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Administrators' newsletter – May 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2019).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • XTools Admin Stats, a tool to list admins by administrative actions, has been revamped to support more types of log entries such as AbuseFilter changes. Two additional tools have been integrated into it as well: Steward Stats and Patroller Stats.


  • In response to the continuing compromise of administrator accounts, the Arbitration Committee passed a motion amending the procedures for return of permissions (diff). In such cases, the committee will review all available information to determine whether the administrator followed "appropriate personal security practices" before restoring permissions; administrators found failing to have adequately done so will not be resysopped automatically. All current administrators have been notified of this change.
  • Following a formal ratification process, the arbitration policy has been amended (diff). Specifically, the two-thirds majority required to remove or suspend an arbitrator now excludes (1) the arbitrator facing suspension or removal, and (2) any inactive arbitrator who does not respond within 30 days to attempts to solicit their feedback on the resolution through all known methods of communication.


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:37, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Otan (disambiguation)


A tag has been placed on Otan (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

This should be a disambiguation page not an article about "Otan" --Braganza (talk) 20:27, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, pages that meet certain criteria may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Braganza (talk) 20:31, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

  • @Braganza:, you don't need to delete the redirect to create a disambiguation page at this title. You can just edit the page and make it a disambiguation page. bd2412 T 20:58, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Category redirects

Please stop with the Native American redirects and see the discussion I pinged you in. This is a mess. I asked you to self-revert but I'm going to start cleaning this up. We reached consensus on this at the wikiproject. - CorbieV 02:15, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, don't revert. I've started the cleanup and at this point self-reverting would make it worse. Just don't do any more on this, please. - CorbieV 02:58, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
@CorbieVreccan: First of all, I received no ping. If you pinged RussBot, I wouldn't see that.
Second, from looking at your contributions, I guess that you're talking about edits like this one. RussBot changed the category on that page because Category:American people of Native American descent is a redirect to Category:American people who self-identify as being of Native American descent. I didn't create that redirect (and personally I don't think it makes much sense), but as long as it is there, the bot will continue to move all pages out of the redirected category and into the target category. If you don't like that, don't blame the bot, change the redirect. Just like, if there's a road sign that says "Right Turn Only", don't blame drivers for turning right! --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:53, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
You control the bot, right? I've fixed the ping. I don't know how bots work but this is the discussion: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 23#Category:American people who self-identify as being of Native American descent. Please, this is already a ton of work for a very small group of us. Please help us rather than making the situation worse. Best, - CorbieV 17:10, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
I looked again. You're allowing the bot to revert all the cleanup I did. You need to revert this. Please, this is a MESS. - CorbieV 17:12, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
I rolled it all back. If you can't control your own bot, unplug it. - CorbieV 18:39, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
R'n'B, I realize your bot has been around a long time (2007) but we are in the process of cleaning these cats up. Yeah some are still on the redirect page and discussions are ongoing. Just because the bot is supposed to do this doesn't mean it is helpful in this instance while we are still seeking consensus. We will probably merge these Tribal cats with subcats of "People of Native American descent". This will take some time. I'd like to remind you that RussBot still needs to adhere to Bot Policy and specifically Categorization of people, even in redirects. I don't want to hit the emergency stop button but this is disruptive and unhelpful to other editors at the current time. Thanks for your consideration. Cheers, Mark Ironie (talk) 19:10, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Well, I explained exactly why these edits were occurring and what needed to be done to stop them, but neither of you could be bothered to do it, so I did it myself. And I know I really shouldn't say this, but there is a little irony that Mark Ironie is the user who created the redirect that is the source of the problem, yet is complaining to me about its effects. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:24, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing it, Russ. I didn't change the code, and if I'd known how to fix it myself I would have done so. It was late at night when I spotted the problem and I was very tired. I was too worn out to even find the shut-off button for the bot. The cleanup a small group of us have been doing on a massive number of articles and cat pages affected by these neglected, sloppy cats and overlapping messed-up pages has been tedious and wearying, so I apologize for the mood I was in. Again, thank you for finally fixing it. - CorbieV 17:56, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Yep, I'm full to the brim with the irony. I'm not always able to get to projects like this immediately. I have many real world things I need to do every day so finding a block of time to do this can be difficult. I know I created the conflict with RussBot by my delay in creating/moving the subcats at the time. I'm working on it today. Thank you for your patience. It should be done by the end of the day. Cheers, Mark Ironie (talk) 19:42, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Mordhau (disambiguation) listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Mordhau (disambiguation). Since you had some involvement with the Mordhau (disambiguation) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:31, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

@Shhhnotsoloud: That page has an {{rfd}} template on it, but it’s not listed on the day’s discussion log. Did you put template on the wrong page? —R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:28, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I was using Twinkle and nominated Mordhau (disambiguation) by mistake, deleted the entry at RfD, then nominated what I meant to nominate in the first place (Mordhaus), leaving behind things Twinkle did (including this notice). Thanks for bearing with me! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:08, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Bot alteration request

