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Hi, I have noticed you've been adding many interesting comments to talk pages of a number of articles. They would be much Politmore useful if you could also provide sources of the information and more details, whereever avalable. Many thanks. --Lysy ^(talk) 15:01, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

--silentStrike 20:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)==Cuban elections== Why did I revert your entry? Because there was nothing to back up your assertion. Having been in Cuba at the time of Poder Popular elections I know from personal experience that your contribution was based on political prejudice as to what consitutes an election. If you want to make a contribution like that and not be challenged then you'd best argue it through on the discussion page before putting it in the Cuba entry. If you don't want to get into a debate then come up with sufficient references to render one pointless. MichaelW 14:13, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

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Wake up MichaelW

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This gay is really a a tape player of Castro propaganda ,
 probably hi is on Castro's pay roll, like some congresman
 and a loving son of the system that he never live
 , that is enyoing the real freedom of this country
 where he do not have to be scare of the secret police
 following him behing or the oscure
 cell on the botton of the "cabana" o "vista marista".

Hey MichaelW wake up the Poder popular is a finger pointing
 institusion no and elected one, even that 
they try the election, all the candidate are propused by the
 PCC not by normal people like you or me.  

I belibe that trying to sensor this media or other
 is like try to play with the media and wiki should be 
open to the opinion of every  single individual.

Went Castro wrote the "History Will Absolve Me" he try 
to play with the people emotion againg Batista, but he 
became worst than Batista went all the problems that 
hi was needed to fix are even worse that
 went he toke power from the republic.

 And really sorry MichaelW your neuron are working really bad. 
if you want we could exchange you, for one of the
 10 million Cuban who one to come to this country  and enjoy 
the freedom even with the shark killing one of every
 5 Cuban who cross the stretch.

WP:NPA

With regards to your comments on Talk:Cuba#Censorship: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. "Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Wikipedia. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users." Please keep this in mind while editing. Thanks. --Colle||Talk-- 23:52, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Deletion

The article was deleted for the following reason: nonsense from counter-revolutionary websites and "It is an empty or very short article providing little or no context". If you have any other questions, let me know. Cheers. -- WB 00:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Welcome

I see that nobody has welcomed you to Wikipedia, and given you a list of tools.

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(A word of advice; it makes no sense, but you will get more respect if you create your user page).

La Seguridad del Estado

I removed the statement "La Seguridad del Estado supports the system" because although it is true, it doesn't really say anything. You wouldn't write "the CIA supports the system" in the US article. Also, State Security has changed, I don't think it is still viewed as the secret police. Their mandate is more stopping terrorism and saving tourists nowadays, no? --Colle||Talk-- 17:47, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

specify, please

ZWould you please be more polite, Sir? Xx236 14:42, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Could you specify which comment you're referring to? Just curious. KarlBunker 14:47, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[Later] Oh, you're referring to my comment about your edit to McCarthyism. I'm sorry, but it was a silly edit. The McCarthyism article is not about the crimes and oppression of the Soviet regime, nor is it about the merits of "anti-McCarthy movies". And you aren't supposed to put personal comments like "I don't know any one showing crimes of the evil system..." into a Wikipedia article. If you make mistakes like that in your edits, your edits are going to be called "silly" (or worse). KarlBunker 15:07, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

USSR

I don't believe that your polish/baltic POV actually helps wikipedia. In fact, I would say that you are less informed than me, since you only see the bad things of the USSR. Messhermit 17:24, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Since only an ignorant can bring up to the topic stuff like Capitalistic Miami, I would ignore your comments. If you don't have anything of importance to say, don't bother wot write me. Messhermit 13:33, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Freedom

"Michael, I find it unfair to use freedom of the non-Communist world to advertise lack of freedom. Xx236 11:16, 27 February 2006 (UTC)"

The Cubans have freedoms we don't and we have freedoms they don't. Unless you live in a state of total anarchy, freedoms everywhere are limited. The basic freedom in the capitalist world is for any individual to have as much of the pie as they can hold on to. All our other freedoms are secondary.

'Fairness' is a measure of our own making and has little to do with the way anything works. You have set up your own standards of importance when measuring 'freedom' and when the world outside your head fails to respect thosae standards you cry "Unfair!!!" Enjoy the echoes, there's not much else to be gained from such egoistic attitudes. MichaelW 13:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

"You do exactly the same what I do - you have your point of view. The difference is that you have some authority in Wikipedia, you censor and criticise me." Where do you get that from? I have no more authority than you. I don't censor you, I edit just like anybody else. It isn't personal. "If Cuban people are so happy, why are they so controlled?" Have you been to Cuba, spent time working with, socialising with, ordinary Cubans? I have. They, like you and me, are limited in their activities by the rules of their society, official and unofficial. In my experience they are no more or less content than people in other places. What struck me most about Cuba was how peaceful it was compared to the UK. They aren't controlled and oppressed in the way the Miamians and US anti commies portray them. That's just propaganda.

"The Cuban system will fail sooner or later, probably after the death of Fidel Castro." When the Soviet Union collapsed the same thing was said. As long as Cuba's critics focus on Castro and exaggerate his powers they will underestimate the resiliance of the system as a whole. MichaelW 19:15, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Keep believing the anti Castro propaganda and you will constantly be surprised. There has been a strong leadership, separate from the Castros, running Cuba for a few years now. Alarcón, Roque, Lage. Those names mean anything to you? Fidel may have a lot of influence but his main role these days is voice and face. Raoul is, from what I've heard, as keen an agriculturalist as a military leader. I doubt at his age he will be more than a stop gap leader. MichaelW 15:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Artur Szyk

Polish 'pedia says that he was "participant of polish-bolshevik war", which is basically true. You know, cooks, truck drivers, musicians, artists, etc. may serve army in their profesional capacities without being brave soldiers. Also, he was not clerk. He was artist. mikka (t) 16:21, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I see what you meant. Well, his official bio (eg., referenced in en: wiki) says he was in charge of artisitic propaganda and says nothing about actual fighting in polish-soviet war. The article you mentioned, while provides important information about him as artist, leaves me suspicious whether the author knew details about this war, since it does not say a word about Szyk's professional activity in this period (although "Szyk as artist" is the main topic of this polish article). I suspect that the author of the article knew that Szyk was in Army, but he had absolutely no idea what Szyk did there. From what I've read, Szyk was sitting in Lodz, nowhere near Polish-Soviet front. mikka (t) 18:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I am copying our dialogue into Talk:Arthur Szyk. In the future, when discussing article content, please use the article talk page, and use the user talk page to invite to the discussion. This is because may be other people have more information on the subject. mikka (t) 18:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Soviet Union

Did you read all the talk page archives yet? - FrancisTyers 11:08, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Please try and maintain civility and refrain from making personal attacks, insinuating that I intend to humiliate victims is highly rude. I realise that this is a very emotional topic for you and that you can get a bit worked up, so I will assume good faith.

No matter if you criticise this one, the one of 2004 or the one of 2001 it doesn't matter, the chances are that the discussion of the separation of church and state has been covered before and probably your complaints have been answered. Thanks for your time :) - FrancisTyers 11:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Powała

Sure, but that was not the way to correct that. You don't copy-paste articles in wikipedia as it breaks the page history and suggests that you were the author of the article and not just the person who copy-pasted it to a new location. Instead you use the move option. I reverted your blanking of the article and asked User:Piotrus to move it the proper way. //Halibutt 12:15, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

GL and AL

It wasn't a proper question, was it. //Halibutt 13:54, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

They did as they were mostly formed by Polish citizens on Polish soil. Though you're right, the organization was not state-controlled, as barely any underground organization was at that time. //Halibutt 07:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

...and..? //Halibutt

You're right. They are there for the sake of consistency. The NSZ weren't part of the "Secret State" either, yet their political representation was. And it's easier to have all of them in one template rather than four different templates.

