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Bingo Stadium edit

Hi, I'm looking for sources to improve Bingo Stadium. If anyone could suggest anything, I'd be grateful. JMWt (talk) 17:38, 15 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sometimes the corresponding article on Japanese Wikipedia has sources that can be used but in this case there's only a primary source being cited. That source, though, does have to do with the naming rights of the stadium, and it is from January 2022. I doubt there's going to be much if anything about this stadium written in English in secondary reliable sources written (e.g. The Japan Times), and whatever there is might just be mentions related to events held at the stadium and not about the stadium itself per se. There might be stuff in Japanese in local or regional papers, and probably the best way to find that is to Google the stadium's Japanese name. Absent finding one or two pretty good reliable sources per WP:NBUILDING, this article might be a good candidate for a WP:REDIRECT. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Korean or Japanese nationality edit

I'm working on several articles on celebrities in Japan, and I'm running into issues with determining the nationalities of several of them, particularly the ones of Korean descent. This article from Toyo Keizai talks about several "Koreans living in Japan", but should they be listed as Korean or Japanese (i.e. Hanae Kan)? lullabying (talk) 01:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

If there are no reliable sources to confirm a particular nationality, nationality shouldn't be listed at all. The Japanese Wikipedia says that Hanae Kan's nationality is South Korean, but gives no direct citation. However, the Tōyō Keizai article says 在日韓国人女性, and in this formulation kankokujin is commonly a reference to nationality. This article says that she is a citizen of South Korea. Dekimasuよ! 02:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Accenture at Japanese Wikipedia edit

On behalf of Accenture, and as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I have submitted a series of edit requests to bring the company's entry at Japanese Wikipedia up to date here. I've struggled to get feedback on a few of the suggestions, if any editors here are interested in taking a look.

Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 16:23, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Inkian Jason Got it. Will do the edit in the next few hours. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 05:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
@AlphaBetaGamma Thanks for taking a look! There are a few requests at the bottom of the Talk page that have not received editor feedback, if you're able to help. Inkian Jason (talk) 15:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Questions edit

Hello, and while I am trying to think of a way to translate the JP article 仮乗降場, I am stuck on what should be the EN name. I'm sticking with "Temporary Station" right now, but then it would duplicate with 臨時駅. If a person better at Japanese (Due to my background, I am horrible at Japanese.) can suggest a better translation I appreciate it. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 05:08, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

@AlphaBetaGamma: I'm not sure a topic on that particular subject matter would be something considered WP:NOTABLE enough to justify a stand-alone English Wikipedia article be written about it. Even the Japanese Wikipedia article ja:仮乗降場 seems mostly unsourced content: one Asahi Shimbun source is cited seven times and there's only one possibly reliable sourced (a book) cited; the rest of the "references" are actually what Wikipedia refers to as WP:SRF#Explanatory notes formatted as citations. Just because an article exists on another language Wikipedia doesn't necessarily mean it should exist on English Wikipedia; it's quite possible it shouldn't exist on the other language Wikipedia. Since English Wikipedia has the most articles and the largest user community out of all of the other language Wikipedias, its policies and guidelines (particulary those related to Wikipedia notability) tend to be applied more rigorously than similar policies and guideline of other language Wikipedias may perhaps be being applied. So, before you go about translating this or any other Japanese Wikipedia articles into English, you might want to take a look at WP:OTHERLANGS because there's no point in doing so if you're unable to clearly establish the subject matter meets one of Wikipedia's notablity guidelines. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
More specifically, it turns out this was a particular term used in the days of JNR (the nationalised railways) to refer to an administrative category, which in (English) English might be called "Temporary halt"; one level below "Station". 臨時駅 really sounds like a station built for a specific special purpose, such as a stadium used for a major event over a short time. The 仮 in 仮乗降場 is more like "well we have this thing for the time being, one day we might build a proper station". So I certainly do not think this deserves a separate article, though it might be mentioned if there is a list categorising types of station in Japan. Imaginatorium (talk) 07:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Help with sources edit

