25 April 2024 |
Some things I could ponder or do edit
- Verify text–source integrity at malaria, polish DVT, schistosomiasis; User:Biosthmors/Jesus, MediaWiki space, WP:WEF, WP:Wikimania media at m:Forum, tidy Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Navigation, content creator help system that functions like {{help me}} but is for talk pages as a bare minimum, i bet something better can be devised, but it's a start; m:Grants:IEG/Backlog_pages_for_all_WikiProjects, m:WebCite 9-18, Sandy/Palilalia (Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-04-07/Dispatches FA process), default for mentions in notifications, a more useful notification use, WP:STiki, default course page optimization, Wikipedia talk:Online Ambassadors/Mentors, WT:E3, there should be a concise version of Wikipedia. Maybe a 100, 250 or 500 word limit?; more intuitive diffs (I changed no text there), will ease analysis of editor contributions (and grading); converting a wikipedia article or even a diff of one, into an open word document; contributions history of multiple individuals; bad bot?; WMF-defined RfC bounds; popular pages lists by WikiProject; wishlist; old ambassador update; PRN, PRN, PRN, inspirational video; student trainings; AMA software; file bugs youtube video for filing bugs? collect relevant bug narrative for extension on WP:Course page?;
- Education Program:Saint Louis University/Signal Transduction (SP13) · Biolprof (talk · contribs)
- Education Program:Alverno College/BI302 Virology (2013 Q1) · S L Seston (talk · contribs)
- Education Program:Marquette University/Neurobiology (Spring 2013) · MMBiology (talk · contribs)
- User:Drdemartino/PR Sum 2013
- Rbricker (talk · contribs) and Education Program:University of North Georgia/History of Torture (Fall 2013)
- Mckteacher (talk · contribs) and Education Program:McKendree University/PSY 153 H (Fall 2013)
- and Education Program:Georgia Institute of Technology/Introduction to Neuroscience (Fall 2013)
- pictures, add notes
- Mattvest (talk · contribs)
- Elisabeth Prügl (talk · contribs) and Ituta (talk · contribs): Education Program:Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies/Gender and International Affairs (Fall 2013), User:Ituta/Course page
- American Civil War Philiplevy (talk · contribs) and Apirok1188 (talk · contribs)
- Alas i am (talk · contribs) and Kenirwin (talk · contribs)
- WP:List of editors affiliated with assignments
- Education Program:Cypress College/100 (2013-Fall)
- Brooksky (talk · contribs)
- A page that quantifies the amount of WP:MED articles with templates, similar to Category:Wikipedia backlog and http://www.wikihow.com/Special:CommunityDashboard, (replace Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Cleanup listing and Wikipedia:Pages needing attention/Medicine), User:Rschen7754, [1], requested pictures (WP:MEDPIC and [2])
- WP:MED top 500, Help:Cheatsheet (and others), WP:5000 (the top 5000 articles and the WP:5000 header), Wikipedia:WikiProject Anatomy/Popular pages (top 500 for that project?[[3]] and [ User talk:Mr.Z-man])
- Improve the WikiProject Medicine page (User:Biosthmors/TestProjectPage) (include User:HotArticlesBot), WP:MED?
- 2013 goals: FA for DVT (finish addressing Wikipedia:Peer review/Deep vein thrombosis/archive3), GA for Malaria with Sasata (verify text–source integrity at malaria), GA for pulmonary embolism
- DYK criteria clarification, [4]
- One peer review a week, improve WP:PRV and WP:PRG further, a bot that asks users to ask volunteers if no review comments after a week, use User:EdwardsBot/Access list to message all volunteers, symbols at [5]
- User:Biosthmors/Intro Neuro and its talk page and User:Biosthmors/Neuroscience assignment and User:Biosthmors/Course page
- User:Biosthmors/Draft letter, malignancy, Rivaroxaban#Mechanism_of_action, Acute (medicine), third generation oral contraceptive, healthy diet, physical exercise, interpersonal relationships, parenting, global health, high-fructose corn syrup and health, adverse effect, gametocyte, malnutrition, pathophysiology, Wikipedia:Paid copy editing, nerve fascicle, WP:RECRUIT
- Help Wikipedia have real-time collaborative editing (to do away with edit conflicts like that) and multiple watchlists[6], easy link for questions
- User:Biosthmors/WMF noticeboard, User:Biosthmors/WMF noticeboard/Header, TemplateUser:Biosthmors/WMF Noticeboard navbox, TemplateUser:Biosthmors/WMF noticeboard navbox all, Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WMF noticeboard
- http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/School:Medicine http://blogs.plos.org/plos/2013/03/to-wikipedia-and-beyond-topic-pages-from-plos-computational-biology-4/ voy:Travel health
- Rosechiango (talk · contribs), Drdemartino (talk · contribs), SGL333 (talk · contribs), Dward2612 (talk · contribs), lukasaolson (talk · contribs),
- Trainings[7][8][9]
- Questions
Should venous thrombosis be a definition and a disambiguation to deep vein thrombosis, superficial vein thrombosis, and venous thromboembolism? Should superficial thrombophlebitis redirect to superficial vein thrombosis? Does thrombophlebitis deserve its own article? Probably more than phlebothrombosis does
Is the National Acupuncture Detoxification Association notable?
Potential secondary sources edit
- Darvall K, Bradbury A (2012). "Pathways for venous thromboembolic prophylaxis in medical and surgical patients". Phlebology. 27 Suppl 2 (2_suppl): 33–42. doi:10.1258/phleb.2012.012S36. PMID 22457303.