BTW, you might want to consider starting to write a tad longer comments. Most of them are too enigmatic to be understandable. Also, you don't have to start a new section every time you add a word or two. One section is enough, really. //Halibutt 13:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at this edit to get the idea. //Halibutt

Prussia

All information about discrimination of national minorities in Prussia was deleted. Information that Poles were subject to discrimination in Prussian state have been stated as "historical revisionism" by a German user[1]. All information about this presented on discussion page was either ignored or claimed that it is a Polish POV because Poles feel unsecure living on others land, despite the fact that sources were non-Polish. Please help in achieving NPOV in the article --Molobo 15:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

1901 Church - Spiral spire, Beslau

Yeah that's a good question - thought it was from an on-line list - I'll check my books tonight - it does look like a mistranslation to me - I've found a reference to a HochKirche Turmhelm in 1901 breslau - Give me 24hrs and I'll either fix of remove it.--Mcginnly | Natter 11:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC) ps. I took the liberty of fixing your talk page layout problem - sorry if it was supposed to be like that.--Mcginnly | Natter 11:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC) I've fixed the link to the archinform website.--Mcginnly | Natter 09:05, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Laurynas Gucevičius

Well, the article in Lithuanian says that his father was a peasant, Simonas Masiulis and his mother Kotryna Masiulienė (her maiden name Žekonaicia, her father Žekonis), his wife. Ona Gucewicz was a godmother, her maiden name Baltušytė, she was married to somebody named Gucewicz. The church baptismal record shows that, the most likely Polish speaking priest wrote in Latin. There was also a stepmother, wife of Masiulis after Laurynas mother died. I translated this for you, even so I don't know who you are, but Halibutt most likely will read this and will appropriate my work for free as he used my translation from Lithuanian wikipedia and from Lithuania's history book for his own goals. He is proud of his nonsense writtings and linking refs on his whims, that what I think of him. He should not write or edit what he doesn't understand, but he didn't care about my warning and there is no way of stopping him. So you judge for yourself. Juraune 10:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Does it mean that he was adopted? No. Please read about Roman Catholic baby Christening traditions. Laurynas was christened when he was a baby. It was back then, not in modern world. Godmother usually has to take care of her godchild throughout his life and it doesn't mean adoption, taking a child away from his real mother or stepmother. Have a nice weekend. Juraune 13:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Babel?

Please consider adding useful info from Wikipedia:Babel (languages) to your userpage (it would help me to know if I can direct you to Polish language sources or not); besides, it would make you look more like an active editor you are if your userpage was not red.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  01:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Tnx. You may also want to add information about your English skills, and other languages if you know them (see User:Piotrus/Babel for my Babel details).-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  00:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

talk:Erika Steinbach

none of your comments, or better defined as allegations and falsifications warrant a response to them. When you are ready to contribute anything meaningful to the discussion, then I will find it worth my time to respond to you. As Richard Rorty said in his essay "Religion as a Conversation-Stopper" (Philosophy and Social Hope, pp 168-174 1999 Penguin books, London) YOU ARE A "CONVERSATION STOPPER".

--Jadger 00:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Memebers of my family have been murdered by Germans during WWII. I cannot stand German revisionists, claiming that other nations were reponsible for WWII. Xx236 13:40, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Note to Xx236 re comments on my talk page:

By "other less visible atrocities," I meant the Nazi-German crimes against Poles, Russians, other Slavs, Gypsies, the mentally ill, German socialists, and so on. I fully realize Poland suffered horribly under the German occupation. The challenge to Poles three generations later is to find a way to reconciliation with their western neighbor. Sca 19:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, the challenge is to both peoples. Sca 15:56, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Expulsion of Germans after World War II

There is a discussion going on between User:Lysy and myself at Talk:Expulsion of Germans after World War II. Lysy has brought up an important criticism of the article that I agree with and will result in a shift in the tone of the article. I would like your input into the discussion before edits are made rather than afterward. Please join us in this discussion.

--Richard 11:59, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

User:75.9.47.5

That's his only edit since his block but I'll watch him, one more and he's history :) 12:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Oborniki Śląskie

Heja! Wiem że minęło trochę czasu ale czy możesz mi powiedzieć o co dokładnie chodziło z pytaniami na dyskusji: Talk:Oborniki Śląskie? MonteChristof 00:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC) No z definicji, chociaż same Oborniki leżą na morenie czołowej i mamy tu miejscami nawet czarnoziem, ale wystarczy tylko przejechać się w dół miasta - na południe połudiowe i zachodnie części gminy aby okazało się że gleby naraz słabną do lessu. Pisałem narazie w zamyśle o gminie - ponieważ jeszcze do niedawna był zwyczaj pisania na en.Wiki wszystkiego w jednym artykule. Oprócz dębu rośnie w mieście również buk. Jednak jak powiedziałem wystarczy zerknąć że kilka kilometró dalej mamy Rezerwat Przyrody Jodłowice, będący ostoją jodły... MonteChristof 15:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Krauts

Re your assertion — as I understand it — that Germans don't know about or give proper attention to Nazi crimes, I recommend this English-language version of an article on Spiegel site. Not because it's exhaustive or comprehensive, but because it's just one small current example of the countless German articles and books about these matters that have appeared for decades in Germany. Here's a link:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,435882,00.html

Here's another relating to the same book:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,434795,00.html

Sca 19:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I'm sorry, but I have to say I think your view is jaundiced. As far as I am aware, the story of the '44 Warsaw uprising is well known in Germany, as it is elsewhere in the West, among reasonably well-educated people who have some interest in history. It's one of the chapters of WWII.

I'm not writing about "reasonably well-educated people who have some interest in history" (1%?). The two Warsaw uprisings were many times mixed up by politicians and writers, even by one Bundespresident. Norman Davies' popular book was published only in January 2003 (English) and in 2004 (German). Expulsions lists in Wikipedias don't enlist the expuslion of Warsaw people (I believe I have added it in the English Wiki, but not in the German one).

Granted, popular knowledge of history tends to be superficial, and some people just aren't interested in history at all. At the popular level many people may not know much about the Warsaw Uprising (unless they've read Mila 18) — but my impression is that this is not as true in Germany as here in the U.S., since Nazism/WWII was such a pivotal and catastrophic event for Germany. Every German I've known over the years is very well aware of the huge burden of collective shame the Germans will bear for centuries as a result of the Nazi crimes against humanity, including the Poles. It's in their media all the time.

The situation has changed since Erika Steinbach's project was accepted by many leftists. The Center against expulsions will create the symbol of reponsiblity of cruel Poles in the vincinity of the Holocaust memorial. No symbol od crimes against Poles exists in Berlin.

I watch German TV. Nazi crimes against Christian Poles aren't a frequent subject. A short Warsaw uprisining documentary has criticised by many viewers, I have obtained a standard answer qwhen I prised it.

Example: A few years ago, when my wife and I were visiting Lithuania, I took a side-trip to Olsztyn and Ketrzyn, basically to see what the southern part of the former East Prussia was like as part of Poland. Because of my interest in history, I went to the ex-Wolfsschanze ruins east of Ketrzyn.

Well, at the hotel where I stayed in Ketrzyn there was a group of German bicyclists, and some of them went to the Wolfsschanze, too. Later that afternoon, they were on the hotel patio having beer and talking, and I heard one of them say, "I'm so ashamed, so ashmed!" Obviously, this guy was born long after WWII; he was expressing a very typical modern German POV: Shame over the entire phenomenon of Nazism.

I believe that anti-Polish Germans generally don't visit Poland on their bicycles, eventually they distribute anti-Polish printigs near the border.

Sure, there are extremists and neo-Nazis in Germany (mostly in the ex-DDR), but there are white supremacists and self-styled neo-Nazis in the U.S., too — and skinheads in Poland, for that matter. I'm not talking about them. (There are idiots in every society.) I'm talking about the prevailing attitudes of reasonably educated people.

I have read hundreds of free German opinions in the Internet, they were mostly anti-Polish or - when neutral - rejected any responsibility or shame. I don't demand responsibilty or shame from young people, I want historical context. Even www.shoah.de contains doubtful claims and recommends an allegedly WWII forum, where anti-Polish opinions are presented. At least two German-Polish forums were destroyed by hate-postings. CDU Forum contained many anti-Polish texts.

The expulsion of the Germans wasn't the biggest one in Europe. The SU expelled much more people during the revolution, civil war and collectivisation.

Sca 16:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Bambrzy

1. Nie "Bambergi" a Bambergu
2. Wynika to z historii... [2] [3] [4]

itd, itd.

Proszę, nie wprowadzaj "merytorycznych" poprawek w tematach o których masz jak widzę mgliste pojęcie. Radomil talk 13:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

A co ma Würzburg do Bambrów? A co do popularnosci źródeł... spójrz na autorkę. Jeśli chcesz pisać o bambrach, a nazwisko prof Marii Paradowskiej nic Ci nie mówi to nie mamy o czym rozmawiać. Radomil talk 13:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Ale jak lubisz ksiażki to proszę: Jerzy Topolski (red) Dzieje Poznania, tom I cz. 2 do roku 1793, Warszawa-Poznań 1988, Państwowe Wydawnictwo Naukowe ISBN 83-01-08196-3 Radomil talk 13:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Błąd wynika prawdopodobnie z faktu, że w XVIII wieku diecezja bamberska była w unii personalnej z diecezją würzburską atanowiąc eklezjastyczne państewko, osadnicy pochodzili jednak z okolic Bambergu a nie Würzburga.

Co do prof. Paradowskiej - jest ona przewodniczącą Tow. Bambrów Poznańskich (sama jest bamberką), kieruje Pracownią Etnologii Instytutu Archeologii i Etnologii PAN (Oddział w Poznaniu) i wykłada na UAMie. Radomil talk 14:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Sprawa jest o tyle niejasna, że znaczenie słowa "Bamber" zmieniało się w czasie. Pierwotnie oznaczało osadników z Bamberga zaś z czasem zaczęło dotyczyć wszystkich mieszkańców (bez względu na pochodzenie) tych kilku ówczesnych, podpoznańskich wsi. Zatem używajac słowa "bamber" w szerokim znaczeniu, można nie mieć wogóle niemieckich korzeni, a być uznanym za bambra. Co więcej, przez pewien czas, w gwarze poznańskiej, słowo "bamber" było po prostu pejoratywnym określeniem odpowiadajacemu dziesiejszemu "wieśniakowi, burakowi". Radomil talk 14:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

RE: jadger

to what were you referring? posting senseless warnings on user pages are defamatory and highly incivil.

--Jadger 17:01, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

209.149.52.6 has fun

... and was reverted within seven minutes. But I'll keep an eye on further edits by this IP and report to WP:AIV if necessary. I suggest you to the same, have a nice time editing Wikipedia! --VirtualDelight 17:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Adam Mickiewicz

Yes, I am sure that Adam Mickiewicz had Jewish roots. See: "Mickiewicz's mother, descended from a converted Frankist family": Encyclopaedia Judaica, art. Mickiewicz, Adam. "Mickiewicz's Frankist origins were well-known to the Warsaw Jewish community as early as 1838 (according to evidence in the AZDJ of that year, p. 362). The parents of the poet's wife also came from Frankist families." Encyclopaedia Judaica, art. Frank, Jacob, and the Frankists.

I would not like to write here about his personal connection with Jewish community (i.e. Rotschild family) or deep Jewish elements (Kabbalah) in his poetry or writings. I hope you know the following fact: on the outbreak of the Crimean War, Adam Mickiewicz went to Turkey to organise - with his friend Armand Levy, a Romanian Jew - a Jewish Legion, the Hussars of Israel, composed of Russian and Palestinian Jews.

An article in la Repubblica of 14 July 2004 concluded with the testimony of Jacek Kopcinski, who said:«Today Polish romanticism is spoken of as a synonym for nationalism and anti-semitism. It was the opposite: the messianism of our poet Mickiewicz had Jewish roots. Marek Edelmann, the last leader of the revolt of the ghetto, followed Mickiewiciz himself, in the idea of death heroically sought and not merely undergone. The idea that Poland should sacrifice itself for Europe arose in Jewish circles».

Shalom, Mibelz, PhD, 17:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Xx236 ! Your emotional writing is real funny. Do you know that Karl Marx wrote anti-Semitic articules ? Have you heard about Ariel Toaff's anti-Semitic theses ? Mazel Tov, dr Mibelz, 20:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Is there some reason we are not mentioning, as well, Bobby Fischer's anti-semitic remarks? Mibelz is correct here. I would just put in all supported statements, with indications of support.--Epeefleche 11:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello Xx236 ! You have written: "Muzeum Literatury has published a research proving that Mickiewicz' mother was Tatar. I don't care if she was Chinese or Russian, if you care and want to wage a war in Internet, you would rather read the article and prove that the Belarussian author was wrong". First of all, I do not want wage any wars. Of course, your funny writing is connected with Chinese or Russian roots, and the anti-Semitic argument.

I do not know an articule on Mickiewicz' mother written by a Belarusian author. Please, send it to my address. Probably, the author came into notice that among Lithuanian-Belorusian Frankists (Jews who converted to Christianity) were not only Ashkenazi (Western) Jews but also Karaites (Eastern Jews). In 15th century Lithuanian prince Vytautas ordered to settle some Tatars in Trakai region (their descendants live there by now, and they are Karaites, not Muslims).

Greetings, Mibelz, 9:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Stop spreading lies

Stop spreading your POV as an objective information like this [5]. Nobody says that expulsion was good or bad. Only difference is that Germans were expelled by force, and Poles did leave Vilnius on their own will (as it is stated in the reference). Do you understand the difference?--Lokyz 14:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I did leave previous message here, because it was a friendly and personal advice to reference what you say, and not push your POV, as in this very case. And let me remind you, Wikipedia talk pages is not chat pages.

And as for Lithuanian academic research quality I do not think you have enough qualifications to judge them - better find some academic resource confronting Stravinskienė's conclusions. Your POV alone does not have any value. Have a nice day.

Ah another one thing - you may want to provide any diff, where anyone stated clearly, that Polish repatriation was "good".--Lokyz 15:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Stop slander - not supporting Polish POV is not a proof of nationalism. I did provide reference, that explains why I do call it the way I call. Many English book call it repatriation, you might check in a library. So it is rather your knowledge under doubt, not mine, and this is your nationalism that makes you spread lies about me.

