Please add new discussions at the bottom of the page!

I've moved earlier discussions to archive pages (as listed below). A few of the items I've simply got rid of - if I have, it's simply that it was trivial and/or stuff which has been dealt with, and is therefore no longer relevant. The deletion is not a reflection of my opinion of the writers!

ArchivesEdit

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Ways to improve KaingaEdit

Hello, Grutness,

Thank you for creating Kainga.

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Dear @Boleyn: I did not create that article, I created a redirect on that page to an article which I had created at kāinga. Someone else later turned it into a stub. Also, with due respect, after nearly 15 years in Wikipedia and some quarter of a million edits, I have some idea how to create an article ;) Grutness...wha? 07:57, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
I will expand the article a little and add some sources. Grutness...wha? 08:02, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Smoke CommentEdit

Hi Grutness,
I hear we in Oz have become the 'Land of the Big Smoke', and have been 'sharing' it with you guys. Sorry about that! ☹️
I am actually sitting outside using the free city wi-fi, wearing a dust mask at this moment, and it is very smoky.--220 of Borg 04:19, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Yeah - we had a brown morning sky the other day, and Auckland's copped it today. Just gives some indication of how bad it must be across the ditch. Hope things improve over there soon! Grutness...wha? 05:48, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Well it stayed very smoky till later that night, but then cleared up greatly in the early AM(?) and is far better today (Monday 6/1).
I am about 110 km due west of a number of the coastal fires, so if an easterly wind comes in the smoke just flows in!
But 25 people (so far) have died, so the smoke isn't too much to 'endure', though apparently one elderly persons' death in Canberra is attributed to the smoke. [1] 220 of Borg 05:58, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for 1929 New Zealand cycloneEdit

On 12 January 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 1929 New Zealand cyclone, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that one person died during the 1929 New Zealand cyclone when a railway locomotive fell from washed-out track into the Taieri River? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/1929 New Zealand cyclone. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, 1929 New Zealand cyclone), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Editor's Barnstar
Dear Grutness,Thanks for your incredible efforts in editing and improving Wikipedia links. Mrloopitus (talk) 02:08, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! :) Grutness...wha? 02:10, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!Edit

Thanks! :) Grutness...wha? 06:48, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

EtymologyEdit

Hey friend, I reverted you on Berisha, because there was is bibliography that connects that name to a Slavic etymology. From the work I've done on Ottoman defters, I've never seen a change from /r/ to /l/ mid-sentence in Albanian. Nor is there some tradition that says that "Berisha i Bardh" is "real Berisha", or to any connection with "fair-skinned people". The Slavic Bel- in Albanian hasn't entered as "white", but as a term for a very specific breed of white sheep. So a "belja" for example refers to that breed. The Slavic term for white never entered in Albanian as a loanword that replaced that Albanian term bardh. For example, the Montenegrin tribe Bjelopavlići (descendants of White Paul) in Albanian is knows as Palabardhi. Lastly, the -ić suffix in Slavic, becomes -iqi in Albanian. -Isha is cognate to Latin -issius, which how Berisha incidentally is recorded in Latin. Best.--Maleschreiber (talk) 10:02, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

These are the reasons that make me think that what you wrote is very improbable, but I'm open to discussion if there is bilbiography.--Maleschreiber (talk) 10:25, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Agree with Maleschreiber. But actually all of the reasoning is kind of pointless because, admin or not, what you added was OR. --Calthinus (talk) 19:12, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Understood - though it's not OR. My problem is that I have read it in a book several years ago, but the title and authors name elude me. Grutness...wha? 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Tip of the hat to youEdit

Grutness, thanks for the heads up and your work. Brunswicknic (talk) 07:27, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

No probs - and thanks! Grutness...wha? 11:45, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

List of shipwrecks in September 1863Edit

The entry for 14 September contains an unreferenced entry for Spirit. Is this a vessel listed by Gaines? Mjroots (talk) 17:08, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I've no idea -: I was simply adding the Ingram and Wheatley information (which is all New Zealand-related) - I don't have a copy of Gaines. Grutness...wha? 04:29, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I'll have to trawl through the article history and find out who added the Gaines info. Mjroots (talk) 05:57, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Photographic pages, links, genres, structureEdit

I expect I was wronging you, please disregard. There's something weird or broken in the linking and finding articles department. Midgley (talk) 17:15, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Yup - it was nothing to do with me. No prob, though :) Grutness...wha? 04:56, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
I think the problem was that the link added to the draft article used uppercase for the second word. Links are case sensitive apart from the first character.-gadfium 05:45, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 

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Had to look this up to work out what it was. It was used in a RM discussion... seven years ago. I doubt it's much use any longer. Grutness...wha? 15:26, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!Edit

Thank you! Grutness...wha? 00:26, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

DiacriticsEdit

Hey G! How are things Down Under? I was just closing a bunch of stub proposals, some of which raised the question of diacritics in stub templates, and the only discussion of this I could find was in an OLD archive: here. The consensus seems to have been to form templates without diacritics with redirects from the "diacritical" versions. Can you confirm? (I'm gonna put a sentence on the naming conventions page in regard thereto.) Cheers, Her Pegship (?) 23:29, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Peg - not bad down here (spending less time online - looking after an elderly parent takes a lot of my time) - hope things are good with you. Yeah, as far as I remember that's pretty much it, or the other way round - doesn't really matter which. As long as the unaccented version and the "correct" version both link to the template, then everything's happy. Grutness...wha? 02:20, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Tool for finding city-basketball player intersection?Edit