Hi I’d appreciate some help from a native/fluent reader of Japanese. A number of new articles have been created recently that have appeared in the queue for New Pages Patrol, including Katō Yasutoki, Yamazaki clan, Takagi Masahira and Matsudaira Yorisato (there are many others). All of these articles are sourced to the same half dozen offline sources, for which no page numbers are provided. I’d like some assurance that these sources exist and actually cover the topics described, as I fear they may perhaps just be there for decorative purposes to validate an otherwise unsourced or poorly sourced translation from ja.wiki. Many thanks Mccapra (talk) 22:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi Mccapra, thanks for this notification. I checked Katō Yasutoki, and it is either an unmarked direct translation or a total machine translation of the Japanese article (which far predates this one). WP:TNT may apply because there is no clean version that isn't a copyvio and there is no original contribution. As for the books that are listed, they exist. I don't have quick access to their contents, but given that the Japanese-language article does not cite them, I have no reason to believe that they corroborate the places in the article where they are being applied. Dekimasuよ! 04:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
The second source cited is about Toyotomi Hideyoshi and there is no reason why a minor aristocrat from the 19th century would be discussed in a book on 16th-century Japan. This appears to be an attempt to mask the direct and/or machine translation as a cited article creation. Dekimasuよ! 04:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Mccapra, Takagi Masahira has the same problems (incorrect sourcing, pure machine/direct translation), but in telling ways. When names have articles on the Japanese Wikipedia, they appear to be transcribed to English correctly. But the Japanese-language article on Takagi Masahira has a redlink to "松平維賢" at the beginning of the biography section. The new English-language article gives the reading of the first name as "Yasuyosho" but it is actually "Korekata" and it is extremely unlikely that any Japanese speaker would guess "Yasuyosho". The correct detail could also have been determined if the "translator" actually looked for other outside sources with the information, such as this. I am quite busy for the rest of the day, but this should be taken to WP:ANI—a preventive and/or disruption block and copyvio deletions are in order. If you take this to ANI, please feel free to reference this section, and if further input from a Japanese speaker becomes necessary I can try to reply there later on. Best, Dekimasuよ! 04:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Dekimasu: thank you I’ll try and put together an ANI case tomorrow. Mccapra (talk) 21:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi Mccapra, I did follow up on this at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wildlover22 and I'll be blocking Exam26 for the reasons noted there. That should make it possible to delete the problematic articles under WP:CSD#G5. However, if there turns out to be any meaningful objection to the block, please do take this to ANI. Best, Dekimasuよ! 22:16, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Dekimasu: oh great thank you. Mccapra (talk) 06:04, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Actually I’ve moved all their creations to draft. The topics are all certainly or plausibly notable but just lack sources. If another editor wants to tidy the translations, verify the use of Japanese text (I discovered Exam26 does not read Japanese) and provide decent sources, there’s no reason why those articles should not be in mainspace. Mccapra (talk) 07:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Cool, I might salvage those if I have my sanity, so I'm putting that to my user page when I'm free. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 09:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Requested move at Talk:Amagasaki derailment#Requested move 28 April 2024 edit

 

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Amagasaki derailment#Requested move 28 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 22:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Request for comment: Naming of Sotetsu line stations edit

Sōtetsu Shin-yokohama Line and Hazawa yokohama-kokudai Station both have capitalization that looks extremely odd to the English reader, but (in the case of the station) is reflected in official signage. However, "Yokohama" is a proper name and per MOS:HYPHENCAPS we should use capitals for it in both cases. If you have thoughts on this topic, please comment at Talk:Sōtetsu Shin-yokohama Line. Jpatokal (talk) 06:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

In a shocking turn of events, even though I redirected Sōtetsu Shin-Yokohama Line, Hazawa Yokohama-Kokudai Station seems to redirect to Hazawa yokohama-kokudai Station. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 01:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Finished ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 09:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Requesting reassessment edit

Could someone reassess Taketoyo Line? I've tried my best to expand it to its potential but aren't sure if something is messed up or not. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 09:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply