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Good article reassessment

Good article reassessment (GAR) is a process primarily used to determine whether an article that is listed as good article (GA) still merits its good article status according to the good article criteria, and to delist it if not. There are two types of reassessment: individual reassessment and community reassessment. An individual reassessment is discussed on the article talk page and concluded by a single editor in much the same way as a review of a good article nomination. Community reassessments are listed for discussion on this page and are concluded according to consensus. Where possible, editors should conduct an individual reassessment, while community reassessment should be used if delisting is likely to be controversial. Community reassessments can also be used to challenge a fail during a good article nomination. This is not a peer review process; for that use Wikipedia:Peer review. The outcome of a reassessment should only depend on whether the article being reassessed meets the good article criteria or not. Many problems, including the presence of dead URLs, inconsistently formatted citations, and compliance with the Manual of Style are not covered by the GA criteria and therefore not grounds for delisting.

Unless an article's issues are extensive, consider taking the following steps before initiating a reassessment:

  1. Fix any simple problems yourself. Do not waste minutes explaining or justifying a problem that you could fix in seconds. GAR is not a forum to shame editors over easily fixed problems.
  2. Tag serious problems that you cannot fix with appropriate template messages, if the templates will help other editors find the problems. Do not tag bomb the article.
  3. Notify major contributors to the article and the relevant Wikiprojects. Remember, the aim is not to delist the article, but to fix it.

A list of all open GA reassessment nominees may be found at Category:Good article reassessment nominees.

Articles needing possible reassessment

Occasionally, rather than initiating either individual or community reassessment, an editor will merely tag the article as possibly needing reassessment. These tagged articles are listed on this page and each needs the attention of an editor to decide if reassessment is required. To tag an article, {{GAR request}} is placed at the top of the article talk page.

Individual reassessment

When to use this process

  • Use the individual reassessment process when you find an article listed as a good article that you don't believe satisfies the good article criteria and:
    • You would like to receive input from a community of editors who watch the article talk page
    • You believe the decision to continue listing the article or to delist it should be yours, at the conclusion of a good article reassessment discussion (unless you believe a decision made by you is likely to be controversial, then opt for community reassessment instead)
  • Use the individual reassessment process if:
    • You are confident in your ability to assess the article
    • You are not a major contributor to the article
    • You know the article has not been delisted before
    • You don't see any ongoing content dispute or edit war
    • You are logged in (unless you are not a registered user, then you may try asking another editor to reassess the article)

Note

  • Individual reassessments do not appear below on the good article reassessment page; those are all community reassessments.

How to use this process

  • The instructions for individual reassessment are:
  1. Paste {{subst:GAR}} to the top of the article talk page. Do not place it inside another template. Save the page.
  2. Follow the first bold link in the template to create an individual reassessment page (while the second bold link creates a community reassessment page). The individual reassessment page for this article is created as a subpage of the article talk page.
  3. Leave an assessment on this page detailing your reasons for bringing the article to good article reassessment. List the problems you found with the article in comparison to the good article criteria. Save the page.
  4. From the article talk page, transclude the individual assessment page as follows: Create a new section named "Individual reassessment" and paste in
    {{Talk:ArticleName/GAn}}. Replace ArticleName with the name of the article and n with the subpage number of the reassessment page you just created.
  5. Notify major contributing editors, relevant WikiProjects for the article, and, if recently GA reviewed, the nominator and the reviewer. The {{GARMessage}} template can be used for notifications by placing {{subst:GARMessage|ArticleName|page=n}} ~~~~ on user talk pages. Replace ArticleName with the name of the article and n with the subpage number of the reassessment page you just created.
  6. Wait for other editors to respond.
  7. During the reassessment discussion, you must decide if the article has improved enough to meet the good article criteria. When the reassessment discussion has concluded, you may close it.
  8. To close the discussion, edit the individual reassessment page of the article. State the outcome of the discussion (whether there was consensus and what action was taken) and explain how the consensus and action was determined from the comments.
  9. The article either meets or does not meet the good article criteria:
    • If the article now meets the criteria, you can keep the article listed as GA. To do this, delete the {{GAR/link}} template from the article talk page and update the {{Article history}} template on the article talk page.
    • If the article still does not meet the criteria, you can delist it. To do this, remove the article from the relevant list at good articles, remove the {{good article}} template from the article page, remove the {{GAR/link}} template from the article talk page, update the {{Article history}} template on the article talk page (see example), and restore any project assessment values on the article talk page (check history to see what they were).


Good article reassessment
Community reassessment

When to use this process

  • Use the community reassessment process when you find an article listed as a good article that you don't believe satisfies the good article criteria and:
    • You would like to receive input from a community of editors who watch the good article reassessment page
    • You believe the decision to continue listing the article or to delist it should be the result of consensus, at the conclusion of a good article reassessment discussion (unless you believe a decision made by you is not likely to be controversial, then opt for individual reassessment instead)
  • Use the community reassessment process if:
    • You are not confident in your ability to assess the article
    • You are a major contributor to the article
    • You disagree with an earlier delist decision
    • You don't see any ongoing content dispute or edit war
    • You are logged in (unless you are not a registered user, then you may try asking another editor to reassess the article)
    • You disagree with a fail at Wikipedia:Good article nominations (however, it is rarely helpful to request a community reassessment for this; it is usually simpler to renominate it)

How to use this process

  • The instructions for community reassessment are:
  1. Paste {{subst:GAR}} to the top of the article talk page. Do not place it inside another template. Save the page.
  2. Follow the second bold link in the template to create a community reassessment page (while the first bold link creates an individual reassessment page). The community reassessment page for this article is created as a subpage of the good article reassessment page.
  3. Leave an assessment on this page detailing your reasons for bringing the article to good article reassessment. List the problems you found with the article in comparison to the good article criteria. Save the page. A bot will add the assessment to the GA reassessment page.
  4. From the article talk page, transclude the community assessment page as follows: Create a new section named "Community reassessment" and paste in
    {{WP:Good article reassessment/ArticleName/n}}. Replace ArticleName with the name of the article and n with the subpage number of the reassessment page you just created.
  5. Notify major contributing editors, relevant WikiProjects for the article, and the nominator and the reviewer. The {{GARMessage}} template can be used for notifications by placing {{subst:GARMessage|ArticleName|GARpage=n}} ~~~~ on user talk pages. Replace ArticleName with the name of the article and n with the subpage number of the reassessment page you just created.
  6. Wait for other editors to respond.
  7. During the reassessment discussion, consensus must decide if the article has improved enough to meet the good article criteria. When the reassessment discussion has concluded, any uninvolved editor may close it (if needed, a request may be made at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure).
  8. To close the discussion, edit the community reassessment page of the article and locate {{GAR/current}}. Replace it with {{subst:GAR/result|result=outcome}} ~~~~. Replace outcome with the outcome of the discussion (whether there was consensus and what action was taken) and explain how the consensus and action was determined from the comments. A bot will remove the assessment from the GA reassessment page and will add it to the current archive.
  9. The article either meets or does not meet the good article criteria:
    • If the article now meets the criteria, you can keep the article listed as GA. To do this, delete the {{GAR/link}} template from the article talk page and update the {{Article history}} template on the article talk page.
    • If the article still does not meet the criteria, you can delist it. To do this, remove the article from the relevant list at good articles, remove the {{good article}} template from the article page, remove the {{GAR/link}} template from the article talk page, update the {{Article history}} template on the article talk page (see example), and restore any project assessment values on the article talk page (check history to see what they were). A bot will remove and archive the assessment from the GA reassessment page.