Request to alter the bot so it does not automatically link British to United Kingdom. This is not always appropriate. For example, the bot linked the nationality of British for Effie Gray to the United Kingdom. However, this is not appropriate as the United Kingdom that was linked did not exist during the time she was alive (the United Kingdom existed as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland during the time she was alive). These are not one and the same and are two separate pages. The term British is also falls under MOS:OVERLINK, where most people will understand its broad definition and therefore doesn't need to be linked to the United Kingdom anyway. Helper201 (talk) 06:25, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

  Done R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:44, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Hatnote task

Please pass on my thanks to RussBot for its many INTDAB fixes. Thank you especially for the clear explanation at User:RussBot#About the hatnote task, which I'll link to the next time someone decides that my similar manual edits should be reverted. A couple of figures could do with updating: we're now up to 180,000 disambiguation pages but down to 5,000 bad links, quite an improvement from when you wrote that summary. Certes (talk) 19:55, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Hear, hear! bd2412 T 21:10, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2019).

  Administrator changes

  AndonicConsumed CrustaceanEnigmamanEuryalusEWS23HereToHelpNv8200paPeripitusStringTheory11Vejvančický

  CheckUser changes


  Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC seeks to clarify whether WP:OUTING should include information on just the English Wikipedia or any Wikimedia project.
  • An RfC on WT:RfA concluded that Requests for adminship and bureaucratship are discussions seeking to build consensus.
  • An RfC proposal to make the templates for discussion (TfD) process more like the requested moves (RM) process, i.e. "as a clearinghouse of template discussions", was closed as successful.

  Technical news

  • The CSD feature of Twinkle now allows admins to notify page creators of deletion if the page had not been tagged. The default behavior matches that of tagging notifications, and replaces the ability to open the user talk page upon deletion. You can customize which criteria receive notifications in your Twinkle preferences: look for Notify page creator when deleting under these criteria.
  • Twinkle's d-batch (batch delete) feature now supports deleting subpages (and related redirects and talk pages) of each page. The pages will be listed first but use with caution! The und-batch (batch undelete) option can now also restore talk pages.


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:48, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Michael horse

Michael horse was born at saint joseph hospital in Burbank California in 1950, not 1949. Michael lived in Sun Valley California from 1950-2001. He attended Glenwood Elementary School, Sun Valley Junior High School and then Polytechnic High School. He never lived in Arizona and he is French, Armenian along with other nationalities. I grew up with Michael on Sancola Avenue in sun Valley and pretty much everything on his website is made up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1010:B109:284D:5C30:1970:DC4A:AE (talk) 18:32, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2019).

  Administrator changes

  28bytesAd OrientemAnsh666BeeblebroxBoing! said ZebedeeBU Rob13Dennis BrownDeorDoRDFloquenbeam1Flyguy649Fram2GadfiumGB fanJonathunderKusmaLectonarMoinkMSGJNickOd MishehuRamaSpartazSyrthissTheDJWJBscribe
1Floquenbeam's access was removed, then restored, then removed again.
2Fram's access was removed, then restored, then removed again.

  Guideline and policy news

  • In a related matter, the account throttle has been restored to six creations per day as the mitigation activity completed.

  Technical news

  • The Wikimedia Foundation's Community health initiative plans to design and build a new user reporting system to make it easier for people experiencing harassment and other forms of abuse to provide accurate information to the appropriate channel for action to be taken. Community feedback is invited.


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:20, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Five years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:03, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Aspredo (disambiguation) listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Aspredo (disambiguation). Since you had some involvement with the Aspredo (disambiguation) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Plantdrew (talk) 21:33, 11 July 2019 (UTC)


Where are you from ?? Political 10:24, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Deep water blackout

I cleaned up Deep water blackout for MOS:DAB. I'll let you remove the cleanup tag if happy./ Ex nihil (talk) : Ex nihil (talk) 12:16, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2019).

  Guideline and policy news



  • Following a research project on masking IP addresses, the Foundation is starting a new project to improve the privacy of IP editors. The result of this project may significantly change administrative and counter-vandalism workflows. The project is in the very early stages of discussions and there is no concrete plan yet. Admins and the broader community are encouraged to leave feedback on the talk page.
  • The new page reviewer right is bundled with the admin tool set. Many admins regularly help out at Special:NewPagesFeed, but they may not be aware of improvements, changes, and new tools for the Curation system. Stay up to date by subscribing here to the NPP newsletter that appears every two months, and/or putting the reviewers' talk page on your watchlist.

    Since the introduction of temporary user rights, it is becoming more usual to accord the New Page Reviewer right on a probationary period of 3 to 6 months in the first instance. This avoids rights removal for inactivity at a later stage and enables a review of their work before according the right on a permanent basis.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:24, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Bots Newsletter, August 2019

Bots Newsletter, August 2019


Here is the 7th issue of the Bots Newsletter, a lot happened since last year's newsletter! You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future newsletters by adding/removing your name from this list.