Hi Grutness, I noticed that you created a number of city-basketball player categories recently. Thank you for this. Do you have a tool that allows you to find the intersection quickly? I've been manually sorting Category:Sportspeople from Los Angeles and other sportspeople from X categories and it is very tedious.--User:Namiba 16:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Namiba, yes there's a tool called Petscan which I use - it saves a lot of time. It also guarantees that I've got enough articles for a category before I start. Here's a link to it [2]. Grutness...wha? 02:28, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the link. I tried to use it but I couldn't figure out how to find results. Is there a how-to guide on using it? Can you give me a brief overview? Thanks for your help.--User:Namiba 16:33, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
sure - it's pretty straightforward. First make sure that languages is set to "en" and project is "Wikipedia" (that should happen automatically). Then just put two categories (without the "category:") into the category's field (e.g., "Basketball players" and "Sportspeople from Seattle"). Set depth to about three (so that it scans subcategories up to three levels down), and press "Do it". You should get a list of article names and links underneath. (in the Seattle example it yielded 70 articles). Grutness...wha? 03:20, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Category:Basketball players from ZadarEdit

Please stop creating these categories, at least for now. They are not helpful. I would revert you, but I am working to set up an RfC with Namiba on this. Thanks. SportingFlyer T·C 15:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Actually they're extremely helpful and I'm only continuing a scheme which others have already started, and with category types which recently passed CFD as keep. I'll pause for now, but since consensus is to keep them going, and since there's very useful on Wikipedia both for navigation and to cut down very large categories, I don't see any reason why you should want to stop them being created. Grutness...wha? 15:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I'll make sure to ping you into the further discussions. SportingFlyer T·C 15:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
@SportingFlyer:, can you please ping me too for the upcoming RFC? Thanks. - Darwinek (talk) 02:14, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Sure. I'm not sure it's in the cards at the moment (and am taking a break for the holidays) but I'll ping if I set it up. SportingFlyer T·C 11:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Thankyou for your vote on countries and establishment yearEdit

I have spent a huge amount of energy trying to improve this category tree and make it accurately reflect the situation on the ground when things were set up and also correctly reflect where things were set up. The fact some are trying to delete this huge tree makes me feel like there is an attempt to destroy much of my work helping Wikipedia. It is also odd to me that this proposal to delete can be done without posting notice on most of the thousands of categories invoolved.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:01, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

No prob. Grutness...wha? 02:42, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!Edit

That's 16 years. Mate, you've been around! Happy anniversary. Schwede66 07:27, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you! Grutness...wha? 08:03, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

 

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Thank you for the barnstar!Edit

Thank you for the barnstar, Grutness, it is much appreciated! Yes, I am fellow Dunedinite. I feel like I may have met you a long time ago at one of Mike D's fleeting visits? But it was back when I was brand new to this whole Wiki thing so I may be mistaken. Anyway, I am planning on working on more local content this year, no matter how much is done there always seem to be so many gaps! DrThneed (talk) 05:12, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

It's possible - I did go to a couple of those (one was at Otago Museum I remember). And yes, there's always more worth adding :) Grutness...wha? 11:01, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Stub categoriesEdit

What is the minimum number of stub articles for a category? From memory I think it might be 30, but I can't find anything about this. Is the number set down in a policy or guideline somewhere? Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:16, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Not as policy but as a guideline. It's usually 50-60 unless there's an associated WikiProject, in which case it can be as low as about 30. From memory, it's all covered at WP:STUB#Guidelines. Grutness...wha? 12:49, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:03, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 

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It's no longer empty. Grutness...wha? 02:39, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

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Refrencing of Mim bour Article improvedEdit

Hi Admin, could you review my article " Mim bour" and recommend for approval? Boadu Emma (talk) 18:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

OK - I'll have a look. Grutness...wha? 03:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Grutness,many thanks for your assistance.

You're such a wonderful Admin.

Mim Bour is on Google now. How can the star photo of my article appear after Google search?

Pls how can my Boadu Emma (talk) 12:36, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! :) Unfortunately I don't know how to get that photo on Google. Grutness...wha? 15:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Most grateful for your response Boadu Emma (talk) 18:26, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry to disturb you sirEdit

I just read more about you. It appears you're a very busy person since you're an editor of such prestigious newspaper.

Grutness, Please if you find any spare time, kindly attend to me on below two questions so I can finish up my next article.Boadu Emma (talk) 15:41, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

1. After getting the geographical coordinates of a mountain, Is there a special tool for calculating the height of that mountain?

2. After getting coordinates of two places, is there a tool to calculate the length or distance between them?Boadu Emma (talk) 15:41, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

The answer to the first question is no - you'd need to find a source for the height. As to the second question, there might be, but if there is I don't know what it is. Grutness...wha? 02:49, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Sir Grutness, thanks for the response sir. I asked because of the recent help you offered me on my article on Mim Bour. You provided the elevations of the mountains for me. So I was wondering how you got it and if you could share with me so it can guide me in future articles. Much love sirBoadu Emma (talk) 21:47, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

You can get an approximate height from Google maps' "Terrain" layer, which shows contour lines, but for anything more accurate you'd need to find a website which gives the height. Grutness...wha? 04:23, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Sir Grutness, I am most grateful for the assistanceBoadu Emma (talk) 06:51, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Urgent Assistance needed.Edit

Hi sir, pls I have published an article about Mim Lake.

There are certain dimensions which I will need your help.

Here's the coordinates of the lake =6|55|10|N|2|37|15|W|

Google image of the lake is online. You can use your expertise to obtain me the size of the lake. Boadu Emma (talk) 12:50, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Hmmm. I've tidied it a little, but unless there's a source actually listing the area, it can't really be added to the article. Grutness...wha? 14:49, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry sir. Saw your reply very late Boadu Emma (talk) 21:37, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

They are asking me to do some more edits and republish it for consideration Boadu Emma (talk) 21:39, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

If I get your point, you're saying for example, the place has to be indicated on a map as a lake before.

Hope that's what you mean sir? Boadu Emma (talk) 21:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

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CornwallisEdit

I can't believe we both made an article at the same time for this! I'll merge the content from your version shortly, but please feel free to keep working on it. --Prosperosity (talk) 03:38, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Coincidences happen :) I got a notification to a change on the Awhitu Peninsula page I'd made, and noticed that Cornwallis Beach was redlinked, so I decided to do something about it. Your article is a lot more thorough than mine - good work :) Grutness...wha? 03:40, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

unprotect articleEdit

Hello sir,

my english is not the best as my main language is swedish and serbian, and small russian but i recently came across a project called 'verdis'. its a micronation europe. (https://verdisgov.org/)

it looks as the past of these admin protected articles were heavily messed with by supporters and non-supporters of that movement, but it looks like they gained a lot of media attention (how i heard of them) and i was wondering if it could be unprotected incase they reach even larger media? pages: Verdis and Free Republic of Verdis

i saw them on sputnik, a russian owned news station.

here some links:

in past 48 hours: https://rs.sputniknews.com/20210919/za-liberland-su-mnogi-culi-ali-izmedju-srbije-i-hrvatske-je-nikla-jos-jedna-drzava-1129955656.html https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/osnovali-drzavu-na-nasem-spornom-teritoriju-cilj-nam-je-pomirenje-naroda-1524432 https://www.total-croatia-news.com/politics/56208-verdis-republic https://www.b92.net/zivot/vesti.php?yyyy=2021&mm=09&dd=20&nav_id=1925054

in past: https://www.rtl.hr/buzzara/virealno/3500391/liberland-20-kako-jedan-cetrnaestogodisnjak-stvara-drzavu-izmedju-hrvatske-i-srbije/ https://likaclub.eu/cetrnaestogodisnjak-osniva-novu-drzavu-izmedu-hrvatske-i-srbije/

i didnt search much but those are what i find.

could be unprotected incase someone wants to make article of it in the future? SandroFan91 (talk) 07:17, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi SandroFan91 - it's probably better to take this up with User:NinjaRobotPirate, who is the admin who protected the page. He (or she?) is more likely to know why it was protected and whether it should be freed from protection. Grutness...wha? 08:03, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
okay. thank you for your help sir SandroFan91 (talk) 08:20, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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Ironically, I was trying to correct someone else's link to the much bigger dab page Northland :). Fixed. Grutness...wha? 11:50, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Playground 52Edit

I was just reminded that a while ago you requested that I improve Playground 52 and I agreed to do so. I apologize for it taking longer than expected, but please take a look and see if things look better to you. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:41, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

I'd completely forgotten about that. The fact that the redesign won an award is enough notability for it to stay, I'd think. Thanks :) Grutness...wha? 01:17, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Faculty in Auckland categoryEdit

Hi Grutness, could I get your opinion on the container category Category:Faculty by tertiary institution in Auckland? I came across some problems when I was considering where to place Massey University staff who work in the Albany campus - they should be in this category, but placing the entire Massey category wouldn't really work for having helpful information, leaving me with a few possibilities:

  • Option 1: merge the Auckland category with New Zealand. Massey isn't the only institute like this - I know Canterbury has a campus in Auckland, and UoA isn't exclusively in the Auckland Region (e.g. the Whangarei teaching campus, although I don't think we have any articles on Whangarei staff)
  • Option 2: split the Massey faculty category into three sections, based on primary campus. For most universities you can argue that there's a primary campus, and for Massey this is much vaguer (centralised in PN, but the number of staff in Auckland, Wellington and PN are much more comparable in size. I bet there are even staff members who have never been to Palmy!). Option 2 would probably take a large amount of research and guesswork, and might mean I need to split other universities by location as well.

Since you made the category, do you have any thoughts or opinions on what might be the best option? --Prosperosity (talk) 22:52, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Hmmm. I hadn't considered that when I made the category, and you're right it could cause problems. The same would be true for other New Zealand centres (Otago University has campuses in Christchurch and Wellington, for instance). Personally, I'd favour splitting the university faculty categories, though that might be seen as overcategorisation. Might be worth bringing this up as a question on the talk page of WP:WPNZ. Grutness...wha? 01:48, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!Edit

Thank you! Grutness...wha? 01:46, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Penny Bright EditsEdit

Thanks for tidying up my Penny Bright edits. I shouldn't try to be so ambitious when I'm so tired! Hi from another Dunedinite. Nauseous Man (talk) 10:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

No problem, and thanks for adding the article. It looked more like tired editing rather than sloppy writing :) Hi from St Clair! Grutness...wha? 11:29, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 

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Hmmm. I don't think a colony's Chief Magistrate will fail NN. And neither does the person who removed the speedy nomination before I got to it. A bit overzealous there, Roger? Grutness...wha? 03:56, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Breaking editsEdit

Hello G, it appears you have recently made many breaking edits to the categories on numerous baseball and football player articles, so many that it start to look like a pattern of article vandalism. Could you please go back and undo those edits, so that other editors do not have to clean up after you? Thanks, UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:39, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi @UnitedStatesian: Other than the two copy-and-paste slip-ups you reverted (thank you), and that I have now changed to their correct new targets, can you point out any of the 3,000 similar edits I have made in the last week that constitute possible vandalism? With that many edits it's easy to let an errtor or two slip through without noticing. If you could list any you find here, I will gladly fix them. Grutness...wha? 23:27, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Not vandalism, but certainly an indication of carelessness. Here are just the first 9 additional ones that i found:
Please let me know when these are fixed; unfortunately given this error rate I now need to go through all of your edits to see if there are additional ones that are problems. Unless the above indicates a pattern to you that you can fix. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:13, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
  • @UnitedStatesian: All fixed, plus one more I found. Looks like I accidentally had "baseball players" saved in my clipboard rather than "Columbus, Georgia". Given that the Columbus, Georgia category only has three new subcats that should be all of them so hopefully there's no need to hunt further. Apologies. I shouldn't bulk edit when I'm tired! Grutness...wha? 08:42, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
    • I found two more:
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    • Thanks in advance, UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:32, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
      • Done. I'f I'm tired enough to confuse Indiana and Illinois, I'm definitely too tired to be editing! Grutness...wha? 01:08, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Kaikai Beach and Heyward Point (seeking sources for draft article)Edit

Hi. I'm currently drafting an article on Heyward Point and Kaikai Beach, in the Otago Heads. I've managed to find all kinds of fascinating stories about them -- but only on blog style websites which fail WP:RS (particularly the Geocaching website). Those websites do have a few scanty sources linked, but not enough to support anywhere near all their claims. I mean things like

  • The old Heyward Point lighthouse: I don't doubt it existed, but there's nothing in any published source that I can access online
  • Apparently the name "Purehurehu" has been shifted from one headland to another as a result of a cartographer's error?
  • Heyward Point for a while was called "Hayward's Mistake" after Captain Richard Hayward nearly ran into it in the fog?