And, as I can see you cannot provide any proof that i did call that act "good". The link you provided [6] does not support your slander. I'm still waiting for an apology.--Lokyz 00:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Even if I respect your opinion, Wikipedia is based on few simple rules - [[7]], neutral point of view and not not on opinions or beliefs. Let me explain it to you a bit further - neither you neither I have been there, and neither you neither I did see documents about the process nor the same process. To grasp what was happening and to put it in understandable and not weasel language, in other words - neutral look at he subject is a job for professional academic scholars, that maintain neutral language. Other side of the coin are journalists, who do write things in emotional manner (it is needed to stimulate increase of newspaper sales) and this sometimes leads to further creation of stereotypes, that escalates hatred towards others and can even cause revanchism. That's why neutral language is needed, and that's why Wikipedia is dealing with facts, not emotions. If you want to express your feelings on the subject you may create your own webpage or blog, and write your feelings down there. And by doing this you would join journalist side. And lastly - no, I do not approve the things that happened. With a minor disintction - I do remember not only Polish, but also Lithuanian victims, remember Polish caused Wilno pogroms, burning Lithuanian libraries. And that does not make me shout on every corner about various nationalisms and national stereotypes, just NPOV'ing articles not to cause accidental outburst of revanchism. Have a good day.--Lokyz 10:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

University

Thank you for your contributions to the University article. Please be aware that when contributing to articles, it is appropriate to include sources for your information. Without such, this information may be questioned and even deleted. Rklawton 16:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Personal attack warning

This is not allowed on Wikipedia. Please be civil when discussing things with other people. Ashibaka (tock) 16:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

This is not allowed on Wikipedia. Please be civil when discussing things with other people. If you persist in making such attacks you will be blocked. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 16:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Biało-czarne

Nie wszystko jest biało-czarne. Moglbys podawac zrodla, edytowac artykuly i brac udzial w dyskusjach na WP:PWNB zamiast tylko krytykowac, wiesz... -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  18:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Dr Dan, don't write on my personal page, I find your commentas hostile. Xx236 06:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Anti-Polish Sentiment

Of course, I didn't worry about the page title - the point is that Anti-Polish sentiment has essentially the same content. If you don't like the title of that article, take it up on the article's talk page. The point is that the two pages are needlessly duplicating each other. WilyD 16:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Numbers

Your article Jabłoń-Dobki states that there were 91 local people killed there during pacification of March 8, 1994. Meanwhile, article Pacification operations in German-occupied Poland states that 81 civilians were burned alive and additional 15 shot in that village. Can you explain the difference in numbers? If the 15 civilians were shot dead, the total number of victims would amount to 96, rather than 91. I'd appreciate if you fixed that little discrepancy. --Poeticbent  talk  14:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I doubt very much that detailed numbers exist for any mass crime. For Jedwabne it's 340-1600, so ten or twenty is nothing. The Polish Wiki had 93, 91 comes from quoted IPN journal. I don't know the source of the other version.Xx236 15:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

In such case let's leave it where it is. --Poeticbent  talk  16:29, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Organized persecution of ethnic poles

From what I read, none of the delete camp would have minded a redirect or merge. Hence, consensus was pretty strong. I don't like to say that a debate is "no consensus" unless there's no solution that will satisfy most of the participants. Mangojuice^talk 11:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Censorship

I have the right (just like every other editor) to remove whatever material from the talkpage that is not aimed at the betterment of the page. Your original comment was based on POV and contributed nothing. The Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines page clearly states “Talk pages are not a forum for editors to argue their own different points of view about controversial issues”. Need I say more? (Ghostexorcist 09:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC))

If you actually contribute something that will improve the article, your stuff won't be deleted. You have a lovely day! (Ghostexorcist 10:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC))

Belarusian articles

I understand many Belarusian articles on here are written in a Soviet POV. There are also many of these articles I have not seen yet, but give me some time, I can try and see if the Zscout-magic can do anything. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 20:30, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, here is a partial answer to your question. :Dc76 15:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

You are right, there is no article about the common graves at Tatarka yet. I understand that you are interested specifically in the killings that took place in June-August 1941. So, POW killed in 1944 would fall out of this category. Similarly will those killed before 22 June 1941.

Here is a short overview of instances known to me. I can not find sourses ad hoc for all of them, but I can do this in time. However you can have an idea about the scale:

• In every county center of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina there was an NKVD headquoters. Many arrested people were taken there to never be seen again. When the Romanian army arrived in July 1941, shallow graves were discovered in all of them in cellars, in courtyeards, or in wells. I read about those in Chisinau, Orhei, Tighina, Soroca, Cernauti, Cetatea Alba. None of them contained particular big number of people: generally around 40-50 each, with the exception of Chisunau, where there were more. However, the discovered remains showed horible signs of torture: missing limbs and fingers, hands and legs tied with metal ropes, etc. It is not completely clear on which date these were killed: could be both before or after 22 June 1941.
• A deportation has previously occured on 13 June 1941, and 40.000 people were deported. Only a small fraction of them ever returned from the Gulag.
• Fasty processes took place for people arrested before 22 June 1941. For example, the Vasile Lupu High School in Orhei process, that I have already mentioned. 13 were shot and 13 deported (7 died, 6 survivied, including the youngest, age 13 when condemned, for being part of the group that wrote anti-communist slogans on some buildings in Orhei at age 12 and 1/2)
• I googled now in 3 minutes, and found for example this, which gives the following examples:
  • in the cellar of the NKVD building on 97, Viilor street, Chişinău were found 87 bodies, including 15 in a common grave, with tied hands and legs.
  • in the courtyard of the former Italian consulate in Chişinău, where NKVD had another branch, 80 bodied were unveiled, the majority remained unidentified because of very much mutilation. It appeared that the people were burned during the interogation, and then treated with lime and acids after death. According to their cloves, the victims were mainly priests, students, school students, railroad workers.
  • in the cellars of the Mitropolitan Palace in Chişinău were discovered "cells for Romanian nationalists". On 7 september 1941, in Chişinău took place the funerals of 450 people found dead in the Italian Consulate, in the Mitropolitan Palace, in the Faculty of Teology.
  • in Ismail, in the cellar of the NKVD headquoters on General Vaiatoianu street were found 6 bodies (5 male, one female), with hands tied at their back.
  • in Cetatea Alba, according to a investigation report from November 1941, from the begining of June till 20 July 1941, from the NKVD headquoters in the city were brought 19 bodies and buried in 16 graves. According to the cemetery guardian, the majority did not have cloves, had signs of torture, some where bandaged at the head and the limbs, and had their hands tied. Many more cases of people disapeared from the city were discovered, and it was believed they were deported inside USSR.
  • From spring till June 1943, in Tatarka, in the Romanian occpied Transnistria, a group of specialists from Odessa (Dr. K. Shapochkin, deputy chief of the Medical-Sanitar Direction of the Government of Transnistria, N. I. Grubianu, the admnistrator of the desinfection section, docentI. I. Fidloveski, chief of medecal-legal expertese and Grigore Tatarciuc, gandarm representative of the Odesa pretorial office) have searched a lot of land of 1000 sq meters, were a big number of bodies was found. At first, it was believed these were victims of NKVD repressions from 1938-40, and of deportees from Besarabia and Northern Bukovina, shot by the Soviets because they could no longer transport them. In order to facilitate the putrefaction process, the lot was covered with animal excrements.