- Romualdi E, Dentali F, Rancan E, Squizzato A, Steidl L, Middeldorp S; et al. (2013). "Anticoagulant therapy for venous thromboembolism during pregnancy: A systematic review and a meta-analysis of the literature". J Thromb Haemost. 11 (2): 270–81. doi:10.1111/jth.12085. PMID 23205953.
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(help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) - Fox BD, Kahn SR, Langleben D; et al. (2012). "Efficacy and safety of novel oral anticoagulants for treatment of acute venous thromboembolism: Direct and adjusted indirect meta-analysis of randomised controlled trials". BMJ. 345: e7498. doi:10.1136/bmj.e7498. PMC 3496553. PMID 23150473.
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(help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) - Greer DM, Styer AK, Toth TL; et al. (2010). "Case records of the Massachusetts General Hospital. Case 21-2010. A request for retrieval of oocytes from a 36-year-old woman with anoxic brain injury". N Engl J Med. 363 (3): 276–83. doi:10.1056/NEJMcpc1004360. PMID 20647203.
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ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) - "Venous thromboembolic diseases: The management of venous thromboembolic diseases and the role of thrombophilia testing". National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence. 2012.
- Baglin T (2012). "Inherited and acquired risk factors for venous thromboembolism". Semin Respir Crit Care Med. 33 (2): 127–37. doi:10.1055/s-0032-1311791. PMID 22648484.
- Baglin T, Bauer K, Douketis J; et al. (2012). "Duration of anticoagulant therapy after a first episode of an unprovoked pulmonary embolus or deep vein thrombosis: guidance from the SSC of the ISTH". J Thromb Haemost. 10 (4): 698–702. doi:10.1111/j.1538-7836.2012.04662.x. PMID 22332937.
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- de Jong PG, Coppens M, Middeldorp S (2012). "Duration of anticoagulant therapy for venous thromboembolism: balancing benefits and harms on the long term". Br J Haematol. 158 (4): 433–41. doi:10.1111/j.1365-2141.2012.09196.x. PMID 22734929.
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: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) - Lijfering WM, Flinterman LE, Vandenbroucke JP, Rosendaal FR, Cannegieter SC (2011). "Relationship between venous and arterial thrombosis: a review of the literature from a causal perspective". Semin Thromb Hemost. 37 (8): 885–96. doi:10.1055/s-0031-1297367. PMID 22198853.
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: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) - van Langevelde K, Flinterman LE, van Hylckama Vlieg A; et al. (2012). "Broadening the factor V Leiden paradox: pulmonary embolism and deep-vein thrombosis as 2 sides of the spectrum". Blood. 120 (5): 933–46. doi:10.1182/blood-2012-02-407551. PMID 22496157.
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(help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) - Galioto NJ, Danley DL, Van Maanen RJ (2011). "Recurrent venous thromboembolism". Am Fam Physician. 83 (3): 293–300. PMID 21302870.
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: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) - Garcia DA, Baglin TP, Weitz JI; et al. (2012). "Parenteral anticoagulants: antithrombotic therapy and prevention of thrombosis, 9th ed: American College of Chest Physicians evidence-based clinical practice guidelines". Chest. 141 (suppl 2): e24S–e43S. doi:10.1378/chest.11-2291. PMC 3278070. PMID 22315264.
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(help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) - Ageno W, Gallus AS, Wittkowsky A; et al. (2012). "Oral anticoagulant therapy: antithrombotic therapy and prevention of thrombosis, 9th ed: American College of Chest Physicians evidence-based clinical practice guidelines". Chest. 141 (suppl 2): e44S–e88S. doi:10.1378/chest.11-2292. PMC 3278051. PMID 22315269.
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(help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) - Diab, Mohammad (1 September 1999). Lexicon Orthopaedic Etymology. Taylor & Francis. p. 373. ISBN 978-90-5702-597-6. Retrieved 13 August 2012. milk leg as a name for alba
- Sobieraj, DM (2012). "Venous Thromboembolism Prophylaxis in Orthopedic Surgery". Comparative Effectiveness Reviews No. 49. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality. PMID 22536611.
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suggested) (help) (public domain) - Rosendall FR (2005). "Venous Thrombosis: the role of genes, environment, and behavior". Hematology Am Soc Hematol Educ Program. 2005: 1–12. doi:10.1182/asheducation-2005.1.1. PMID 16304352.
- Kearon C (2003). "Natural history of venous thromboembolism". Circulation. 107 (23 suppl 1): I22–30. doi:10.1161/01.CIR.0000078464.82671.78. PMID 12814982.
- Incident vs. recurrent
- Key, Nigel; Michael Makris; Denise O'Shaughnessy (2011). Practical hemostasis and thrombosis. John Wiley & Sons. p. 48. ISBN 978-1-4443-5708-0.
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- Vandalism on medically-related featured articles
- [10] 37 min, 13 Feb 2012, Lung cancer.
- [11] 54 min, 6 Mar 2012, Helicobacter pylori.
- [12] 102 min, 7 Mar 2012, Schizophrenia.
- [13] 91 min, 30 Mar 2012, Coeliac disease.
- [14] 148 min, 12 April 2012, Menstrual cycle.
