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Graeme Blevins edit

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Fails WP:GNG. While there are a number of sources, I couldn't find anything that is both reliable and provides WP:SIGCOV. GMH Melbourne (talk) 04:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Caspar Babypants edit

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already have Chris Ballew, his real name Coddlebean (talk) 02:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge rather than delete, then. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 04:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kat&Jared edit

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Biography for a Christian Rock group that has no sources aside from their personal website - reads like promotional material. Searches did not turn up any coverage of this group in reliable sources. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 00:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Per nom., this does not meet WP:GNG nor WP:NMUSICIAN. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 06:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alley of the Dolls (band) edit

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Newly created article, PROD declined. Sourcing does not establish WP:GNG being met. WP:BEFORE brings up only a couple of brief reviews of their EP. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Happy to add additional citations to the EP as many exist MusicForeverYours (talk) 01:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I Hate Sex edit

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Band which appears to fail WP:NBAND. They were only active from 2015–2018, so it's unlikely they'll receive further WP:SIGCOV. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Emi Khan edit

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So, we've got a singer, film director, producer and actor on our hands so I'm scratching my head over which policy to apply here. But whichever one we go with - I'm pretty darn sure they won't make the cut. Not even the basic WP:GNG, —Saqib (talk | contribs) 18:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Caps (rapper) edit

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No indication of notability. Looked for sources and found none (though that might be muddled by the simple name). —asparagusus (interaction) ^sprouts! 14:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Gsearch hits on social media, then goes off into nothingness. Very much not notable, no charted singles, no awards won, no coverage in RS, nothing found for this person. Oaktree b (talk) 15:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not yet notable per WP:MUSICBIO. Wikishovel (talk) 17:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Aida Vee edit

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lack of notability. little to no 3rd party articles detailing artist Minmarion (talk) 02:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Queen Killing Kings edit

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The article has some sources, but I could not find sustained coverage and to me it appears that it doesn't meet the criteria laid out at WP:NMUSIC. I think the community should decide whether this band merits having their own page. Keivan.f^Talk 05:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maula Bakhsh Khan (Ali Khan) edit

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The subject does not meet criteria outlined in the relevant WP:SINGER as well basic WP:GNG - existing coverge is WP:ROTM —Saqib (talk | contribs) 13:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Neutral I did the NPP review and noted at the time that I considered it to be an edge case regarding wp:notability. By "edge case" I meant the norms at AFD, not the most rigorous possible interpretations. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - not much available about this person, does not WP:INHERIT notability from son and grandsons and great-grandson. LizardJr8 (talk) 05:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - poorly sourced.Sameeerrr (talk) 14:13, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adi Oasis edit

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Article has been moved disruptively by the creator that has COI without improvements since last decline, so I am taking this to AfD. I cannot tell whether this passes notability, but as I can tell from the comments of the reviewers. Before search shows primarily stories on her releasing songs and albums, and sources listed are rather mostly interviews and videos. Toadette^Edit! 15:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Sources 2, 3 and 4 are listed as RS. Seems ok, some PROMO concerns but we can edit those out of the article. Oaktree b (talk) 18:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

K. K. Kabobo edit

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO or WP:ANYBIO. The only reason this musician got coverage from the media (both RS and non-RS) is because of his death, which falls between WP:BLP1E (recently died) or WP:BIO1E. It’s all about his death and nothing else. Nothing to establish notability on this one. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly keep this article.The reason is because this person was very notable when he was living, its unfortunate that little information has been written about him in the internet era, but he is really notable in Ghana, his death is not the reason why we have much publication about him, but rather it's his contributions he made to the Ghanaian music industry,kindly keep the article as we continue to make improvement to the article.08:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC) Jwale2 (talk) 08:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lya Stern edit

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This article is mainly a resume. Most of the sources in the article consist of dead links from websites that are related to Lya Stern; the rest of the sources either have brief mentions of her or don't mention her at all. After doing a Google search to see if there were sources that could be added to the article, the only significant coverage I found of her was from a website that listed Wikipedia as a source. The rest of the information I found was from her YouTube channel and mentions of her from her students. As a result, she doesn't met WP:GNG or WP:NBLP. That Tired Tarantula^Burrow 20:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment One source via Newspapers.com goes into some depth. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (Weak) - There is a big gap in WP on instrumental performers who have created the American musical/movie music scene, and in general the encyclopedia is too quick to delete (especially for women and minority performers), but here I think the AfD is correct. The Baltimore Sun article gives a bit of notability, but the other sources do not. A blurb on the back of one's teacher's independently published book is not enough. There needs to be more and I could not find anything that led to more than what a local performing teacher would have. Glad to be proven wrong. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 08:13, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lovari (musician) edit