A Romanian intelligence report from 1 June 1943, signed by leutenant-colonel Traian Borcescu states that "On the lot called Spolka, situated 7 km from the railline Odessa-Ovidiopol, between the suburb Tatarka [of Odessa] and the airfield, common graves of NKVD victims were found. The works to uncover the bodies have started on 22 April 1943 and were done by the Military Pretorial Service of Odessa. [...] From the declaration of inhabitants in the vicinity of the lot, it follows that the NKVD troops were bringing corpses during the night in a covered track, and were throughing them into the common grave, and immediately covered. It also follows from these declarations that the road parallel to the lot was totally forbidden to circulation, and were severely garded.

"The investigations show that the executions have increased in pace after 1940, once Bessarabia and Bukovina were occupied.

"Ioan Halip, Grigore Tatarcu and Alexandru Ivanov, from Bessarabia and Bukovina, currently living in Odessa, have recognized at the place among the bodies their relatives deported by NKVD after the occupation.

"The Commission to examine the corpses and determining the circumstances in which the victimes died has determined that the victims were generally shot in the back of the head from a very short distance. The age of the executions is estimated at 2-3 years, the cloves were characteristic to those of inhabitants of Bessarabia and Bukovina."

On 6 August 1943, the legal doctor Alexandru Birkle, oneof the members of the commission that studied the remains found at Katyn, presented a "Provisional medico-legal report on the investigations at Tatarka". In his commission also were members C. Chirila, subdirector of Health in the Government of Transnistria, and one representative each from the mayor office of Odessa, from the Gendarms unit of Transnistria and from the University of Odessa. According to the report, 42 common graves were discovered, and signs of 10-20 others. In each grave were found around 80 corpses. A total approximately 3,500 corpses lie in the 42 graves, and the total number is estimated at 5,000. Only 516 corpses were exhumated [so far], and of these 486 were already examined medico-legally with the following conclusions:

• • • cause of death: shot in the upper back part of the scull, in a few cases, in the lower back part of the scull.
    • shots were delivered from military revolvers, caliber 7 mm and 5.5 mm from immediate distance to the target
    • medico-legal researches have demonstrated that the age of the corpses is 3.5-5 years. From the study of several idenity papers found, it follows that some of the victims were from 4.5-5 years (1938)
    • no lavrae of insects were found, showing tha the executions took place in a cold weather, and that the bodies were buried immediately after being shot
    • the process of putrefaction has been slowed also due to a large number of corpses in a single place
    • of the 486 examined corpses, all had hands tied at their back, with the exception of one, which had only the trace of the tied hands
    • of the examined corpses, 7 were women and 479 were men, of which one was in military uniform
    • 43 corpses had identity papers (exerpts of reports from their arrests and searches), which allowed their identification
    • the ones identified were arrested on the territory controlled by USSR (including from 1940 on from Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina)
    • of 486, 385 were buried, 131 not yet
    • age: 20-30 years - 60; 30-40 years - 189; 40-50 years - 186; over 50 years - 81. 7 females and 509 males. 515 civilians and one military (by cloves)

This obviously are only exerpts from one article. I am sorry that I do not have time yet to put them in a proper form.:Dc76 15:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Almost as many people, so many different oppinions there are. People from former Soviet block countries obviously don't have similar views: in many cases these are determined by personal current or historic family circumstances. For example, you will never be able to convince someone whose father was a KGB or STASI officer that the Soviet system was evil: he would rather contradict 100 times the logic. But I do think that the oppinion of WP editors shouldn't be an issue at all here. On the contrary, what matters is what peer reviewed sourses and esteblished information outlets publish. All we can do (and should do) is to organize this information: we can not create information, even if we personally know something, we can only organize the one existing in print.

If you are very interested in the former Soviet system, and wish that your articles not be deleted b/c they do not have the best names, then in my personal oppinion, you should create a sandbox in your user space, and little by little make there a list of all the articles and sections of articles that describe the Soviet/communist system. You will get help from other editors, I am sure. I believe you will discover that there are ca. 50 individual items to be listed, if not more. After that, we (the editors that would be interested to help you) can identify which new articles need to be created, and we can make a nice template, to help the reader navigate through all of these. The subject is too vast to be covered in 1-2 articles, so we need a template to ease, I think.:Dc76 12:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Śoviet universities

"It doesn't seem like there is anything here worth merging which isn't in other articles already" - in which articles? What is your knowledge of the Soviet system? Xx236 11:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Education_in_Russia was the article I had in mind. I have no personal expertise, but that is why Wikipedia depends on citations in articles - so that anyone can evaluate the article. Cheers, Debivort 15:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Soviet universities

That Polish secret police was controlled by STASI is an interesting statement, and if you can find reliable sources, it may be added somewhere. `'Miikka 19:19, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I have removed a provocative statement.Xx236 11:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Template talk:World War II

Ten szablon nie ma obecnie wielkiego sensu. Kiedyś próbowałem go edytować i z jednym z adminów doprowadziliśmy do porządnego stanu. Niestety, późniejsze edycje wprowadziły straszny bałagan i znacznie obniżyły wartość poznawczą całości. Ostatnio pojawiło się jeszcze trochę Rosjan, którzy usiłują wyczyścić konto ZSRR. Tak naprawdę znacznie lepszym rozwiązaniem będzie wprowadzenie porządnej dawki informacji w artykułach o aliantach oraz o państwach Osi. Jeśli będą one poparte wiarygodnymi angielskimi źródłami, to za jakiś czas będzie można pomyśleć o wyprostowaniu tego szablonu. Zresztą jak spojrzysz na moją stronę użytkownika, to w tematach związanych z Polską jest co robić - a to tylko lotnictwo. Pzdr, Piotr Mikołajski 16:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Could you please translate your message, as per WP:TALK? --Ghirla^-трёп- 15:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

It's not my message.Xx236 15:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Red Army

Thanks for your message. My principal problem with your edit was that you introduced a new subsection that was a bullet-point list into the article, completely destroying the flow, when there was already a paragraph further up which you could have added to. Moreover, there were no citations, which I'm sorry to say, are really needed when we start to add info on such controversial subjects. I'll go back and wordsmith the paragraph above so that it reflects the fact that Soviet atrocities occurred elsewhere than in Germany, and please feel free to continue editing that paragraph or to drop notes on my talk page. Cheers Buckshot06 16:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia depends on citations in articles

• Does this rule refers to all articles? There are thousands of articles without any citation. Many of them are labelled as such since ages but not removed.
• My article synthetized plenty of articles and contained links to them, where you were able to find sources.
• I personally believe that editing is more constructive than removing.
• You seem to be not aware - there is a group of people who remove informations about drawbacks of Soviet system. Some of them were involved in this removal. They call me anti-Russian. Is Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn anti-Russian?Xx236 15:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I have started to check your articles - Spatiotemporal gene expression, 0 inline quotations, Mount Wilson - 0. Do you agree that I remove them?Xx236 16:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for checking my articles. Yeah, if you want to go ahead and nominate two of my earliest articles for deletion, feel free. Alternatively, you could help improve them. Is your interest in me and my articles based only on my one vote in a AfD discussion? If so, you should probably lighten up. As for your specific points:

1) Yes the citation rule applies to all articles. Lacking citations is not a sufficient condition for removal however, I'm not sure where you got that idea.

2) The language "synthetized plenty of articles" is itself worrisome because synthesis of primary sources is considered original research.

3) I agree that editing is more constructive than removing. However in some cases, merging an article or deleting a redundant article is appropriate. So if you also want to waste time looking for articles that are redundant to Spatiotemporal gene expression and Wilson Peak into which they should be merged, again feel free. By the way, I had little to do with the Mount Wilson article. I assume you intended to refer to Wilson Peak.