Miscellaneous edit
Vandalism on medically-related good articles 111 min, 8 Mar 2012, Hepatitis B; Bugs: [15], [16]&[17]; Promotion; Commentary on neutrality, A good contribution: Talk:Malaria/GA2; FA advice; From a reader, a thank you; [18]; assignment[19]
Did you know
- 01 May 2024 – Joel Breman (talk · edit · hist) was nominated for DYK by Thriley (t · c); see discussion
- 28 Apr 2024 – Boroline (talk · edit · hist) was nominated for DYK by Sohom Datta (t · c); see discussion
- 26 Apr 2024 – Josephine Kenyon (talk · edit · hist) was nominated for DYK by Xoak (t · c); see discussion
Articles for deletion
- 03 May 2024 – Medtral (talk · edit · hist) was AfDed by Schwede66 (t · c); see discussion (3 participants)
- 03 May 2024 – Khalifa Gul Nawaz Teaching Hospital (talk · edit · hist) was AfDed by Saqib (t · c); see discussion (2 participants)
- 03 May 2024 – Larkana Institute of Nuclear Medicine and Radiotherapy, Larkana (talk · edit · hist) was AfDed by Saqib (t · c); see discussion (1 participant)
- 03 May 2024 – Medixsysteme (talk · edit · hist) was AfDed by Pabsoluterince (t · c); see discussion (0 participants)
- 03 May 2024 – Minesh Mehta (talk · edit · hist) was AfDed by GobsPint (t · c); see discussion (1 participant)
- 02 May 2024 – Ab Sadeghi-Nejad (talk · edit · hist) was AfDed by UtherSRG (t · c); see discussion (4 participants)
- 01 May 2024 – XPANCEO (talk · edit · hist) was AfDed by JavaHurricane (t · c); see discussion (2 participants)
- 30 Apr 2024 – The Journal of Medicine, Law & Public Health (talk · edit · hist) was AfDed by Randykitty (t · c); see discussion (4 participants)
- 30 Apr 2024 – China and the opioid epidemic in the United States (talk · edit · hist) was AfDed by LegalSmeagolian (t · c); see discussion (8 participants)
- 19 Apr 2024 – Paulin Basinga (talk · edit · hist) was AfDed by Oaktree b (t · c); see discussion (5 participants; relisted)
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Proposed deletions
- 30 Apr 2024 – Sudanese tuberculosis outbreak (2023−present) (talk · edit · hist) was PRODed by Schazjmd (t · c): Lack of evidence of any outbreak; please see talk page for detailed analysis.
- 26 Apr 2024 – World Cancer Research Fund International (talk · edit · hist) PRODed by Ajpolino (t · c) was deleted
- 26 Apr 2024 – Cancer Prevention Institute of California (talk · edit · hist) PRODed by Ajpolino (t · c) was deleted
Categories for discussion
- 04 May 2024 – Category:Deaths from asthma in the Isle of Man (talk · edit · hist) was CfDed by Smasongarrison (t · c); see discussion
- 03 May 2024 – Category:Deaths from tabes dorsalis (talk · edit · hist) was CfDed by Smasongarrison (t · c); see discussion
- 28 Apr 2024 – Category:Donor conceived people (talk · edit · hist) was CfDed by Smasongarrison (t · c); see discussion
- 28 Apr 2024 – Category:Deaths from food poisoning (talk · edit · hist) was CfDed by LaundryPizza03 (t · c); see discussion
- 26 Apr 2024 – Category:Archetypal pedagogy (talk · edit · hist) was CfDed by Marcocapelle (t · c); see discussion
- 22 Apr 2024 – Category:Congenital amputees (talk · edit · hist) was CfDed by Smasongarrison (t · c); see discussion
- 23 Mar 2024 – Category:American geriatricians (talk · edit · hist) was CfDed by Marcocapelle (t · c); see discussion
- 22 Mar 2024 – Category:Australian geriatricians (talk · edit · hist) was CfDed by Smasongarrison (t · c); see discussion
- 22 Mar 2024 – Category:Canadian geriatricians (talk · edit · hist) was CfDed by Smasongarrison (t · c); see discussion
- 21 Mar 2024 – Category:Schools of medicine in Curaçao (talk · edit · hist) was CfDed by Fayenatic london (t · c); see discussion
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Redirects for discussion
- 04 May 2024 – Bedbg bite (talk · edit · hist) →Bed bug was RfDed by Plantdrew (t · c); see discussion
- 25 Apr 2024 – Sanju Bhagat (talk · edit · hist) →Fetus in fetu was RfDed by Utopes (t · c); see discussion
- 09 Apr 2024 – Kuru (disease (talk · edit · hist) →Kuru (disease) was RfDed by Utopes (t · c); see discussion
- 22 Mar 2024 – Psychological addiction (talk · edit · hist) →Addiction was RfDed by Hildeoc (t · c); see discussion
Featured article candidates
- 22 Apr 2024 – Dracunculiasis (talk · edit · hist) was FA nominated by Ajpolino (t · c); see discussion
Good article nominees
- 28 Apr 2024 – Boroline (talk · edit · hist) was GA nominated by Sohom Datta (t · c); see discussion
- 24 Apr 2024 – Exhaustion disorder (talk · edit · hist) was GA nominated by Draken Bowser (t · c); start discussion
- 16 Apr 2024 – Alexander Langmuir (talk · edit · hist) was GA nominated by BluePenguin18 (t · c); start discussion
- 28 Mar 2024 – Adrenal crisis (talk · edit · hist) was GA nominated by CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath (t · c); start discussion
- 22 Mar 2024 – Hepatic hydrothorax (talk · edit · hist) was GA nominated by Aeschylus (t · c); start discussion
- 06 Mar 2024 – Eileen Niedfield (talk · edit · hist) was GA nominated by Fortunaa (t · c); see discussion
Featured article reviews
Requests for comments
- 05 Apr 2024 – Havana syndrome (talk · edit · hist) has an RfC by Noleander (t · c); see discussion
Requested moves
- 26 Feb 2024 – Genital modification and mutilation (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Genital modification by KlayCax (t · c); see discussion
- 22 Apr 2024 – 2022–2023 mpox outbreak (talk · edit · hist) move request to Global mpox outbreak by Crossroads (t · c) was no consensus; see discussion
- 10 Mar 2024 – Trinity Health (Livonia, Michigan) (talk · edit · hist) move request to Trinity Health by IagoQnsi (t · c) was moved to Trinity Health (talk · edit · hist) by ModernDayTrilobite (t · c) on 02 May 2024; see discussion
Articles to be merged
- 28 Apr 2024 – Respiratory quotient (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for merging to Respiratory exchange ratio by Klbrain (t · c); see discussion
- 20 Apr 2024 – Chromosome theory of cancer (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for merging to Chromosome instability by Klbrain (t · c); see discussion
- 20 Apr 2024 – Fentanyl crisis in San Francisco (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for merging to California opioid crisis by Klbrain (t · c); see discussion
- 19 Apr 2024 – Rapid eye movement sleep behaviour disorder and Parkinson's disease (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for merging to Rapid eye movement sleep behavior disorder by SandyGeorgia (t · c); see discussion
- 17 Apr 2024 – Management of dehydration (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for merging to Fluid replacement by Artoria2e5 (t · c); see discussion
- 15 Apr 2024 – General medical journal (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for merging to medical journal by Headbomb (t · c); see discussion