Google has thus far failed me, but you seem to be someone with specialist knowledge on related topics. Where would I start looking for reliable, published evidence for this sort of thing? —VeryRarelyStable 03:06, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Are you a Dunedin local? If so, both the Dunedin Public Library and Hocken have good sources for that sort of information. Sadly, a lot of my information came from my friendship with Peter Entwisle, who passed away a couple of years ago - he was both a writer and publisher with an encyclopaedic knowledge of Otago history. The only printed publication I can find to hand at home which even mentions Heyward Point does say "On the point is a solar-powered marine navigation beacon. A rusting winch is the remnant of a cable system that was used to winch ashore acetylene bottles to the previous gas-powered beacon." - which does suggest a previous light, even if not a full lighthouse (the source is Antony Hamel's (2007) Dunedin tracks and trails. Dunedin: Silver Peaks Press. p. 6.07. ISBN 978 0 473 13772 4). If you can find a copy of that book, the same section deals with the Heyward Point walking trck, and there's also a section on the Murdering/Kaikai Beach track. Sorry I can't be of any more help! Grutness...wha? 07:07, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I'm a Dunedin local, and if you're who your userpage says you are, we know each other. I'm Daniel Copeland. I think I met Peter Entwisle on a couple of occasions, but not to have in-depth conversations with. Under Alert Level 2 I don't feel I can spend the time hanging around in libraries piling up books that would be needed to find in-depth information that hasn't been put online somewhere. So it might have to wait for a while yet. But thank you for your help. —VeryRarelyStable 09:20, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Ha! Yes - we've been on a couple of Gregor's walks together, among other things. Actually, he might have an idea where to find some info, too. Grutness...wha? 09:24, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Another breaking editEdit

See this one Please fix. And brew up some coffee if tired. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

euh. Done. Sorry! Grutness...wha? 00:03, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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Overcategorizing on a massive scaleEdit

If you move any type of athletes into a category for that type of athlete from Foo, take for instance here[3], you need to do it properly. You're doing it wrong when you just move the person from baseball players from Louisiana to baseball players from New Orleans without removing Sportspeople from New Orleans from that person's page. Which is what you did with Pollet. So are you going to go back and make these fixes? I bet there are hundreds or more articles that are overcategorized now since I'm seeing the problem with New Orleans and Baton Rogue....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:09, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@WilliamJE: Yes, this situation has been deliberately done on some 7,000 articles, and for a very good reason. Category:Sportspeople from New Orleans was deliberately left on the page in addition to Category:Baseball players from New Orleans because Pollet was not just a player but also a coach. This is standard practice across recategorisation schemes such as this one, in order to still have the person searchable as a sportsman involved in other activities than simply playing a sport, and also making it easier to later recategorise if and when a Category:Baseball coaches from New Orleans category gets made (which it probably will - I'll be dealing with coach categories once I finish player ones). Do you want to remove the fact that he was a coach from New Orleans? Please don't "correct" this situation - it'll just create a huge mess of work to go through later. PS - Ironically, the majority of categorisation edits I've been doing on this project have reduced the numbers of categories on articles, so it's hardly going to result in much of an overcategorisation problem. Grutness...wha? 15:42, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
@WilliamJE:. Please try reading what I wrote before doing a knee-jerk reversion of my edits. Grutness...wha? 15:48, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
You created the huge mess. It doesn't make any difference he was both a player and a coach. He was a baseball player. Baseball players is a subcategory of sportspeople. People entries don't go in both. Paul Groves (footballer) is both a player and a manager.(In soccer, they are called managers) He is a football player from Derby. He is in that category. Groves isn't in Sportspeople from Derby Natalia Gómez Junco is a footballer from Mexico City who is also a manager. She's in Footballers from Mexico City and isn't in Sportspeople from Mexico City It is the same with any occupation. @Liz: can you chime in....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:05, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
What I'm doing is the same as for anyone who has two different occupations - and was already the way for many of the sportspeople I've catalogues at a state level. Look at, for example, the first ten people in Category:Baseball coaches from Oklahoma. Nine of them are also in Category:Baseball players from Oklahoma, because they were both players and coaches. If any of them are from Oklahoma City, do you want me to change the player category to the city category but not acknowledge they were coaches, or change the coach category to the city and not acknowledge the player category? As things stand, I'm changing the player categories and once that's done I'll be changing the coaching categories once that task is finished (it's about 2/3 of the way through). If I did the task the way you want it done, then either these people would not be recognised as coaches or it would become a much more difficult task to go through and deal with the coach-by-city categories. Grutness...wha? 02:54, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
If I may chip in, your approach is completely logical, Grutness. Schwede66 07:54, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
No it isn't the same. Take for instance former mayor and Congressman of Footown John Jones. Footown has a politicians category. Many communities have Mayor subcategories but only if there aren't enough entries. John Jones is in Politicians from Footown not People from Footown. For a practical example, former Oregon State Senator and Bend City Council member Gordon W. McKay, is in Politicians from Bend, Oregon but not People even though he had three different political jobs. Bend doesn't have a city council members category though some cities do....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:52, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
You mean like Cath Tizard, who is in both C:Mayors of Auckland and C:Auckland City Councillors? She was a councillor who was also a mayor. She's also a person from Auckland but isn't in C:People from Auckland. Totally logically arranged. So someone from Foo who is both a basketball player and a basketball coach will eventually be in both a C:Basketball players from Foo and a C:Basketball coaches from Foo category, but not in a C:People from Foo. They should, however, stay in a C:Sportspeople from Foo category until both those other categories are created, but isn't in C:People from Foo. And that's exactly what's happening. By the time my current work is completed, they'll have that coaches category and will no longer be directly in the sportspeople category - but when you're working with 600 cities, some of which had close to 2000 articles, this all takes time. Until that happens, keeping them in the sportspeople category makes it easier for people to locate someone as a coach, if that's what they know them for - it would make no sense for them to look for a coach in a player category. By the way, a bring up again your claim that I'm overcategorising - I want through a couple of hunderd of my recent edits last night - in 60% of them I had reduced the number of categories. If you don't believe me, check all the minus signs on my recent contribution list. In a further 30% the number had stayed the same. The number of categories has only increased in 10% of those edits, and in almost all of them it is temporary until the sports coaches categories are made. Soon. Be patient. Grutness...wha? 00:20, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