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Doesn't seem to have any notable or significant credits. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 03:19, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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References for Lovari on Wheel Of Fortune (2023): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV8rMTIQ2C0

https://bobbymgsk.wordpress.com/2023/02/01/wheel-of-fortune-1-31-23/

References for Lovari on Judge Jerry Springer (2022):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U78Iy9fFQkc

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt25965282/releaseinfo/

https://followmy.tv/episodes/2487792/judge-jerry/3x104/103

References for Lovari on Match Game (2019):

https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/match-game-season-four-viewer-votes/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5672484/characters/nm2102281

References for Lovari in The Barn 2 (2022):

https://dailydead.com/horror-highlights-8-found-dead-the-harbinger-the-barn-part-ii/

https://hellhorror.com/movies/the-barn-part-ii-movie-7804.html

https://podcasts.apple.com/es/podcast/trhs-random-chat-with-lovari/id1539578136?i=1000641962062

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M.G Hkh edit

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Subject does not pass WP:MUSICBIO. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, subject fails NMUSIC and GNG. -Xclusivzik (talk) 06:28, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: WP:MILL, lacking SIGCOV, and doesn't meet WP:ANYBIO, WP:NMUSIC & WP:GNG. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Ratnahastin (talk) 09:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as managing to failing NMUSIC, GNG, ANYBIO, MILL, SIGCOV, and GNG. Wow! Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 22:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article should be retained as it documents the Zimbabwean notable rising rapper M.G Hkh, and many others may be interested in his profile too.— Preceding unsigned comment added by TakuChiwanza (talk • contribs)
- That essentially amounts to a WP:USEFUL arguement, which is general not considered to be good.

Jeanette Coron edit

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The subject appears to fail to meet the GNG or any suitable SNG. Running a before using Google News results in only a list of quotes from the subject. When filtering out quotes leads to a single website which only attributes another quote to the subject. Broadening the search to Google generally only provides links to social media, links to purchase books authored by the subject, and links to listen to subject's music. Page creator found 2 sources, [1] and [2], both of which are press releases and so are ineligible for establishing notability. I do not believe there is any suitable redirect targets. —Sirdog (talk) 03:16, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I've verified the above and not found anything different. Global and Mail looks like it might be an RS, but it clearly marks both these pages as press releases. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 05:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Stated clearly in the sources provided that it's press release. Fails WP:MUSICBIO. @T.C.G. [talk] 09:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Clear press releases which are not independent. Else, there is a quote in Newsweek but that isnt significant coverage Robertjamal12 ~🔔 09:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Hessburg edit

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Unreferenced article and subject does not seem notable, either for his music career or for his app designs. Can't find any significant coverage online and seems to fail WP:MUSICBIO InDimensional (talk) 20:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Conducted a BEFORE search and didn't find much we could use. Took a look at the previous AFD held in 2006, and the result was keep. All I'd say is Wikipedia was so much different back then. IMO those votes would not constitute an outright keep consensus today. X (talk) 20:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Denis Blackham edit

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Previously survived AfD when criteria was less strict for his 'client list', however notability is not inherited and I don't see much individual notability for this mastering engineer. Additionally the article has been edited multiple times by the subject which is a conflict of interest. InDimensional (talk) 20:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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TV2 Stars edit

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Non-notable. There doesn't really appear to be anything to be said about this subject. toweli (talk) 12:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete unreferenced article that does not demonstrate any notability. The "I got 2 babe" network ID promo receives mostly trivial mentions in one or two independent sources of varying reliability I found on Google. The group is not specifically named in any of these. There is nothing of substance here to warrant a standalone article. The network promo itself could probably be covered by a single sentence in the articles for TVNZ or the "Other media" section of I Got You Babe. Dfadden (talk) 14:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Network promo campaigns are incredibly unnotable and since this didn't even have the perfunctory charitable aim to get everyone together, the song isn't even notable. We've long killed mention of promo slogans and campaigns in network articles (for the most part the crufters who insist this is important have moved onto Fandom) and a mention on the song's article would be as equally pointless. Nate • (chatter) 19:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, fair enough. I'm not here to debate the notability of the promo, I just found several articles in independent sources that discussed it, as opposed to nothing at all about TV2 Stars. I'm firmly in favour of deleting this article. Dfadden (talk) 21:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gumbi Ortiz edit