Articles needing possible reassessmentEdit

The Good articles listed below would benefit from the attention of reviewers as to whether they need to be reassessed. In cases where they do, please open an individual or community reassessment and remove {{GAR request}} from the article talk page. In cases where they do not, simply delete the template from the article talk page.

The intention is to keep the above list empty most of the time. If an article is currently a featured article candidate, please do not open a reassessment until the FAC has been closed. To add an article to this list, add {{GAR request}} to the article talk page.

See also

Articles listed for community reassessmentEdit

Glina massacresEdit

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The article is not well-writen and not neutral. Use of unreliable sources, academically disqualified.

Misinterpretations and forgeriesEdit

  • Poorly equipped and poorly trained, the Royal Yugoslav Army was quickly defeated.[2] - false; the Royal Yugoslav Army was betrayed and sabotaged by German minority in Yugoslavia, by Croats and Slovenes, too
  • That is a common but mistaken trope about betrayal. The Army and Army Air Force were outclassed in every area, and the war was already largely over after the first four days due to collapse of the southern front. And this was before the fifth column elements made their presence felt post-10 April. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:39, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
Utter nonsense. First example: "Kapetan Vladimir Kren, kao organizovani ustaša, 3. aprila 1941. prebegao je iz Zagreba u Austriju i Nemcima dao podatke o letačkom rasporedu Jugoslovenskog ratnog vazduhoplovstva." from Petranović, Branko (1992). Srbija u Drugom svetskom ratu 1939—1945. Beograd: Vojnoizdavački i novinski centar. pages 100-101
Second example: "Slovenački predstavnici u Vladi Fran Kulovec i Miho Krek su 5. aprila 1941. preko Poslanstva Slovačke u Beogradu nudili Trećem Rajhu izdvajanje Slovenije iz sastava Kraljevine Jugoslavije pod uslovom da se garantuje integritet tako izdvojene Slovenije. " from Branko Petranović: ISTORIJA JUGOSLAVIJE, knjiga I - KRALJEVINA JUGOSLAVIJA , Nolit Beograd page 413
Third example: "A number of Croat officers even went to the extreme of committing acts of treason. In one such instance, an air force officer flew from Belgrade to Graz as early as 3 April and handed over to the Germans the highly classified list of airfields where the Yugoslav planes were dispersed. Thus, when the Luftwaffe struck these fields during the initial attack wave, it virtually wiped out what little Yugoslav air power there was. In the ground fighting, shortly after the Germans attacked, entire Croat units simply threw away their weapons and quit. In some instances, Croat officers led their men in organized attacks against Serb elements that ware actively resisting the invaders. On 8 April, Croat troops openly revolted in Vinkovci, the main railroad junction along the vital Belgrade-Zagreb line. They launched a concerted attack against the headquarters of First Army Group and held as prisoners its commander with his entire staff until they were rescued by loyal Serb troops. Such occurrences were not unusual and happened in other sectors as well." from PART TWO THE YUGOSLAV CAMPAIGN in The German Campaign in the Balkans by DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY WASHINGTON 25, D.C., 17 November 1953
Fourth example: About treasonous behavior of the Yugoslav Volksdeutsche male population read in The Danube Swabians: German Populations in Hungary, Rumania and Yugoslavia, and Hitler’s impact on their Patterns by G.C. Paikert, Springer Science & Business Media, Dec 6, 2012 page 276 here--Bocin kolega (talk) 10:29, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
I acknowledge all of that, but fifth column activity was ancillary to the actual fighting. Tomasevich 1975 pp. 84–86 weighs it up and makes that clear. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:20, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
Huh, you are playing again with names and pages?! What exactly your Tomasevich (amateur historian) wrote there? How he countered Petranovic (a history Universty professor) and the US Army military analysts about treason and sabotages? Somewhere else, the same Tomasevich wrote: "The chief task of the Yugoslav Volskdeutsche at the time of the invasion was to act as a fifth column. Under Janko's direction, German men had been organized into a sports group, the Deutsche Mannschaft. Overnight it was converted into a paramilitary organization that collaborated with German forces entering the Banat from Romania and with those entering Slovenia, and Slavonia form Austria and western Hungary."--Bocin kolega (talk) 13:43, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
You can't have it both ways, dismiss Tomasevich on one hand and use him as an example on the other. Your argumentation is barely coherent. Tomasevich p. 86 concludes, inter alia, "The rapid military collapse of the Yugoslav army in April 1941 was the consequence of the tremendous economic and military discrepancy between the adversaries... All other factors, including the fifth-column activity, were ancillary, having nominal effect on the speed and totality of the military collapse, and only a small effect on the way in which the army and the state collapsed." Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:03, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
I am not dismissig Tomasevich this way - just pointing at contradicion in his writings. I'm dismissing him as a military analyst since he is not a military analyst. On my side I referenced the credible military analysis - the US Army analysis from 1953.--Bocin kolega (talk) 09:46, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
It is not a contradiction. Tomasevich acknowledges the fifth column activity, but says that it was only ancillary to the final outcome. He says the defeat was due to the mismatch between the forces. ie that the Yugoslavs were outclassed. Do you have a reliable source that contradicts that assessment, or just a grab bag of mentions of the fifth column activity that admittedly occurred? BTW, the US Army analysis, which was drawn from debriefs of German commanders, is 20 years older than Tomasevich, and on p. 66 actually agrees with Tomasevich. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:27, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Chapter 11 of the US Army analysis lists three reasons for destruction of the Jugoslav army not reducing it to pure technical superiority of Germans nor it says anything about insignificance of treason and the fifth column. Tomasevich js just an amateur as to the military affairs here.--Bocin kolega (talk) 09:03, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Glina is a small market town[13] in the Banovina[14] region of Croatia located about 55 kilometers (34 miles) south of Zagreb.[15] - it's enough to write Glina to see the town's geographical coordinates
Nonsense--Bocin kolega (talk) 10:29, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
I think I have more of idea what is normal practice on en WP when explaining where a location is. What exactly is your problem with saying what size the town was, in what region it lies and how far it is from Zagreb? Seems a strange position to take. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:10, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
  • In 1931, the town itself had a population of 2,315 people[13] and was inhabited mostly by Serbs, Croats, and Jews.[16] - arbitrarily written; actually there was 53% Croats 47% Serbs, a few Jews, In addition the Glina district population had 2/3 Serbs accordng to the 1931 census
  • No-one is stopping you from adding this information, assuming you have a reliable source for it. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:03, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
  • This is an assertion, not what I'm supposed to do--Bocin kolega (talk) 11:02, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
  • If you don't have a reliable source for the information, just say so, and then drop it. Otherwise, indicate where you have got this information. Because that's how we decide whether information goes in an article. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:10, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
I gave the most reliable source supporting my statement above - the Kingdom of Yugoslavia 1931 census.--Bocin kolega (talk) 13:43, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
It is a primary source for starters. What is the citation for the 1931 census? What page is it on? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:58, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Please, troll elsewere.--Bocin kolega (talk) 09:48, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
Accusing an editor of trolling without any basis is a personal attack. Personal attacks are not permitted on WP. Pull your head in. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:55, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
Without any basis, you say? Here is visible that you removed the disputed tag twice claiming that nothing was given on talk page justifying the tag, contrary to the facts. Here at the beginning of this entry I clearly stated "accordng to the 1931 census" You again pretended not to see the fact. This kind of behavior is trolling.--Bocin kolega (talk) 17:10, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
I didn't pretend not to see it, I asked for a reference, a published version of the 1931 census and page number so the material can be added to the article. There is little point in saying something should be added to the article without providing a citation to the reliable source you are suggesting contains the information. Otherwise it is just your say-so, and we don't add material to articles on the say-so of an editor. Have you actually read this information in a copy of the census? If so, it must have information about its publication, and you must be able to provide a page number. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:15, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
You again pretending? What was the reason for removing the disputed tag twice? As to the census, find it and download it, use the proper document viewer and search for the "Glina" string. Come back when you do what is asked here.--Bocin kolega (talk) 09:07, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
You are the one suggesting the article is inaccurate, so the burden is on you to produce the source. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:50, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm not suggesting, the proof is given. For verification purposes, get Definitivni rezultati popisa stanovnistva od 31 marta 1931 godine:Prisutno stanovnistvo po veroispovesti, page 86 a secondary source is BOLJE DA TI UĐE U KUĆU VUK, NEGO PUK.--Bocin kolega (talk) 12:25, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
  • The Ustaše then locked inside[20] and massacred[21] those who did not possess conversion certificates, including priest Bogdan Opačić.[19] The bodies were then left to burn as the Ustaše set the church on fire[15] and waited outside to shoot any survivors attempting to escape the flames.[21] On 13 May, a further 100 Serb males were executed by the Ustaše in the nearby village of Prekopa.[22] - completely false. Ustase arested (May 11-13) all males they were able to catch, transported by trucks to village Prekopa where a mass grave was already dug shot them by a firing squad (417 or 437 persons)
  • The next day, Pavelić visited Rome and was granted a private audience with Pope Pius XII, who offered de facto recognition of the NDH on behalf of the Holy See. Although he was aware that Pavelić was a totalitarian dictator, there is no evidence that he had knowledge of the first Glina massacre at the time.[7] Midlarsky actually said, "Four days after the Glina masssacre, Pavelic had a "devotional" meeting with Pope Pius XII in the Vatican; at the same time, the Holy See granted de facto recognition to the newly created Nazi puppet Independent State of Croatia. As John Cornwell indicates, there is no evidence that the pope was aware of these massacres that time." - from the talk page
  • Estimates of the number of Serbs killed on 11–13 May vary. Historians Jozo Tomasevich[15] and Ivo Goldstein put the number at 260.[23] Historians Sabrina P. Ramet[24] and Marko Attila Hoare estimate that about 300 Serbs were massacred[25] while historian Davide Rodogno puts the number at 417 killed.[26] - Tomasevich (a writer, not hstorian) and Goldstein are quoting some letter supposed to be written by Stepinac and sent to Pavelic, Ramet and Hoare - no primary sources cited, Rodogno cited the "Promemoria per il duce con allegata una relazione del 9 Iuglio redatta dal Comando dei C.C.R.R. dela II Armata" document sent by the Second Italian Army Command to Mussolini dated on July 9 1941. Rodogno wrote, In the district of Glima more than 18 000 Serbs were murdered, 417 of them butchered inside the Orthodox church.
  • On the night of 30 July 1941, a massacre similar to the one in May again occurred in Glina.[18] - not similar at all; see my comment above
  • About one month later, the church was burned down by the Ustaše.[22] - not burned rather destroyed; a proposal given by a German officer (Openheim) to turn the church into a movie theatre or some other public use building was rejested by local Roman Catholic priest (Franc Žužek)
  • Estimates of the number of Serbs killed from 30 July to 3 August vary widely. Sociologist Damir Mirković[18] and historian Paul Mojzes state that 700 Serbs were killed.[30] Journalist Tim Judah puts the number at 1,200,[31] and historian Iván T. Berend writes that the Ustaše killed 1,800 people.[32] Hoare writes that as many as 2,000 Serbs were murdered.[33] - primary souces not given nor used to verify "estimates". By name, there was identified 203 persons, the number in the church slaughtered = 900, from the mass graves exhavated 2000 skulls. Berend wrote "The terrible incidents of Glina, one of the first scenes of the new confrontation, where Croat fascists slaughtered 1,800 Serbs in a church and on the outskirts of the township in 1941" not giving dates.
  • From an estimated 300,000 Croatian Serbs that were murdered by the Ustaše from 1941 to 1945,[14] more than 18,000 were from Glina at its surroundings.[26] - far from true, Rodogno cited Italian war time document saing that 18 000 were killed until July 9 1941 in the Glina district
  • That summer, the Ustaše had offered amnesty for all Serbs in the NDH who would convert from Eastern Orthodoxy to Roman Catholicism. Many Serbs responded positively, and one group turned up at a Serbian Orthodox church in Glina where a conversion ceremony was to take place.[27] -taken out of context. The truth is: Glenny quoted a Nuremberg testimony, as it was given in Der Kroatische Ustascha Staat, page 101. From the testimony given by Ljuban Jednak, there was a large group of male Serbs, between age 16-60, who were arrested in the Glina district and put in Topusko district prison and the prison yard. They were told that all arrested Serbs would be sent to Lika for a forced labor. All arrested Serbs were tied by wire and transported to Glina in cattle wagons. Jednak mentioned the cattle wagon capacity was 150-160 persons and there were at least two wagons used for that purpose.
  • From talkpage, slightly edited and verified
Viktor Meier in his Yugoslavia: A History of Its Demise on page 127 says: The murderous actions of the Ustaše against the Serbian population in Lika, in Banija, and in Bosnia began around June 1941, around Glina, where the Ustaše Minister of Justice, Marko Puk, had his political base.
In the article Meier was interpreted as: Shortly after the Ustaše took power, the Croatian Minister of Justice, Mirko Puk, established a base in the town.[18]
  • In Chapter 9 The Genocidal Twentieth Century in the Balkans by Paul Mojzes of the Confronting Genocide: Judaism, Christianity, Islam by Steven Leonard Jacobs (ed.) Lexington Books, May 16, 2009 we have on
page 159: Sometimes entire villages were completely
page 160: wiped out, such as Prkos in Kordun, Croatia; at other times, more than one massacre occured in the same village, such as Glina where a first massacre was followed by the slaughter of about 700 peasants, who were taken to a church, ostensibly to be converted to Catholicism (Mirković, 1993: 324)
In the article the quoted text above was interpreted as: Estimates of the number of Serbs killed from 30 July to 3 August vary widely. Sociologist Damir Mirković[19] and historian Paul Mojzes state that 700 Serbs were killed.[31]
First of all, Mojzes did not mention any dates, just wrote: first massacre was followed by the slaughter of about 700 peasants quoting Mirković. Actually, there were two massacres: one between July 26-29 and the other between August 3-5 1941. Obviously Mojzes refers to the first one.

