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Lawson FA

Lawson Images

Fantastic. I can really got to town on those, especially the chimneys of the boy's school disguised as pinnacles, don't see that very often, it's almost a renaissance trick, so to see it in the gothic is great. Funny to see your trees without leaves forget its winter with you, at least you have a blue sky, looking ut of the window here over Holland Park loads of leaves, but a grey miserable sky - what am I doing here! Supposed to be working at the moment but will have a go at Lawson later on. Giano | talk 30 June 2005 08:36 (UTC)

Briliant one of the back of the First Church exactly the shot required, I've just dumped them on the page for now, played for over an hour, but not happy with them, I know you like (and they are supposed to be) all down one side but it looks (to me) so sterile, also unsure about sizes - have a look see what you think, lot more to write yet, i found a great ols print of the loony bin at Seacliffe, which I'll upload - do you know if it's definitly demolished? Internet sources are at odds. Got to stop now for a few hours while I'm still in employment!! Giano | talk 30 June 2005 12:59 (UTC)

Shit I'm supossed to be working - I see that's a better theory - perhaps best to write the article and then play with the pictures. Right I'm turning this thing off so I can't keep looking at my watch page. I quite like the idea of putting the rear of the church up front, its beter than the portrait of him, but I suppose every one would object to that, anyway I don't think I'm overpopular at the moment with certain people on FA so if we want this on the main page this decade best to conform!!! Giano | talk 30

June 2005 13:22 (UTC)

"Threave". Hate to be a bore, but you said you had an image of Threave, is that a classical house, cos' the page need one to balance gothic Larnach Castle. A nice miniature Buckingham Palace would be perfect! failing that anything with a couple of pillars, failing even that anything with a sash window painted white! any ideas. I can't find anything suitable on the net, once I've got a picture I can b/s for a hundred words - just need one more classical, and its almost there - cheers 213.122.133.127 2 July 2005 09:43 (UTC)

Hi something wrong with the server it keeps logging me out: Giano

Don't worry - just have to do without, don't worry either about the digital camera you just end up with a slow computer full of pictures you never look at, that might come in useful one day - and never do. Giano | talk 2 July 2005 14:31 (UTC)

Lawson

It [1] is gradually getting there (slowly), but I think the time has come when it needs a pretty ruthless copyedit, prune and honest opinion - so if you have some time to spare....? I don't take offence very easily so do what you like! (more or less!) I don't want to put the footnotes in until it is finished as things will still move about, is there any way you could check the year he was elected a Vice president of the Otago Institute of Architects. Thanks and regards Giano | talk 11:27, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Right it is done! At least as far as I'm concerned, it is now open to the public as Robert Lawson (architect) it need some other people etc to look at with fresh eyes and ideas. The fotos look good though. Giano | talk 12:21, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Lawson (yet again)

Please change what you like, I have never even seen a single one of his works in real life - you have. Regarding Salisbury, take a look here [2] which is the one I favour (ignore the two spires and the flying buttresses just foreign ostentatiousness!) I think this may have a greater similarity than Salisbury, and this (slightly un-English style was the inspiration. Compare with the rear views you took of First Church. Please edit heavily where you think necessary, I've stared at the page for too long which is why I've dumped it in proper article territory. Regards: Giano | talk 20:46, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Great copyedit - good job. The faults I see are that the lead is too short, and his death sounds too perfunctory and abrupt at the end, but I suppose that's how sudden death is! I couldn't find out much more anyway. Do you think its ready for FA? I've seen worse there, but I am just not that happy with it, I can't quite put my finger on why - perhaps it's too long, but it's good information, and would be a shame to weed it out. I just don't know. Giano | talk 06:22, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, have you time to put it there now, I've a train to catch, if not I'm back in a few hours. I think its the length, while the subject is fascinating to me,I suspect it is probably less so to others. Cheers 213.122.216.18 06:56, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