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Containerizing categoriesEdit

In this edit you agreed with the nominator that these categories needed to be containerized. Can you briefly explain the value of containerizing? I've read WP:Container categories. I'm not asking for a defense, more an orientation. I don't work sufficiently in category areas to understand the nuances. A year or so ago I performed an enormous renaming of ACW era military articles/categories and this might have been suggested during the CfDs. Thanks for your Grutness. BusterD (talk) 21:03, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi BusterD. The main purpose of containerising is to stop stray articles in the main category. It's used a lot where the main category is splittable exactly into subcategories. In the case of disease-related deaths, the deaths should all be related to one or more specific diseases, so it makes sense if they're all in subcats. It's more useful to know that a person died, say, of malaria than that they died of some unspecified disease. It is possible that a person died of a disease and the exact disease is unknown, but in those cases a subcategory of "deaths from unknown disease-related causes" or similar might be appropriate.
Sometimes, containerisation is very obvious. A big project I'm currently working on is categorising sportspeople by city. The parent category "Sportspeople by city" is an obvious container because it makes more sense to categorise, say, a golfer as being from Baltimore than to categorise them as being from "a city" without saying what the city is. I hope that all makes sense! Grutness...wha? 01:49, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Creating Basketball player by city categoriesEdit

If you are going to create these on a mass scale could you also please add them to WP:BASKETBALL? This can be easily done by copying and pasting "{{WikiProject Basketball}}" onto the Talk page of the new category. Ideally the project for the state the city is in would also be added but at a minimum please add to the basketball project so that the categories will show up on worklists and members of the project can maintain them. Thanks. I am sure projects of other sports you create these in would appreciate a similar step. Rikster2 (talk) 16:38, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Sure, I can do that. Thanks for the heads-up. Grutness...wha? 01:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Cornish emigrantsEdit

I updated some of the targets related to Cornish emigrants categories that I had entered incorrectly.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:51, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks :) Grutness...wha? 02:39, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Could you please consider the edits that I recently reverted at Ashley Biden as candidates for REVDEL under RD2? Thanks! AlexEng(TALK) 09:35, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi @AlexEng: I'm not an oversighter, and wouldn't really know where to start with this - sorry! It definitely looks like the sort of thing which should be removed from edit historyt hough. I suggest you go here and email the details there. Someone with more experience in the area will be able to help you. Grutness...wha? 09:42, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, Grutness. I had mistakenly selected "active admins" instead of "active oversighters" on the active users tool. My mistake. I don't use the email functionality of Wikipedia ƒor privacy reasons, instead relying on somewhat ambiguously worded messages to active administrators.   Sorry for needlessly troubling you. AlexEng(TALK) 09:51, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
No problem :) Grutness...wha? 10:09, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Category:Track and field athletes from San Jose, CaliforniaEdit

First off, thank you for creating the category. I wanted to discuss how much of an association and/or how specific to San Jose you are wanting to keep this category. I notice the obvious omission of Tommie Smith (originally from Lemoore High School but later a San Jose State athlete and John Carlos also from SJS. I've actually created several other SJS athlete articles. Obviously all trained in San Jose. I added Bruce Jenner, yes I know about the name change and mention it in my user page. He (at the time) notably trained there, contemporary with me. I know these people. Do they belong in this category? How about Cyndy Poor, which you already added. She trained with the Cindergals, same track about the same time as Jenner, but she went to Saratoga High School. And Francie Larrieu went to Fremont in Sunnyvale. Which would bring in Bill Green (hammer thrower). If we go to Sunnyvale, there would be Benny Brown too. But a lot of these people trained at SJS and SJCC, under the loose supervision of Bert Bonanno. Where do we draw the line? Trackinfo (talk) 07:09, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Trackinfo: Tommy Smith is missed because I haven't got that far through the "Sportpeople from..." category yet! As far as how specific, all I'm doing is going by the current categories. If someone is in "Sportspeople from San Jose, California", then I'll add a specific sport category (assuming there are ten or so people who will fit in it). I know that WikiProject Basketball is questioning exactly what link is needed to a city as well - if you look on their talk page, they've been talking about starting a discussion at WP:Categories about what connection is needed. Grutness...wha? 08:31, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
@Trackinfo: Even better issue, is Smith from San Jose? His article makes no mention of San Jose except in that his going to college there. It does mention Smith working/living in other places. Notable people section criteria says 'For "college towns" where students reside in the "town" only during their college years, it is preferred to list those students in the "Notable alumni" section of their respective college article, then add a {{See also}} in the city article "pointing" at the notable college section of the specific college article or separate notable college article.' Find a source that says he is from SJ....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:27, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
As I said, I'm just going by the categories already there. If the fault's with them, ask the person who put them there originally... they should be able to explain. Grutness...wha? 02:14, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Tommie, John Carlos and most of those pre 1980 SJS athletes were there for college. That said, other than high school, their career, particularly their top level career, essentially was over after college as it was for most "amateur" athletes of that era. You couldn't make any money after college so you had to focus your efforts on . . . a job that paid the money required to live. Some did try to extend their career afterward, but after the fist Smith and Carlos were largely persona non grata in racist America. Both did try the NFL but settled into coaching in Santa Monica and Palm Desert respectively. Interesting also, when not associated with SJS, they competed for the Santa Clara Youth Village team. During that era and for a couple of decades after it, there was no suitable training facility in the City of Santa Clara (though there was for the myriad of swimmers from that era), so they trained in San Jose. All that said, I'll add the category to people who trained in San Jose. Trackinfo (talk) 07:56, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