Use of sources disqualified academicallyEdit

Use of marginal to this topic authors and their worksEdit

Marginal authors and their works: Singleton, Berend, Ash, Hoare, Meier, Dizdar, Glenny, Segel instead expert authors like: Aralica, Bulajić and Vujasinović et al

  1. Аралица, Ђуро (2010). УСТАШКИ ПОКОЉИ СРБА У ГЛИНСКОЈ ЦРКВИ (PDF) (in Serbian). Музеј жртава геноцида Београд. ISBN 978-86-86831-03-3.
  2. Bulajić, Milan (1988). Ustaški zločini genocida i suđenje Andriji Artukoviću 1986. godine, kniga 2. (in Serbian). Rad Beograd.
  3. Vujasinović, Brankо; Višnjić, Čedomir; Roksandić, Đurо (2011). Glina 13. maja 1941. (in Croatian). SKD Prosvjeta Zagreb.

--Bocin kolega (talk) 19:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

23 editor just making sure you are aware of this, as you have access to some sources. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:40, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Parkala MassacreEdit

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WBG's commentsEdit

  • Fails Criterion 2 (c)
    Two of the used sources:- 1 and 2 don't mention anything about the subject. Nothing in those two sources leads one to conclude that Parkala was one of the massacres that led Nehru to annex the state.
    I have read Moraes' biography of Nehru and I have not come across any mention of the Parkala incident. The cited page is [available over GBooks and mention nothing about the subject.
  • Fails Criterion 2 (b)
    Itihas Samachar is not a reliable journal. There is complete lack of relevant bibliographic data (publisher, peer reviewed or not .....). I searched across WorldCat and catalogs of multiple Indian-university-libraries but in vain. I don't locate mentions of it in bibliographic records of other reliable books/articles.
    Swarajya is a right-wing mouthpiece; who has of-late purchased Op-India (that has been deemed as wholesale unreliable per RSN consensus). Given RSS's appropriation of the massacre; their reliability of documenting the subject is of significant doubt. They fail WP:HISTRS and it's political overtones are amply clear.
  • Fails Criterion 3 (a)
    The entire incident is covered in two paragraphs and hardly achieves the level of detail required for a GA.
  • This is a very poorly documented massacre and my searches across multiple online and offline repositories has nor provided me with any reliable source to salvage this GA. The nominator disagrees with my stance (and we have intensively conflicted). Hence, am bringing this before the broader community. Regards, WBGconverse 06:10, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Vanamonde's commentsEdit

  • Delist, per my comments at the talk page about the depth of coverage, and concerns above about verifiability. The article as a whole is under 400 words long; minus the lead, background, and aftermath, the rest (about the incident itself) is approximately 150 words. This doesn't make it a terrible article, but some topics are simply not covered in enough detail to become GAs. As an aside, given that this is a community reassessment, I would suggest not using so many sections, or alternatively making subsections within a "Editor X's comments" section. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:53, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
    Vanamonde93, my second GAR :-( Feel free to resection/re-title, as you deem fit. WBGconverse 14:34, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
    No worries, refactored. Easier to parse, now, I think; also easier for others to comment, by adding their own section. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:37, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Gog the MildEdit

  • Delist, per Vanamonde. It is also marginal for 1a. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:17, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

SmartsheetEdit

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The GA status of this article strikes me as fishy- it was initiated by CorporateM (talk · contribs), a wikipedian who admits to running a business that "contributed more than 50 Good Article-ranked pages about businesses and individuals", and completed by Samtar (talk · contribs), who I wasn't able to find much on.

As for the article itself, it's decently NPOV and does an okay job of talking about the company and the product, but there's not a lot of content. If GA is supposed to identify articles that are better than average, but not at FA status, I wouldn't argue that this page meets that criteria. Given my inexperience as an editor, I'm nominating it for community reassessment. Rivselis (talk) 21:52, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

I reviewed the article and I must say I was not really impressed. I could immediately tell that criteria 1a and 1b of GAC needed attention. I also uploaded a new logo, added two {{citation needed}} tags, two {{Clarification needed}} tags, and fixed one contradictory statement. (And I learned about all of these today.) It still needs more work. flowing dreams (talk page) 10:52, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

TurkeyEdit

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Would love some help in trying to bring this back up to GA standards and perhaps FA in the process. I am asking for help by way of a review because it's an article with a contentious history and I think multiple editors should be involved. We have a few problems that have arisen since this was look at in 2015.....we have ref needed tags, update tags, when tags, whole paragraphs missing sources , and a religious section that looks like it was copy and pasted from the main articles bloating the article.--Moxy 🍁 22:38, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


SkånelandEdit

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The page has been tagged {{POV}} since Sept. 2014. I am not sure if the tag is still appropriate, but if it is, this article needs to be delisted per WP:GAFAIL #3. --MrClog (talk) 09:31, 24 May 2019 (UTC)


LaoziEdit

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There are several reasons this article's status as a Good Article needs to be reviewed.

  • First, & most visible, is the presence of a "Todo" list on the Talk page. While one can add a list of Todos to a Good Article to help an editor improve it to Featured Article level, a disinterested consideration of these 3 items will show these clearly question the GA rating.
  • Second, but also critical, is that the GA review for this article was performed in January 2008 (it can be found here), & while it was satisfactory for its time, that review IMHO does not meet current standards. That review was little more than a critique of the wording & grammar, & failed to consider any issues of content or coverage.

The following points address short comings concerning content & coverage.

  • The section about his name is poorly organized. The issue about his name -- Lao Tzu -- is that it could be interpreted as either "Master Lao" or "The Old Master". Thus there is no certainty about his personal name. What we know about his personal name comes from Sima Qian, as does practically everything we know about the historic Lao Tzu, as opposed to the later legends that accreted to the man. That we depend so much on Sima Qian is obscured by the organization of this section, which quotes solely & crudely from secondary sources.

    What I would do with this section is to begin with the ambiguity of the meaning of "Lao Tzu", then note that Sima Qian provides several names of people who were identified with him from different sources. As for the legendary names (e.g. "Supreme Old Lord"), while they could be mentioned here -- along with Huang-Lao -- I feel they would fit better in the section "Influence", for reasons I provide below.