• Don't worry about peer review for now, I've seen what's wrong, it needs to be explained that Lawson's work can be evaluated and explain d through a description of the 6 buildings in the text and why, than a bit about his style and talents regarding each building rather than just the present architectural description, the problem will be keeping out my POV - I really do prefer Petre's work Giano | talk 11:55, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Right, I've made a few changes and think I'll nominate it for FA, (a) because in my experience no-one reads long pages at peer review. (b) I like to live dangerously, (c) after the next few days I shall probably be disapearing for a month or so, or at best on reuced time, so here goes, if you feel like it muster the Kiwis, I want a NZ architecture 3x on the main page in a year. Giano | talk 18:47, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for the plug and kind words. I seemed a good idea to nominate it last night after a coupe of glasses of wine, this morning perhaps a bit premature - Oh well what the hell Giano | talk 07:25, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

• Yeah, I agree completely, I think the problem is, as I had ro research everything, it is probably better sourced, but that somehow hindered the spontaneity of the writing, perhaps a;so there is too mucgh info - I suppose encyclopeically its probably the better article? Giano | talk 13:01, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Your art

Wow, just had a look at your web site and I really like your painting style. --Doradus July 1, 2005 02:54 (UTC)

Thanks for that! Glad you like it! :) Grutness...wha?

RfA Thanks

Allen3

Thank you for your support in my recent RfA nomination. I appreciate the vote of confidence you have provided me. --Allen3 ^talk July 1, 2005 14:24 (UTC)

Danny

Hi Grutness, thanks for supporting my RfA. It's encouraging to receive positive feedback, and I look forward to working with you in the future in stub sorting or wherever we run into each other! --Spangineer (háblame) July 4, 2005 03:42 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I have responded about the Nepal stub category where you indicated. Danny 4 July 2005 10:50 (UTC)

Thanks for offer (Moriori)

Hey Grutness, tks for offering to nominate me for admin, which I gladly accept. I've been part of Wikipedia since middish 2003, and registered October 03. I've sort of plodded along with a v-e-r-y slow computer but now have a newly acquired machine plus broadband so can more quickly get in and out of Wiki. My main goals in Wiki are to contribute informative general knowledge subjects, to improve content that needs editing, and to deal to vandalism. Cheers. Moriori 01:53, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

checking the calendar (MTG)

• cough*mid-July*cough* Garrett^Talk 06:03, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

My apologies. I hadn't realised that I was editing an archive.-gadfium 08:44, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Redwolf24

Hey Grutness, although I'm unfamiliar with you I would like to thank you for giving me a yes vote :D My RfA is looking pretty good... me and Essjay had a bet over whos RfA will end up looking better :) With Respect, Redwolf24 01:41, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Stubs

Sorry for disturbing you, being a little tense

I (successfully) created the {{crime-book-stub}}, but it doesn't relay to the appropriate category (which I also created); whre am I going wrong ??? BTW,I must admit I'm a little tired right now, and I'm gonna log off in a minute or so THX in advance Lectonar 4 July 2005 13:05 (UTC)

Fixed (and replied). Grutness...wha? 4 July 2005 13:15 (UTC)

THX for the instant help; regarding the civility: that's my credo...

and may a wager a little recommendation:

- Anno Dracula, and The Difference Engine by William Gibson are nice Lectonar 4 July 2005 13:23 (UTC) alias Sean O'Lochlainn

Template:stub

Hi. I wonder whether you might be inclined to offer something by way of an explanation for reverting my edit to this template? I get the feeling, with a summary as peremptory as "rv to Netoholic's last edit", that you think my edits are so clearly inappropriate that no reason is necessary, which I am confident is not the case. — Dan | Talk 5 July 2005 04:40 (UTC)

bio-stubs

Well I must admit I hadn't realized Wikipedia had entered a period of such bureaucratic morass that it was now necessary to receive permission prior to adding new form of categorization. Also beyond simply a means of categorization, it would seem radically POV to mark only some nations as "acceptable" choices for stub categorization. Particularly since it seems clear to me that the root category of bio-stub is choked and in need of additional categories. Frankly I see no reason to think I should need to ask before making such additions, and in fact would much rather abandon the matter entirely than touch the bureaucratic machine. So I suppose I'm done sorting these stubs, and if you would like to nominate any number of my stub types for deletion somewhere, I will not care enough to generate protest. Sarge Baldy July 5, 2005 11:51 (UTC)

Replied - at length. Grutness...wha?

