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Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for Talk:Battle of Grunwald (painting)/GA1

Thanks! By any chance, would you consider helping with some prose issues I have at another GA of mine, Talk:Prussian Homage (painting)/GA1? I am not a native speaker, and there are some issues that I simply cannot fix myself, and those are the ones that the reviewer there listed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:42, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I will have a look at the article you mention. What surprises me is how good your English is (and the English of various other editors for whom it is not their native tongue) and it makes me ashamed to think how feeble we are in the United Kingdom at speaking any language other than our own. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:10, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I have been through the article and have made a number of alterations to the prose. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:56, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. And about English... well, it is the global language. No other one matches it with regards to importance, so I think that's a valid excuse :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 21:59, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Frog

Hello, I see that lately you are editing this article intensively. Do you plan to take it all the way to the GA/FA? I am working now on the Russian version of the article and compare the data with English version which is pretty well developed. I would be rather pleased if you could notify me of any major error you find in the existing data. Thank you, Sir Shurf (talk) 07:36, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I do intend to take Frog to GA/FA. I have been working on it for some time and I do not think that it currently contains information not backed up by reliable sources. Good luck with your article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:49, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Very well, thank you, Sir Shurf (talk) 09:58, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

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A Request for Comment has been posted for an article on which you have been an editor. If you wish to comment, go to Talk:List of African-American firsts# Request for Comment: Pro wrestling. --Tenebrae (talk) 12:00, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

As far as I know I have never edited this article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Peer review exchange

Hi Cwmhiraeth, like what you have done with frog. I am a herpetologist and willing to peer-review your article, but was hoping for a trade in the deal. Would you be willing to come and peer-review ecology? I have been working on the ecology article for a long-time and you seem like the right person for the job. I'll review frog anyway, but wanted to draw you to ecology since it seems to be in your area of interest anyway. Thanks.Thompsma (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I will have a go at peer reviewing Ecology. As you say, this is certainly a subject that interests me. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:18, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Cwmhiraeth! I might come across as being harsh in my peer review comments. Please do not take any of it personally. I know I used to hate getting critical feedback, yet I know that I give very harsh and pointed feedback. Feel free to call me out if you think I am wrong, because often times I can be. It is just my writing style and it puts some people off. I'll do my best, however, to help out as much as I can and hopefully my tough review will make the FA simple.Thompsma (talk) 06:25, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh...I'm moving this week and all my herpetology textbooks are in boxes. I might be away for a week or two as I move and unpack. I have a full and complete collection of herpetology texts (over 1000 books) - I collect them. So I can use these resources to give you any information you need if you can't access a book or citation.Thompsma (talk) 06:28, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I will work on the points you raise in the review and see if I can find some time in between to look at Ecology! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:37, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Don't give up on ecology, you are doing a great job.Thompsma (talk) 05:21, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Tree

Hi Cwmhiraeth,

I too was puzzled by the extremely negative reaction to your rewrite of the Tree article, but I think I now have some advice: smaller edits, rather than a lot of work in your userspace seems to be best for an article like that one, that has high importance and has been entrenched for a long time, so people get very touchy about changes to it. Of course, an edit has to be big enough to make a point completely, but I think that is the key, divide them up by concept and use a very thorough edit description. Waiting for a couple of days before making the next edit also gives you a chance to step away for your own protection if there is a volley of insults. I've very sorry that this has happened to you. Best wishes, Sminthopsis84 (talk) 17:27, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I had been wondering if that was the problem and will know not to proceed in the same way another time. There was a particular reason for treating the article in that way which was that I wanted to enter it for the Core contest, which runs through August, and did not want to start improving the article before the end of July. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:49, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

The edit I made today in tree and that you reversed was made because I came across these sentences in the Coevolution section of the article Ecology which I was helping to peer review:

"Indirect mutualisms occur where the organisms live apart. For example, trees living in the equatorial regions of the planet supply oxygen into the atmosphere that sustains species living in distant polar regions of the planet. This relationship is called commensalism because many others receive the benefits of clean air at no cost or harm to trees supplying the oxygen." It was referenced to that journal article so I did likewise even though the abstract did not look promising. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:27, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Ah yes. I've substituted some citations on the Ecology page, unfortunately not particularly accessible ones, but authoritative and about the topic under discussion.

