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Creating new page

How much time need to create a new page in Wikipedia after creating a account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Comrade Dipto (talk • contribs) 17:14, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello Comrade Dipto and welcome to the Teahouse. To create a page directly in the mainspace, you must have had an account for 4 days and made at least 10 edits. However, anyone can submit a draft for review using the article wizard and an experienced editor will determine if it's suitable for Wikipedia and either accept or decline it. Before attempting to create a draft, though, you are very strongly encouraged to read this page. It contains a large amount of useful advice for editors who are new to creating articles; in particular, all articles must meet our notability guidelines, be adequately sourced, written from a neutral point of view, and most importantly, be free of copyright violations. I hope this helps answer your question and if you have any more questions don't hesitate to post again at the Teahouse or let me know directly. Cheers, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 20:30, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Hello Comrade Dipto and welcome to the Teahouse.
Technically, after your account is 4 days old and has accumulated 10 edits, it is marked as auto-confirmed. With auto-confirmed status you can create new mainspace pages.
In actuality, however, very few new users are able to create a new page that meets Wikipedia's standards after editing for that short a time. We generally advise new users to spend a considerable about of time improving existing articles before attempting the rather daunting task of creating a new article. It may seem counter-intuitive, but time spent "learning the ropes" in this way may lead to an earlier completion time for your first article than if you simply plowed all of your efforts into creating a first article. I think the main reason for this is that your initial edits will make many mistakes and these can be addressed one at a time when fixing existing articles. Often a draft from a new user will have many diverse problems and the review comments that decline the draft will only be able to address one or two of them. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 20:39, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Bot and Copyright

I added a photo of a TU-54B sourced from another wikipedia page, which is likely fair use. I used the same photo (in another file) for a page but the bot sent me a message saying I didn’t have the proper copyright. The file is named File:TU-104B(Accident1971).jpeg
Erfson (talk) 14:02, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Erfson. I'm not clear why you uploaded the photo again, if it was already used on another Wikipedia page. Or are you saying you found it on a site linked from a Wikipedia page? Which?
Either way, you cannot upload a file without giving acceptable copyright information. If it is not freely licensed (most images on the Internet are not freely licensed) then the only way you can use it in Wikipedia is by uploading it to Wikipedia itself, as you have done; but you must then give the rationale, by explaining how the use meets every one of the non-free content criteria. If it does not meet these, then it may not be uploaded. And (as you've found out), it will be deleted unless you do show that it meets them. --ColinFine (talk) 16:37, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
The file you uploaded appears to be a reduced copy of File:Aeroflot Tupolev Tu-104B at Arlanda, July 1972.jpg which is in fact freely licenced for use, and can be used in any article. You can just use the original photo, and not your smaller duplicate.Nigel Ish (talk) 21:24, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

How to check if this content is eligible on a specific page?

Thank you for inviting me to THE TEAHOUSE. My question is related to checking the quality/eligibility of content on different pages. For example check this section of Ex-PM of Pakistan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yousaf_Raza_Gillani#VIP_Culture. This section doesn't feel to me to be of Wikipedia standards of prominent people or is it fine? What is the best way to judge whether to remove/edit something? AmIFord (talk) 19:05, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, AmIFord. I have removed that section as a violation of our policy on biographies of living people, since it is negative information about his son, not him. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:56, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, Cullen328. I'll now read these guides to have better understanding. AmIFord (talk) 22:09, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Citations and Footnotes Assistance

I am trying to help a friend that is a writer get his books on wikipedia. He tried doing it himself and it was rejected. I am now trying to make a wikipedia page for this author and my attempt was also rejected. This is the denial message and the draft links below:

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Porter_Lafayette

Please help and advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BRNVeditingservices (talk • contribs) 19:59, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

The most obvious problem is that Draft:Porter Lafayette cites no references, though it lists some. You will need to read Help:Referencing for beginners. Maproom (talk) 20:30, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Anything written about Porter has to be supported by references to articles written ABOUT Porter. None of those references appear to be about Porter. And references need to be interwoven into the text they support. David notMD (talk) 21:34, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Hello, BRNVeditingservices. I'm afraid that, like many people, your friend has fundamentally misunderstood the purposes of Wikipedia. "Get[ting] his books on Wikipedia" is called promotion, and is forbidden. If there is enough material published about him by people completely unconnected with him, or you then it is possible there could be an article about him: he (and you) are discouraged from writing such an example, but not forbidden - but either of you should heed the advice on editing with a conflict of interest. If such an article is written, it should be based almost entirely on those independent sources - Wikipedia has little interest in what somebody says about themselves, or what their associates say about them; and even less interest in what they want said about them. It will not be his article, and he will have no control over the content. --ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Notable on search