Asia-struct-stub

Sorry, I now realise I should have added Japan-stub , rather than replaced Asia-struct-stub. Kjlewis 5 July 2005 12:07 (UTC)

S'alright. Keeping it as an asia-struct-stub has the added advantage that it makes it easier to tell whether there will ever be need of a separate Japan-struct-stub. Grutness...wha? 5 July 2005 12:15 (UTC)

From Blimpguy re stub templates

Thanks for the fix on stubs. Before using the template, I tried to be a good puppy and did some looking around for the list of stubs categories/templates, but didn't find it. After a while I gave up and just added the closest one I stumbled across in an existing article. You may want to add some information on the style and/or how-to articles for us template newbies. Regards. Blimpguy 5 July 2005 13:52 (UTC)

Software engineering Vs Computer science

Hi! I reverted your edits in {{soft-eng-stub}}. Just to make a note, software engineering is a -very- distinct branch of computer science. Hence, it needs it's own stub. Yes, I know it's currently used only in The Tao of Programming, but expect to be used more later on. Project2501a 03:01, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

moving Oceania stubs

Thanks for your hard work. I was unaware a new FP stub had been created. I don't know why it was felt necessary to spell out FrenchPolynesia in the stub name, as opposed to simply FP, but whatever. If you need help moving other stubs to appropriate places, let me know how I might be of assistance. I was thinking just the other day that it would be nice to divide up the Oceania stubs by at least micro- mela- and polynesian stubs. I see someone else has been thinking about this as well.  :-p Tomer ^TALK 07:12, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the preponderance of FP geostubs in the Oceania-geo-stub cat was primarily my doing, as I think I probably created half of them... :-p Tomer ^TALK 07:24, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Well, you'll notice a great number of them are specifically Marquesas Islands stubs, for which I created Category:Marquesas Islands... speaking of which, I also created Category:Society Islands and Category:Tuamotu. This brings to the fore 2 almost-unrelated questions. First, where does the 60-articles threshhold for categories come from, and second, what's the proper procedure for categorizing articles? Presently, I believe, all articles within Category:Marquesas Islands (etc.) also contains links to Category:French Polynesia. Should both cats be included, since the more specific extends the more general? Or should only the most specific cat be included? Tomer ^TALK 08:48, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

OK, so (shhhhh!) I'm officially on a wikibreak...but I think it would be more sensible to divide the stubs by political division, and when necessary, by geological/geographical division. I think it would be a travesty to let Tokelau stubs, for example, languish in Oceania stubs simply because there's highly-plausible rationale to believe that such a category will never exceed 20 stubs, indeed I can think of perhaps a maximum of about 40 articles for the group as a whole. Where is the discussion of this properly engaged? Tomer ^TALK 09:02, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Algeria stubs

Good work on the new stub cat! I've announced it on the little-frequented Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Algeria. - Mustafaa 16:18, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Newfoundland and Labrador Stubs

Hey, no problem, I was just so glad to see a NL stub and then got carried away to move the appropiate articles into it. Hopefully I got 'em all. Wikipedia is relatively new to me, my first edit/article was in May, I really like it and have been enticing others to give it a go. HJKeats 12:34, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Stubs (Canada)

I thank you a lot for your hard work with the stubs. Next time you go through them, do you think you could look out for communities that don't have a province following their names? (i.e. if the article is at Kenora, move to Kenora, Ontario) I've had a look at the lists before, but you never know if I missed a few. If you have any questions in that regard, please let me know. (Use discretion, Bytown does not belong at Bytown, Ontario for historical purposes). -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:07, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes it is standard practice- except for the major cities of Toronto, Vancouver, Ottawa and Montreal. Don't go out of your way to fix them, that's my job- but if you come across one, it would help me out :) -- Earl Andrew - talk 02:49, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

I should also let you know that neighbourhoods dont need the province following them either. -- Earl Andrew - talk 02:57, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

nobility stubs

Ashur-uballit_I, an Assyrian king, is put into the nobility stub category, which is interesting. If you sample the active pages listed here, Kings_of_Assyria, you get a very irregular categorization. I'm not wiki-wise enough to tackle this issue, but there is a problem with consistency. They are certainly kings. And yeah, you need to archive.--FourthAve 06:56, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

replied, and yes I do. it's nearly two weeks since I last did that. add another hour to the day and I'll consider it! :) Grutness...wha?