- 01 Apr 2024 – Kenneth Charles Easton (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for merging to Ken Easton by Samoasambia (t · c); see discussion
- 26 Mar 2024 – Prophylactic salpingectomy (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for merging to Salpingectomy by Yutsi (t · c); see discussion
- 26 Mar 2024 – Salpingectomy (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for merging to Prophylactic salpingectomy by Yutsi (t · c); see discussion
- 18 Mar 2024 – Collaborative Care (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for merging to Integrated care by Mangocove (t · c); see discussion
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Articles to be split
- 22 Apr 2024 – State health agency (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for splitting by GobsPint (t · c); see discussion
- 20 Apr 2024 – Health department (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for splitting by GobsPint (t · c); see discussion
- 28 Mar 2024 – United Network for Organ Sharing (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for splitting by 45.26.61.142 (t · c); see discussion
- 03 Jan 2024 – Anisakis (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for splitting by Artoria2e5 (t · c); see discussion
- 17 Nov 2023 – Mycoplasma (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for splitting by Artoria2e5 (t · c); see discussion
- 27 May 2023 – Health advocacy (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for splitting by Felix QW (t · c); see discussion
- 31 Mar 2023 – Range of motion (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for splitting by Urbourbo (t · c); see discussion
- 02 Oct 2022 – Soft diet (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for splitting by AngusWOOF (t · c); see discussion
- 04 Jan 2022 – Arthur Neve (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for splitting by Breamk (t · c); see discussion
- 11 Dec 2021 – Care UK (talk · edit · hist) is proposed for splitting by Djm-leighpark (t · c); see discussion
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Articles for creation
- 03 May 2024 – Draft:Thomas F. Baumert (talk · edit · hist) has been submitted for AfC by Irenearrt (t · c)
- 03 May 2024 – Draft:Jonathan Reisman (talk · edit · hist) has been submitted for AfC by Reisman.jonathan (t · c)
- 26 Apr 2024 – Draft:Melville Sahyun (talk · edit · hist) has been submitted for AfC by Nuyhas (t · c)
- 26 Apr 2024 – Draft:PACE trial (talk · edit · hist) has been submitted for AfC by YannLK (t · c)
- 26 Apr 2024 – Draft:Carl Gierstorfer (talk · edit · hist) has been submitted for AfC by Arndt**berlin (t · c)
- 26 Apr 2024 – Draft:Lee A. Doernte (talk · edit · hist) has been submitted for AfC by Wixel owl (t · c)
- 25 Apr 2024 – Draft:Adrienne Cullen (talk · edit · hist) has been submitted for AfC by Janep1814 (t · c)
- 24 Apr 2024 – Draft:Roberto Giovanni Carbone (talk · edit · hist) has been submitted for AfC by Trafalgar54 (t · c)
- 22 Apr 2024 – Draft:Robert Colebunders (talk · edit · hist) has been submitted for AfC by OutbreakOracle (t · c)
- 22 Apr 2024 – Draft:Jan Poolman (talk · edit · hist) has been submitted for AfC by Wikicluck44 (t · c)
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Medicine edit
St. Peter's House Hospital edit
- St. Peter's House Hospital (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails GNG and NCORP. Nothing found that meets WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. Found routine local mill news articles, mentions, nothing showing this meets NCORP. Coverage found is mainly about the closing and possible replacement. // Timothy :: talk 03:45, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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Medtral edit
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Non-notable company for medical tourism. Discussed at Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board that it was set up by an SPA for promotional reasons. First AfD in 2009 closed as no consensus. Schwede66 20:52, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, promotion for an apparently defunct company. The website listed in the article (www.medtral.com) is dead, and a search for Medtral on www.mercyascot.co.nz returns nothing. I was the nominator for the first AfD for this article.-Gadfium (talk) 23:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Clearly promotional. Citations establish existence not notability. Appears to fail SIGCOV> DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 23:34, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Khalifa Gul Nawaz Teaching Hospital edit
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The press coverage received lacked depth or significance, failing to meet the WP:GNG. I don't see it passing WP:ORG either —Saqib (talk | contribs) 16:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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Minesh Mehta edit
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Written as an advert for a radiation oncologist. Possible COI edits by User:Anniyam and User:Pikar 81. GobsPint (talk) 09:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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Larkana Institute of Nuclear Medicine and Radiotherapy, Larkana edit
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The press coverage received lacked depth or significance, failing to meet the WP:GNG. I don't see it passing WP:ORG either —Saqib (talk | contribs) 14:50, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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Medixsysteme edit
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Spammy promotional page written by connected WP:SPA-contributors. Does not appear to even have a functional website let alone any rs's. Pabsoluterince (talk) 09:58, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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Ab Sadeghi-Nejad edit