I have a valid article her that is a biography. (Not self promotion) I am no longer a broadcaster. But I am not showing up in the search. even though I see other Ex-Broadcasters listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Real Steele (talk • contribs) 22:33, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi The Real Steele welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you appear to have misunderstood how Wikipedia works. It is an encylopaedia of notable topics (and we determine Notability by whether multiple independent reliable sources have talked about that topic in depth and in detail.) What we don't do is take advantage of our own userpage to create articles about ourselves. It's OK to say who you are, and a line or two about your interests and aspirations in editing Wikipedia. Userpages that look like promotional articles usually get spotted and put forward for what we call 'speedy deletion' (the clue is in the name, but we try to be a bit more lenient here, so I'd invite you to quickly edit that page and remove the content that makes it look like a LinkedIn or blog profile before someone does it for you. If you are a notable subject, we would expect non-involved editors to be writing about you, and you should not do it yourself. If you need any further help, do ask. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:56, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I should add that userpages don't get indexed by search engines, and new articles don't either until that have passed a review process in which experienced editors assess the appropriateness of articles and decide if any action is needed before Google et al is alllowed to index them.Hope this helps. Oh, and you might like to read this article about writing about yourself. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:01, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

I made some userboxes!

Hello world! I made a few userboxes a while ago, and since no one seems to check out the new userboxes topic very often I thought I would post them here so that you can look at them. Here they are:

Code Result
{{User:CrazyMinecart88/User not get}}
?This user just doesn't get it.
 Usage
{{User:CrazyMinecart88/Not know userbox}}
 This user does not get the above userbox, but put it on their userpage anyway because they like it.
 Usage


Please tell me what you think!
Thanks, CrazyMinecart88 21:11, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi CrazyMinecart88. You might be able to get some more specific feedback from the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Userboxes. Try asking on its talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:35, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
@Marchjuly:
Okay! I'll make sure to do that!

Thanks, CrazyMinecart88 00:55, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Donations

Hi wiki i was wondering about the announcement on your site about needing help and asking for donations. is Wikipedia really asking for donations or is it a scam or add trying to get peoples information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.69.4.12 (talk) 00:50, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi anonymous. Welcome. No - it's no scam. Nor do we seek people's information - anyone can edit anonymously, as you demonstrate. Donations are made to the Wikimedia Foundation, and definitely not to individual editors or administrators here (I wish, LOL!). Those donations pay for the servers, the IT expertise, the legal and technical teams, the educational projects that reach out around the world into places where a free encyclopaedia can be invaluable. Running the 5th most popular website in the world takes a lot of cash (and you'll note there are no adverts here). Some people don't feel they can or want to contribute by adding content, but there are many users who value their own language wikipedia, and like to donate in some other way. If you would like to do that, please visit this link. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:01, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Article was deleted for copyright infringement even though all citations were accurately referenced

I submitted my first article and referenced an individual and organization with whom I am working collaboratively, we have a similar definition of "Message Music," and yet have some different approaches. I mentioned the individual Denny Jenkins and his organization Spirit2Spirit in my article and provided direct quotes from him (but referenced them from a radio show and the date). Since my article was deleted for copyright infringement, I removed all references to his work involving direct quotes and merely mentioned his work in my own words. Will this be enough to have my article reconsidered for submission? drwellnessDrwellness1 (talk) 06:11, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Drwellness1. Draft:Message Music was deleted by Anthony Appleyard per WP:G12. Basically, this happens whenever large chunks of content have been simply copied-and-pasted from some external source, like a website, onto a Wikipedia page. This kind of thing is pretty much never going to be allowed because it's consider to be both a copyright violation and plagiarism. I'm not an administrator so I cannot exactly see the content in question, but perhaps you can ask Anthony about it on his user talk page. For general reference, article content is supposed to be written in your own words; you read what's written about the subject in reliable sources, summarize that information in your own words, and then add a citation to the source in support. Sometime short quotes of coyrighted content is allowed when properly attributed per MOS:QUOTE, but one big long block of quoted text (even if you provide a citation in support) is almost never going to be seen as OK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:21, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Article with featured photo

I was creating a page for Elizabeth L. Gardner, and I tried to put her most famous photo in the userbox, but when I put it there, there was just text telling me that it was a featured photo, although the photo is listed under creative commons by the archives. Erfson (talk) 04:49, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Erfson. First of all, I re-added your question because it contains information that others might find helpful. The problem was that you were adding the file to the infobox using curly brackets ({{ }}); this syntax is generally used for transcluding content onto a page like a template, etc. instead of adding it directly to the page. I've fixed that for you.
You might, however, want to consider asking for the article to userfied or draftified because it doesn't seem (at least in my opinion) to be quite ready for the article namespace and still needs some work to bring it up to article-standards. Perhaps someone as Wikipedia talk:Military history could help you do that? -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:07, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Marchjuly is completely correct. That is not yet an encyclopedia article. I've moved it to Draft:Elizabeth L. Gardner. Please read WP:My first article. I'd strongly suggest you submit the draft through WP: Articles for Creation for review when you think it is ready. And by all means please come back here if you have any questions. John from Idegon (talk) 06:45, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Authors of a journal