{{Broadway-stub}}

I created this stub as part of a WikiProject that I started, WikiProject Broadway. I haven't been working with the project in a little while, but I've been intending to go back and get the stub used on more articles. There are a fair amount of articles (and articles that need writing) on Broadway Theatres, Broadway shows, and other topics (actors, notable Broadway directors and designers), that I've been planning to work on, and was hoping to use the stub for. I apologise for not submitting the stub for consideration to WP:WSS/C, I hadn't been by that page previously, and didn't realize that was expected. If you would consider rescinding the STfD, I would be delighted to submit the stub for consideration, however I do not want to submit the stub concurrently with an open deletion vote.Thanks for your time and consideration. EvilPhoenix talk 03:06, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

replied Grutness...wha?

Well, I think that splitting out by type of play has certain limitations that using the stub I created addresses, which I have made a brief discussion of on the deletion debate page. EvilPhoenix talk 06:30, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

AR-geo-stub

can you arrange an AR-geo-stub for Argentina? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 22:42, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

did it myself, hope this is fine.

nooo! Grutness...wha?

little known? I think every internet user in Argentina knows AR. lot of people in geography will know it as well. Arizona can only be the idea of US-centric people. Aruba? Please compare size of Aruba and Argentina. There is also US-geo-stub. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 01:38, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Armin Rotenbauch is known by me as AR. Do I think I can use this in wikipedia as abbrev. for him? I know, some people in the US tend to think the US is all and then maybe cannot imagine there is anything else in GEO-STUB with AR. use of ISO 3166-1 is something that can be done worldwide. type AR in google, first is Arkansas followed by lots of hits in Argentina. No Aruba anywhere. I saw you talking for BrColumbia. What's that? Shall we use arg-geo-stub? would be fine for me. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 02:08, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

All replied to. Grutness...wha?

you are wrong: British Columbia is not known as BrColumbia througout the world, at least not here in my flat. Why AR? Why BrColumbia if there is a perfectly usably British_Columbia-geo-stub possibility? What is that? I mean why do you handle BrColumbia different to AR? What about UKW wales? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 02:53, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

maybe you can reply to this UKW/UKS thing at Category_talk:Geography_stubs Tobias Conradi (Talk) 02:58, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Your concerns have been addressed. If you wish, Argentina could have a redirect at SouthAmericaA-geo-stub, since that would keep it in line with the others you mention.

after this post I think talking with you is nonsens. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 11:01, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Nonsense begets nonsense, my friend. However, at least my nonsense followed logically from your arguments. Grutness...wha?

Template:TOCright

Just in case you haven't seen it, have a look at the revision of W. Mark Felt. - Ta bu shi da yu 5 July 2005 02:11 (UTC)

Also recommend you look at Daniel Pipes. - Ta bu shi da yu 5 July 2005 02:12 (UTC)

And (sorry to keep posting here), see Windows 2000 with the template. - Ta bu shi da yu 5 July 2005 02:14 (UTC)

Well, the Windows one doesn't work because the infobox is above the TOC, rather than the other way round. I agree about the others though - they look really good! Even more reason to keep the template. Grutness...wha?

Look, no offense (I have always respected you and will continue to do so even though I am pretty adamant on this issue), but why should a change like this be applied that is not in the stylesheet? I think it looks godawful - can I change this in my stylesheet? What about the standard practice of having the image on the right hand side of the screen - a standard design principle (look at any advertisment)? - Ta bu shi da yu 5 July 2005 02:39 (UTC)

The feeling's mutual as to the respect, but I see nothing wrong with this. As to standard advertising practice, what of articles that have no lead picture but have nmany sections? It looks far better to have the contents where they are most logical (again, for the reasons chosen in advertising practice, the main text body starts at top left), and certainly we don't need tons of white space at the top of the page. It doesn't work with all articles - it may not work with more than a small minority - but it is a useful option to have. I've tried it on my user talk page, and it clearly doesn't work there, but consider a page like List_of_volcanoes - imagine how that would look without some form of floating right-hand TOC. Grutness...wha?