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Does not meet WP:MUSICBIO. Essentially no coverage in reliable, independent sources online aside from an All About Jazz article. Meets no other notability criteria. Obviously created for undisclosed payments (see User_talk:WikiDMM). Clear friend a ^💬 21:52, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Found this source from the TB times [3]. Also, All About Jazz profiles are typically self-published, as this one appears to be, so that doesn't count towards notability. Mach61 23:00, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per this Orlando Sentinel article. Mach61 23:06, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Weekend (Canadian band) edit

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This article was evidently intended to be nominated by Originalcola (talk · contribs), but they accidentially nominated the talk page instead. Their original rationale follows:

Clearly lacking any significant coverage and being non-notable, failing to meet any notability criteria. No reliable sources exist and band is not mentioned except for trivial mentions.

Note that Originalcola previously attempted to PROD this with the same rationale; this was declined by an IP. Also note that this is not the much-more-well-known singer the Weeknd, who is also from Canada. The third and final note is that my involvement is entirely procedural and I offer no opinion or further comment at this time. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:16, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ah oops, my mistake. Thanks for the help! Originalcola (talk) 19:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Conrado Pesinato edit

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Information I found in a WP:BEFORE search seems to all be mostly related to their membership of the Graham Bonnet Band. Anything else I found is still solely related to their membership of a band (see WP:BANDMEMBER). Hey man im josh (talk) 17:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kenny Koh edit

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Claim to notability is winning a singing competition in 2003, as well as participating in another in 2014 (WP:REALITYSINGER). Not seeing anything really outside of that, despite apparently releasing 3 albums. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:41, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cambridge Chord Company edit

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Does not appear to pass WP:NMUSIC. Coverage is mostly centered around the British Association of Barbershop Singers. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yohanna Bako edit

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Fails WP:NACADEMIC, WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG. Sources are either song releases, PRs, promo puff from primary sources, or clearly not independent of the subject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:04, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - graduate assistants are basically never considered under WP:PROF guidelines, so we're looking at GNG or NMUSICIAN. I don't see a pass there. Guardian.ng seems to publish press releases as is under their name. If it were a real story, it would count towards notability, but real news stories don't end with "Dr. Yohan and TAP are thrilled to share this masterpiece with the world." -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 21:06, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: WP:TOO SOON. WP:SIGCOV is yet to be seen. Best, Reading Beans 09:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Evgenia Sergeevna Didula edit

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Russian pop, ethno-pop and folk singer. The person does not meet the criteria for WP:MUSIC.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 03:31, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Quatuor Habanera edit

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I couldn't find sources to show it meets WP:GNG / WP:MUSICBIO. Boleyn (talk) 19:36, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment found this album review here. Haven't done a full search yet, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gary L. Coleman edit

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. PROD was contested with sources from IMDB and of relatives being added, which do not establish notability. GMH Melbourne (talk) 00:41, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jemal Gokieli edit

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For me, it doesn't pass WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. If someone could bring satisfactory sources, it would be a fair one. Twinkle1990 (talk) 15:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kosher (band) edit

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I wasn't able to find much coverage. The band has an AllMusic biography, and this really short article in the Pitch. toweli (talk) 14:58, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There is also the sizeable Allmusic review as well as a review on the important site Punknews [4]. Also, Ox Fanzine [5], Suburban Voice [6]. Am also noting a site Ink 19 that I've never heard of before. I searched for their 2001 album only. Geschichte (talk) 19:44, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for identifying more sources. There's also another article in the Pitch. It seems I hadn't searched well enough prior to nominating the article for deletion. toweli (talk) 23:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Sister (band) edit

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Band does not appear to meet WP:NMUSICIAN. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:48, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Natasha Khan (Pakistani singer) edit

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The subject does not fulfill the criteria WP:MUSICBIO nor does their coverage satisfy the basic WP:GNG. A significant portion of the sources referenced lack reliability as per WP:RS while the rest are merely namechecks. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 12:09, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Erik Nielsen (Sonic Negotiator) edit