"Temporary Placeholders"Edit

That is not a reason to keep the "sportspeople by city" categories once one or more specific sports sub-categories have already been added. Rikster2 (talk) 13:46, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

It's common practice - quite a large number of editors use the same procedure, and I have done so many times myself in the past. This is the first time that anyone has complained - probably because in the past it's been done on smaller schemes. Given that this one deals with (so far) over 11,000 edits, with a few thousand more to come, it's a little more noticeable, thats all. In any case, as I keep repeating, it's very much a temporary measure. It's currently doing no harm at all, and will soon be gone. Grutness...wha? 13:49, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
No it is not a common practice. You're overcategorizing and at least 4 more editors counting myself think so too....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:52, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
It is not common practice to leave parent categories once sub-categories have been added. And now you are starting to revert my edits so you have made it my business. Rikster2 (talk) 13:56, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
I have not reverted any of your edits. I undid one, several days ago, noting that you edited in good faith. Given that you didn't undo that edit, it seemed clear that you understood my logic. And yes, it is common practice to use categories as temporary markers. By the way, at least 45 other editors have been joining in on this scheme with adding both specific sports categories and leaving temporary marker categories. Grutness...wha? 14:07, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Look at it another way. As it stands, there are three options:

  1. I can carry on with my categorising. That will end up with me clearing up the "overcategorisation", as you seem to think it, and a lot of articles will be more effectively categorised.
  2. The "overcategorisation" is removed by you or others. It becomes nigh on impossible for me to deal with the coach categories, ending up in you spending a lot of effort on removing categories and a lot of articles remaining incompletely categorised.
  3. Persistent bickering over what is a perfectly sensible and logical method leads me to give up the whole categorisation scheme in disgust, leaving some cities categorised and others not, and annoying the WikiProjects I've got on board with the scheme.

Which is the best option of those for Wikipedia as a whole? Grutness...wha? 14:06, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

So in other words, my preferred path is "bickering," but your preferred path is "sensible and logical." Got it. News flash - my suggestion is also "sensible and logical" and in fact is backed up by guidelines. I am not going to fight over this, but you have now reverted 2 edits where I correctly removed the sportspeople categories. Stop it. Rikster2 (talk) 14:12, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
I have never reverted any of your edits. I undid two, with a message saying they were clearly good faith edits, but I do not lightly revert and have not done so in your case. Learn the difference between an undo and a revert. Grutness...wha? 00:00, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
I undid it....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:07, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
Also, as I said you still have the state basketball coach categories to work from, which would not result in a net add of categories on a page once created and replaced. Rikster2 (talk) 14:13, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
So you want me to go through state categories for basketball caches, American football coaches, baseball coaches, Canadian ootball coaches, soccer coaches, swimming coaches, golf instructors, horse trainers, boxing trainers, ice hockey claches, etc etc etc, filled with people who may or may not be from a particular city, rather than one category which has them all in one place? Have fun with that. Grutness...wha? 00:00, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
If I reverted every one of his overcategorizations, that would leave a trail of pages for him to add coaches too. It would be easier than sifting through Sportspeople from Chicago with its over 500 entries....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:22, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Really good question 'WikiProjects I've got on board with the scheme.' What WikiProjects are you talking about? Not Baseball, National Football League, or Golf, all three of which I'm participants at, you have done categorizing of these sportspeople, and you haven't posted to the WP talk pages. Not even once and I checked....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:52, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
  • If I can chime in, I'm not sure of any WikiProject that approved the mass categorizations. I know there were a few CfDs a couple months ago that approved Basketball categories for major cities like Chicago or Los Angeles, but I would refrain from creating more categories on smaller cities like Basketball players from Dayton, Ohio or Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Honestly, it's not worth the hassle to revert, but I think you should try something else for the time. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 15:54, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
    • Grutness explicitly wrote WikiProjects and CFD is not a WikiProject. There is this WikiProject discussion[4] but in no way did Grutness lay out how he would categorize coaches in any way....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:02, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
You are all bickering. Why don’t you let Grutness get on with his good work? Schwede66 16:42, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

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Suburbs of DunedinEdit

I think you have probably noticed my working through the suburbs of Dunedin adding demographics and making general improvements. You seem to have been the main author on most of these. When several suburbs are covered in the same article with redirects, eg Kenmure and Bradford being included in Kaikorai Valley, I've mostly left that structure as is. Sometimes I've split those articles into new ones, as with Concord, because the fundamental character of Concord seems at odds with Burnside. I'm happy to go back and split some of the existing multi-surburb articles, or combine statistical areas in different ways, if you think that would be more appropriate.

Kew and Corstorphine are next on my list. Should I create an new article for Kew? Should I split Forbury from St Clair? Should I combine Forbury with South Dunedin instead? The three schools in South Dunedin are technically in the Forbury statistical area. The other one that's coming up: should I split Tainui, New Zealand out of Andersons Bay, and if I do, should I split Ocean Grove out of Tainui?

You or any other editor are always welcome to tweak the surrounding suburbs or any other aspect of my edits. I don't have the local knowledge so I've probably got some things wrong.

