Talk:Jasmine (Aladdin)

Age?

How old is she? I haven't seen the movie in a long time and I was wondering if they could put her age on there. Punkymonkey987 23:46, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I wanted to know her age too. Kennedyniles (talk) 17:34, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I found a source that cites her age. According to Disney she's almost 16 at the beginning of the first movie. Cactusjump (talk) 19:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Its three days before her 16th birthday when the first movie takes place, the whole premise is there is a law that states the princess must be married by her 16th birthday —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.93.215 (talk) 21:46, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

If that's so, why does the article say 18? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.191.60.104 (talk) 23:13, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Since the movie never mentions her age (it always says "her next birthday"), I am removing it from the article unless someone gets some reference from Disney. Lumi-chan (talk) 00:14, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

The only one?

'She is also the only princess who did not marry a prince.'

What about Pocahontas, she's a Disney princess and married John Rolfe, who isn't a prince.( 213.10.46.8 (talk) 17:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC) )

You're right, of course. Feel free to remove it. Powers ^T 17:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

OK, I will. Thanks.(213.10.46.8 (talk) 11:50, 30 May 2009 (UTC))

There's no proof saying she got married to John Rolfe. In a relationship, yes, but not married. --Changedforbetter (talk) 21:39, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Sources

To properly indicate notability there should be more reliable non disney produced sources showing that the character character has achieved notability in wider culture.RafikiSykes (talk) 15:44, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree, and the same could be said of all the other Disney Princess characters (aside from Ariel). They're all lacking in the whole reliable third-party references department. That isn't to say that the sources aren't out there, however. It's just a matter of finding them--GroovySandwich^Yum. 15:54, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Good point. Apart from the very well referenced Ariel article all the princesses could benefit from some referencing.RafikiSykes (talk) 16:02, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Is nationality/religion really necessarr?

Title says it all. DmitarIvanov (talk) 03:02, 21 September 2012 (UTC)DmitarIvanov

The one she was modeled after

Majority of what I researched said that Jasmine was modelled after Henn's sister but imbd also says that Jennifer Connelly was referred to as well. Should this be included or not? Euphoria7824 (talk) 03:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

"She is an official Disney Princess with an Arabic Appearance."

This text is being repeatedly added by a dynamic IP editor. It has been repeatedly removed as redundant.

The article says, "Jasmine is a member of the Disney Princess line-up." It also says, "Nationality: Arab". The text being added is completely redundant. - SummerPhD (talk) 00:41, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Personality section

A Personality or Characteristics section is used for the: Cinderella, Aurora, Snow White, Ariel, and Pocahontas pages. The Jasmine sections should be restored. 174.22.13.176 (talk) 20:10, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Moving to Jasmine (Disney)

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below; as noted, there is no ambiguity in this case. Dekimasuよ! 00:26, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

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Princess Jasmine → Jasmine (Disney) – Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 August 25. --76.175.67.121 (talk) 21:39, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose, its naturally disambiguated Gregkaye ✍♪ 01:09, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
• Comment That has nothing to do with this article, since this article is not a franchise article, it is a fictional character article. If it were a franchise article, that might make sense, but it isn't, so a different rationale should be used. Indeed this isn't even the main character for the franchise, who is Aladdin, not Jasmine, so the category appears to be misnamed if it is to function as a category for the franchise, since it is the Aladdin franchise not the Jasmine franchise -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 05:43, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. I'd support the others but this is natural disambiguation. Red Slash 02:08, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
• Support for consistency. They should either be [Charname] (Disney) or Princess [Charname]. Since the latter isn't being suggested (and could still be potentially ambiguous in some cases), I support the former. There's no reason Jasmine should get the Princess X treatment and not the other Disney princesses. Reach Out to the Truth 04:04, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment Consistency with fictional characters would suggest [charname (character)] first and [charname (Disney character)] if other characters share the name -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:16, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose We currently have natural disambiguation. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 05:14, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

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Age again

We need a good source for any age. Ideally it would come straight from Disney. What we shouldn't use is the "15 things you didn't know about..." pieces that pseudo-journalists write, using Wikipedia as a source. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 21:57, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

For those wondering about the existing source, it's completely unreliable. Why? Well, the source that people keep adding (http://www.disenchantedmusical.com/57-things-you-never-knew-about-disney-princesses/) refers to the Jasmine page at the Disney Wiki on Wikia. That's bad enough, considering Wikia articles are editable by anyone just like Wikipedia. In addition, the Wikia article used the Disenchanted Musical page as a source for Jasmine's age. It's since been removed. TLDR: recursive sources = not reliable. clpo13_(talk) 18:08, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Seems that #Age? did not resolve it. I came across http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/princess-jasmine/quiz/show/342626/who which states:

When she is first introduced, Princess Jasmine is a few days short of her 16th birthday

However it is not sourced and probably just based on assuming good faith in the Wikia page. It seems as if w:c:Disney:Jasmine does not even list this information anymore. I still see it mentioned at w:c:Aladdin:Jasmine as being 15 while w:c:DisneyPrincess:Jasmine says 16. w:c:Characters:Jasmine (Disney) says 15 and that Snow White is 14. The problem is that none of these Wikia sources list references. All I can see of benefit here is seeing which user added the information to the page and to contact them to see if they remember any actual sources (movie quotes, toy packaging, statements from creators) this might have been based on, in case it's not pure fancruft.