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Fails WP:BIO and WP:MUSICBIO. Largely by a single editor with a declared COI. The single reference and most of the external links do not mention Nielsen. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 20:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dubee edit

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Does not meet Wikipedia:Notability (music)

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Found this during PROD patrol, and wanted to discuss it at AFD myself. The pros here are a short Allmusic review and two sizeable writeups at Rapreviews.com. I have no prior experience with Rapreviews.com, but the site is used for more than 100 wp articles. I'm leaning keep. Geschichte (talk) 08:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dayytona Fox edit

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a musician, not properly sourced as passing WP:NMUSIC. The strongest notability claim here is a guest appearance on one album track from another musician's album, which is not an automatic notability clinch in and of itself -- and the article further states that it hasn't proven possible to verify that he's even signed to a record label at all, so the number of titles in the discography section does not fulfill NMUSIC #5 if the music's only verifiable release was on SoundCloud.
But except for one article in The Fader which is too short to get him over WP:GNG all by itself if it's all he has, this is otherwise referenced entirely to primary sources that are not support for notability at all, such as directory entries and Reddit discussion threads and a podcast interview in which he's talking about himself in the first person -- and even on a WP:BEFORE search for other sources, I just get glancing namechecks of his existence rather than GNG-building reliable source coverage about him.
Obviously no prejudice against recreation if and when he attains a stronger notability claim that has better referencing for it, but nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to already qualify him for an article now. Bearcat (talk) 17:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Non-notable musician, almost zero SIGCOV of him or any of his works, apart from the brief The Fader article, which covers his feature on Takeoff's "Infatuation". Being an "associated performer" on one song is not sufficient enough to fulfill WP:NMUSICIAN. Mooonswimmer 19:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The Fader link is a brief but useful bio. The rest are about what I find and don't help notability. Delete for not meeting MUSIC or GNG. Perhaps TOOSOON. Oaktree b (talk) 19:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Akade edit

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No clear notability. Creation tends to indicate an undeclared conflict of interest. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG. MeltPees (talk) 06:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC) — MeltPees (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Fayse Goh edit

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the article appears to be very promotional. I also searched up the name, and it appears to plagarize his youtube channel's description. Gaismagorm (talk) 20:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Info - Note to closer for soft deletion: This nomination has had limited participation and falls within the standards set for lack of quorum. There are no previous AfD discussions, undeletions, or current redirects and no previous PRODs have been located. This nomination may be eligible for soft deletion at the end of its 7-day listing.

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Rory Phillips (DJ) edit

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it doesn’t meet the criteria for notability. 1. Out of 4 references, 2 are links to artist’s own pages. 2 are PR pieces. 2. They have never had any single or album chart in their home country or abroad. 3. Nor have they had a record certified as gold. 4. They’ve never ‘had important coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country’ 5. Not released any albums. 6. Hasn’t been a member of 2 or more notable groups. 7. Hasn’t become one of the most important representatives of a notable style or the most important of the local scene of a city 8 & 9. Hasn’t won any awards 10. Not made music for any notable other media 11. Hasn’t been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network 12. Nor have they been subject of any documentaries etc Sarcastathon (talk) 08:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No evidence of notability in the article and I'm unable to find any significant coverage of him online. InDimensional (talk) 11:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Daniel Rosenfeldt edit

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Hi; this is my first time both using Twinkle and participating in the AfD process, so try not to flame me too hard if I make a mistake here. This article has somewhat poor sourcing and I've done a check for his name to try and find anything on him but I've come up short. If anyone can find better sources for this, that would be great, but I'm unable to on my end. Neo Purgatorio (talk) 00:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: nothing in the article suggests notability per WP:MUSICBIO and I'm unable to find any significant coverage online. InDimensional (talk) 11:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: High ranking in a major TV contest gives notability but I'd suggest that coverage in English will be hard to find Sansbarry (talk) 01:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hiljson Mandela edit

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The subject is not notable. The award "Cesarica" is not at all notable to value the importance of the subject. Upon WP:BEFORE, I could find 3 articles about him, which doesn't show notability. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 08:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It's easy enough to find widespread Croatian mainstream media coverage of this person - HRT had them on one of their music shows in 2021[7], RTL interviewed him in 2022[8] and later hired him for their 'Masked Singer' show in 2023[9], and Nova TV covered his interview in 2023[10]. There's a nationwide renown and it's a topic that might conceivably interest a few average English readers. Ultimately, if we kept Barbara Radulović back in the day, we might as well keep this. --Joy (talk) 07:53, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely strongly disagree. I second everything Joy mentioned! He is one of the most successful young Croatian musicians/rappers. With 2 Porin nominations[11][12], coverage by the 3 biggest Croatian TV channels (including interviews and participating as one of the celebrity contestants in Masked Singer) + millions of YouTube views and a lot more (I get that you couldn't find it tho, but there's def a lot of sources), I would say he is undoubtedly notable. I'm willing to expand the article soon. CroatiaElects (talk) 18:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep easily passes GNG in Croatian sources. SportingFlyer T·C 22:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alekh Kumar Parida edit

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. The sources are paid press - no reliable or significant sources. Additionally, this subject does not indicate any significance to have an article on Wikipedia. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 19:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The Subject passes the WP:GNG very easily, look at the newly published source also, [13] Abualsarmad (talk) 09:08, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Mostly all articles in Hindi-language, it passes Guidelines for Notability as much as I understood those. TheChronikler7 (talk) 16:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He is Notable musical artist and actor, found these sources when searched on the Engine, check [14]. TyagiZakirAli (talk) 12:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The subject passes WP:BASIC very easily. Historical Heritages of Bihar (talk) 19:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as notable and seems like there are good sources that could be added Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 01:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Sources indicate that he passes notability, the article needs work though InDimensional (talk) 21:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment What are the best WP:THREE here? And also the !vote somewhere above me was posted by a blocked user (Me_Da_Wikipedian). Roxy177 (talk) 21:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trés Hanley edit

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Strong WP:COI vibes; the article creator has (mostly) only edited this article over a period of 14 years, also uploaded the two pictures as "own work" that are in the article. Sources are the subject's personal website and two sources that don't meet WP:RS. Lots of unsourced cruft. A search for more RS reveals lots of user-generated content, which fits the pattern. Fred Zepelin (talk) 18:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I've removed most of the cruft, including an uncited and frankly ridiculous assertion that she was the first American ever to play Polly in A Beggar's Opera. IBDB lists 7 productions on Broadway alone. Having gotten rid of all that, it appears that some of her roles were more than just bit parts, but if no one can find sufficient press coverage, she would not be considered Notable. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The production was 1993 at London's Canazzaro Park. Miss Hanley did TV interviews in which it was stated several times that she was the first american to play the role. The Director was Peter Benedict. Many of the parks productions are not listed in IBDB even to this day. Yet they are listed with the West End summer limited run productions. PleeUK (talk) 13:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are several parks productions - Holland Park, Regents and Cannazaro London summer theatre associated with the West End in the 90s. Which roles were bit parts? Care to be specific? If you watch any of the shows that she has been in they are all featured roles or principle roles. Is this a legit or personal attempt on her work? PleeUK (talk) 14:17, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Two questions: (1) do you have reliable secondary sources to back up these statements? (2) Do you have a WP:COI with Hanley? I ask because most of your edits are to this article, and you seem to have a knowledge of her career that sources do not. Fred Zepelin (talk) 16:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, all her works are also verifiable on IMDB. There are various article that were online that may be dead links now. I have met her in the past twice. But cannot say I am a friend. I do find Wiki confusing and so If I did not do something correct I apologize. PleeUK (talk) 16:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You say you "cannot say I am a friend" - but in this edit, you say "You are looking to delete my friends page." Let's continue this tangent on your talk page. Fred Zepelin (talk) 16:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have said, I do not know her personally but I consider her a friend. I have followed her on social media and she is my friend there. You people here are very technical. Not all as familiar with the technical workings here.