Thank you for explaining about the Core Contest, I'll take that as a sort of warning to stay away from those. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 21:28, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry that I'm taking so long to look at this question properly, the time I have available for wikipedia gets used up rapidly by my watch list. However, the versions are all still there, so over the next month or two perhaps we can slowly build something that satisfies all. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:56, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

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Tree

Hi Cwmhiraeth, I'm sorry that the Tree edits are getting so rough on you. It is a touchy subject with anyone who has ever tried to teach biology. A real bang-head-on-laboratory-bench frustration sets in when one is grading student essays, and these facts that we consider so basic get mangled in so many different ways (like the "Meiosis produces a tetrad of microspores that develop into a pollen grain" from this web site which should have said "each of which develops into a pollen grain". Fixing errors is very difficult editing, and I'm afraid that you work too fast for me, I can't keep up. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 19:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Well it was a pity that I chose that source because I see now that it was unreliable. So I rewrote the section on gymnosperm reproduction this morning from a University source. I am trying my best to improve the article and think having the whole section blanked is very destructive and unhelpful. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:27, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

As a botanist who learned his botany nearly 50 years ago, you have my support. I don't take too kindly to the pedagogic style of editing that has emerged lately. We all make mistakes or are putting forward long outdated concepts (in my case anyway) - but to be met with sarcasm and blanking is no way to improve an article. I have been around on Wikipedia for more than 7 years and will probably still be here in another 7, still learning, still making some mistakes but hopefully still contributing constructively and improving articles. I fully expect my tenacity will outlive the tantrums of the newly come zealots ! Hwyl fawr.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   20:29, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

If you haven't taught lately, I think you would be amazed by the speed and tenacity with which students suck up and regurgitate material from wikipedia, and how difficult it is to persuade them that what they have "studied" is nonsense. So I agree with EauOo that it is far better to have a blank than to have misinformation. Anything that has been removed is still very accessible from the history of the page. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 20:56, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

When I wrote the rewrite I thought I was writing on a general topic, a tree, not a specialised botanical topic. The previous version was poor and if I had worked around it and just added further information on uses etc. it would have been better. I do also feel disappointed in the quality of the sources I used as I can see now that the information I derived from the book that I ueed for guidance, The World Encyclopedia of Trees by Tony Russell and Catherine Cuttler, has led me astray. For example, having talked about conifers and broad-leafed trees early on, it then went on to deal with the structure of the roots, trunk and leaves with no further reference to conifers being different from angiosperms. Other editors kept saying how wrong the article was but were unspecific about its faults which rendered it difficult for me to remove them. I enjoyed writing the article at the time but have not enjoyed the aftermath! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:12, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, there's a lot of dumbed-down-until-it's-wrong material on the Web that is quite distressing. If I wrote "mammals have fins" there'd surely be no shortage of people ready to correct it, but statements equivalent to "trees have flowers" or "grasses bloom in June" are so common in wikipedia that the few of us who work on these problems can't cope and consequently are rather touchy. The citation that I just added to lenticel seems to be an exceptional online botany site with enough detail to be good, though I've only looked at the one page.