If you post messages to me on the talk pages of any of these articles, please ping me, because I don't usually put them on my watchlist.-gadfium 04:10, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi G - Forbury could be split out (it's probably more similar to Caversham than to either St Clair or South D in any case), and definitely Ocean Grove can be split - it has quite a different feel from Tainui. Tainui could probably combine with Musselburgh as easily as it could with Andy Bay; there'd be nothing wrong with having it as a separate article though. I originally only added them as redirects because there were so many of them and the boundaries aren't really that strict for the most part - also it would have led to some very small articles unless I was willing to put in the hard yards on research, and I was too lazy :) Grutness...wha? 05:02, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Great, thanks for the advice. I take it you don't suggest Kew should be split from Corstorphine. I'll probably add demographics to them later tonight.-gadfium 05:09, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
I missed that one! It probably could be, but it wouldn't be a priority. Grutness...wha? 05:11, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Alice SpraggEdit

Check out [[5]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by GaryJetner (talkcontribs) 01:17, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

A bit plumper than photos I've seen of her, but not bad. Grutness...wha? 06:57, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

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Hm. Looks like someone had emptied a bunch of these categories inappropriately. All but one of the five nominated for speedy deletion have now been repopulated. Grutness...wha? 12:15, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

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A cup of tea for you!Edit

  Just added a stub template...and again fondly remembered you...I hope life treats you well. You are still going strong I see. Time flies, really. Toodle pip :). Lectonar (talk) 13:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for that @Lectonar: yes, it's been a while since we've been in touch! I'm here on and off, when the Real World allows... then my obsessive-compulsive side comes out and I do a few thousand edits in a week :) Hope things are fine with you! Grutness...wha? 14:51, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 

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  • @Salavat: Good Lord... is that old thing still in existence? I made it as a temporary stopgap 17 years ago! Delete at will. Grutness...wha? 11:05, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Haha, must of managed to slip through the cracks. 17 years just sounds like an unimaginable time frame for anything on Wikipedia. Salavat (talk) 14:33, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

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State Highway mapsEdit

Kia ora Grutness - I noticed that you seem to be the user behind many of the route maps for the NZ state highway / other route articles. I'm planning on whipping up some articles in the near future for some of the red links (Thermal Explorer highway, Wine trail and so on), and was wondering whether you'd be interested in doing accompanying maps for the articles so that they're able to stay consistent? Turnagra (talk) 04:13, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Heh - that was ages ago! Yes, if I can find the template I used, I'll do that :) Grutness...wha? 07:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 

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Boring -> BornEdit

Hi there, thanks for picking up on that unfortunate typo on my end over at Nicola Toki. Nauseous Man (talk) 22:38, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

It was the funniest typo I'd seen all week! :) Grutness...wha? 02:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

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Yes, that's why I moved the article in the first place. Grutness...wha? 02:55, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 

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Just noticed your Otago update to Template:Seismic faults of New ZealandEdit

You are rather more active on Wikipedia than me. Once lived in house in Dunedin that in retrospect I was convinced was likely to have been built on a historic fault escarpment related perhaps to the Kaikorai Fault. If so the escarpment displacement indicated a past event of 7+ Mw on this rarely active fault. Less relevant to major faults with higher risk I was there for the 1974 4.9 Mw that brought down neigbours chimmeys ChaseKiwi (talk) 13:54, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

There are quite a few faults round Dunedin, but thankfully they are at the least dormant. You're right though - the 1974 one was a rattler. FWIW, I live out at St Clair. Let's hope there are no more 7+ quakes in the immediate future! Grutness...wha? 03:24, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 

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Hi. I noticed that you'd edited The Tumbleweeds recently. I happened across Ditchfield's article which, at the time, was about his brief cricket career. They're definitely the same person though, so have incorporated some details from the band article as well as the draft article that was created on Ditchfield. You might want to have a look and see if there's anything else obvious that needs adding. Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:30, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi - thanks for that. I can't think of anything else. All I was really doing was trying to save an article from deletion - the Tumbleweeds at least are worth an article, even if individual members are perhaps less so. But if Bill was also a first-class cricketer, that changes matters and his article is definitely worth having too. Grutness...wha? 03:23, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 

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Hm. Someone must have emptied it. Ah well, so be it. Grutness...wha? 08:24, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
Hmmm...we had some problems with empty categories recently, see here. Might be a glitch. Lectonar (talk) 08:21, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Could be connected, but I doubt it. It would make more sense if someone's just decided to make these categories by decade instead of by year though. Grutness...wha? 11:11, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Source?Edit

The fact that much of low-life is unsourced is no reason to add another unsourced statement: please add a ref. Thanks. (Feral (disambiguation) is on my watch list). PamD 07:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

The fact that it is unsourced is also no reason not to add another statement either. And I was busy hunting for some references after my network went down. I'm adding them now. Grutness...wha? 12:04, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 

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@Mccapra: If you'd taken ten seconds to look, you'd see that a vandal had removed text from the page. It has been a perfectly sensible redirect to Ó Duibhgeannáin for more than a decade. I thought there was also a guideline not to boilerplate such notices on long-standing editors (with 18 years on WP - 16 of them as an admin - and over quarter of a million edits, I doubt I need reminding about using the sandbox!) Please check a page's history before slapping a speedy deletion notice on it! Grutness...wha? 02:32, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Hear, hear. Schwede66 04:43, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Apologies and thanks for pointing out my mistake. Mccapra (talk) 06:30, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
No problem - apologies from me for being grumpy! :) Grutness...wha? 07:31, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Happy Eighteenth First Edit Day!Edit

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Seasonal events categories for South Asia at CfDEdit

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Looks like someone has been emptying a lot of categories... Grutness...wha? 02:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

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Ghost/paranormal sectionsEdit

Can I ask why you are adding the above to articles. Aside from the fact they appear completely uncited, I'm at a loss as to how you think doing so enhances the 'pedia. KJP1 (talk) 14:34, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