  • There is nothing about the date of Lao Tzu, except for a sentence in the lead paragraphs. This is a complex issue that deserves discussion in detail. On the one hand, one of the anecdotes Sima Qian records makes Lao Tzu an older contemporary of Confucius, which would put his flourit in the 6th century BC. On the other hand, the state of the Guodian Manuscripts suggest that this work may have been assembled from a number of texts during the late 4th / early 3rd Centuries BC; William H. Baxter provides an analysis of the rhymes in the Tao Te Ching -- which is an important & widely recognized method for reconstructing the words of Classical Chinese -- which dates this work to the "late 4th or early 3rd century BCE". Thus it is likely that the person(s) responsible wrote later in a pseudepigraphical mode, presenting ideas they believed the Old Master advocated.
  • The issue of authorship is treated in a binary form: either the Tao Te Ching had one author & thus one voice, or it is an anthology of sayings lacking any unifying point of view. It does not recognize that at the time Chinese culture did not recognize the idea of a work having a single author, but as the statement of a corporate body, a school of thought. Thus this work could both be a unified whole & the product of several people.
  • Here again the fact that all we know of the historic Lao Tzu comes from Sima Qian's brief biography; an English translation is barely longer than a single printed page. Yet this brief biography is full of problems. Sima Qian even admits at one point the material he had is unreliable. Thus this work needs explication by experts. One expert source would be A.C. Graham's essay "The Origins of the Legend of Lao Tan", which deconstructs this biography, providing a convincing theory of why Lao Tzu was associated with the attested Lao Tan (the older contemporary of Confucius), & how other traditions accreted around this germ of an idea.
  • Here I have point out that many of the sources cited in this article are unsatisfactory. Few of them appear to be written by experts on Chinese history, let alone experts of the period Lao Tzu belongs to, which is the Warring States period. The few that are reliable sources are cited in an unsatisfactory way. For example, Kohn & LaFargue's book Lao-tzu and the Tao-te-ching is a collection of essays & the articles it comprises need to be cited separately, not as if Kohn & LaFargue wrote the entire book.
  • The later legends presented in this section would be better discussed in the "Influence" section for reasons I discuss below.
  • The section about the Tao Te Ching is one of the strongest parts of the article, yet is still unsatisfactory. While the section provides a discussion of how this work relates to Philosophical Taoism, it omits any mention of how it relates to the Taoist Religion, a movement that includes such practices as alchemy, meditation, sexual practices, search for immortality, & related interests. (There are several essays in Kohn & LaFargue's book which could provide material to fill this gap.) But that he was associated with the Taoist religion is clear from the names later Chinese gave him mentioned above, as well as his incorporation into the personage "Huang-Lao".
  • The section "Influence" is probably the most unsatisfactory part of this article. It gives undue emphasis to its claimed influence on Libertarianism. That some Libertarians claim Lao Tzu was an ancient precursor is undeniable, yet his greatest influence is not even in politics but in religion. He is better known in the West for his reputation as a mystic. And as I noted at several points above, there is very little in this article about his influence in later Chinese thought. (I note here that there is no native libertarian tradition in Chinese intellectual thought; rather, China is known for creating the first organized government bureaucracy, which lasted from the Han dynasty down to 1911.)

I would rewrite myself this article entirely, but I doubt the final product would meet GA standards. For one thing, I admit I don't know enough about Chinese intellectual tradition to explain Lao Tzu's role in it adequately. But perhaps there is someone who is able to make the necessary changes to get this article on an important subject to GA or even FA status. -- llywrch (talk) 06:30, 29 May 2019 (UTC)


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Looking through this page, I have noticed that their are certain sections of the article that doesn't have any references in it at all which in my eyes would fail if it was done today. There is also the fact that in the section, "Future lines discussed", there isn't enough prose in this section to have this bit of the article. Add to the fact that their are sections which needs a reference and it's probably worth a shot at maybe reassessing this article. HawkAussie (talk) 04:56, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

  • I agree that the article probably fails criteria 2a (list of all sources) and 2c (original research). I think it could be appropriate to just remove unreferenced material, since some of it is clearly unattributed speculation. Jc86035 (talk) 14:44, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Watford F.C.Edit

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I fail to see how this passed GA before, the current article is not up to current GA standards.

  • The chronological order in early history doesn't seem clear.
  • Missing the period (era) when Jack Petchey owned the football club as there is no mention of him what so ever.

I really feel the article needs to be reassessed and the current GA be dropped. Govvy (talk) 11:40, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

The first review Talk:Watford F.C./GA1 was hardly in-depth. However, the reassessment happens here before being removed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 12:00, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Govvy, are you looking to make improvements to the article yourself or simply want it downgraded? Kosack (talk) 12:05, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@Kosack: For the moment, just to downgrade the article. It's doesn't help either that there is currently an argument over the found date of the club, that also makes me feel that GA is void. Govvy (talk) 12:10, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
It'd be a shame as I think the core of the article is there and the majority of the damage has been done post-review. Kosack (talk) 12:22, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
I actually disagree to an extent, I didn't think the previous version was fantastic. However, there being a dispute over the date (with both sides being sourced) isn't an issue to stop this being a GA. Realistically, all sources should be used and associated in the text. The GAR is here to let people have a chance to fix issues with the text, so usually, you'd want to point out the biggest issues with the text. with that being said, this article does need a massive shakeup Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 14:55, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Oh there's definitely issues here no doubt about it and I think standards have improved in the seven years since this was promoted but we're not starting from scratch here. Kosack (talk) 15:44, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

E languageEdit

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As what I've just found, there are original researches for the contents citing the source "Greenhill, Blust & Gray 2008", and the article may not meet the second good article criterion: "Verifiable with no original research" (Criterion 2c. "It contains no original research…"). ΣανμοσαThe Trve Lawe of free Monarchies 02:21, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Delist, agree with Sanmosa. Additionally, some information given in the article is even wrong, and some are collected in irrelevant sources. The corresponding page in zhwiki has improved a lot during June, I believe that volunteers can translated those contents into enwiki. TongcyDai (talk) 09:48, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Delist, agree with Sanmosa n' TongcyDai. —— Eric LiuTalkChinese userpage 09:06, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment could some details of the OR and inaccuracies be given? No one has edited this article or the talk page since the GAR was filed. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:20, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Golden State KillerEdit

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Passed as a GA by an editor making only their 95th edit. Talk:Golden State Killer/GA1 was brief, to say the least. Although not unprecedented, I'd say it's unusual for an article of this length to pass without any changes being needed, no matter how small.

The article is a strange hybrid of information about an uncaught serial killer, and biography of the suspect. Yes I'm aware he's innocent until proven guilty per WP:BLP, but you have to look at things such as this pre-arrest section which still largely exists at Golden State Killer#Suspect profile and Golden State Killer#Suspects. Removing information about exonerated suspects, redundant lines of inquiry about construction work near 1979 Goleta murder etc. does't violate BLP, it keeps the article up to date and on-topic.

The lead doesn't summarise the article properly. To give just two examples, the claim about Virginia's DNA database being seen as the most effective and that Michelle McNamara coined the term Golden State Killer. While both are true, neither of these appears in the main body of the article.