Hello, I want to cite a journal that has 24 authors. Is it mandatory to list all of the authors on the ref format? Or is it allowed to list just some of them and then put the word "et al" at the end? Thanks! AdaCiccone (talk) 04:51, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello AdaCiccone and welcome to the Teahouse.
Please see the documentation for {{cite journal}}, particularly, look for the string "display-authors=etal" to see the various ways you can handle large author lists. We do not require you to list all authors. But the software will flag errors if you try to list "et al" as an author or attach it to an author – please use one of the methods provided by the template instead. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 09:19, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

How do add picture?

Hello my question is how I can add picture to article? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Refquest (talk • contribs)

Hi, Refquest, welcome to the Teahouse. You didn't say which article you wanted to add an image to, or where that image comes from (for example, you can't just take images off the web and upload them, as the copyright will belong to someone other than yourself). May I suggest you read the helpful information in this page to get you started: Wikipedia:Uploading images. Come back if you need more specific answers, and help us to help you by indicating precisely what you want to do, giving links wherever possible. Note that there are 51 million freely available images on Wikimedia Commons which you can search for and easily add to an article. We can help you with that, if that's the advice you're after. Just let us know. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:10, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Hello I hope you are well. I wish to add photographies to an article that I am interested. Perhaps one might explain how to accomplish to me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Refquest (talk • contribs) 03:51, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
I would appreciate to have directions soon, since I am under deadline thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Refquest (talk • contribs) 03:56, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Firstly, there is no deadline. Secondly, please read the reply from Nick Moyes. --David Biddulph (talk) 04:04, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes David I see that there is a link and I looked to hope it would help me to add photographies... instead it was very long and I do not have all night to read everything. I just need helps to accomplish picture adding. A simple and friendly asking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Refquest (talk • contribs) 04:30, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi Refquest. It's hard to be any more specific than what Nick Moyes posted above without knowing more about the picture you want to add and where (i.e., which article or page) you want to use it. Only files only uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons can be added to Wikipedia pages, and which types of pages they can be added to pretty much depends upon how they're licensed. So, if the picture you want to add have already been uploaded, then please add a link to its page and link to the Wikipedia page where you want to use it to this thread; if the picture you want to add has not yet been uploaded, you will need to upload it per WP:UPLOAD of c:COM:UPLOAD first. So, in the latter case, please provide a link to where it can be seen online and then a link to the Wikipedia page where you want to use it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:56, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
I wish to add this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gaysex_11.jpg to article anal sex. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Refquest (talk • contribs) 05:10, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED, but at the same time you need to be aware of Wikipedia:Image use policy#Adding images to articles. Please note the part of which says editors should take care not to use such images simply to bring attention to an article. So, my suggestion to you is that if you really think this would be an improvement to the article and are not just goofing around, then be cautious and propose adding the file on the article's talk page to see what others think. As David posted above, there's no deadlines really when it comes to Wikipedia, and it will just be a waste of everyone's time (including yours) if you add a file that's only going to be immediately removed by another editor. Establishing a consensus for inclusion is the best way to go here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:03, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

From looking at the archived Talk pages for Anal sex there have been repeated, heated discussions on whether to use photographs of real people or use artwork (images of drawings, paintings, sculpture). The latter option is where the article is right now, and apparently, stays. In the past, photographs of real people have been added and quickly deleted. Thus, as suggested by Marchjuly, the best approach is to first start a new discussion at Talk. But expect the consensus to be "No photographs." Same applies to the article Sexual intercourse, so it's not a decision to specifically limit the anal sex article to "No photographs." David notMD (talk) 10:48, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

On a separate note, please sign your Talk comments by typing four of ~ at the end. If you don't an automated program gets around to doing it for you, but there is a significant lag time during which other editors will not know if a new person has joined a discussion or if it's you. David notMD (talk) 11:03, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Inserting table from Wikipedia Commons

The table on WM Commons "Consent required for action related to a picture of a person in a public place (by country)" would be very helpful to insert into Photography and the law I want to improve . However, copying the markup and inserting it does not bring up the table - does anyone know how to do this? I'm stumped! Thank you Jamesmcardle(talk) 07:54, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

The best way for that table's content to be used here is by manually copying each entry and creating the table markup here on enwiki. Basically, that means you've to recreate it in whole. The Commons table defends on various subpages and conventions not used here on enwiki. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Image insert / uploading sourced content

Hi there thanks for the invite I'm new to wiki and would love to upload some articles to prove sourced changes how do I do this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Echojoe1944 (talk • contribs) 17:03, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Echojoe1944. I'm not sure what you meant by upload some articles, but perhaps you meant "upload some images". Images can be sometimes uploaded and used in articles per Wikipedia:Image use policy, but they are not really used as citations for verifying article content; instead, links to reliable sources are added as explained in Help:Referencing for beginners. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:32, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Dear Sir thank you for response really appreciate it what I meant was I have artcles about artist like bros going back 1988 and were official published articles which may not on the internet how I can verify them — Preceding unsigned comment added by Echojoe1944 (talk • contribs) 12:32, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Madonna Like Prayer

Hi guys ive just be targeted by another member not from the UK how Madonna sold 792,000 copies of this album making 2 x platinum by the BPI and not gold so I changed it and now I'm being accused of vandalism can some assist . BPI PLATINUM RELEFLECTS OVER 300.000 SALES — Preceding unsigned comment added by Echojoe1944 (talk • contribs) 12:02, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

There is a difference between sales and certifications - maybe "Like a Prayer" has sold as many copies as you say (but you need to provide a reliable independent source to confirm that), but the fact is that it has only been certified gold by the BPI, which can be confirmed on their website: https://www.bpi.co.uk/award/3860-2003-1. Richard3120 (talk) 13:00, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Codes to fill the background of your user page with vibrant colors

Can you please tell me something about the codes of various colors and how to apply them on my user page to get a background of different color as well as a font of different color. Only this i am finding problem in except finding a cartoonish cup of tea rather than a real one.HardSunBadMoon (talk) 13:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

HardSunBadMoon, I can't help you with the colors. But I see that you have admitted here to using multiple accounts. You need to list those accounts on your user page. Maproom (talk) 13:34, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@Maproom: Actually with those multiple accounts i was referring to multiple IP addresses i used all those days. I didn't have a Gmail account during that time so i edited anonymously.HardSunBadMoon (talk) 16:52, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Redirect and improve German Wiki article(s)

Hello,

Is it possible to redirect an article that is on a different Wiki, e.g. the German Wiki? If so, would it also be translated?

I can open the article below in a Google browser, and Google will translate it. However, either the translation is imperfect, or the text doesn't lend itself to translation.

I would like to create an English version of this article. I would also like to make edits to the English version to make it more readble. I would not translate it per se, but begin with a translated version, e.g. using Google Translate.

Example:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handstickmaschine

There are several related articles that I would like to make available in English.

Thank you, Chris — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riedener (talk • contribs) 18:38, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for trying to improve the English Wikipedia. You don't want to do a cross language redirect, but you can certainly add translated info that is missing. You just want to make sure the information doesn't already exist on the English Wikipedia. For example, you could check the article about Embroidery, and maybe merge the important info. If a merge of selected information is insufficient, you can create a new article via Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Good luck! TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:23, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Advice on translation is available at WP:Translation. - David Biddulph (talk) 19:29, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

how to write a good essay

How do I do a good essay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.123.85.78 (talk) 16:29, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

i want to be seached on google and got — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nihad naderm (talk • contribs) 16:54, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Here's a great place to start. Help:Getting started TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:34, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

lost my draft

Hi i wrote my first draft. For approx a week it was open and the only notification i received was an invite to join Teahouse. Now i logged in again and i couldn't find my draft. As well as i didn't receive any notification etc.

can someone help me find my draft? (:

Tnx — Preceding unsigned comment added by EliahuD (talk • contribs) 20:15, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@EliahuD: Is this it: Draft:Tongue_training ? RudolfRed (talk) 20:17, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

YES!!! thanks(:. where can i find it by my own? BTW. How much longer should it take to confirm this draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EliahuD (talk • contribs) 20:34, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@EliahuD: At the top of the page, click the "Contributions" link and it will show you all of the pages you have edited. It can take quite some time for a review, sometimes many weeks. There are currently 1300 drafts waiting to be reviewed, so you need patience. RudolfRed (talk) 20:47, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Tnx a lot. have a great weekend... — Preceding unsigned comment added by EliahuD (talk • contribs) 20:50, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Editing

Hi, Despite my account being over a year old, I’m still not well acquainted with editing. Is there a page that will give me basics to help me gain an understanding of what works? Thanks, Mr. 478C2 (talk) 05:56, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mr. 478C2. If you haven't already done so, take the Wikipedia:Adventure. You can also check Wikipedia:FAQ/Editing for information as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:06, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Mr. 478C2. I recommend that you try The Wikipedia Adventure, which is an interactive learning game that will teach you the basics of editing. Also take a look at Wikipedia:Community portal, which includes links to countless lists of tasks that new editors can help with. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:08, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
There's also Help:Editing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:55, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks a lot everyone! I hope to work towards being a contributing member of Wikipedia - Mr. 478C2 (talk) 22:22, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Ethnicity & Religion