You also make many false statements here saying her roles were bit parts when her name is on poster for movie mouth to mouth. And she has been lead or featured. Maybe you are experts on how to use wikipedia and I am not. I did apologize for it, but you do not have your facts on the actress correct. I was making an intervention on keep her page that's all. You do what you need to do. Thank you. PleeUK (talk) 17:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Provide citations to the articles in your scrapbook, as described below and on your own Talk page. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:PleeUK, Wikipedia does not accept IMDB as a WP:reliable source, because it is user-generated, so you need to cite reviews or articles from reputable publishers, like newspapers, about each production, show and film in which she appeared. You can't just say "she got press coverage" for something, you need to cite the exact article, author name, page number or URL, etc. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:03, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have a scrap book with information but i cannot track it to the periodicals online today. This is from over 20 yrs ago not now all online. PleeUK (talk) 17:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They don't have to be online. Here is how you can succeed: We need the name of the publication, the title and date of the article or book, the name of the author and the page number on which the information appeared. Post those things on the article's Talk page, and also type out the exact text from the article that verifies a statement made in Henley's article, so that I and other editors can see it, and if it does verify WP:NOTEWORTHY facts about her from a WP:RS, then I can add an appropriate cite to her Wikipedia entry. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You say IMDB is user generated but not all most of it is supplied from the tv or film compamies. You can watch the shows and see these actors in the roles. So how is this not legit? PleeUK (talk) 17:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On your talk page, Fred Zepelin has posted the answer to your question. But be assured that it is not an acceptable source, and you will not succeed by arguing about that. Instead, follow the procedure that I outlined for you above. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:BASIC, no in-depth coverage in reliable sources. Mika1h (talk) 06:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ebrahim Etemadi edit

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Ebrahim Etemadi likely doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Additionally, the mentioned sources might not be reliable enough. Waqar💬 19:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Three of the citations presented (2 Farsi and 1 Enlglish) seem to be OK. The Persian version of this has 17 citations and I saw some Ok ones there, such as 1, 2. We can't just assume because something is in a foreign language, it is unreliable. He seems to be well known in his country.Yolandagonzales (talk) 09:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Schwein edit

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Relisting as previous nomination did not attract any comment and soft deletion was not applicable. Non-notable band that only lasted one year; no sources found in English or German. Sources in Japanese linked on the page do not show WP:SIGCOV. Broc (talk) 14:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I believe the article should stay up. Per v, point 6, the group consists of several independently notable musicians. Weiqwbo (talk) 14:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per comment above, but also if only because having this content in each of the individual artist pages would be redundant (which is probably the point of Wikipedia:Notability (music) #6) -- t_kiehne (talk) 18:14, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question. Were they big in Japan? Bearian (talk) 20:09, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – KMFDM's parallel project, I believe it has enough notability. Svartner (talk) 09:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Los Zodiac edit

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This was hard to assess, especially as there are varying spellings used. I couldn't find enough to show it meets WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. Survived 2005 AfD ([[15]], but standards very different then. Boleyn (talk) 10:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Peruvian rock:

From this it seems like there is some level of coverage in 2018's Demoler. El rock en el Perú 1965-1975 by Carlos Torres Rotondo
There may be some leads from this: "Very little has been written about the History of Rock in our environment. Only sketches (as some newspapers usually publish) and some studies such as the one done by Jose Miguel Gonzalo Garcia, entitled Development of Youth Music in Peru, give us a brief idea of this whole matter. But the closest thing to a treatise on the so-called underground current or alternative music comes from the university works of which I mention (but always from a giraffe perspective, based more on journalistic data or conversations with subways, than on personal experiences), the job that my friend Miguel Lescano did at the beginning of the 90s, or the Underground Rock -10 Years of Wild Operas by Alvaro Olano Dextre. All of them are the first formal attempts to capture a history of underground rock. Someone will try to object to me by saying, what about Pedro Cornejo's book? I'm sorry to contradict you little brother, but the Game without Borders - Approaches to Contemporary Music that Pedro published in 1994 is not considered, not even by Pedro Cornejo himself, a total work, at least it is not what many (like me) expected from Pedro Cornejo Guinassi, graduate in Philosophy, professor at La Católica, participant in the first years of underground rock, editor and collaborator of alternative publications and other publications."
es-wiki does not have an article for them, and nor are they actually covered at es:Rock_del_Perú or es:Historia_del_rock_en_el_Perú
They are not the Los Zodiacs from Getxo in Spain who had a song in a Pepsi ad (see this from El Correo)

I can't see what's in Torres, etc, but there's otherwise a dearth of reliable sourcing for the band other than being one of a number of early 60s Peruvian rock bands. Unless adequate info is discovered in Torres or other RS, redirect with retention of history and categories seems the sensible option. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 12:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Haini Wolfgramm edit