The book source in footnote #2 is frequently cited without an accompanying page number. Footnote #9 appears to be a television show that is no longer available on the A&E Networks website, therefore unverifiable and needing to be replaced. Footnote #24 is hosted on googlepages and does not appear to be reliable. Footnotes #30, #34 and #38 s a podcast on Soundcloud hosted by "12-26-75". Simillarly Casefile podcast is used repeatedly. I listen to casefile, it's won awards, but it hasn't won them for its reporting and accuracy but for being entertaining. There's nothing in Wikipedia:Reliable sources about podcasts being reliable, although you could easily make a case for the LA Time's "Man In The Window" podcast about the Golden State Killer being reliable for example. Footnotes #36 and #37 are for what appears to be a self-published website about the Visalia Ransacker, the website's contact form makes it clear by the use of "don't hesitate to contact them [law enforcement]" makes it clear the publisher is independent of law enforcement. Why are we citing the opinions of random website creators about whether the Visalia Ransacker case was linked the Golden State Killer, when we should really be citing law enforcement and/or other reliable sources? Footnote #119 is a website titled "The Quester Files" containing all sorts of information about Bigfoot, UFOs, the Bermuda Triangle, the occult and cold cases. His about page makes lots of grandiose claims such as he is the "controversial and highest profiled independent investigator of the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker. His work as presented on the Q Files and in books has inspired the reopening of cases, national press conferences, and various news reports." Given the many reliable sources covering the case, do we really need to scrape the barrel with sources like this? This shouldn't be considering an exhaustive list of problematic sources, just ones that jumped off the page at me. The whole sourcing needs to be properly checked, and the many self-published ones replaced with more reliable sources. On the subject of sources the table of East Area Rapist attacks at Golden State Killer#East Area Rapist (June 1976–July 1979) contains many entries lacking a citation.

The above shouldn't be taken as a complete list of the problems with the article, hopefully other editors will be able to bring up any issues they see as well. Rising5554 (talk) 12:34, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

  • I too was startled to see this had passed GA. The concerns above are all valid, and here's another: the topic is huge, with many twists and turns and side trips, and even determining whether the article meets crit. 3 ("Broad in its coverage: it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail") would take a substantial amount of work, probably including interaction with the principal editors. EEng 17:21, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
  • I will also add that I haven't even checked if any of the sentences are accurately sourced by the sources cited. However picking one at random this source is being used to source the sentence "The FBI announced on June 15, 2016, that it was confident that the East Area Rapist murdered the Maggiores". While it is quite possible the FBI did indeed say that at their news conference it isn't covered in this source, the closest it gets is "Investigators believe the rapes and dozens of burglaries that were often used to scout neighborhoods escalated in 1978, when the killer fatally shot U.S. Air Force Sgt. Brian Maggiore and his wife Katie as they walked their dog". It's unclear whether the "investigators" referred to are police or FBI, and there's nothing about them being "confident". Based on this I would suggest the article needs to be carefully scrutinized. Also in the table of East Area Rapist attacks frequently contains sources such as this copy of a Sacramento Bee article. I'm not an expert on US copyright law, but it seems to me to be in violation of WP:COPYLINK? Rising5554 (talk) 19:10, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
    Another no-no. The review is obviously bogus and the GA status should be withdrawn. EEng 20:49, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Delist It seems very unlikely that, after a reasonably thorough review of an article of this size, a reviewer would find no WP:GACR violations, and not even have any questions, comments, or suggestions. The issues found by Rising5554 above are more than enough to convince me that the reviewer did not exercise sufficient care, or misunderstood the GA criteria or process. This was their first (and so far only) GA review, and as Rising5554 points out, they hadn't made many edits when they did the review, so likely just a case of inexperience rather than acting in bad faith. Pinging the reviewer, @Muttnick: (not to shame them, but just to make them aware of the reassessment, and give them an opportunity to respond - FYI, Rising, I think it's conventional to notify the reviewer and nominator with a {{GARMessage}} template on their talk page). Colin M (talk) 21:07, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Fix YouEdit

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Has had a verification tag since July 2017 and multiple parts clearly read like a bunch of bullet points thrown together. The "in popular culture" section is bulleted and has numerous that don't qualify WP:SONGCOVER. This should've been delisted years ago. – zmbro (talk) 02:46, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Delist Agree with nom. The "In popular culture" section is definitely the worst offender. That section didn't even exist in the reviewed version, but it's really gone to seed with non-notable, unreferenced covers since then. Also, some prose issues, e.g.
    • However, in other instances Martin has claimed that "Fix You" is influenced by (the "However" doesn't coherently connect with the text that came before)
    • The message throughout the song, in which Martin sings, is words of encouragement: "Lights will guide you home[...]
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  • Delist Horribly undersourced for its content, and the "in popular culture" segment is a trainwreck. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 03:25, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

International Phonetic AlphabetEdit

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There are long chunks of unreferenced sentences. I have identified and tagged, removed or corrected some OR and inaccuracies from time to time,[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] but problems persist. IMHO it does a poor job particularly of differentiating what is the official, canonical IPA as set out by the International Phonetic Association and what are applications of the IPA; for example, [brackets] and /slashes/ are the only enclosing symbols recognized by the IPA, but the article only distinguishes them and other conventions as "principal" and "less common", with hardly any citation.

It may have deserved GA in 2006 when it became one, but I don't think it meets the standards we now expect from GAs. Nardog (talk) 20:36, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

  • I'm not seeing reason to delist. It seems understandable that a fairly prominent article like this would get some noisy contributions from time to time, but the diffs you linked don't seem like major issues. Something like this for example is a fine correction, but it's quite a small detail - the 'wrongness' of the previous wording isn't such that it would affect my thinking about GA status. The content you showed that you had removed for being unsourced or tagged with {{citation needed}} don't seem like they belong to one of the categories of statements for which the WP:GACR require inline citations. You clearly have a lot of expertise on this topic. On the one hand, that gives you a better ability than me to sniff out factually questionable claims or missing coverage. But it might also lead you to hold the article to higher standards than an average reader (or reviewer) would. I don't think I follow your issue about differentiating "official, canonical IPA" and "applications of the IPA" in the current state of the article - but I'd be interested in reading more if you'd like to elaborate. Colin M (talk) 22:04, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Wizards of the CoastEdit

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This was reasonably promoted to GA status ten years ago. Since then, however, I believe the article has suffered sufficiently that it is no longer GA. There are numerous reasons for this, however, for brevity I note the following three, specifically:

  1. Approximately 25-percent of all sources in the article are to the company's own website or press releases. While much of this content is relatively basic information, it's previously been demonstrated (e.g. here) that the company publishes significant exaggerations about it and its employees' accomplishments and even the most basic content cited to the company itself should be viewed with a great deal of suspicion.
  2. The article omits a major, mid 2000s abortive initiative [10], [11], [12] that was characterized by many sources as a "critical failure", though there are more RS about this than just about any other aspect of the company.
  3. The article omits a major IP dispute that led to a protracted, federal lawsuit against Pokemon even though, again, there are more RS about this than pretty much the rest of the company's history combined (see: [13], [14], [15], [16], etc.).