In what way does it not enhance the encyclopaedia? It is extra meaningful and relevant information about the subject of the articles. As it happens, I simply added the ones from the Paranormal Lockdown article where there was no cross-reference to the location articles. All the other locations with articles that were dealt with in that series already had similar information in their articles. Why the double-standard where some of those links are perfectly acceptable and other identical links to other articles aren't acceptable? In any case, many articles for locations which have a reputation for hauntings have information about those purported hauntings in their articles. And that information is there because it is relevant information about the locations. And before you suggest it, it doesn't matter whether hauntings are real or not - the fact that the fame of these places is in part because of their reputation is no less relevant than talking about a myth relating to a city's origin or name. As for being uncited, all the citations are in the Paranormal Lockdown article. Grutness...wha? 14:51, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
Can I suggest you don’t edit war, hardly suitable behaviour. If you really want this nonsense to appear, then make a case for it on the relevant Talkpage. And Other Stuff Exists is an extraordinarily weak argument for an admin to use. Crud exists all over the place on here, because people haven’t noticed it/had the opportunity to clear it up. I remove all paranormal nonsense from every historic building article I see, unless it has at least a half-way decent cite. And mentions on TV programmes that specialise in this sort of garbage don’t constitute reliable sources. KJP1 (talk) 14:56, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
Whose edit warring? I simply added references, as you suggested. Please stop deleting my perfectly acceptable additions to articles. You don't own them. Grutness...wha? 14:59, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
An admin, who thinks a promotional site for a ghost tours business, [6] constitutes a Reliable source. Wonders will never cease. KJP1 (talk) 15:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
So, you're ignoring the BBC source, then? By the way, are you really claiming that I am using "Other stuff exists" - a fallacious argument in deletion discussions - for adding something to an article? Not really the same thing at all. Firstly, it wasn't added as part of a deletion discussion (so doesn't apply), and secondly, any encyclopaedia should aim for internal consistency. If you wish to start a larger-scoped discussion about removing all mentions of hauntings from Wikipedia, so be it - but don't pick and choose individual articles. Grutness...wha? 01:48, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Gordon H BrownEdit

Hi there,

I have just put up a page for Gordon H Brown the New Zealand art historian. If you have a moment could you give it a quick look to make sure there are no terrible mistakes! I wondered about using a disambiguation as there are so many Gordon Browns. If you thought this was called for I would go for (art historian). Cheers mmd

Manymanydogs (talk) 02:12, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

I'll have a look, though I don't know much about Gordon H Brown. As long as there are no other Gordon H Browns I don't see the need for parentheses, though make sure he's listed at Gordon Brown (disambiguation). Grutness...wha? 11:32, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
I've moved the page to Gordon H. Brown (with a full stop) as is standard, added a link to the dab page I mentioned, and added a group of categories. Other than that, from what I can tell it looks pretty good! Grutness...wha? 11:39, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I've made a redirect from his full name Gordon Harold Brown and added him to List_of_people_with_surname_Brown#Art_and_architecture. And Yes, Success: he is linked from List of honorary doctors of Victoria University of Wellington by his full "Sunday" name. It happens quite often, so it's always worth adding a link from the full form of someone's name (as used in honours lists etc) and also from any other version you find in any source, or which could otherwise be likely. Sometimes it needs a dab page entry or a hatnote. Always worth then checking the "What links here", just in case you've found a guitarist or tennis player with the same name, so that some disambiguation or piping is needed. PamD 16:43, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for that, really appreciate it Manymanydogs (talk) 17:50, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Cheers Pam - good work all round :) Grutness...wha? 01:22, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

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And to you too! Happy 2023! Grutness...wha? 23:43, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

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@Felix QW: Given that you're talking about an image of a Wikipedia page, it should be obvious that the attribution is CC-by-SA, as is stated on the image page. In any case, the image was only uploaded temporarily with the understanding that it would be deleted once the problem illustrated was fixed. Sixteen years ago. Why no-one deleted it shortly after its use is a mystery to me. PS - for future reference, it's not normal practice to use a boilerplate template implying that someone is new to Wikipedia's standards and policies when messaging long-standing Wikipedians (which I think I qualify as, having been an admin here for a decade and a half!) It's no biggie to me, but you will find some editors getting very annoyed about it. Grutness...wha? 13:04, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Dear Grutness,
Sorry for the template, and for not being clearer - the notification template is added by Twinkle when notifying editors after placing a speedy deletion tag for a file. The derivative work refers to the Internet Explorer browser rather than the Wikipedia page, and the quickest way to have it deleted now is through a speedy deletion tag. I only noticed it because it has spent almost the entirety of its 16 year existence in a clean-up category for images with disputed licensing, which I am now sifting through to clear the backlog. I could of course have PRODded it instead, which may have been clearer. Felix QW (talk) 13:09, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
That makes sense - I never even considered that the browser image would be a problem! Could probably be speedied since I'm the only editor of the image file itself - all the other edits are clean-up/deletion template adds. In any case, feel free to delete it :) Grutness...wha? 13:20, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Philip ClairmontEdit

Hi there, I was thinking of doing a page on Phil Clairmont and found you had already done one some time ago. I knew Phil very well and would like to expand the page but seriously don't want to cause you any grief given how kind you have been to this newcomer to Wiki. Not sure how to move forward on this. Would it be appropriate for me to send you a copy of what I have? And if so what is the best way to do that? - can you look at my sandbox page for instance. Essentially I have expanded the biography and added an exhibitions section. Strangely the name Clairmont was invented by Phil's mother and not given to him until he was quite old...no idea where she got it from. Hope your New Year has started well. Cheers, Manymanydogs (talk) 21:09, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

@Manymanydogs: Don't worry about it - go ahead and post what you have on that page. Wikipedia doesn't work by one person "owning" a page - if you can improve on a page that's already there, just go ahead and do so - but don't be surprised if someone else comes along and edits or adds more to it again later! The only proviso I'd make is to make sure what you put there is referenced - knowing the person you're writing about is a big advantage, but it can also be a problem because anything that put there which you simply know by acquaintance and isn't referenced might be challenged as original research or conflict of interest. Other than that though, feel free to add whatever you have to the article. Happy new year to you, too! Grutness...wha? 01:47, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for that. Will check it over and make the changes later in the week. Manymanydogs (talk) 02:30, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
No prob :) Grutness...wha? 02:31, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

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Someone seems to have gone around emptying all of these seasonal categories, which is a shame, but... well, pick your battles, eh? Grutness...wha? 02:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)