Talk:Wii U

Change how many Wii U games have been sold.

I want to edit how many copies of Wii U games have sold. It turns out there were 103.54 copies sold as of December 31st, 2022 according to finance sales. 178.35.232.66 (talk) 17:55, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done Neither the request nor those number make any sense. You'll have to explain more. Sergecross73 msg me 18:30, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

The Wii U has a fatal software error that can brick it by not playing it.

To the Wikipedia staff and users. Recently I noticed articles concerning the infamous glitch which involves the memory error code 160-0103 Gamepad. Can we add a paragraph concerning the fatal software error? Also, while there is a way to use a computer hack to fix the memory error. I want readers on Wikipedia to be aware of this issue. I found this article on Gamerant which explains the issue. Gamer Claims Wii U Consoles Can Be Bricked By Not Playing Them Enough (gamerant.com) CrosswalkX (talk) 13:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Gamerant is really unreliable for this kind of rumor mongering. Check WP:VG/S and see if any definitely reliable sources have discussed or better, confirmed, the issue. Reddit posts are very weak. -- ferret (talk) 13:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Add the extra 1 million to the sales figure?

So basically all over the media including IGN there have been articles about a Wii U being sold last month and being added to sales figures. So should we mention it in the article? NakhlaMan (talk) 02:21, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

That one sale? No. Masem (t) 03:15, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Why not?

Exactly One Person Bought a Brand New Wii U Last Month for Some Reason | PCMag

In The Year 2023, One New Wii U Was Sold (kotaku.com.au)

Fun Sales Fact: One New Wii U Was Sold in September - IGN NakhlaMan (talk) 03:27, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Because its really trivial, its not really an official number, and there's other ways that people could buy new Wii U's outside of standard retail channels. Masem (t) 03:33, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Even if it attracts media attention? NakhlaMan (talk) 03:43, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Media attention doesn't inherently make things notable. Take Mario Galaxy's "UR MR GAY" or Mario's rump in the Mario movie, for example. Neither articles cover those things despite the attention, because they're ultimately meaningless. ThomasO1989 (talk) 16:37, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

We use rounded sales figures (13.56 million) and adding that one sold doesn't even come close to altering that rounding, so I don't really see a point in adding it either. Sorry. Sergecross73 msg me 15:01, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@NakhlaMan: Why did you say "the extra 1 million"? Anyway, the media attention you cited answers your question by saying first and foremost "Is any of this at all meaningful? No. Sales fun facts that do not matter." You can find clarity at the guidelines WP:TRIVIA, WP:DOGBITESMAN, or WP:NOTNEWS, which I've read countless times and expect to again. For context, this would be like reporting that one Wii U was sold with a scratch on it, or that one Wii U owner played a game. Or one of anything. If one Wii U levitated in the air and was possessed by demons, that didn't happen due to being a Wii U and wouldn't even go in this article. I hope that helps! Secondly, can someone please correct me if I'm mistaken in thinking that any third party retail statistics of video games sales whatsoever are a hoax? I don't even see Circana in WP:VGRS but I've always read that VGChartz is absolutely a hoax, because no retail chain reports any sales stats because that is a trade secret. So VGChartz just has a few inside contacts, who are presumably violating their NDAs, and VGChartz explosively extrapolates its big feelings about numbers as if that creates facts. That's how I understand it. — Smuckola(talk) 05:28, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

The problem with VGChartz is that 1) it was started and run by people without any professional credentials, and 2) that they would alter their estimates without notification or explanation. Reliable sources generally provide notes about when and why they make updates/revisions. It never helped that they would revise their own estimates, without explanation, rights after companies released official figures, which kind of gave off the vibe that they didn't really know what they were doing...

NPD/Circana, on the other hand, is an actual professional business, with actual professional analysts. They'd be fair game to use as a source...though it's often difficult to use the stuff they come up with. Instead of saying "Pikmin 4 sold 2.1 million units worldwide as of the end of September", they're more likely to say stuff like "Pikmin 4 sold 37% higher than Pikmin 2 in 2002 but was only the ninth highest selling game at retail in September" or whatever sort of vague accomplishments to that effect. Sergecross73 msg me 16:45, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Adding Homebrew or Modding section?

Should there be a section for the Modding community on the console, possibly comparing it to the 3DS modding community? Sizzlepop1 (talk) 16:38, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

If there are reliable sources for that, yes. Masem (t) 16:56, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

It all depends on if there are reliables sources discussing it, and if there's much to be said. Sergecross73 msg me 17:10, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

See WP:VG/S for a list of acceptable (and unacceptable) sources. Sergecross73 msg me 18:13, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Remove Nintendo Switch as Wii U successor.