Chetsford (talk) 07:59, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Comment: These all seem fixable. I will see what I can do this week with the limited time that I have. BOZ (talk) 11:58, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  • That's great, thank you! This was a GAR in progress and I hadn't fully submitted it yet but I'll just backburner it until you have time to look at it further. Chetsford (talk) 16:38, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I guess that was my error then; I saw your edit to the article's talk page and found this page. I think these can be fixed, especially with some assistance. :) BOZ (talk) 18:12, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I have a bit of time today so I'm adding in citations next to the press releases. I'm leaving up the press release citations for right now so someone else can confirm the new citations are a good replacement. Sariel Xilo (talk) 17:12, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
I did a first sweep through the following sections: Acquisition by Hasbro, 2000s–2010s Sariel Xilo (talk) 19:32, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment: Chetsford Per point 3, the article does mention the lawsuit towards the end of the "Acquisition of TSR and Pokémon TCG" section. I only compared random revisions back to August 2011 but it appears to have been included for a while. I was actually thinking of moving the bit on the lawsuit into the "2000 – 2010" section to improve readability. Sariel Xilo (talk) 00:06, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
    I haven't reviewed your work on the article in detail, but hopefully it resolved the bulk of the above raised concerns? BOZ (talk) 20:57, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment: Sariel Xilo - I just read all your updates and revisions. You did an amazing job and definitely addressed all my concerns. Thank you for your thoroughness! Chetsford (talk) 21:09, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment. I agree that possibly something about Gleemax should be included, per Chetsford, but not TOO much - failed multi-million dollar projects are not really uncommon at large corporations. It also leads into the slightly sensationalistic murder of Melissa Batten, which I'm not sure is super-relevant.
For the Magic The Gathering section, it goes into great detail about the change in Core Sets, which is weird and not exactly super-relevant? Core Sets are a small part of Magic's overall sales from a corporate perspective: it's like talking extensively about ticket sales to preseason football games. They exist, but they aren't the important part. Overall sales of Magic would be much more interesting to talk about, as would good & bad years / expansions. (For example, Mirrodin block in 2004-2005 set sales records that weren't exceeded for some time afterward, implying a dropoff later.) SnowFire (talk) 16:41, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Battle of ManzikertEdit

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1. The lede of the article has a number of references, which should be avoided. A lede should summarise the article, and references there are unnecessary.

2. The article lacks references.

2.1. The second paragraph in the "Background" chapter has the non-sequitur issue.
2.2. The first three paragraphs in the "Prelude" chapter is not referenced, and the text is sandwiched between the two images.
2.3 The second paragraph in the "Battle" chapter is not referenced.
2.4 The third paragraph in the "Captivity of Romanos Diogenes" chapter is not referenced.
2.5 The first two, fifth and sixth paragraphs in the "Aftermath" chapter are not referenced.

3. There is a problem with the references. The footnotes aren't uniformed. While some just use the author's name, title and page number, other use author's name, book title, publisher, place of publishing, etc. Sometimes, only a link is used. --Governor Sheng (talk) 15:10, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

While I feel point #1 is not significant, points 2 & 3 are. I have started addressing point #3, & will give the citation format a complete overhaul in the next few days when I have the time. -- llywrch (talk) 19:56, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
I forgot I made the following criticism about this article back in 2015:

I'm a little surprised that this article was considered GA quality. (I looked for the discussion that promoted this article, but it wasn't linked to this page.) While it is well-written, & I believe it explains its subject for the most part accurately, its sources are problematic. First, it appears to rely on the work of J.J. Norwich, although a decent historian, is more of a popularizer than standard references like Ostrogorsky & Vasiliev -- although mentioning Runciman helps. Another thing this article needs is a discussion of the primary sources: looking at the account in Vryonis' The decline of medieval Hellenism in Asia Minor: and the process of Islamization from the eleventh through the fifteenth century (another standard reference), primary sources for this battle include Niketas Choniates, & Michael the Syrian, & a letter by Manuel to the English king Henry II written shortly after the battle; except for a passing quotation from Anna Komnenos, the existence of these sources are completely ignored -- which hampers any reader who wants to go beyond the secondary sources. Lastly, although I wouldn't use this even as a reason to deny this article FA status, it would be very nice if Turkish sources were used in this article; I believe Turkish academics have written an article or more on this event, & may express some opinions or conclusions that would surprise even citizens of that country.

This concern also needs to be addressed. -- llywrch (talk) 20:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Fredrik ReinfeldtEdit

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This article has suffered significant POV damage since it was promoted to GA. Now that the subject no longer serves a very public role. It is a good time for a reassessment to bring this article to GA quality again or delist. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 13:57, 1 August 2019 (UTC)


The ShirellesEdit

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  • Lead is way too short. Just mentions the members, doesn't summarize key points of their career.
  • "Founding" header is entirely unsourced.
  • "Current versions of the group": " Addie "Micki" Harris died on June 10, 1982 of a heart attack." is unsourced.
  • "Albums" section of discography is not properly formatted and does not source chart positions.
  • None of the non-charting singles is sourced, either.

Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 00:20, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Comment. I can find all sorts of stuff confirming Micki's date of death, on 10 or 11 June (but which?), or at least year (1982); (google 'addie micki harris death'), but most of it looks like tertiary hearsay for WP purposes. The "best" source I've found is this, which is at least a book rather than a blog - though with only an ASIN and no ISBN, and so of questionable reliability. I've failed to google up anything which looks like a contemporary news report. There surely must be something in an Atlanta newspaper at least. Narky Blert (talk) 01:47, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment: the lead is too short and the "Founding" section is unsourced for the same reason: the "Founding" section used to be part of the lead until some unhelpful edits by the IP 1.42.39.16 moved it into a separate section in January 2018. Given that everything in the "Founding" section is sourced later on in the article text, as it should be, restoring this part to the lead would go a long way to solving these two issues. The AllMusic Biography by Steve Huey lists Micki Harris' date and cause of death. Richard3120 (talk) 17:05, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

B. J. PragerEdit

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The prose is choppy and basically a list of his accomplishments (which admittedly, are many). Each section is relatively short and only contains positive information. Many of the references are statistics, lists, or record books. None 1, 3, 4, and 6 of the criteria for a GA are not met in my opinion. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 04:38, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Comment Section 6 can't be covered as their is no images for it to go under. Therefore this automatically ticks that section. I do agree though, that their seems to be a lot of short sentences in consecutive sentences with the main problem being in the Background section. HawkAussie (talk) 01:20, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Faisal of Saudi ArabiaEdit

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The article should have a {{POV|date=August 2019}} tag added and be entirely rewritten in a neutral POV. The article reads like an extended resume from a fan, especially the "Early experience" section (which is not even a real section title for biographies). The sentence "In 1962 Prince Faisal helped found the Muslim World League, a worldwide charity to which the Saudi royal family has reportedly since donated more than a billion dollars," is exceptionally braggy.

Sentences similar to "King Faisal seemed to hold the pluralist view," should be entirely rewritten; they are both puffery and biased. The article is also written like a dramatic play, with struggles and winners and losers. There are countless run-on sentences.