Hi, I'm pretty new to the back end here and have been surprised by the many references to the ethnicity and/or religion of living persons. I was especially surprised to see that there is even a category called "American Jew". Maybe it's my Canadian showing, mon amis, but, where I live, most people are Catholic, and no one discusses religion, or is even allowed to ask... like when someone applies for a job or loan or something... but, then it might just be published on Wikipedia anyway. It seems more odd attached to the living than the dead, too, but that's just my opinion. Sorry! Since its quite pervasive on WP, I suppose that I'd just like to get a little perspective on why religion and race are included on pages and even as categories.RFT42 (talk) 01:46, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Good question. There are guidelines for biographies of living persons, but I don't see anything in that article that applies, so I recommend you start a discussion on that article's talk page. This has to have come up before, and someone familiar with that page will be able to help. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 04:42, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, TimTempleton, will do. -RFT42 (talk) 21:10, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi. I am not sure about religion but I think that ethnicity is an important information especially when detailing the background of a person. Also, Wikipedia is just presenting information whereas a job interview involves a certain judgment about a person. It is also possible that these references to ethnicity and religion are dependent on the available sources about the subject. Darwin Naz (talk) 23:30, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi RFT42, some essential reading on this topic is at WP:EGRS. It explains when such categories are apropriate and when not. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:28, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Roger (Dodger67)... funny, that page did not turn up when I first searched the topic. Not surprisingly, now I am more confused because it seems a lot a matter of opinion, whether or not inclusion of an ethnic or religious category is "appropriate" or not. I'm going to study it further. Thank you for playing. -RFT42 (talk) 21:08, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for asking about this, RFT42. Personally, I've always been critical of the tendency to categorise article subjects according to ethnicity or religion, unless they have clearly self-identified with those categories themselves. That's a personal view, however, and opinions on this clearly vary across the editing community. I also volunteer at OTRS, which is the system used to deal with e-mails that are sent to the Wikimedia Foundation with queries and complaints about Wikipedia. On several occasions, I've seen and responded to reader e-mails about people who have been categorised as Jewish, where the reader has wanted to complain that Jewish people have been categorised by religion where, say, Catholic people have not been. My thoughts on this have tended to be that this tendency is at least in part because Jewishness is often regarded as an ethnicity as much as a religious identity, in a way that Catholicism or other religious identities aren't. Incidentally, I've seen complaints that categorisation of article subjects as Jewish is evidence of anti-Semitism on the part of editors, and complaints that where people haven't been categorised as Jewish, that is evidence of anti-Semitism. All of which is to say, it's a complicated issue, to say the least! Cordless Larry (talk) 21:35, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Cordless Larry, you echo my thoughts. I also noticed a lot of articles where the living subject's religion is identified... Catholic, Buddhist, etc... I just used Jewish as an example, because of the singular race and religion aspect, so covering both. And, I agree that it's appropriate when the subject touts it themselves publicly, but, otherwise, I don't see a valid reason to include any race or religion among the living, when it is not historically significant (ie: first Jewish pope), though the country of birth seems innocuous, by comparison. Again, just my opinion, but maybe many more share it. (???) -RFT42 (talk) 00:45, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

articles

Dear teahouse

Can i publish an article about another person, not a celebrity or anything, but just a random person to archive the details? Hoping for a quick reply

thanks a random brain — Preceding unsigned comment added by A random brain (talk • contribs) 02:20, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

@A random brain: That isn't what Wikipedia is for. How would you react if you were flipping through Britannica and found an entry for some random Joe from Connecticut? -A lad insane (Channel 2) 02:27, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Proper way to use books as reffernces.

Hello, what is the best way to use books as references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celluloid Film Fan (talk • contribs) 01:44, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

@Celluloid Film Fan: What interface do you use? If you use the standard wikitext interface (monospace text in a box), click the "Cite" button in the blue bar at top, select the drop-down menu that says "Templates," click "cite book" and fill out the details. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 02:26, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Worked like a charm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celluloid Film Fan (talk • contribs) 03:20, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

  • Hi there @Celluloid Film Fan: - dont forget the extra details, like page number, date published and the ISBN ! The page number is particularly important in case anyone else wants to check the reference, and the ISBN and other details help to locate the correct edition of the book. Curdle (talk) 03:47, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

How to change the name of an article?

I just read the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edvard_Lundstr%C3%B6m, about Johan Edvard Lundström. I think it would be relevant to change the name in the heading from John to Johan, since Johan was his name and, at least in the article, there is nothing that indicates that he himself ever used the form John. How do I can make such a change? Many thanks! Garrrick (talk) 03:36, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Garrrick. That is accomplished by moving the contents of the article from the existing title to a new correct title. Please read Wikipedia:Moving a page which explains the process. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:04, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Garrrick (talk) 04:29, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

A Question about Wikipedia

Actually after watching administrators and other wikipedians of higher position here working with so dedication, one question have always lived in my mind. Do they or anybody earns money while working on wikipedia. I mean they spent nearly 12-16 hrs on wikipedia. Why should they be stressing themselves without earning anything and work so hard which is non-profitable at all? REGARDS HardSunBadMoon (talk) 07:05, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, HardSunBadMoon. The vast majority of productive editors are unpaid volunteers. Some have paying jobs doing something else and contribute while off work. I am a self-employed construction contractor, for example, and edit mostly in the evening and on weekends. But I may edit a bit on lunch breaks or during slow time. Other editors may be retired or disabled or unemployed or working part time or independently wealthy. But nobody is paid by Wikipedia to edit Wikipedia. I do it because I enjoy it and consider it more worthwhile than watching TV or tweeting or playing a video game over and over. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:17, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
HardSunBadMoon For the record, this question has been continually asked for over a decade... and there are several answers and attempt at answers out there. There are several academic studies on the question as well as various answers from varying perspectives. Wikimedia Foundation itself once found itself in curiosity to know the answer and this is what they found about this phenomenon sometimes described as the Wikipedia effect. –Ammarpad (talk) 07:33, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Ammarpad and Cullen328 for the answers. I was curious as i saw many devoting their so much time. Although what i think is that those peoples who have now become reputed in the community are known for quality of edits and not quantity(i have saw many editors with nearly 80k edits and all of those were used to make articles biased) should be paid. Though this job shall not be popularised but it should be that way. Anyways its still nice. HardSunBadMoon (talk) 08:10, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Wrong information

Someone has put a wrong sentence within a Definition of a word. I makes no sense:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_rattlesnake

I am not technical nor do I know how to edit, but this should be fixed.

Snakes do not do math problems as the person suggests. It’s stupid and misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:C85B:2900:E4CB:7AF0:A7B8:B07A (talk) 08:33, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

The vandalism has been reverted. Dbfirs 08:41, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Donated money

Just asking about the giving of donations. I was considering recently giving donations to a non profit organisation until I found out the CEO received $200,000+ other benefits a year. Is this the same for wikepedia??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.128.105.131 (talk • contribs)

Hi! That's a good question. Wikipedia and related projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation. All their financial reports are published here, and I've also found this page, which lists the salaries of chief officers and directors. If you have more questions about how the Foundation is run, it's probably best if you contact them directly. rchard2scout (talk) 13:07, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Retired

Hello. Please block my account because I will no longer do it from Wikipedia. Khris249talk 05:44, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Your account won't be blocked as you haven't done anything for which you can be blocked if you wish to leave Wikipedia just use the retired template.Denim11 (talk) 11:21, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Block length of 31 hours?

I noticed that for first blocks, often administrators will set the block time at 31 hours, instead of a more "round" number like 24 or 48 hours (example). Is there a technical or policy-based reason for this, or is it just arbitrary? --Joshualouie711talk 00:25, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Joshualouie711. It is more of a practical reason, in my view. Active editors often have a daily pattern of editing. Perhaps they usually edit in a window of a few hours in the early evening after getting home from work, for example. As I see it, the 31 hour block is intended to prevent them from resuming the same disruptive behavior 24 hours later, but is a bit more lenient than a 48 hour block. Speaking as an administrator, I think most of us are always looking for ways to calibrate our blocks to stop disruptive editing while offering the editor an opportunity to change their behavior and return to constructive editing. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:39, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
And 31 hours is the default selection for IP's in MediaWiki:Gadget-twinkleblock.js which is used by the popular tool Twinkle. 31 hours is also one of the options in a drop-down list made by MediaWiki:Ipboptions in the standard block interface. Administrators can manually enter any block duration but it's easier to select one of the given options. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:06, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
  • To elaborate: if I remember correctly 31h is calibrated so that if you vandalize in the morning and return the next day in the evening you will find yourself blocked, without the blocking admin having to do the math of time zones etc. TigraanClick here to contact me 13:58, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Queries

  • How to merge an infobox in another? I mean to those in which one infobox appears in another one.
  • Can a redirect have categories? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 11:12, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

@Harshrathod50: For the first one, can you tell us what is your use case? I suspect something like {{infobox politician}} is what you are looking for, but it might already exist.