If we have no source at all for Jasmine's age then should we even list her in the fictional teenagers category? What if she is 12 or 20? If we can't get specifics can we at least get some kind of "bah... teenagers!" statement from the Sultan?

I think I figured out a possible source for this idea. The final script has Sultan say "by your next birthday" but according to this 2008 post and this 2009 post an earlier work print for the film may have initially indicated Jasmine to be 16 prior to a last-minute change to a more ambiguous statement. I have not actually seen the raw work print and cannot verify that it said this though, but this is likely where people got the data. Figuring "even if it's not in the final canon we'll consider it so due to lack of data" or whatever. Since the final film did not include it though, it does not seem grounds to determine Jas to be 16 or a teen at all, even if we might casually think of her this way based on it. 184.146.6.191 (talk) 19:34, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Martial arts

I see she was put into a "fictional martial artists" category but I see no other mention of martial arts within the article. Is a specific art mentioned somewhere I didn't notice? Has she been described as a martial artist in dialogue or a reliable source?

Inevitably I'm sure she's done some fighting in one of the TV series episodes but simply fighting doesn't make one a martial artist so I think we should source this or remove the category. I already commented out the 'teen' category until that is confirmed, should the same be done to this one? 19:07, 14 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.146.6.191 (talk)

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Jasmine's technically "white". It would make more sense to call her the first "Non European" Disney Princess.

Her article keeps calling her and citing articles calling her "non-white" or a "Person of Color". But Jasmine was made by an American company and by American standards she is "white". If you she wanna go further, several other countries also consider their Arab populations as "white".

It would make more sense/be "neutral" to call Jasmine Disney's first "Non European Princess". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shatter Sky (talk • contribs) 02:57, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Per WP:NPOV, Wikipedia strives to reflect what independent reliable sources say. As you said, the sources say "non-white" and "person of color", so that's what the article says. If the sources all said she is a cheese sandwich, Wikipedia would say she is a cheese sandwich. - SummerPhD^v2.0 03:54, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Twitter reactions to Naomi Scott's skin tone

An article here did a survey of Twitter users and came to the conclusion that some Twitter users considered Naomi Scott skin tone to be too light to accurately reflect how they perceived the character of Jasmine should appear. Other Twitter users thought the casting was fine. Selected reading of Twitter comments can pretty much get any point of view possible that a writer wishes to push and even then the article did cover both sides of the issue. The reference does not support the POV of "Scott was heavily criticized for her portrayal of Princess Jasmine". Also I don't think a survey of Twitter users is a good source of any commentary for any Wikipedia article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:54, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
To add: Aladdin (2019 film) § Development and casting handles the issue of casting, and Scott's non-Arabic ethnicity, appropriately and neutrally. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:15, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 7 July 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 09:07, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

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• Jasmine (Disney character) → Jasmine (Aladdin)
• Jafar (Disney) → Jafar (Aladdin)
• Iago (Disney) → Iago (Aladdin)
• Genie (Disney) → Genie (Aladdin)

– We should use the movie title to refer to these discussions rather than just Disney. Interstellarity (talk) 23:56, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

• Support. Changing the name would put it in line with the other Disney Princess articles such as Belle (Beauty and the Beast), Elsa (Frozen), Ariel (The Little Mermaid) and Rapunzel (Tangled). Clear Looking Glass (talk) 17:59, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support so that everything is consistent. Aoba47 (talk) 01:45, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support per above. Pamzeis (talk) 01:59, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

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Regarding the recent page move

Look at Talk:Rosalina (Mario). I wanted the page moved to Rosalina (Nintendo) because I didn't like the idea of women being dis-ambiguated in a way that means they're associated with men. For a while my move was supported by people who saw it, but later people started opposing it with the words "don't confuse 2 meanings of Mario; the character and the franchise". (See the requested move over there for details.) Now, this page got a requested move that did succeed, and the same "don't confuse" rule applies. The terminology for the requested move of this page that did succeed would be "don't confuse 2 meanings of Aladdin; the character and the movie". Georgia guy (talk) 10:30, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Is there as policy or guideline that discusses this? Pamzeis (talk) 11:33, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

You're also using a WP:IDONTLIKEIT argument which holds no weight. Pamzeis (talk) 11:42, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Your I don't like it link points to a deletion discussion, User:Pamzeis. Georgia guy (talk) 11:53, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I linked the wrong item but you're still using a WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT argument. You also didn't answer my question. Pamzeis (talk) 12:02, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Writing about women. Georgia guy (talk) 12:34, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

In a nutshell, the essay (not policy or guideline) states we should not use sexist language or stereotypes or attack women in any way. Titling a character article after the film she was in does not fit any of the examples I mentioned above. It is simply disambiguating her from other articles. The fact that it is in italics also suggests it's a film. I feel you're reasoning fails as using "(Disney character)" also associates it with a male and a company that has males as the chairman and CEO. With that being said, the reason the article is titled this way is because of WP:NCF#Character articles (a guideline), which recommends titling articles after their film/film series/franchises, as well as to be WP:CONSISTENT (a policy) with other Disney characters articles. If you don't like the article being titled this way, start a requested move, there's nothing preventing you from doing so. Pamzeis (talk) 13:47, 25 July 2021 (UTC)