This is not a good article. It is poorly written, with unclear and unconcise prose (1a). The article is full of peacock language, and should be entirely rewritten to address the facts (1b). As well, it is not neutral, as the article alternates between a praise piece or governmental propaganda (4).

tldr; This is frankly the worst article I have ever read that qualified as a GA. The status should be removed. Zkidwiki (talk) 01:27, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Comment: I was the reviewer who passed it as GA. I was also suspicious about the neutrality, but after looking closely I did not find anything problematic. e.g. "In 1962 Prince Faisal helped found the Muslim World League, a worldwide charity to which the Saudi royal family has reportedly since donated more than a billion dollars" is a factual statement supported by an RS. Are you suggesting that the fact that he founded an organization and his family donated to it should be hidden because it makes the subject sound good? Similarly to "King Faisal seemed to hold the pluralist view" I don't see how it is puffery or biased if it's supported by RS. I spot checked several similar statements in the article and they seem to hold up with references. I compared it with other biographies (such as Britannica) and I didn't find any major omission. If you were going to demonstrate neutrality problem with this article I suggest maybe show examples of (a) unsourced statements or those that misrepresent the source, or (b) omission of major facts or point of views (c) inappropriate language or wording. HaEr48 (talk) 14:30, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

You Ain't Goin' NowhereEdit

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  • For one, the article is completely missing any information on the song's composition. What do the lyrics consist of? What key is it in? What is the chord pattern?
  • The "Other covers" verison seems to be suffering from example creep, and other than maybe the solo Hillman/McGuinn and 4 + 2 versions, none of the covers seems to meet WP:COVERSONG.

Those are my main issues. Nominator left in 2014. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 02:31, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


Roger MillerEdit

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  • Large chunks of the article are unsourced.
  • "In popular culture" list violating WP:TRIVIA; also has a footnote in the header which is disallowed.
  • "Personal life and death" falling victim to example-creep, several randomly appended one-sentence paragraphs.

Overall the article seems considerably less complete than other country music GAs; compare Trisha Yearwood, Tracy Lawrence, even Lonestar or McBride & the Ride which are broader in scope.

Last major editor left in 2013, GA nominator left in 2014. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 02:38, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


Tom FeltonEdit

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This article was listed back in 2007, when Order of the Phoenix was brand new. 12 years later, it's had a ref tag for two & a half years and every piece of info added since 2007 in is its own paragraph, on top of an awards table that's completely unsourced. Clearly needs to be delisted. – zmbro (talk) 22:51, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Support: A lot of the sources are unreliable, plus refs 18 and 19 are not formatted properly. Also there is inconsistency in usage of websites on refs, awards and nominations has no references and many more issues. --Kyle Peake (talk) 09:45, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Amazon HQ2Edit

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When this article was given a GA review by Mgasparin back on 16 May 2019 and listed, the article's creator, SounderBruce, wrote have concerns with how fast and drive-by this review is, especially for a subject with quite a bit of political controversy surrounding it. Mgasparin stood by their review, but expressed willingness to consider a second opinion, at which point Trillfendi, who had nominated the article for GA earlier in May, added a GA nominee template asking for a second opinion, though the GA template was also left on the talk page. Unfortunately, the GA nominee template was badly malformed, so the nomination never appeared at WP:GAN.

What this article actually needs, since the review was not reopened at the time and the article has been listed as a GA for three and a half months, is a community reassessment. This allows everyone to comment on the article, including all three editors mentioned above, to assess whether it meets or fails to meet any of the GA criteria, and if it is lacking anywhere, for the article to be improved to the point that it meets the criteria, or to be delisted if sufficient improvement is not made.

I will notify the appropriate WikiProjects and finish cleaning up the article talk page. Best of luck to all concerned. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:20, 3 September 2019 (UTC)


Ridgedale CenterEdit

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The article is overall very short for a GA, and is missing an awful lot of key points found in other GA-class shopping mall articles. For instance:

  1. How did the developers choose the site and stores?
  2. What were major stores on opening day or throughout the mall's history? Did it have anything noteworthy, like the first or largest in the area of a certain store? What were major architectural features or other noteworthy facets?
  3. There is almost nothing on the mall's first decade of existence. No key points between 1974-86 are covered at all.
  4. How and when did the current owners acquire it? Did it have any other owners at any point?

Compare other GA-class mall articles such as Meridian Mall and Lansing Mall, or even Merle Hay Mall which was promoted in 2008 and still holds up reasonably well, and it's clear that this article falls woefully short. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 05:32, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

AmericanAir88 commentsEdit

  • I'll admit that the review for the mall was a bit rushed and did not address all that possibly could of. However, GA's should not be compared to each other. It is about the criteria. I'll do an assessment of the article for myself. @TenPoundHammer:, make sure to notify previous reviewers of this GAR. AmericanAir88(talk) 02:15, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Hawthorne, FloridaEdit

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This recently-passed GAN fails to fulfill criteria 3(a) (addressing the main aspects of the topic), as there are large gaps in content that were not mentioned in the review. The history section is top-heavy, with paragraphs given to a certain period (1880–1910), but a similar 30-year span (1980–2010) given a single sentence. Much of the information in the section is not backed up with enough detail or information, such as the "suffering during the Great Depression" (no hardships were mentioned) or the appreciation of the area's "rural lifestyle" (which reads straight out of a realtor's listing). The Geography section only has a single sentence for a neighboring border and another with the original, bot-generated area statistic; no mention is made of the area's topography, the town's layout and neighborhoods, or any nearby natural features. The Demographics section includes unnecessary table entries for Florida and U.S. statistics; the government section lacks information on the day-to-day administration of city affairs; and there is no Economy section, which is fundamental to a city entry. Having experience with writing town articles myself (for similar settlements in the sub-2,500 range), it's entirely possible to wring out enough information to fill these sections with more thorough research. SounderBruce 00:27, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the reassessment. Would you be able to help me get access to the sources that you mention? I have not been able to find additional information. The information in the article is what I could find; I didn't leave gaps on purpose. PopularOutcasttalk2me! 01:12, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
I would suggest looking into getting a TWL subscription to Newspapers.com or another source like NewsBank (usually available through a public library). They are extremely helpful in getting newspaper coverage that is the backbone of a lot of good research for casual city articles. SounderBruce 03:46, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
SounderBruce, hi! I was the reviewer who passed this article. I'm still relatively new to this, so I understand if you have concerns - I'm here to learn!
What are some examples of town articles for "similar settlements in the sub-2,500 range" that would be good to look at? I did note the sparsity of the Geography section in my review but I can understand why it would be difficult to fill out an article for such a small town. Any tips you have would be great.
As to recent (1980-2010) history, what kind of content would be appropriate for an article like this without falling prey to recentism? I'd like to be good at this - let me know how I can improve my future reviews. Thanks.
Ganesha811 (talk) 03:19, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
I just had Darrington, Washington pass at GA (and I am prepping it for FAC), so it might be good to look at it. It is fine to describe a bit of the surrounding area, especially since this town doesn't directly border another jurisdiction, and features like the nearby lakes are an easy ask for this kind of section. Just a quick browse through a major regional newspaper's archives for hits on Hawthorne is good enough to pick out events that might be notable enough to escape recentism, as they would be significant enough to be noticed. SounderBruce 03:46, 14 September 2019 (UTC)