4) I am not aware of some anti-anti-Soviet group? Huh? Anti-Russian? What on earth are you talking about? I don't know who Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn is. Maybe you have me confused with someone else. Debivort 20:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Holocaust survivors

and other heroic figures may deserve WP pages, but it is really necessary to demonstrate that by more than a single sentence. It's needed to show why they in particular are notable. In particular, there has to be a real cited 3rd party published source that talks about their deeds in a substantial way. Some of the articles you've written on them are not likely to remain unless you upgrade them. If there's not enough material to do so, it is probably better not to write the article, but to concentrate on people for whom you can find material. Just my advice. DGG (talk) 17:09, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Copernicus

Hi, have you seen this [8] ? ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 09:26, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Huta Pieniacka massacre

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User Aagripa

In response to your question, no I can't stop him or her. What I can do is monitor his or her behaviour, warn him or her about their actions (if inappropriate in the context of Wikipedia) and, if necessary, report him or her to WP:AIV and ask for an administrator to take the appropriate action to warn and / or block him / her. Hope that helps. Giles Bennett ^{(Talk, Contribs)} 20:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Question

I recall you posting a link to fragment of Babel's diary regarding Bolshevik troops actions. Can you recall it ? I would like to read it.--Molobo 00:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Copernicus

¿Why does Copernicus was not a Polish and Dürer and Beethoven were Germans? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nationalism Patrol (talk • contribs) 13:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

You are such a quarrelsome nutcase

Why dont u just stop editing WP and let there be some peace!!! Haha Who am I?? Guess lemme see ;-)...

See the gem in preparation

[9] The parts about "Allied ethnic cleansing" and "little girl and Polish slave camp" are quite nice don't you think ? --Molobo 01:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Alfred de Zayas

Hello, I would like to inform you, that on German WP we have a hot dispute about him ([10]). Regards --KarlV 07:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Your knowledge about German crimes and atrocities is needed

I would welcome your contribution to article about Germans kidnapping Polish children which i partially translated and partially expanded from Polish wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Polish_children_by_Germany --Molobo 22:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Interest

Hi, I think you might be interested in this [11]. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 10:13, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I saw it there, he is trying to wipe out entire polish and czech history [12], [13]. I have troubles with him all the time. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 12:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Polish Barnstar of National Merit, 2nd Class
		I, Tymek (talk), am awarding you this Barnstar, in appreciation of you work on Poland-related topics

What do you think about this quote about Drezno

From a person that would be declared a subhuman by Nazi Germany and thus representing non-English world and debate

telegraf wzywał naszą stację. — Bahnhofsperre Dresden, Pirna, Bautzen... Pan zawiadowca wyszedł na stację i w kierunku, skąd nieustannie rozlegało się dudnienie i gdzie horyzont stał w ogniu, krzyknął: — Nie trzeba było zaczynać wojny z całym światem! {...}Teraz jednak, kie-dy tu przyjechali ci ludzie z Drezna, nie mogłem już litować się nad nimi, tylko oni mogli się nad sobą litować. I ci Niemcy to wiedzieli(...) Kierownik pociągu podniósł się i powiedział do Niemców: — Sollten sie am Arsch zu Hause sitzen! - I think some of the quotes should be incorporated into the article. What do you think ?--Molobo (talk) 00:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Naliboki massacre

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Tadeusz Bobrowski

Thank you for the advice, but how do I edit this topic when it has no page and all I get connected to is his nephew, Joseph Conrad? Nihil novi (talk) 20:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Constitution of Belarus

Thanks for taking an interest in Constitution of Belarus. Although a number of improvements have been made, I'm still concerned about the pro-government sourcing and tone of certain parts of the article. If you could add some sources that balance things out, that would be great. Regards, ProhibitOnions ^(T) 11:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Bloody Sunday (1939)

You may be interested in the recent rewriting of this article and discussions on talk.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:59, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Communist propaganda

Dear colleague,

When adding wikilinks to John Connelly (historian) I ran across your page User:Xx236/Soviet university. I added Connelly as a reference to the article Communist propaganda. And I see that your page fits extremely well into the section Communist propaganda#Education.

Can you please rework it so that it fit the context of "Communist propaganda" article and supply it very well with references, because most probably the article will be under aggressive scrutiny, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Communist propaganda.

Thank you, Mukadderat (talk) 02:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you could comment here. Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:52, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Jan Gross's Fear

I put in the section about the differences between the English and Polish versions of the book as per your suggestion.Elan26 (talk) 02:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)Elan26

A useful resource

Needs to be included in many articles.

[14] --Molobo (talk) 13:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Saarland was not a part of Germany either, that's why they both lie outside of the black line. Space Cadet (talk) 12:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Incivility and personal attacks

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks and civility policies. Comment on content, not on contributors. Please refrain from any further personal attacks on other editors, such as this uncivil comment. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 15:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for helping out with the 1939 in Poland article, I will be adding more information to it in the near future, feel free to expand it further. Tymek (talk) 18:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Tagging

Rather than doing drive by tagging, it is more cooperative if you identify a specific problem, show where the problem is, and suggest an improvement. Or better yet, you can even fix it yourself. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 13:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Massacres of Poles

To bylo calkowicie niezamierzone, czasami probuje pisac cos kiedy moje dzieci nie spia, ale to sie nie da, bo moje chlopaki doslownie wchodza mi na glowe i oto rezultat. Jedyna rada - poczekac az usna. Tymek (talk) 18:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Mediation

On that note, my comment at Talk:History of the Jews in Poland was intended to be firmly tongue in cheek, and not to be taken as a serious criticism - sorry for the confusion. That said, mediation would be much more thorough than any evaluation of the situation I could offer, so I'd point you in that direction. Best to you, UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 11:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Re

I responded on the PL notice board. Skäpperöd (talk) 15:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Misquoting

You purposely took my words out of context to give the transparently false impression that I made a bigoted statement. That was really lame, and makes you look pretty foolish. Boodlesthecat ^Meow? 15:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Your message

I would reply, but (a) I am terribly busy these days, (b) I don't really understand what you would like me to do, (c) I don't particularly care... gotta run... Renata (talk) 00:38, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I still don't understand what you want me to do... Renata (talk) 11:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Info

Your behavior is scrutinized here. M.K. (talk) 14:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:Leon Liebgold

Sorry about that, I thought he might be a rabbi. I've now removed the stub and category. Kathleen.wright5 13:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Gleaning

You've added in it article story what such practice exist in Russia and after in USSR - could you give me a link on source which found Gleaning in USSR&Russia. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 07:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

may be you miss a point I ask you about existance of Gleaning in USSR.

While if you are incude a Law of Spikelets could you please specify werew in Law of Spikelets mentioned Gleaning .

Please provide a WP:RS (if any) - link you've added from Computer History Bulletin - deffinetely not a RS. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 14:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

• I hope you plan to remove unreferenced information incidentally included in WP. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 18:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

See my comment at Gleaning talk. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 18:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

• So -any attempt to find a RS for Gleaning at USSR? Can I assume what you agreed with removal of unreferenced claimsJo0doe (talk) 10:19, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with your opinion

The Polish Corridor was just a German propaganda term, it should be described in full as that, while the actual Pomorze wojewodztwo should be in seperate article. In the meantime I will see how I can improve the current very biased article.--Molobo (talk) 21:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Useful information discovered.