I did my best yesterday, but spent more time than I could afford and have other work that needs to be done, so I'm going to step away from Tree now. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 15:12, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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Frog FA review

Hi Cwmhiraeth...Just got your message. I would hold off on the FA review for a couple more weeks. I would say that it is definitely not ready. I've nominated a few articles for FA review and had them in better shape that frog is and they were shut down right away. I'm working all this week for a huge contract and will be out in the field most of the time. I will be popping in now and again, but might be too tired to help out. If you give me a couple of weeks and hold off I can help you get it up to par. There's still much to be done. Will check in when I get back from work. Take care.Thompsma (talk) 04:43, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

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		For highly meritorious effort in so greatly improving Amphibian and for contributions to the improvement of Tree  Velella  Velella Talk   15:00, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you indeed for the Bio-star. I guess there are a number of editors who would say I didn't deserve it with regards to Tree. And by the way, my botany dates from the same period as yours. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:56, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Common toad

Out of curiosity, do you still plan to bring the the common toad article to FA? LittleJerry (talk) 18:07, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Not really. I thought it might be too difficult to make it comprehensive enough and I thought the sub-species issue was difficult. What do you think?

I am working on Frog instead with FAC in mind. It is currently in Peer review here if you have any comments. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:26, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I think that all you need to do is get rid of those low-qaulity sources. It seems comprehensive enough. Are there major things you think you've missed? LittleJerry (talk) 19:59, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

You are a very good persuader. I will give it a go! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:10, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Good luck!! LittleJerry (talk) 20:24, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

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Common toad

You have done a good job so far, but you just don't get a few things that are fundamental to writing the article.I will write what I can next week, and I asked for help at the wikiproject. Eau (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I had a look at what you wrote at the WikiProject and the sort of help you mention there would be most welcome. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:18, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Good.

You have done a great job on the article and trying to work with people, if no one from amphibians can help, I will finish it up, still gotta wait at least a week. Take care. Eau (talk) 15:38, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hi. I just replied on my talk. MOS:ENDASH is long-term stable guidance with wide support. If you've used ‑ in other articles, it's an easy fix. I'll help, if you like. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 11:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

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I realize you already got a ton of barnstars, but I just have to give you kudos for drastically improving the Amphibian article, so I baked you this pie. Less than a year ago it was less than half the size it is today. I know I initiated the efforts to improve it but never thought someone would come along and do so much. Thanks a lot for your hard work! :) Cadiomals (talk) 15:44, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, thanks. I'll enjoy that! I hope to get Amphibian at least as far as GA. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 15:49, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

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Frog

Hi Cwmhiraeth...Got your message. My internet is going to be hooked up tomorrow. There were a few cancellations. I just moved and started a new job. However, next week I will have time. My books are unpacked and I have a large reference section on herpetology and frogs in general. Next week I will plunge into the article and will assist to get it up to FA status. At this point I am absolutely certain that it will be quickly knocked down in a FA review - I have experience from other articles. I realize you want to enter into the WikiCup and would like me as a co-nominator, but at this point in time I do not think the article is ready. Sorry for being a nay-sayer at this point in time, but it will get there and I will be able to help. I just quickly popped in here to let you know. Take care.Thompsma (talk) 18:46, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I will be patient. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:49, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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Sandgrouse

Awww

Hi, I've now passed the article. I assume the GA logo is added automatically? I noticed one more thing that might be nice to briefly mention in the article under relations with humans (but isn't essential to the GA status at all), which is that a subspecies of the Chestnut-bellied Sandgrouse appears to be extinct. Maybe briefly explain why, as it is most certainly human related? FunkMonk (talk) 08:42, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I will investigate what you say about the Chestnut-bellied Sandgrouse subspecies.

It tells you what you need to do when you pass an article under the section "Pass" on the GA page. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:59, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Done. And by a fun coincidence, I just noticed that one of the "best" contemporary depictions of the Dodo (which I'm working on) also shows two Painted Sandgrouse in the lower right! FunkMonk (talk) 18:37, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Reference clutter in Bivalvia

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Please see the above; an editor tried to take a machete to some of the references as "clutter". Br'er Rabbit (talk) 19:31, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

• This guy is disruptively editing. He has again tried to machete the citation templates and someone else reverted him this time. I reverted two edits that cut sourced information. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 22:28, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Common toad

I'm happy with the taxonomy, and I've already supported, not sure what you are asking me to do? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:02, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

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2010 proposed taxonomy of the Bivalvia

Thank you for posting this important information to Wikipedia. A suggestion and a question:

It might be good to create a bridge page, or change the title to something beginning with "bivalvia" or "taxonomy, so that it will come up when someone types those words into the search box. The viewer statistics are dismal as it is now.