For the second one, certainly. See WP:RCAT. There are categories just for redirects, and there are even cases where the redirect must be placed in an article category but not the target article itself. TigraanClick here to contact me 13:54, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Can you please tell me how can i do High level coding without reading that long wikipedia page

When somedays ago i saw a man disrupting a page, i rushed to request block on administrators noticeboard or whatever that was. But i couldn't make a report there as all my syntax knowledge has been lost after being inactive on computer for almost 5 years. Also, i just want enough knowledge that i can make an arbitration request and all those tough things. Can you suggest me what to do? HardSunBadMoon (talk) 13:15, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

FYI to all - this is about a multi-editor editing war at Maroon 5 David notMD (talk) 14:28, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
You should also point out thw fact that many reputed editors alongwith me were indulged in that because two new editors were reverting every sourced section relentlessly without giving reason. This can create a kind of blasphemy against me in public.HardSunBadMoon (talk) 17:29, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia, "Blasphemy is the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence to a deity, or sacred objects, or toward something considered sacred or inviolable." In my opinion the dispute with you and the debate about the musical style of Maroon 5 does not rise to blasphemy. David notMD (talk) 13:01, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
@David notMD: I believe, and believe it is obvious from the current thread alone, that HSBM struggles with English. That (mild) badgering was not really necessary, was it? TigraanClick here to contact me 14:23, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Firstly, if you can spell "blasphemy" you should know the definition. Secondly, two of "new editors' HSBM is railing about have been here longer than HSBM (the third, an IP address, is new and does appear to have a personal bias). Also, appears that before HardSunBadMoon began editing in December, may have been actively editing in November under the name Jgriffy98. Same focus - adding unsourced genre mentions to the articles about Maroon 5 and their albums. In one Talk exchange HSBM admitted to having multiple accounts, although not clear if sequentially or simutaneously. David notMD (talk) 15:42, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Redirect question

So, i have gotten a request declined by a IP user saying that i can make all these redirects by myself. But, how? If you ever answered, leave a teahouse talkback in my page. --kudos, TheWinRat (talk) 16:56, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Thewinrat Pinging instead of alerting you on your talk page, so others know this is hopefully answered. I'm not sure if this is what you need, but the redirect code is as follows:
#REDIRECT [[Page name]]
#REDIRECT [[Page name#Section title]]
You just put the code as the body of the redirect page that you create. The first example redirects users to the top of the named page. The second redirects users to a specific subsection of the named page. There's more detail here: Wikipedia:Redirect Hope this helps. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:32, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Ok, i see now. Thanks for awnsering. TheWinRat (talk) 16:53, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Review request

Hi, I have just translated the article https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Lu about the painter Christian Lu from French into English. I have posted the English draft version at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HSUN/Christian_Lu. I'd like to know if there is a confirmed editor who would like to review the work in order to get either the validation and procedure for publishing or some feedback. Many thanks for your help. Best Regards,--HSUN (talk) 21:04, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I fixed some reference errors. You're already autoconfirmed user, so you can move/publish the page yourself. See Help:How to move a page on how to do that. Ask here again if you're unable to do that. –Ammarpad (talk) 06:42, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

@Ammarpad Thank you very much for your help, and also for the cookies... I'll read the documents you suggested and improve my contribution skills. I hope to have further opportunities to discuss with you. Thank you again and have a great weekend ! --HSUN (talk) 17:22, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

References for Keith A. Schooley article removed

Hi. The article for Keith A. Schooley seems to have had three references removed. #1, #10, #13. When you click there it says "page not found" even though they have been there successfully for some time. Was there a reason they vanished? Please help. Hillary Chase. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hillary Chase (talk • contribs) 17:06, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Hillary Chase - First, please remember to always "sign" your comments with four tildes (~~~~). Second, yes those 3 references now do appear to be dead links. That has nothing to do with Wikipedia, rather it has to do with the sites where the references were found. Either that site is no longer up and running, or that particular page on the site has been removed or renamed. Onel5969 TT me 17:14, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) The references have not been removed from Wikipedia. What has happened is that the pieces they linked to, on websites somewhere else on the internet completely independent of Wikipedia, are no longer at the exact internet locations they were when the links were originally inserted. This may be because the 'parent' websites have removed them or relocated them at new addresses on those websites, or the websites themselves may have vanished for one reason or another. Until someone (such as yourself in this instance) tries to follow a particular link that has become a dead link, there is no way of knowing that it has happened.
Such loss of once viable links is very common on the ever-changing Internet (for everyone, not just Wikipedia), and is called Linkrot. It is often possible for someone to find the new address of such a piece, or another copy of it elsewhere, or a copy on some internet archive. Finding and repairing such dead links is a major housekeeping task on Wikipedia, that some editors (not including myself) specialise in – see Wikipedia:Linkrot. Now that you have pointed out these dead links – thank you for that! – one of them may be prompted to work on this particular article. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.202.210.56 (talk) 17:35, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Ah, okay, thanks I'll check with the source of those links. ... Looks like they still work though - here they are: https://thecostcouldbefatal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/BuildingEffectiveWhistleblowingPrograms.pdf https://thecostcouldbefatal.com/pdfs/Robber%20Barons%20Amazon%20Reviews.pdf So, not sure what the issue is if it's not Wiki and not the links. Any idea? Hillary Chase (talk) 03:15, 7 December 2018 (UTC) Hillary Chase