[15] --Molobo (talk) 02:52, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Very old copyright problem, thanks :)

Thanks for finding and listing that old tag. :) (The tag is meant for articlespace, and DumbBot does not paste it on WP:CP if it's put in talkspace.) I can't find verification of copyvio, but I've left a note at the article's talk inviting relisting if evidence is located. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Mancini family

I answered you in the talk page. Cheers. --Larth_Rasnal (talk) 10:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry

Having read the discussions in more detail now, I may have made a mistake in undoing that edit. I don't really know the issue well enough. Apologies. Cheers Buckshot06(prof) 13:16, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Victim of expulsions

[16] --Molobo (talk) 18:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Personal attacks

I consider it a personal attack if you call me nationalistic, a vandal, a POV-pusher and the like, as you have done several times now. I have ignored your personal attacks in the past, but as you mistook my calm for a free ticket to add more, I will not do so in the future. Please carefully read WP:NPA. Thank you. Skäpperöd (talk) 09:02, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

AE

Since you are not willing to engage in constructive discussion and repeated your attacks despite my above plea, I chose to discuss your behaviour at WP:Arbitration_enforcement#Xx236 and ask for an outside warning or remedy. Skäpperöd (talk) 15:40, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Notice of editing restrictions

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I hope you take this to heart. We have asked you for a long time to be more clear, more specific, more constructive, and overall, to edit more and complain less. Please take this as a friendly advice. Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:45, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Poland

You may want to officially join the project by signing up on our membership page here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Expulsion articles

You are in your rights to announce problems at WP:PWNB, although you should also try other venues, from reaching to moderate German editors at the German equivalent of our project to WP:RFC to reach the neutral editors. You should however do it in a civil and constructive way, that means: 1) follow WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL and don't accuse your opponents of lying or such, this will only escalate matters (see my essay on this here) and lead to you getting banned. 2) We all have limited time. If you want others to help you, make it easy for them: describe the problem in the section asking for help, and give as many links as possible so those who want to help don't have to spend their time looking for when and where. Unfortunately, many of your requests for help or comments on talk look unhelpful, and that creates a bad impression of you. If you think that Skäpperöd is being unhelpful, consider filling a user conduct RfC against him. If the source was discredited at RSN, it should be removed from the articles, if he reverts back you can clearly ask for help per WP:V and WP:RS. Unfortunately, I am not following the Polish-German issues that deeply, due to lack of time, so I see only parts of what's going on - and unfortunately, they are not simply white and black. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Just a friendly word

Although I don't agree with you on some points, I think you are doing a good job on Wiki, pointing out problems and neutrality issues on articles. It takes strenght to endure the endless onslaught of various POV-pusing, or personal attacks. i believe Piotrus would like it better if you would actually wrote more articles, but In my view your attempts to point out problems at articles to others are also valuable.--Molobo (talk) 14:39, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Inscriptions

Hello.

• it cannot be from latter period (after war Germans were expelled)
• it cannot be from earlier period (the store lies in a location which was before 1918 lying de facto outside the town)

--Darwinek (talk) 07:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Theoretically yes but it is highly unlikely when you think of ethnic composition of the town before and after 1918. German ethnic group was numerous and very strong, economically and politically as well. - Darwinek (talk) 18:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Your behaviour

You use the page Talk:Expulsion of Germans after World War II as a blog to air your personal grievances against me and several sources, without saying anything constructive. You don't point to any specific problems and make a case with these, but only make cryptic, general and defamatory comments. Please don't continue that. Skäpperöd (talk) 12:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Skapperod he pointed his concerns very clearly and you simply ignored them. Loosmark (talk) 13:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Arbitration Enforcement

You are subject to a request for sanction at WP:AE#Xx236. Skäpperöd (talk) 15:25, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Topic ban

Xx236, for the reasons given at WP:AE, under the authority of WP:DIGWUREN#Discretionary sanctions, you are topic-banned from the subject (not only the article) of Expulsion of Germans after World War II for six months; that is, you are prohibited from making edits related to that subject on any page in any namespace.  Sandstein  13:44, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

AE thread

You are subject to a request for arbitration enforcement here: [17]. Skäpperöd (talk) 14:35, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

September 2009

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for violating the topic ban imposed above with your edit at [18], as explained on WP:AE here. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first.  Sandstein  21:46, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

{{unblock|I'm not allowed to discuss articles about Expulsion of Germans after World War II. I have written about expulsions in Soviet Union.}}

• Not currently blocked. PhilKnight (talk) 13:24, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Jewish Polish history during the 20th century

(You wrote)
You have probably removed my phrase about 1939 participation of Jews in war preparations, closing the paragraph with biased "Escalating hostility towards Polish Jews and the official government support for Jewish Palestine led by Ze'ev Jabotinsky continued right up until the Nazi invasion of Poland". I hope it's an error.Xx236 (talk) 15:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

• Please look again. I did not remove anything of value from the article. Just the opposite is true. However, I also left behind a lot of biased info, because I did not want to trigger an edit war in the process... and it worked. You line about preparing anti-tank fortifications (with reference) was moved down a bit. I became an oppening line of the 'September campaign' section. Cheers. —Poeticbent talk 03:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorbian

I saw your post on a deleted wikiproject idea for West Slavic WikiProject. Yours was regarding Sorbian interests, where do such Wikipedians go to? I am interested in collaborating regarding Sorbian related entries/towns/etc.Kargin (talk) 09:36, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Venezuela

I, I have seen what you have done to edit on Cuba. Maybe you could help with Venezuela, the main Cuba friend. And I really need some help. Look especially at Human rights in Venezuela, Eligio Cedeno and Maria Lourdes Afiuni. Voui (talk) 13:32, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

History of the Jews in 20th-century Poland

Please add whatever information you think is appropriate. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 18:16, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Polish politicians

Did you even bother to check each politician in a google search before your grossly generalized comment that none of them were notable? You appear to be confused that just because as yet a lo tof them haven't articles that they are somehow non notable. The list is derived from here. You rather foolishly dismissed people like this as being non notable when there ar eplenty of sources to make them adquate articles. Its not my fault the coverage of Polish politicians is very poor. Most of them are notable and if you bothered to do a google search would show up reliable sources to make them worthy. These articles need starting and the list is the perfect way to work towards that. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:04, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

How? By listing politicians in the party on a page? Lists are perfectly acceptable. And I'd also wager that the vast majority could have decent articles on each of them and eventually will. We are a working progress and it is more beneficial for the encyclopedia to have articles about them than not. I think you are confusing lack of article content with lack of notability. You should know we are missing hundreds of thousands of notable articles from all of the foreign wikis. Rather than going all deletionist, it would be better if you helped translate articles like this and tried to reduce some of the red links.. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:10, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Can you honestly straightly say that this guy isn't notable?. You are very wrong. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:13, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Polite? You place an unwarranted deletion tag and spam my talk page with a generic deletion wanring and you expect politeness? Do something constructive. Use your Polish knowledge to help transwiki articles instead would be more productive and then you might see some love and hugs from me. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:15, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Interesting Assessment

Xx236, I find your comment here [19] quite interesting ..."English language books accept quote mainly German nationalistic sources, because only such sources were available till about 1995." I'm curious if you think your opinion concerning that matter is similar to that of English sources using Polish texts concerning Lithuania? As in "English language books use many quotes from Polish nationalistic sources, because only such sources were available until recently." Forgive my rewriting of your original interpretation as I thought it could be better formulated grammatically. I do think however, the question should be clear enough for you to give it an answer. Thanks. Dr. Dan (talk) 00:55, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Steinbachs Nrs.