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After the cruft was removed, it seems there's nothing that supports WP:NPROF. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment. No significant independent RS coverage that I could find. Only hits in WP:LIBRARY are his research papers and a quote in Men's Health about growth hormone therapy. His book is self-published and I couldn't find any reviews. That leaves us with WP:NPROF criteria. I think the research impact criterion is the only one that might apply, but I'm unfamiliar with the subject area so will leave that for others to evaluate. Jfire (talk) 14:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Jfire, others, I do not see signs of significant academic impact here. I see on Google Scholar several papers with a moderate number of citations, but in a medium-to-higher citation field. (Even in a lower citation field, I'm generally looking for several papers with more citations than the highest cited one I see of his.) Awards listed in the article are all WP:MILL, as is membership on an editorial board. I was cursory in checking NAUTHOR and GNG, but did not quickly see a pass. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 18:05, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Sadeghi-Nejad is one of the most notable experts in the field of pediatric endocrinology, globally, and his publications support that. A niche medical field does not have the same number of citations as more general research areas. In addition, the book Dreams of Persia is an important contribution to Persian-American culture and linguistic heritage. KatMaldon (talk) 15:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC) — KatMaldon (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
The Journal of Medicine, Law & Public Health edit
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Article PRODded with reason " Non-notable journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG." Article dePRODded by article creator who added several sources to the article, as well as links to the GScholar profiles of the editors. Unfortunately, none of the references are in-depth discussions of this journal and most are not independent either. The GScholar profiles strongly suggest that none of the editors are notable themselves, with the possible exception of one, but in any case, notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. PROD reason still stands, hence: Delete. Randykitty (talk) 09:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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I am writing to contest the proposed deletion of the Wikipedia page for "The Journal of Medicine, Law & Public Health." My argument rests on several pillars of Wikipedia's notability guidelines, specifically those related to academic journals (WP:NJournals) and the general notability guideline (WP:GNG). Here are the key points supporting the retention of this page:
1. Significant Contribution and Scope: The journal was established during the critical period of the COVID-19 pandemic with the aim to inform policymakers and appraise best research practices in the fields of medicine, law, and public health. Its interdisciplinary focus spans crucial areas such as epidemiology, mental health, emergency medicine, and medical ethics, underscoring its broad academic and practical relevance.
2. Indexing and Accessibility: "The Journal of Medicine, Law & Public Health" is indexed in WorldCat (OCLC No. 1427524091), affirming its accessibility and presence in significant academic repositories. This indexing supports the journal's credibility and accessibility to researchers globally, an important criterion under WP:NJournals.
3. Editorial Credibility: The editorial board comprises scholars who are actively contributing to their respective fields, as evidenced by their profiles on Google Scholar. This not only demonstrates the journal's commitment to high academic standards but also enriches its contributions to the academic community.
4. Publication of Notable Research: The journal has published significant research studies, such as those assessing patient satisfaction during COVID-19 and evaluating temperature measurement methods during the pandemic. These publications are indicative of the journal's active role in addressing timely and impactful health issues, aligning with WP:NJournals emphasis on the journal's influence in its field.
5. Adherence to Rigorous Academic Standards: It adheres to a stringent double-blind peer-review process, ensuring the integrity and quality of published research. This process is a cornerstone of scholarly publishing and supports the journal's standing in the academic community.
6. Future Directions and Potential for Growth: Plans to expand into cutting-edge areas such as artificial intelligence in healthcare and the legal implications of emerging medical technologies signal the journal's forward-thinking approach and potential for future impact on interdisciplinary research, fulfilling aspects of WP:GNG.
In light of the above points, it is clear that "The Journal of Medicine, Law & Public Health" meets both the specific notability standards set forth for academic journals and the general criteria under WP:GNG. The journal's contributions to its fields, its accessibility, and its rigorous editorial standards all argue against its deletion and for its further development and recognition on Wikipedia.hence: Keep. Andrewjenner75 (talk) 12:42, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm appreciative of your devotion to this subject but unfortunately, none of the above shows any notability and misses WP:NJournals and WP:GNG by a mile. --Randykitty (talk) 16:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for acknowledging the efforts to improve the article. I understand your concerns regarding the notability standards as per WP:NJournals and WP:GNG. However, I would like to further substantiate the journal's significance by presenting detailed evidence, particularly focusing on the impact and recognition of its editorial board, which indirectly enhances the journal’s credibility:
- Editorial Board’s Scholarly Impact: The editors of "The Journal of Medicine, Law & Public Health" are not only experts in their fields but also highly cited scholars. For example, Sharafaldeen Bin Nafisah, the editor-in-chief, is well-recognized for his contributions to medical law and public health, with a substantial citation count reflecting his extensive influence. Similarly, Abdulaziz Boker, known for his work in medical education and ethics, and Jameel Abualenain, focused on emergency medicine and public health policy, have publications that are widely cited, indicating their prominent roles in shaping academic discourse. Other editors like Bandr Mzahim, Abdulrahman Ahmad Alzahrani, and Khaled Al-Surimi bring significant insights from emergency medicine, health informatics, and public health advancements, respectively, each with a strong citation record that underscores their scholarly impact. Almost all of the editors of this journal have more than 200+ citations individually.
- Independent Citations of Published Articles: Several articles published in the journal have been independently cited in other scholarly works, demonstrating the journal's role in contributing valuable knowledge to the field. For instance, studies on patient satisfaction during COVID-19 and the effectiveness of temperature measurements during the pandemic have been cited multiple times according to Google Scholar, indicating their impact on related research areas.
