newspaper)
Construction Construction (Sydney, NSW : 1938 - 1954) Construction and Local Government Journal
Co-operator Co-operator (Sydney, NSW : 1910 - 1917) ??
Critic Critic (Adelaide, SA : 1897-1924) The Critic (Adelaide)
Critic (Hobart, Tas. : 1892 - 1893) ?? The Critic (Hobart)
Critic (Hobart, Tas. : 1907 - 1924) ??
Daily Standard → The Daily Standard (Brisbane) Doug butler (talk) 23:57, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
The Daily News → The Daily News (Perth). Doug butler (talk) 22:08, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Standard → The Port Melbourne Standard Doug butler (talk) 01:03, 15 September 2020 (UTC) — from 1914–1920 OK as Port Melbourne Standard (same paper, new banner)
Western Herald → Western Herald (Bourke) Doug butler (talk) 14:22, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Request from City of MelbourneEdit

Emmuldoon from the City of Melbourne communications team made a request to edit City of Melbourne#Composition of current Council on 17 August at Talk:City of Melbourne#Edit request 30 July 2020: "Hi thank you for updating the list of Councillors. Much appreciated. There's a problem with the middle column of the table titled 'Party'. It lists some Councillors as 'Team Doyle' and 'Team Morgan'. This information was not there in the last [City of Melbourne communications team] approved update. It is incorrect as these parties do not exist anymore. On the City of Melbourne website, only their names are listed. Can this middle column please be removed or at least the references to 'Team Doyle' and 'Team Morgan'. Thanks heaps."

Please can Australian Wikipedians advise on best practice for handling changes in councilor party affiliation between elections. TSventon (talk) 08:11, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

very simple - either by the current version of OTRS system - or they can be provided on their talk page with the WP:COI welcome that is in twinkle which offers the strategies about 'paid' and 'COI' issues.
This issue arises so regularly on the Australian project - there is a need for a template specifically for the issue of 'updates' by people in organisations that have articles. It will not go away. JarrahTree 08:52, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
@JarrahTree: Emmuldoon has followed WP:COIEDIT by making a Declaration of COI and requesting an edit on the article talk page, but I am not familiar with Australian politics Wikipedia pages so I am seeking advice on whether and how to update the article in response to her request. As Robert Doyle has resigned it seems likely that there is no longer a 'Team Doyle' faction. TSventon (talk) 09:38, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
I suggest changing the column title from "Party" to "Elected under ticket group (2016)" or similar, as it reflects what the situation was at the 2016 election and can be referenced to the VEC results ("Party" probably isn't accurate anyway for some of these teams and groups). The other option is to remove the column entirely, which removes useful information I think... although the election is in October so it wouldn't be for long and when the new council is elected the column could be restored with the 2020 ticket groups. --Canley (talk) 14:33, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
@Canley: thanks for replying, I am happy to change the column title: "Group when elected" would be shorter. I will wait a few more days for any further suggestions. TSventon (talk) 20:22, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks all, I have now answered the query in line with Canley's suggestion. TSventon (talk) 10:18, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Exclusive economic zone of AustraliaEdit

Wikipedia is near its death. Where are the editors? A naughty boy has successfully deleted the article Exclusive economic zone of Australia after acquiring just one support in the talk page from a sockpuppet (User:I-82-I, now banned indefinitely). Any admin out there please help me to restore this article to its former glory. Thanks. 2001:8003:9008:1301:CD0E:CD14:AB99:BBA6 (talk) 13:28, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

I have reverted the edits made by the sockpuppet to the article and its talk page. Since the move discussion was closed by the sock, who was the only supporter, that means that the article and the move discussion have been restored. As a participant in the move discussion, the sock should not have closed that discussion. --AussieLegend () 17:14, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Legend, you are a champion! 2001:8003:9008:1301:CD0E:CD14:AB99:BBA6 (talk) 17:53, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
@AussieLegend: The guy who started the merge proposal is still going at it. He is still defending the sock puppet which makes him look pretty suspicious. He started the merge proposal on 2 August 2020, the proposal received no attention from the community. On 14 August 2020, the sock puppet came and pledged its support for his proposal, just two days before the discussion was scheduled to be closed due to a lack of participation from the community. On 16 August 2020, exactly 14 days after the initial proposal was lodged, the sock puppet closed the discussion and manually created a redirect by deleting the whole article. This looks like a planned action, a one-man show orchestrated by a sockmaster. 2001:8003:9008:1301:B4EE:DD6E:6A85:7A27 (talk) 02:43, 17 September 2020 (UTC)


It might be worth having a look at Bushfires in Australia for the talk page conversation about moving the article... JarrahTree 01:11, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

This stupid proposal pissed me off, mate. Kenwick (talk) 08:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
I have closed this discussion (due to snow keep vote). Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:05, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

National Colonial Flag for Australia dating from the 1820sEdit

I was surprised to find that National Colonial Flag for Australia has been tagged as unsourced for 13 years, so set about finding some. Unfortunately, I found the page on Australian National Flag Association has almost identical text to the original 2005 version of our article. I'm not sure whether to tag our article as copyvio, to assume the external site copied our text without attribution or that it is public domain text (they don't obviously have a copyright statement on their website, but should be attributed anyway). I can find a few other references to this flag, but very little that is clearly suitable as a reference for a completely re-written article. The article purports that this flag was created in 1823 or 1824, so did not represent anything like what we now recognise as Australia. The text does not mention that "Australia" in the 1820s did not have most of the colonies that went on to become the Australian states. The article was created by User:Steaknife, a blocked sock of User:Premier who is also blocked and likely a sock of User:Gloriousrevolution who was blocked for abusive editing and pushing the position of the Australian Flag Society Does anyone have a suggestion on how to deal with this? AFD? --Scott Davis Talk 11:26, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