Bingo. You said it yourself - the eyes look to the left for text. With TOCright, the image will be on the left. Sorry, a bit busy. Will message in a few minutes. - Ta bu shi da yu 5 July 2005 02:57 (UTC)

OK, have had a look at List of volcanoes and agree that it does look better there. However, what about articles that are not lists? Articles that have such a large TOC need to be shortened and split up into subarticles anyway. - Ta bu shi da yu 5 July 2005 03:27 (UTC)

Okay, well two things here - first, the eyes do look to the left for text, which is why having the main body of the text start on the left is preferable to having a table of any sort there. As for "what about articles that are not lists:, well, some of them would work better with the TOC on the right, too. As I said earlier, I'm not suggesting it becomes compulsory, simply that it be retained as an option for the minority of cases where it does look better floating to the right. I think maybe this time we're just going to have to agree to disagree... Grutness...wha?

Of course :-) However, there has been no guidelines on when and when NOT to use this template. For instance, I'd be mighty pissed off if it was used on Windows 2000 - I feel that it would be totally inappropriate. And on Daniel Pipes, there was no need to use it at all because the article is a) not large enough, and b) an article with a picture that is now on the left hand side of the page. Maybe my listing it on TFD was a tad premature: I'm willing to conceed that it might be useful on some pages (list lists), and will make my comments there soon; however without a style guideline I think we're in for some lovely edit wars between editors (don't worry, I won't participate: I will merely stop editing the article). - Ta bu shi da yu 5 July 2005 03:44 (UTC)

Spanish West Africa

Of course, you are right. In addition, I said basically the same thing earlier. I don't know what my problem was... Thank you. Justin (koavf) July 5, 2005 05:32 (UTC)

my message to alkivar

Hi - Sounds like you didn't actually read the message I left for Alkivar. It's distinctly not the standard one. -- Rick Block (talk) July 7, 2005 15:09 (UTC)

Oh, and BTW, although there was a single edit summary there were at least 3 "standard" versions based on previous nominations (including declined offers to nominate in talk history) and current activity based on user contributions. I took about two weeks to work through the list of nearly 300 names BECAUSE I didn't just mindlessly slap messages on talk pages. In case you're having any trouble reading my tone, I'm offended by the implication of mindlessness. --Rick Block (talk) July 7, 2005 15:40 (UTC)

I'm sorry I caused you offence. I had wrongly assumed, since the messages all had identical titles that they would be identical. I still think it wasn't the best timing, but I apologise for thinking that you had stuffed up. Grutness...wha?

Apology accepted. The point of the message to Alkivar was to politely offer him an opportunity to remove the asterisk if he decides he'd rather never go through rfa again (I made the same offer to Eequor shortly after her recently failed nom as well). At a broader level, the point of the whole exercise is to try to raise the general sensitivity to the desires of the folks on the list. It's almost unbelievably ironic to be accused of being insensitive. -- Rick Block (talk) July 8, 2005 00:36 (UTC)

NZ maps

NZ map images.

Hello James. Good to see your maps of NZ localities. I run Netscape 7.02 and Win98. The maps cause the text to be compressed since the image is not right justified even though it has the appropriate parameter set. If I give the image a label the problem goes away ie. the image is displayed to the right. Do you know if this a bug in the Wiki software? I have put a label on the image at Manapouri Alan Liefting 8 July 2005 05:06 (UTC)

Replied, and problem taken to VP(T). Grutness...wha?

I checked the one at Orewa. It does not have the justification problem. I prefer the maps with a border and a caption. They look a little unfinished without a border. Do you think they could also do with a scale? Alan Liefting 9 July 2005 05:50 (UTC)

NZ Images

hey cool NZ images! I hope you dont mind but i made one for Cheviot, New Zealand using your template.