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Member of a notable band, but per WP:MUSICBIO, not sufficiently notable independent of the band for a separate article. In a WP:BEFORE search, I can only find passing mentions of him in articles about the band. The Grammy nomination was for the band. He and his large family were interviewed on a national TV programme in 1994, and that interview was covered by some other media, but that would appear to be WP:BLP1E, and doesn't quite get him over the line for WP:MUSICBIO. A redirect to the band article could be an alternative to deletion, but I'm bringing it here first for discussion. Wikishovel (talk) 05:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to The Jets (Minnesota band). He has done nothing independently notable outside the band, and the article is simply an attempt to fill space with some tidbits from his personal life. The fact that he owns a small record company could possibly be mentioned briefly at the band's article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also recommend doing the same for Eugene Wolfgramm and Elizabeth Wolfgramm, for the exact same reasons. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ian Ferrier edit

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WP:BLP of a writer and musician, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for writers or musicians. This was previously deleted in 2019 per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian Ferrier and then got recreated in fall 2023 after his death, but this version is still referenced almost entirely to primary sources that aren't support for notability at all -- even the one footnote that's technically citing a newspaper is still just his paid-inclusion death notice in the classifieds, not a journalist-written news story about his death, and virtually everything else is content self-published by companies or organizations he was directly affiliated with, while the one potentially acceptable source (LitLive) is not enough to clinch passage of GNG all by itself.
And for notability claims, there are statements (a minor literary award, presidency of an organization) that might count for something if they were sourced properly, but there's still absolutely nothing that would be "inherently" notable enough to hand him an automatic notability freebie in the absence of proper WP:GNG-worthy sourcing.
And the French interlang is based entirely on the same poor sourcing as this one, so it has no GNG-worthy footnotes that can be copied over to salvage this either. Bearcat (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The French language sources aren't poor, they're excellent. Passes GNG easily on this basis. Desertarun (talk) 21:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Both the English and French articles are based entirely on primary sources that are not support for notability, such as "staff" profiles or press releases on the self-published websites of organizations and companies that he was directly affiliated with — only one source (LitLive) is GNG-worthy at all, and one GNG-worthy source isn't enough. People don't pass GNG just by using primary sources to verify facts, people pass GNG by showing third-party journalism and/or books that cover said facts as subjects of news and analysis. Bearcat (talk) 17:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Article has plenty of references so it seems like coverage is enough to pass notability guidelines. InDimensional (talk) 11:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: passed notability in my eyes Sansbarry (talk) 01:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability isn't a question of "your eyes", it's a question of whether the correct kind of sourcing is there or not. Bearcat (talk) 12:44, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think "in my eyes" means in my opinion of whether or not the sourcing is good@Bearcat Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 12:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please point out precisely which sources are "good", considering that they're pretty much all primary sources right across the board. Bearcat (talk) 14:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The citations presented are OK.Yolandagonzales (talk) 20:17, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep article has plenty of good references Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 12:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: While every opinion after the deletion nomination has been a bolded 'keep', I am still not suitably persuaded. Further discourse regarding the 'quality' (in Wikipedia terms) of the French sources appears to be needed.
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Keep. Even just limiting my search to English language sources, I see enough to meet WP:GNG. [16], [17], [18], ProQuest 1430523918, ProQuest 821134990. Jfire (talk) 18:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have expanded the article significantly using these sources and more. Jfire (talk) 00:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article has reliable sources to prove its notability. It passes GNG. ZyphorianNexus (talk) 23:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