My question: The family sphaeriidae or pisidiidae (the little freshwater "fingernail" and "pill" clams) is not included in the listing. They are classified with the Corbiculacea in some older classifications. Were they left out of the Proposed Taxonomy? Also, would you be OK if some day I recast the listings to a tabulated form? Martino3 (talk) 03:35, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

The article 2010 proposed taxonomy of the Bivalvia was separated from the main Bivalvia article. I was not responsible for its original contents but any alterations would need to be appropriately sourced. I have no objection to the article's name being changed or you tabulating the information. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:10, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

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Fayum Sandgrouse

There's an entry for the extinct sandgrouse subspecies in the book Extinct Birds from 2012. It says 10 specimens were last seen in 1979, but that it is unknown why they went extinct. FunkMonk (talk) 11:23, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I see you have added the information to the articles. I have since added your nice image with the dodo to Painted Sandgrouse. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:44, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

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Common toad

I see Common Toad has been promoted to FA, and, although I did not follow the edits, I saw that you had a good group of editors working on it from WikiProject Amphibian. Go forth and cookie them or something! I will be in the field almost continually for the next month, unexpectedly, so I was no help, but I feel more comfortable with dedicated amphibian editors doing the editing. Great choice of subject for FA. Eau (talk) 02:46, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your help during the FA process. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 04:36, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

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		To Cwmhiraeth, for the article "Amphibian". Axl ¤ [Talk] 13:18, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for doing such a thorough review! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:46, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Carpathian brook lamprey

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Barnstar

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		To Cwmhiraeth for bringing Common toad to FA status. LittleJerry (talk) 01:13, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

I hope you'll do more. Is starfish on your radar? LittleJerry (talk) 01:13, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I couldn't have done it without the help of others. Starfish is trying for GA. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 04:56, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

I've been thinking of bringing some invertebrate (like octopus or scorpion) to FA status in the near future (likely spring 2013). Would you be interested in a collaboration? LittleJerry (talk) 01:50, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I would be glad to collaborate on one of those or something similar, but not before the end of October. For the moment I am concentrating my efforts on articles that can earn me points in my WikiCup bid. Talking of which, I have put Frog up for FA but so far there has been little response. Would you care to do a spotcheck as you did in the Common toad FAC? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:01, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I plan on getting two more mammal articles to FA before considering invertebrates. As for spotchecking. I don't think I'll need you since your not due for that for six months. LittleJerry (talk) 15:41, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

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FAC

You're not supposed to have two FAC nominations at the same time. (Good luck with "Amphibian".) Axl ¤ [Talk] 10:20, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I can if one is a joint nomination, and Frog is. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:23, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Ah, yes, you're right. :-) Axl ¤ [Talk] 10:42, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I looked through the contribution history of frog, and it does not seem to me that Mark's input warrants a co-nom on the frog article. I understand he gave some of his valuable expertise at the peer review, but it looks like you're adding his name to be able to put up two candidates at FAC. If you disagree with my assessment, would you mind then if I worked on either the amphibian or the frog article for a few days myself and add myself to the FAC? Sasata (talk) 19:10, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I have now withdrawn the Amphibian FAC due to concerns as to whether I was contravening the FAC rules as my co-nominator in the Frog FAC might have been insufficiently involved in that article. I'll try again later. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:00, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

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DYK multiple nomination hook is too long

Ixalotriton niger, Ixalotriton parva, Pseudoeurycea praecellens, Thorius pennatulus, Pseudoeurycea smithi, The hook is 219 characters. Can you shorten it up, please?, Maile66 (talk) 12:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

In multiple hooks there is an allowance for greater length, see supplementary rule C3. Mikenorton (talk) 12:43, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I have proposed a slightly shorter hook anyway. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:51, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

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Common rocket frog

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