BTW, what is up with "This user is a fluent speaker of Patent nonsense."???

Supersaiyanplough|^(talk) 9 July 2005 10:25 (UTC)

• Oh bother, my computer doesn't have Geneva. What font should I use, Arial ok? - Supersaiyanplough|^(talk) 9 July 2005 10:39 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the award. I was wondering when I would get one of those :-D. I shall add it to the 'ol trophy case. Hope I haven't created too much work for you :) -- Earl Andrew - talk 8 July 2005 09:44 (UTC)

It's amazing what a minor typo edit to an obscure politician can do, eh? :) Well there's lots more work to do, by the time I'm done with the wikipedia, every community in Canada will have a page! muhahaha *evil* Cheers! -- Earl Andrew - talk 8 July 2005 09:54 (UTC)

Browser problems

Abu Qir Bay

Hi Grutness. I noticed you changed "Abu¯ Qi¯r Bay" to "Abu¯ Qi¯r Bay". Why is that? There are lots of Google hits for "Abu¯ Qi¯r Bay" (even with the special characters), but not for "Abu¯ Qi¯r Bay". (I'm afraid I don't know much about Arabic.) – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} July 9, 2005 14:42 (UTC)

Replied. Same old problem, even with MW 1.5... Grutness...wha?

That's fine. Thanks for the info! – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 00:28, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Please stop using an unsafe browser, now

Please stop using the Macintosh version of Internet Explorer to edit pages. It damages both text and links. As such, it could be seen as damaging the encyclopedia’s integrity, and your persistence in doing so might even be seen as bad faith. You shouldn’t be lumping it with Windows IE either; as far as Wikipedia is concerned, they are quite different.

Don’t go on about “browser-unsafe characters” either; direct characters are there so that anyone editing the source or comparing versions can see what’s going on. MediaWiki 1.5 allows the nearly all Unicode characters to be used without entities, and this is the normal and expected way to enter them. There are bots such as Chobot and RobotE stripping entities out of interwiki links, and there will probably a more general bot soon.

If you’re stuck at a computer without a safe browser, you could trying using the “Show changes” button for all edits; however, you will to be very careful never to save unless you’re satisfied that you are only making the changes you intend to make. Otherwise, you will really need to wait until you can find a computer that is safe to use. Susvolans (pigs can fly) 12:32, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

I am using Mozilla Firefox, and have been for some time. I read wikipedia with IE, but I edit with Firefox. Grutness...wha?

The deeper meaning of liff

I wonder if you are aware that Douglas Adams defines Grutness in The Deeper Meaning of Liff as;

Grutness (noun)

The resolve with which the Queen sits through five days of polynesian folk dancing.

Bluemoose 08:59, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

:)) I didn't know that (I have copy of the original version of the book, but not the bigger version). That makes sense, and is apt for someone living where I do in NZ. Thanks for that! Grutness...wha?

Can't remember where to report this

Hi,

Sorry to put this on your page, but I noticed the other day that you seem to know what's happening in this community (voting on RfA, etc).

There's a user I'm concerned about - 212.44.58.161. I noticed what they did on the Teletubbies page on 18th July - changing the female characters to male and using the word d!ck where inappropriate.

Looking at some of their other posts, I am very concerned about the change to the Arcade Game page - changing the year on Space Invaders. Maybe they corrected this year, but I have no idea.

Do you know where I should report this?

I will revert the Teletubbies changes.

--JimmyTheWig 12:17, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I've reported it as an "incident".

Wasn't totally by chance I picked you. I noticed that you made a change on Barnet F.C. and wondered what else you did. --JimmyTheWig 13:51, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Bernwood Forest

I gotta love your comment. Made me chuckle anyway. Back to hitting trolls with sticks... -- Francs2000 | Talk 19:43, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

WPSS-cat

Hey there, Grutness. Would you mind explaining me what exactly is Template:WPSS-cat? DESiegel has been inserting some information regarding it into the guideline, but I sincerely have no idea about the use of the template to actually give a proper reply to him. Cheers. --Sn0wflake 22:43, 19 July 2005 (UTC)