James Dring edit

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PROD requested, but denied for being Grammy nominated. However, WP:ANYBIO requires winning once, or being nominated multiple times. Is twice good enough? I read multiple as something greater than two. So, fails ANYBIO. Even more, none of the references pass WP:SIRS, so fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG/WP:NBIO. Sources are database entries and press releases. No significant coverage. Jfire (talk) 16:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — to add to what UtherSRG said, he was nominated for one Grammy, not two, together with four other people. Also, the article is by a banned sockpuppet and paid editor, which we shouldn’t reward. — Biruitorul ^Talk 18:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As per this link [19], as well as the Grammy nomination, he has been nominated for a Golden Globe. Also - clearly WP:MUSICBIO applies here. ResonantDis_tortion 19:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep With named nominations for ~~two~~ three notable awards, that is sufficient to meet WP:MUSICBIO#8. There's also sufficient WP:RS to show the subject meets WP:COMPOSER#1. I have cleaned up the article including removing non-RS citations and adding several more, which may not be multiple lines in depth but do contribute per WP:BASIC, so any "whiff" of paid editor contribution no longer applies. ResonantDis_tortion 23:14, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment per the Billboard reference just added to the article - Dring was a named credit in the nomination of the Feel Good Inc. Grammy award. So he does have two Grammy nominations, plus the Golden Globe; I've updated my !vote. ResonantDis_tortion 15:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per ResonantDistortion. X (talk) 20:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Subject specific guidelines are for guidance only - every topic has to meet WP:GNG when WP:AFD is invoked. It seems unlikely that we will find WP:SIGCOV about him. Fails WP:GNG and WP:PROMO. 2A02:AB88:4C01:7500:84E:6485:B66C:DC73 (talk) 22:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete also per WP:NOTINHERITED. Article is rife with the requisite heavy namedropping and coattailing (Jamie T in particular) in attempt to cover for lack of individual notability and weak press-release sourcing. Being nominated just once for a soundtrack song all the way back in 2010, signing an agreement, and his recent production for an unknown indie artist (Terra Twin) aren't enough for SIGCOV. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 00:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(1) "all the way back in 2010" The date of the Grammy nomination is irrelevant as per WP:NTEMP, (2) Dring has been a Grammy nominee twice not once, the first in 2005, which is verified by a RS in the article, (3) The reason the article is "rife with the requisite heavy namedropping" is because the subject has made credited and verified contributions to a number of notable works, (4) two credited grammy nominations does rather indicate that notability by association does not apply, and (5) There are c. 14 words devoted to Jamie T, which does not appear undue, given that, for example, on the album Trick "sees Jamie T play all instruments alongside longterm collaborator James Dring" ([20]). I know I am probably repeating myself, but WP:BASIC, WP:MUSICBIO and WP:COMPOSER all apply. ResonantDis_tortion 07:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:MUSICBIO and fails WP:GNG. Can’t find independent reliable sources giving significant coverage. Contributor892z (talk) 05:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. This discussion is leaning towards Delete but I don't see a rebuttal to the assertion that this subject meets WP:MUSICBIO and WP:COMPOSER. It's also common for subject in music production to mention artists they have worked with and albums they have produced so that doesn't seem like name-dropping.
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Comment The article has been edited further - which includes a certain mount of tidying up, but also more text and RS that confirm further songwriting/composer credit on notable works. ResonantDis_tortion 22:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: the producer has worked with lots of notable artists and worked on notable songs and albums, however he doesn't seem to have the individual notability required to have an article. He has passing mentions in many references, but few of these could be called significant coverage of the subject himself. InDimensional (talk) 10:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Ebb and Flow edit

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Unreferenced article. I couldn't find any significant coverage on the web; it's tough to search for them as their name is shared with a few other groups, but by including band members I found only a very brief Q&A on sfgate.com and an album review on aural-innovations.com, neither of these seem like WP:SIGCOV and nothing in the article suggests notability per WP:BAND InDimensional (talk) 22:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep as they do have a staff written AllMusic bio here which states that they had a nationwide tour which is one of the criteria at WP:NMUSIC. Haven't done a full search yet, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - There's just not enough to pass WP:GNG. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 00:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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La Lionetta edit

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Doesn't meet WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 18:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unreferenced article, nothing of notability in the text and no coverage online. InDimensional (talk) 11:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I did a quick search on La Stampa's historical archive (which I highly recommend) and it returned a few hits: 1, an interview dated July 1982, on the release of their second album; 2, a short profile dated November 1982; 3, a concert profile dated June 1999 (which makes me wonder why the article says they broke up in 1987). There's also a profile on the website of Buccheri's council website (it looks dated, but it is the council website!). To me, these results suggest there are likely sufficient offline/historical sources to sustain an article. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 14:30, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I forgot to add the Buccheri profile link: it's here! On reflection, this seems to be part of an advertisement for a 2004 concert, so I don't think it can contribute to establishing notability as a non-independent source, assuming the council had any involvement in the concert. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 14:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A search on Google Books seems to return some hits/mentions in the context of Italian folk revival music; this seems indicative of a longer profile as a book chapter. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 21:34, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Those sources do not adequately support notability. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 19:05, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep in view of the reliable sources newspaper and book sources identified above by Ignatius that together show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 19:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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