Highlights for this newsletter include:

  • Nothing of note happened. Just like we like it.

BAG members are expected to be active on Wikipedia to have their finger on the pulse of the community. After two years without any bot-related activity (such as posting on bot-related pages, posting on a bot's talk page, or operating a bot), BAG members will be retired from BAG following a one-week notice. Retired members can re-apply for BAG membership as normal if they wish to rejoin the BAG.

We thank former members for their service and wish Madman a happy retirement. We note that Madman and BU Rob13 were not inactive and could resume their BAG positions if they so wished, should their retirements happens to be temporary.


Two new entries feature in the bots dictionary

  • Activity requirements: BAG members now have an activity requirement. The requirements are very light, one only needs to be involved in a bot-related area at some point within the last two years. For purpose of meeting these requirements, discussing a bot-related matter anywhere on Wikipedia counts, as does operating a bot (RFC).
  • Copyvio flag: Bot accounts may be additionally marked by a bureaucrat upon BAG request as being in the "copyviobot" user group on Wikipedia. This flag allows using the API to add metadata to edits for use in the New pages feed (discussion). There is currently 1 bot using this functionality.
  • Mass creation: The restriction on mass-creation (semi-automated or automated) was extended from articles, to all content-pages. There are subtleties, but content here broadly means whatever a reader could land on when browsing the mainspace in normal circumstances (e.g. Mainspace, Books, most Categories, Portals, ...). There is also a warning that WP:MEATBOT still applies in other areas (e.g. Redirects, Wikipedia namespace, Help, maintenance categories, ...) not explicitely covered by WP:MASSCREATION.

As of writing, we have...

  • 20 active BOTREQs, please help if you can!
  • 14 open BRFAs and 1 BRFA in need of BAG attention (see live status).
  • In 2018, 96 bot task were approved. An AWB search shows approximately 29 were withdrawn/expired, and 6 were denied.
  • Since the start of 2019, 97 bot task were approved. Logs show 15 were withdrawn/expired, and 15 were denied.
  • 10 inactive bots have been deflagged (see discussion). 5 other bots have been deflagged per operator requests or similar (see discussion).
New things
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These are some of the discussions that happened / are still happening since the last Bots Newsletter. Many are stale, but some are still active.

See also the latest discussions at the bot noticeboard.

Thank you! edited by: Headbomb 17:24, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

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"Iranian Turks (disambiguation)" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Iranian Turks (disambiguation). Since you had some involvement with the Iranian Turks (disambiguation) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:32, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Knights of malta

Probably due for unprotection. Srnec (talk) 01:10, 11 August 2019 (UTC)


I need your advice on Talk:Sinai, as I am in a discussion with a colleague about the primary topic of Sinai. You reverted that back to its primary topic some ten years ago. But the colleague seems determined to change it to a link to a disambiguation page, breaking hundreds of links in the process. The Banner talk 08:34, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Ten years ago, there was no justification given for the change. Now, there is. However, the discussion (such as it is) indicates to me that this is likely to be controversial, so the best solution would be for the colleague to start a WP:RM discussion (that is, proposing to move Sinai (disambiguation) to Sinai) in which we could get other viewpoints and hope to find a consensus. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 16:24, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2019).

  Administrator changes

  DESiegelJake WartenbergRjanagTopbanana

  CheckUser changes


  Oversight changes

  CallaneccFoxHJ MitchellLFaraoneThere'sNoTime

  Technical news

  • Editors using the mobile website on Wikipedia can opt-in to new advanced features via your settings page. This will give access to more interface links, special pages, and tools.
  • The advanced version of the edit review pages (recent changes, watchlist, and related changes) now includes two new filters. These filters are for "All contents" and "All discussions". They will filter the view to just those namespaces.



Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:37, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Death on the Nile

Here. Rusted AutoParts 15:38, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – October 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2019).

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following a discussion, a new criterion for speedy category renaming was added: C2F: One eponymous article, which applies if the category contains only an eponymous article or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories.

  Technical news

  • As previously noted, tighter password requirements for Administrators were put in place last year. Wikipedia should now alert you if your password is less than 10 characters long and thus too short.



  • The Community Tech team has been working on a system for temporarily watching pages, and welcomes feedback.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:55, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2019).

  Guideline and policy news

  • A related RfC is seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure.


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Category shortcut

Hi R'n'B!

RussBot recently changed the commons:Category:CV's redirection on Commons to {{Category redirect}} and the shortcut no longer works as before. Is this an expected behavior? -Mys_721tx (talk) 22:44, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

@Mys 721tx: I'll reply on Commons; but I do not immediately understand why the bot decided to edit that page last month when the redirect had not been changed in 11 years. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 22:58, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

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Google Code-In 2019 is coming - please mentor some documentation tasks!


Google Code-In, Google-organized contest in which the Wikimedia Foundation participates, starts in a few weeks. This contest is about taking high school students into the world of opensource. I'm sending you this message because you recently edited a documentation page at the English Wikipedia.

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