Talk:George Floyd protests
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A8: Because most reliable sources call them protests, not riots. Q9: Did he not die of a drug overdose?
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Protest needs to be changed to riots
editthe definition of a riot is as follows: A violent public disorder; 2600:1016:B002:5ACE:E19D:ED4F:6DFB:D915 (talk) 16:46, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- Not all of them were. Slatersteven (talk) 16:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- the majority of them were riots: this is history. Even when seen from Europe 86.6.148.125 (talk) 11:16, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is based on citations of reliable sources. Reliable sources refer to these actions as protests, not riots. Therefore, the Wikipedia likewise refers to these actions as protests and not riots. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 17:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
- This is empty talking. Quote the sources. No journal from the left can be used for this. Only records. I will add a NPOV for this article. 86.6.148.125 (talk) 11:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- CNN, The Guardian, and Vox are both not a reliable source of information buddy. NH51907646 (talk) 21:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- CNN, The Guardian, and Vox are in fact reliable sources. If you do not recognize this, you are likely to be frustrated by trying to edit contentious topics like this. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Muboshgu, @NH51907646
- Here are CNN, The Guardian, and other reliable sources according to Wikipedia referring to them as riots/mayhem:
- CNN calling them riots:
- CNN - What we do and don’t know about the extremists taking part in riots across the US
- CNN - Police point finger at gangs and local groups for riot damages, contradicting Trump’s claims
- The Guardian calling them riots:
- The Guardian - George Floyd protests: police declare a riot outside precinct in Portland
- The Guardian - George Floyd protests: the US cities that became hotspots of unrest
- The Telegraph calling them riots:
- The Telegraph - US riots set to scar economy for years to come
- CBS News calling them riots:
- CBS News - Pews Burned At Basilica Of St. Mary Amid Last Week's Riots
- The New York Times referring to "mayhem for three nights":
- The New York Times - ‘They Have Lost Control’: Why Minneapolis Burned ChillyKnight (talk) 10:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Are you arguing to change it from protests to rio=ts? Slatersteven (talk) 10:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Slatersteven I wasn't making any argument here. Simply providing sources that may be helpful in demonstrating that there were, in fact, riots, and that the specific reliable sources, including CNN and The Guardian, that @Muboshgu mentioned did, in fact, refer to them as such. ChillyKnight (talk) 12:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are indeed discussions of protests and of riots. But preponderance of coverage, at least as we've assessed, are that the vast majority were peaceful protests. I believe this article makes that clear. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- The riots and overall violence were nevertheless part-defining for the event. It left its mark on the world and people want that to be recognized. If we are gonna keep the George Floyd protests and riots under the same banner (article) then the name "George Floyd riots" and the riots' association with the event should be highlighted. Blockhaj (talk) 12:09, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are indeed discussions of protests and of riots. But preponderance of coverage, at least as we've assessed, are that the vast majority were peaceful protests. I believe this article makes that clear. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Slatersteven I wasn't making any argument here. Simply providing sources that may be helpful in demonstrating that there were, in fact, riots, and that the specific reliable sources, including CNN and The Guardian, that @Muboshgu mentioned did, in fact, refer to them as such. ChillyKnight (talk) 12:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Are you arguing to change it from protests to rio=ts? Slatersteven (talk) 10:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- CNN, The Guardian, and Vox are in fact reliable sources. If you do not recognize this, you are likely to be frustrated by trying to edit contentious topics like this. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Do we need a FAQ on this? 16:34, 5 March 2024 (UTC) Yes, it seems we need a FAQ. Slatersteven (talk) 17:26, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- We have a FAQ, but we need to add this frequently asked question to it. Go for it, Slatersteven. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, that is what I meant. Slatersteven (talk) 17:34, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
The dispute continues. Needs resolution. Kire1975 (talk) 09:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- It has been multiple times, say Page Protection may be needed. Slatersteven (talk) 09:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Change Protests to Demonstrations
editYes the George Floyd Demonstrations where largely peaceful, however they also included the largest amount of damage for any riot and over 30 dead, so I feel like a more nuteral term like demonstrations would be appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:5CC:102:2FC0:E042:8310:1E31:4E6E (talk) 22:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- As far as I know there is nothing about the word "demonstration" that implies violence. Thus this seems to be a name change for no reason other than having one. Slatersteven (talk) 11:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
The number of violent riots needs to be added.
editThere is a biased emphasis in this article made several times on how 93% of all protests over the career criminal floyd were peaceful. The number 7,750 is given as the total number. If 93% were “mostly peaceful,” that means 543 were violent. 543 violent riots across the US is not insignificant and gives context as to why these riots were unpopular with most Americans. Bourbonberserkerbear (talk) 13:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- So? I am sure our readers are bright enough to work that out. This is just adding words. Slatersteven (talk) 13:48, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- number 8 on the FAQ Babysharkboss2 was here!! King Crimson 14:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- After he was paroled in 2013, he served as a mentor in his religious community and posted anti-violence videos to social media. In 2014, he moved to the Minneapolis area and worked as a truck driver and bouncer. In 2020, he lost his jobs during the COVID-19 pandemic and very shortly thereafter was murdered. Referring to this murder victim who was turning his life around as a
career criminal
is just plain wrong. Happy Good Friday. O3000, Ret. (talk) 15:37, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Clarifying Garrett Foster's Involvement
editGarrett Foster was not actually a part of the Bugaloo Boys, and never had any official or unofficial affiliation with the group. He was legally carrying a long gun in the State of Texas, that was pointed towards the ground at all times. Moments before his death, he engaged in deescalation tactics and was then murdered by Daniel Perry. Garrett Foster was never a part of extremist groups whatsoever. 2603:8080:1001:E372:75D1:17AB:4BEA:85DF (talk) 11:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Source? Slatersteven (talk) 11:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I noticed that a couple of sources claim he was, one referenced in the article (which is, still, very few in comparison to the amount of news articles about this, most of which seem to not mention it... not like they would state a negative, either)... and Murder of Garrett Foster doesn't mention, either. So, I guess, it depends on where those couple of sources got their information from, as usually such details are more widely reported... 92.21.86.180 (talk) 11:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2024
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+ ! Year !! Unarmed Black People Shot !! Unarmed White People Shot !! % of Police Encounters (Black) !! % of Police Encounters (White) !! % of Population (Black) !! % of Population (White) !! Relative Risk (Black vs White) Code.Combustion (talk) 21:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