- Indexing and Academic Usage: Beyond just being listed in WorldCat, the journal's articles are referenced and used by academics and professionals, affirming its utility and relevance in the fields of medicine, law, and public health.
- Broad Academic Discourse and Future Directions: The journal’s commitment to expanding into interdisciplinary research involving emerging technologies like AI in healthcare represents its potential to influence future academic and practical applications, aligning with the WP:GNG which requires potential for significant coverage.
- A book called "The Art of Emergency Medicine: A Practical Approach for Emergency Physicians" has been published in 2021.This resource is crucial for assisting emergency healthcare practitioners in navigating the complex treatment of both adult and pediatric emergency cases.
- In light of this additional information, I urge the community to reconsider the notability of the journal. The citation metrics and scholarly influence of its editorial board, combined with the independent citations of its articles, substantiate the journal's impact and relevance in its academic field, thus meeting the criteria set out in WP:NJournals and WP:GNG. Their collective contributions ensure that the journal remains a critical resource in the fields of medicine, law, and public health, enhancing its notability and justifying its presence on Wikipedia. Andrewjenner75 (talk) 20:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for acknowledging the efforts to improve the article. I understand your concerns regarding the notability standards as per WP:NJournals and WP:GNG. However, I would like to further substantiate the journal's significance by presenting detailed evidence, particularly focusing on the impact and recognition of its editorial board, which indirectly enhances the journal’s credibility:
- Comment: I'm appreciative of your devotion to this subject but unfortunately, none of the above shows any notability and misses WP:NJournals and WP:GNG by a mile. --Randykitty (talk) 16:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. No indication that this journal has gotten any significant coverage. Nothing other than the creating editor's opinion of its importance suggest it meets WP:NJournals. Getting an OCLC number is no criterion at all, that just means that at least one library somewhere has it in its holdings; it's no more a sign of notability than an individual in the US having a social security number. The potential notability of some of its contributors in no way suggests that the journal has inherited that notability; see WP:NOTINHERITED. TJRC (talk) 19:37, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, clear fail of WP:NJOURNALS, per RK and per TJRC. Headbomb (alt) (talk) 16:45, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
China and the opioid epidemic in the United States edit
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Page is a WP:POVFORK of the page Opioid epidemic in the United States, information from this article could be incorporated into that article, however creating a separate page just on this issue is entirely unnecessary when we already have Illegal drug trade in China. The contents of this article can easily be incorporate or are already incorporated into those two articles. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 01:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep This article on the smuggling of fentanyl from China to the United States is strongly supported by high-quality secondary sources that establish the subject's notability and significant in geopolitics. Sources such as the Brookings Institution [20] and the Council on Foreign Relations [21] provide in-depth analyses of China's role in the global fentanyl crisis, detailing the inadequacies in enforcement of regulations post-2019, and the shift in trafficking routes that continue to impact the U.S. Furthermore, the German Marshall Fund offers a nuanced view on the fluctuating dynamics of U.S.-China cooperation on narcotics, emphasizing the geopolitical complexities that underscore the ongoing challenges in addressing this critical issue [22]. We can't possibly cover all aspects of this subject in the mother article, which is already bursting at the seams. This is a classic content fork project. FailedMusician (talk) 02:19, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Then include it in the Illegal drug trade in China article. The first sentence "Smuggling of fentanyl from China to the United States has significantly contributed to the opioid epidemic in the United States, an issue that has persisted since the 1990s." reads as though China has been a major contributing factor to the opioid epidemic since the nineties - does not seem like a super neutral POV. Plus the article really only addresses fentanyl. Additionally not sure what the paragraph starting with "In a subsequent visit on July 6–9, US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen..." has to do with the topic. If you remove extraneous information it is definitely trimmable to a section in a different article - heck even expand United States sanctions against China as you have already been doing. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 03:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- merge back to main article Some of this material is already there, and the rest should be. I note also that the title is misleading in that it treats the foreign relation aspect in general, not just about China. Mangoe (talk) 02:49, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Illegal drug trade in China I agree with the nomination the content could be better described there, and having the content there gives potential for a more WP:GLOBAL perspective on the issue. Jumpytoo Talk 04:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge (partial) the subject is a synthesis and the article a fork. The China connection is already discussed in the main article. It shouldn't be much longer than that, but a limited merge might be ok. Draken Bowser (talk) 07:18, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Partial Merge I agree with Draken Bowser - also am concerned an independent article will become a possible POV content fork. I don't think a bunch of neo-cold-war anxiety will benefit a neutral encyclopedia. Simonm223 (talk) 10:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The Illegal drug trade in China is almost exclusively about the trade going on...unsurprisingly... in China. This article is almost exclusively about the impact outside of China, and the geopolitical consequences with the US. I'm not entirely opposed to merging but it would have to be merged into the right article, and I don't think there is one. This article has enough content to stand on its own, and it currently respects MOS:SO given that it expands upon info in a timeline section: Opioid_epidemic_in_the_United_States#2010s_to_present_(increase_in_fentanyl). The Opioid epidemic in the United States article is >13k words which makes it WP:TOOBIG for a merge that will respect due weight. Glad to see there isn't any 'neo-cold-war anxiety' present in the article when read. Tone is neutral and disinterested, in accordance with WP:NPOV policy. SmolBrane (talk) 17:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure if this is true - Illegal drug trade in China also addresses trafficking within the Golden Triangle and deals with drug treaties and other international relations issues. Furthermore, there is no page that is titled "Mexico and the Opioid Epidemic in the United States" or "Afghanistan and the Opioid Epidemic in the United States" - most of the stuff that is covered in the article could be summarized in a couple of paragraphs and placed somewhere else. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 18:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Partial MErge to Illegal drug trade in China, being judicious about what we bring over per Draken Bowser. Pinguinn 🐧 03:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 05:16, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital (Daet) edit
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Reliant entirely on primary sources. No evidence of notability * Pppery * it has begun... 01:55, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete no good hits on GSearch, GNews and GBooks. GNews Archives gave an article about the family of doctors who founded the hospital from a small clinic. However, I'm not sure that that is enough to warrant notability. --Lenticel (talk) 09:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete should have never been created. Catfurball (talk) 15:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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Paulin Basinga edit
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Appears PROMO. I don't see articles about this individual, only interviews or use of him as an expert on xyz health topic in various media. Odd that all sourcing here is from Nigeria, but none in the home country, possible "pay to publish" as we see typically in Nigerian media. I have my concerns, bringing ti AfD to discuss. Oaktree b (talk) 15:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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- I oppose!