Hi Hillary Chase! It looks like you asked those links to be replaced in September, and the replaced links now no longer work. For the references #1 and #10, I've put back the original link, and I've merged the two references into one, since they're the same. For what used to be reference #13 (and has now become #12), I've decided not to link to the PDF with the Amazon reviews. This is because the actual source is not the reviews, but the book itself. That's why I have now used {{Cite book}} instead. rchard2scout (talk) 13:50, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

AOK makes sense. Thank you! How about if you to use this link at #12 for RB, would that work?: http://www.worldcat.org/title/robber-barons-of-the-big-board-a-feature-screenplay/oclc/785780441&referer=brief_results Again, I appreciate your help. Hillary Chase (talk) 17:48, 7 December 2018 (UTC) HC

What

I am new here — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bengwa (talk • contribs) 17:43, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

@Bengwa: Welcome to Wikipedia. Start at WP:ADVENTUREfor an interactive learning lesson and also WP:TUTORIAL. RudolfRed (talk) 18:28, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Titles in Title Case

Hello! I have created a page with a two-word proper noun as the title, however the software has created the page with the second word lowercase. Is there a way to go in and change the second word of the title to start with a capital letter? I've searched but can't seem to find an answer. AllenGraves (talk) 18:05, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, AllenGraves. To answer your specific question, please read Wikipedia:Moving a page. The article in question is Bloom intelligence, which is about a "WiFi marketing and analytics company", located in Florida. Your user page says you are a "Digital Marketer, specializing in WiFi Analytics and marketing", interested in Florida. Wikipedia is not a marketing platform, and if you engage in marketing activity here, your editing privileges here will be removed. Please read about our mandatory paid editing disclosure and comply immediately. Please also read our guideline on conflict of interest and conduct yourself accordingly. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:38, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Citations

How do you cite a source? Also, when you edit something does it show up immediately on the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bucknell123 (talk • contribs) 17:23, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Bucknell123, Help:Referencing for beginners explains how to cite a source. And yes, when you edit something, your changes show up right away. Maproom (talk) 18:07, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
I would add, they show up immediately unless pending changes protection is used if not autoconfirmed. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 18:50, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Hey @Guanaco: I've heard that you have been a great editor in the past! Do you have any suggestions for me to be a great part of the community?

See headline above, thanks--I love rpgs (talk) 17:48, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I love rpgs, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest you go onto Guanaco's talk page and ask him there. And then make your section name a bit shorter and put what you want to say underneath. --Biscuit-in-Chief I'd love to hear your opinion :-) 19:02, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

why

why cant i remove my account? --MeKLT (talk) 15:21, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

@MeKLT: To elaborate on the above answer: there is no physical way to delete a user account from Wikipedia. It's not that we're refusing to do it for you, it's that we have no way to do it. If you would like to walk away from your account, you can remove your email address from your account in Special:Preferences, on the "User Profile" tab, or you can disable email notifications on the "Notifications" tab, so that you won't receive any emails. But there's no way to delete a user account on Wikipedia entirely. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:24, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Please stop asking questions at the teahouse about the same thing. You cannot delete an account.Denim11 (talk) 15:27, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Another option: you can delete everything that is on your Talk page. That is within your rights. This action will not delete the tracking of your past contributions, but your public face - your User and Talk pages, will be clean. David notMD (talk) 19:27, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Denim11 they are different questions in fact. “How can I?” and “why can’t I?”. The answer is that edits on Wikipedia need to be associated with an account. That’s how the site works. Removing an account would leave all the edits by a person unattributed. Because of the way Wikipedia is set up, the editor to which an edit is attributed cannot be null. It’s a database programming and archive management reason. Edaham (talk) 23:29, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Also, you may consider WP:VANISH, per the discussion section here above. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:28, 7 December 2018 (UTC) Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:12, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

References at the end of an entry

Is there a format for listing references at the end of an entry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14E:4100:45A0:8858:30CE:23C5:995A (talk) 19:50, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

See WP:Referencing for beginners. In-line references are automatically formatted at the end. You just need to add the heading and {{reflist}} under the heading. Dbfirs 20:31, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Hey everyone how should I create my userpage?

Do you have any suggestions? Thanks  --I love rpgs (talk) 17:49, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

There's a section in The WIkipedia Adventure that walks you through building a user page, with some basic examples. That would probably be a helpful place to start. Random character sequence (talk) 21:02, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Question

What should I write about? I love sports. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teddyb9 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Teddyb9 - Wikipedia has many existing sports articles to be improved. The category Sports shows the encyclopedia content & can help get you started. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 21:03, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
@Teddyb9: Take a look at the project page Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sports. It lists other editors with the same interest and also some sports related editing that needs doing. RudolfRed (talk) 21:52, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
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