On the Flag of Australia page we cite a Government publication about the National Colonial Flag (see Flag of Australia#cite_note-:8-33), so I'd be disinclined to use AfD, there are obviously other sources out there and the flag is notable. Deus et lex (talk) 21:01, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
First, no need for AfD, there are plenty of references in books and newspapers which show this flag existed, and was proposed by Bingle and Nicholson in 1824. Secondly, half the article is a quote by Bingle (which this 1933 article in the Sydney Morning Herald seems to allude to but does not directly quote) and it would be good to get a link or firmer citation for that—Bingle seems to have been fairly widely published in the early 1800s, but I couldn't find this particular publication (Illustrated Retrospect of Present Century) online but it could be in a library or other archive (SMH mentions Bingle's papers in the Mitchell Library). The National Colonial Flag flag was mentioned in Senate Hansard by Noel Crichton-Browne during a debate on the Flags Amendment Bill in 1988. Other books which mention the flag include Flags of the Night Sky: When Astronomy Meets National Pride (2013) by André G. Bordeleau; Flag of Stars (1966) by Frank Cayley; Doctor Karl's Australia: Great Australian Facts & Firsts by Karl Kruszelnicki; Debrett's Handbook of Australia and New Zealand (1984); The World Encyclopedia Of Flags (2003) and Flags of the World: An Illustrated Guide to Contemporary Flags (2000) by Alfred Znamierowski. May not be enough for a big rewrite but we can at least reference some or all of the statements, and many of these references pre-date Wikipedia so no chance that they used this article as a reference. --Canley (talk) 00:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
My "AFD" remark was intended in the sense of "blow it away and start again". Clearly it exists, and something like it existed since that time. This page casts some doubt on exactly what it looked like at the time. I am a bit concerned about the statement that it was the forerunner of Australian flag designs. What "nation" was identified by the "national colonial flag" in the mid 1820s. It seems to have been the nation of New South Wales, which included (some of) the Nineteen Counties, possibly Moreton Bay Penal Settlement, Van Diemen's Land, Norfolk Island and perhaps the northern part of New Zealand. --Scott Davis Talk 00:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes, good points. I also find the lack of contemporary illustrations of the actual flag a little concerning. Related to your point about the composition of the "nation"–I think it's unlikely the stars on this flag would be the seven-point Commonwealth Stars seen on this illustration, and are more likely to have been five-pointed stars as per the "American notions" that Bingle mentions or the New Zealand flag. Strike that, they are eight-pointed and that seems to be possible to reference, but would love to see an illustration. --Canley (talk) 01:21, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Trove seems to have five Sydney newspapers from that decade and nine from Tasmania (some seem to be mergers and splits). An article from 1929 (published in both Hobart and Sydney) talks about the British flag at Swan River Colony, not the Colonial National Flag.[1][2] I accept that something called the Colonial National Flag existed, with a little doubt as to its exact form and if there was only one. I have less faith that it was a forerunner of the Australian flag. It is claimed to have been accepted by Governor (of New South Wales) Brisbane, but the blog at CRW Flags seems to have done some research and failed to find evidence of Brisbane having endorsed it.[3] --Scott Davis Talk 12:15, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Should the flag be removed from Template:Country data Australia then? It seems to be used quite a lot by people assuming that it was an official flag, but given the lack of evidence for use I'm inclined to support removal. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 10:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC)


  1. ^ "SWAN RIVER". The Hobart Town Courier. II, (92). Tasmania, Australia. 18 July 1829. p. 1. Retrieved 24 September 2020 – via National Library of Australia.CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)
  2. ^ "LATEST ENGLISH NEWS". The Sydney Gazette And New South Wales Advertiser. XXVII, (1671). New South Wales, Australia. 1 August 1829. p. 3. Retrieved 24 September 2020 – via National Library of Australia.CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)
  3. ^ MacDonald, Ian (14 June 2019). "National Colonial Flag (Australia)". FOTW Flags of the World. CRW Flags.

Andrew Hastie (politician)Edit

There has been some unusual activity at this biography that editors here may want to take a look at. There has been a push by some with accounts created around June 2020 and later to include content promotional and personally detailed of the subject, and from many sources by the subject himself and sources close to the subject. Onetwothreeip (talk) 06:03, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

On this topic, was Hastie's section relating to the "severed hands incident" ever that small and insignificant? Despite the significant coverage, and all these new additions by these editors, there's only a tiny section about how Hastie "was met with media criticism about the "severed hands" incident". He was a significant player in the event as revealed by the Afghan Files, being the person to sound the alarm that one of his soldiers was committing war crimes. Catiline52 (talk) 06:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
One of the editors that is continually editing the page is "a very junior staffer working in the Australia political space". This seems like a potential WP:COI issue, they haven't disclosed who they work for and they're heavily editing this one page. Catiline52 (talk) 07:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
There doesn't appear to be much in the media about it. There doesn't appear to be more to it than a soldier, or potentially soldiers, had removed hands from corpses, and that this was something Hastie reported and told soldiers not to do again. This was a matter that was covered by the media in 2015 and again in 2017. Probably an open question as to how much weight we give this.
That particular editor has stated they work for various federal MPs, but have not said which. Onetwothreeip (talk) 07:15, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
On that basis alone - I have added WP:COI at the talk page. JarrahTree 11:03, 28 September 2020 (UTC)