- In the beginning, I read about him and his works. For clarification, it may seem to be promo but factually it is not.
- In facts, connectively, I read that in the home country he was a university lecturer, researcher and consultant. These can be limits to his articles other than interviews or use of him as an expert. But I considered it notable because he featured on international articles including those of World Bank and BMGF. It is referenced that later on, he has featured on other institutions such as Global Citizen and UGHE.
- I do not see any problem with sources from Nigeria because based on reliable sources, it shows that his work in leadership role at BMGF were about Africa and the biggest office there was in Nigeria.
- However, If we test him in Rwanda, below are some articles about him but there are in Kinyarwanda;
- Thanks. 6eeWikiUser (talk) 18:15, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oaktree b, a drive-by comment: are you insinuating that "pay-to-publish" determines the nature of Nigeria media. I can't see much coverage if not two from Nigerian source. Don't you think it's below the belt?
Back to deletion discussion! — Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 08:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)- I'm not sure, we see it all too often here in AfD; Nigerian and Indian media seem to have a history of publishing iffy articles on people with no relation to the country. When I see an article that's only sourced to Nigerian media when the subject doesn't have a connection to the country (or a partial connection), it's a red flag. Oaktree b (talk) 14:21, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- I never knew the story about Nigerian and Indian media, and I think we should not easily globalize because from this subject, mathematically, the sources from Nigerian media are less than 30%. 6eeWikiUser (talk) 11:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, we see it all too often here in AfD; Nigerian and Indian media seem to have a history of publishing iffy articles on people with no relation to the country. When I see an article that's only sourced to Nigerian media when the subject doesn't have a connection to the country (or a partial connection), it's a red flag. Oaktree b (talk) 14:21, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep There is sufficient coverage, and it does not matter which country's media covers it (or the language) as long as the refs ares reliable and verifiable, and there is sufficient coverage that meets our notability guidelines, and merits a stand-alone article, which this article does. Generalising and casting aspersions on a developing country's media is most unhelpful, and is contrary to the spirit of Wikipedia, and its goal in fighting against Wikipedia:Systemic bias. We do not know whether subject paid for it or not, and without facts, we should be mindful of casting aspersions on the credibility of others. It it is most unhelpful, and I hope the nom strike out that comment in their nomination and the response to Safari Scribe. I totally agree with Safari Scribe. It is unwarranted and below the belt.Tamsier (talk)
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Keller Rinaudo Cliffton edit
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The article has many issues for a BLP and feels like a WP:SPIP. The article already has a resume-like alert and the puffery alert (which is dated from 2021).
I would also argue that on the notability of this subject. This person's notability is not inherented to them by association with their company. The company is notable and has high quality representation in Wikipedia.
There are also a number of details that are not cited in this article and our major issue for BLP. Many of the citations also do not match facts in the source (example: cite in personal life). One source is just "Department of Construction Management & Civil Engineering" without any sort of information to detail whether this source is a publication, a website, etc.
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- Drive-by comment (no considered view on notability one way or the other): redirection to Zipline (drone delivery company) is surely a viable alternative to deletion. – Teratix ₵ 13:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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Ballmer Peak edit
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Not notable - the article is a 3 sentence stub about a joke from an xkcd comic, with two of the three sources used being from xkcd itself and the xkcd wiki. Doing a google search, it appears that there's little else about the topic besides the Observer article, outside of blog posts and other self-published sources. — Chevvin 22:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Distillery using this name, nothing for the web comic/meme thing that this article is about. Delete for lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 23:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge into a section in Xkcd due to being notable enough for one source. Not notable enough for an article. -1ctinus📝🗨 23:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Merge into the Xkcd article for reasons stated above: that multiple sources are used suggests the topic is notable enough for inclusion. RyanAl6 (talk) 23:44, 16 April 2024 (UTC)- Changing opinion to Strong Keep after the previously made points. As said before, the sources meet the notability guidelines but the topic would be difficult to smoothly integrate into the Xkcd article. RyanAl6 (talk) 11:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect: The page Alcohol-related brain damage covers the idea of the Ballmer Peak pretty well. Bluehalooo (talk) 23:44, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ballmer Peak is not mentioned at the proposed redirect target. Normally redirects should be mentioned at the target. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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Strongdelete – There's nothing here, just a single study and report that uses the term. Should not be merged into xkcd either, that article already struggles with the many things that grew out of xkcd over the years. (The Observer article technically doesn't even really mention the webcomic btw). This topic probably doesn't meet medical inclusion criteria; it's quite serious to tell people (based on just a single study) that drinking alcohol can make you productive. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)- As argued above, Merge is obviously the right choice. Athel cb (talk) 09:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Strong keep
- [23] is an academic study which news reports [24] [25] have entire articles reporting on wrt this term.