Could you change the successor section at the start to not exist, just like it was before, because this information is inaccurate and the Wii U doesn’t have a successor, because:

The Nintendo Switch is a handheld and the successor to the Nintendo 3DS/ New Nintendo 3DS, look at the proof: It runs an evolved version of the Nintendo 3DS System Software, a HANDHELD! It uses a Nvidia Tegra X1/X1+ a MOBILE SoC that uses ARM, the same architeture used on the PlayStation Pocket, Game Boy Advance⁰, Nintendo DS⁰, Nintendo DSi¹, Nintendo 3DS⁰, PlayStation Vita, New Nintendo 3DS¹, all HANDHELDS!!!!!!!!² Uses LPDDR4, a MOBILE form of RAM.

⁰OG Console/¹Minor Upgrade (Unrelated): The Game Boy to Game Boy Color/vGame Boy Color (Coprocessor from Game Boy Advance), PlayStation 2 to Playstation 2 Slimline, Game Boy Advance to vGame Boy Advance (Coprocessor from Nintendo DS), Gamecube to Wii/vWii (GX GPU on Wii U), Nintendo DS to Nintendo DSi/vNintendo DSi (Coprocessor from Nintendo 3DS/New Nintendo 3DS), Nintendo 3DS to New Nintendo 3DS, Nintendo Switch HAC-001 to Nintendo Switch Lite/Nintendo Switch HAC-001 (01)/Nintendo Switch OLED and Xbox Series S to X are what i like to call same/mid-generation upgrades, because they increase core count and/or clock, but not an architectural upgrade. I wrote this because I couldn’t think if I should include these separately. 2804:14D:4284:800B:B9B3:80B6:33C7:29AC (talk) 18:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. To be a bit more specific, IP, whether or not the Switch is a successor to the Wii U, or to the 3DS (or both, or neither), isn't for any Wikipedian(s) to determine. Instead, it should come from how the console is discussed in reliable sources. As far as I can tell, when 'succession' is talked about with respect to the Wii U, that 'successor' is talked about as a hybrid console, and then identified as the Nintendo NX with the name later changed to the Nintendo Switch. See [1], [2], [3] for just a few examples. -- Pinchme123 (talk) 04:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Nintendo has said the Switch is the successor to the Wii U, starting its design as soon as they saw the Wii U was failing. While there are some principles of the 3DS to the Switch's design, it is not considered a predessor of the Switch, according to Nintendo. Masem (t) 04:23, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

You’re looking at it from a marketing perspective, not a technical perspective.

I think it’s better to look at it from a more technical perspective. 5:00 PM, 21 March 2024 (EDT)

Unfortunately, unless you've got reliable sources that commonly say that, that sounds like WP:OR, which isn't allowed. Sergecross73 msg me 5:02 AM, 21 March 2024 (EDT)

https://wololo.net/2017/03/09/hackers-know-nintendo-switch-far: This link says that the Nintendo Switch OS is based on 3DS and they gave this other link: https://twitter.com/qlutoo/status/838666432774692864 5:27 AM, 21 March 2024 (EDT)

Wololo is a hacking fansites. Fansites aren't going to be usable on Wikipedia. Nor are vague observations from random people on Twitter. WP:VG/S has a list of commonly designated usable/unusable sources if you'd like some help on that. Sergecross73 msg me 5:35 PM, 21 March 2024 (EDT)

But Wikipedia used that same link in this Wikipedia page. 5:56 PM, 21 March 2024 (EDT)

See WP:OSE. It's still an unusable source and only shows that Nintendo Switch system software has its own problems with unreliable sources. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 22:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Okay, that just means it should be removed there, not that it should be added here. Sergecross73 msg me 22:50, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, there is word from Tropic Haze (Developers of Citra and Yuzu) about this:

https://yuzu-emu.org/entry/yuzu-progress-report-2018-p1-1/ 2804:14D:4284:800B:C94C:AFCB:7989:BB02 (talk) 23:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

That link is broken. First, it's not up to us to read through a link you provide and determine the point you're making. Second, the word of emulator devs doesn't determine what makes a Wii U successor. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 23:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure you're understanding the sourcing standards... Sergecross73 msg me 00:03, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

The IP cannot reply as I've blocked them for continuously refactoring this discussion and removing signatures and timestamps. -- ferret (talk) 00:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, is there any technical proof that the Wii U is technically the successor to the Nintendo Switch, in software or in hardware? 191.13.65.37 (talk) 10:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia goes by what reliable sources say. Reliable sources say it's a successor. So we list it as a successor. This isn't some tech forum where we disassemble hardware and compare notes or something. There's other areas of the internet for that sort of stuff. Sergecross73 msg me 11:59, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

What reliable sources? 191.13.65.37 (talk) 13:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

It's pretty easy to find them, but hey, here's the LA Times to start: [4]. -- ferret (talk) 13:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

The first response in the discussion literally listed off three... Sergecross73 msg me 13:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Prove it from a technical standpoint. (CPU, RAM, Etc.) 2804:14D:4284:800B:395D:F3EC:A130:AF69 (talk) 17:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

We don't prove things from a technical standpoint. We report the conclusions of reliable sources. -- ferret (talk) 17:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Please re-read what's been repeatedly been said about how we go by sources on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 17:39, 13 April 2024 (UTC)