- [26] is another study which looks at the same issue and references the topic.
- There are plenty of reliable, independent news articles which define the term. For example Tech Crunch and Venture Beat.
- There are books which define and explain the term. For example How We Sipped, Danced, and Stumbled Our Way to Civilization, Do Zombies Dream of Undead Sheep? and The Healthy Writer.
- This has an academic paper, two news articles that cover that academic paper and many many many other references including books and another academic study. Way over our inclusion guideline. Hobit (talk) 14:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Hobit: That's a few more sources than I found. I'm worried if these tech sources and pop-science books don't meet WP:MEDRS... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 19:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Fair, but I don't think that bar is a bit high for an article covering a meme, even if the meme is health related. The point here isn't that it's true, the point is that it's a notable idea. And we prove notability by sources. But Medicine is something I've only edited a bit around here, so I'll defer to the experts. Hobit (talk) 20:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- WP:MEDRES isn't relevant because this is not a medical article. Per the lead sentence: "The Ballmer Peak is a humorous concept..." Dan Bloch (talk) 21:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Then why are we citing scientific studies? The Observer article seems to be presenting fairly direct advice: drinking alcohol can in fact increase your productivity. I recognize that this is humorous, but to me that makes it a scarier vector for misinformation. "We wouldn't have an article on this if it wasn't funny" would be a really bad sign. For the record, however, I don't quite know and also want to defer to someone with more experience in that field. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:16, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Fair, but I don't think that bar is a bit high for an article covering a meme, even if the meme is health related. The point here isn't that it's true, the point is that it's a notable idea. And we prove notability by sources. But Medicine is something I've only edited a bit around here, so I'll defer to the experts. Hobit (talk) 20:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Hobit: That's a few more sources than I found. I'm worried if these tech sources and pop-science books don't meet WP:MEDRS... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 19:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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Merge: leaningdelete. I don't think there's any argument that the above sources qualify this for GNG through SIRS. Let's stick to our scope and leave this to urban dictionary and the like. Draken Bowser (talk) 09:41, 18 April 2024 (UTC)- @Draken Bowser: Could you clarify how they don't meet SIRS? The books are are fairly short (a paragraph) but define the term with a bit of history so may well be significant. The other parts are clearly met as far as I can see. The news articles meet all 3. The research papers could be argued to be primary I guess, but "Primary sources are original materials that are close to an event". They are close to *an* event (their research) but are secondary in this context. Basically asking for you to document why you think GNG isn't met when we have 7 sources listed. Hobit (talk) 12:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- I consider it insufficient. Unless ctrl+f fails me it's not mentioned in all of the sources, and included in one merely as an efn. Draken Bowser (talk) 12:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- The bar is "multiple". It is mentioned in all but one. And that one is referenced by 2 of the others as being about this topic. Two of the sources are solely on the topic (with the name). Two (the papers) cover the notion in detail but only one references it by name. The three books all discuss it by name. Hobit (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- It's nowhere near in-depth. Draken Bowser (talk) 07:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- The bar is "multiple". It is mentioned in all but one. And that one is referenced by 2 of the others as being about this topic. Two of the sources are solely on the topic (with the name). Two (the papers) cover the notion in detail but only one references it by name. The three books all discuss it by name. Hobit (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- I consider it insufficient. Unless ctrl+f fails me it's not mentioned in all of the sources, and included in one merely as an efn. Draken Bowser (talk) 12:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Draken Bowser: Could you clarify how they don't meet SIRS? The books are are fairly short (a paragraph) but define the term with a bit of history so may well be significant. The other parts are clearly met as far as I can see. The news articles meet all 3. The research papers could be argued to be primary I guess, but "Primary sources are original materials that are close to an event". They are close to *an* event (their research) but are secondary in this context. Basically asking for you to document why you think GNG isn't met when we have 7 sources listed. Hobit (talk) 12:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Question – If merged into xkcd, what would the addition looks like. Would it be included in the "Academic research" section and say something like "A hypoethsized phenomenon linking alcohol consumption and productivity is named after an xkcd joke, the "Ballmer Peak""? Would such an addition be appropriate? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:17, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- It could go under the "Inspired Activities" section. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:51, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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- I'm saying that under WP:PAGEDECIDE, it makes more sense given the current sourcing to consider this a subsidiary topic under xkcd. In the future it might easily grow in significance to warrant a free-standing article. Scholarly articles are not the only indicia of notability, nor are they the sine qua non of freestanding notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Two studies into a specific type of influence of a depressant does not necessary make for a stand-alone article. I'm sure you could find a pair of studies for any part of the alcohol experience. The sourcing here is not comparable to our articles on Impact of alcohol on aging, Alcohol and cancer, Effects of alcohol on memory, Alcohol use and sleep, etc. It does feel like a subsection for Short-term effects of alcohol consumption if all we have is these two studies. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I created the original article. And with the help of Hobit‘s links in this thread, I added additional citations from Fortune, TechCrunch, and Venturebeat, including one where it was mentioned in an interview with Ballmer himself to bolster the SIRS case.
It’s not a medical phenomenon. It’s a satirical concept that is an Internet meme that has become significant enough that it is mentioned in multiple articles, including those that are about Ballmer (the one-time CEO of one of the largest companies in the history of the planet) himself. There is a news article (with video) on an event inspired by the topic of this article. If you were to merge it into something, it would be to Steve Ballmer, rather than xkcd, since the article coverage about Ballmer peak generally links it to Ballmer (in an interview, stock jump upon his retirement) and not around xkcd. But I don’t think it should be merged. I think it should just stay as an article. Jenny8lee (talk) 09:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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