Erika Steinbach is in another numbers dispute, the German news agency de:Deutscher Depeschendienst says the BdV has 550,000 members and Steinbach claims 2 million. [20]--Woogie10w (talk) 13:52, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Now you have a reliable source that supports your position. --Woogie10w (talk) 09:40, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Please add references!

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Wysiedlenie i emigracja ludności niemieckiej

Czec ,I was at the New York Public Library yesterday and I saw this book. It seems to be a scholarly source that is reliable.

• Stanisław Jankowiak, Wysiedlenie i emigracja ludności niemieckiej w polityce władz polskich w latach 1945-1970, , Instytut Pamięci Narodowej, Warszawa 2005, ISBN 83-89078-80-5

I read only basic Polish (about 1,000 words) and have studied Polish grammar at NY University. However, since you can read Polish you could use this book to help improve the articles on the Expulsions.

If any disputes arise I can see the book myself and verify any disputed items

--Woogie10w (talk) 11:52, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Contact the IPN or check in your local library, it should be available in Poland on the internet bookstores. I have used ARS[21] for Polish books--Woogie10w (talk) 12:35, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

BTW I cannot understand your reasoning, the POV of the Polish side has always been that most of the expulsion deaths were the result of the war not due to the post-war policy of Poland. It was the 1958 German government report that listed all deaths as being after the war and this has been disputed ever since in Poland. In the English speaking world the West German POV was treated as being correct; that 2.2 million deaths occured after the war. The Polish POV that most deaths occured during the war was disregarded as commuinist propaganda.--Woogie10w (talk) 13:30, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Your comments on my talk page are correct, most of the German deaths occured as a result of the war not the expulsions. Many Poles helped the Germans during those difficult times, it was only a small minority who engaged in criminal activity. Both Poles and Germans were oppressed by and hated the communists. Before the war there was a large bi-lingual Polish/German minority on both sides of the border, people were good neighbors, but the war has divided both peoples forever.--Woogie10w (talk) 16:09, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

You wrote The majority of "Germans" (the numbers include Slavs, mostly Upper Silesians) died during the war, the majority of post-war victims died in Soviet camps and prisons. It's not a POV but facts I agree but to post to Wikipedia we need a reliable source that can be verified that agrees with your comments. --Woogie10w (talk) 18:07, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

You wrote- According to German data 1974/1989 60 000 died in "Polish" camps and a minority from 120 000 was killed by Poles (the majority killed by Red Army soldiers) The 1974/1989 data are available and quoted in the article. What is the problem?

Please read the article

• I changed the lede to read 2 million and removed the figure of 3.2 million.

• The article clearly states that the figure of 500,000 is due to direct violent acts and the higher figure an estimate of 2 million includes death due war related famine and disese.

• The recent updates made to the Demographics article pointed out that the 400,000 deaths in Poland were due to violent acts were committed by Soviet controlled forces, not the Polish people.( 100,000 in camps, 100,000 by Red Army & their Allies and 200,000 in Soviet Forced Labor)

There is no problem, just assume good faith and use reliable sources like the IPN and you are fine.--Woogie10w (talk) 15:10, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

BTW, if there are any disputes I can always verify citations from Wysiedlenie i emigracja ludności niemieckiej , my Polish is fair enough to do the job--Woogie10w (talk) 15:18, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Some Friendly Advice

Wikipedia a few years ago was different. Now there are a lot of rules, its like being at work. When I edit I try to keep my POV of the talk pages, I never mention my personel opinions. Blogging is a waste of time on Wikipedia, only reliable sources that can be verified count, so I always back up my arguments with reliable sources that can be verified.

Czec--Woogie10w (talk) 15:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

News from Poland

I was sorry to hear on the BBC that south Poland has been hit by bad flooding, I hope you and your family are fine. --Woogie10w (talk) 22:07, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Germany-Poland

What you say is true, relations were good until 1939 when Hilter attempted to partition Poland again and use it as a base for an attack on the USSR

The fact that there were so many bi-lingual people indicates that ordinary people were living together and good neighbors. --Woogie10w (talk) 10:37, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

You could make an important contribution to Wikipedia if you could find a scholarly source in Polish that deals with the fate of the bi-lingual’s in Poland

Here is what I know

• The 1931 Polish census gives a figure of 741,000 ethnic Germans
• The German 1958 report gives a 1939 figure of 1,371.000 ethnic Germans(including 432,000 bi-lingual’s) in Poland
• The German Volksliste of 1944 figures for Volksdeutsch in the annexed territories (not including the Government General) included 1.0 million Cat 1 an Cat 2 who spoke German and another 1.7 million Cat 3 and 4 who had German ancestry.
• The German 1958 report gives a figure of 108,000 dead in the Whermacht (including 30,000 bi-lingual’s)
• The Polish Census of Feb 1946 figures for the prewar territory and Gdansk give figures of 212,343 Germans and another 222,971 undergoing verification. Not including POWs in the USSR who were later turned over to Poland.
• Figures in a 1954 US Census Bureau report indicate that 92,000 Germans had already been verified by Feb 1946 as Poles(including 30,000 in Gdansk)
• The German 1958 report gives an Expellee figure of 672,000 ethnic Germans from prewar Poland and 283,800 from Danzig.
• The German 1958 report gives a 1950 figure of 431,000 Germans in prewar Poland(including 361,000 bi-linguals)

What was the fate of these people after the war? People like Donald Tusk’s father. How did the Polish authorities treat them?--Woogie10w (talk) 11:57, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

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Apaochi

Witaj! Ten artykuł zupełnie niepotrzebnie dubluje Emperor Taizu of Liao, ale nie mam pojęcia jakie procedury obowiązują na angielskiej wiki i jak go skierować do skasowania, ewentualnie integracji. Jakbyś coś z tym zrobił to byłbym wdzięczny. Pozdrawiam.--Krzychu (talk) 20:28, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Xx236. You have new messages at Courcelles's talk page.
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Jerzy Robert Nowak

Greetings! I would like to ask You for helt with editing the art on Jerzy Robert Nowak since it clearly differ from polish version. In current version, Nowak is painted as activist and antisemitic, it does not tell that he is professor with certain point of view. In such way the art discredit his knowledge and its hard to use him as source. I know that he might be controversial but so if prof. Gross. If Gross is considered as a source then I believe Nowak should be that to. Thank You for Your attention, best regards Camdan 16:46, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank You for Your opinion. The problem i see is that the article on JRN is not doing any good. Its used as a source by swedish on their part of Wiki to discredit polish people as antisemitic mass that have been killing jews in centuries, basically the opinion is that they have been doing as their favorite occupation. To underline that the articles, those can be created 100% on Gross opinion. Then they say that JRN is not any authority but just a activist - Gross is the authority. They dont know about the subject so they rely on english Wikipedia - they say, look at english Wiki.

This is why i wished someone to help me with the article. If I do that, they will tell me that its another attempt to hide the truth about these cruel polish that have been hunting poor jewish. I do of course recognize that there have been incidents but its clearly unfair to paint polish as the nation as mass murderers. The problem we face in Sweden that most of jews that left Poland 1968 left Poland for Sweden and they are allowed to freely discredit polish as Boniers own some 80% of all media in Sweden. And that's the truth. But they dont own Wikipedia and i hope that here we can write more balanced articles. SO, I need help to improve the article on JRN to mach and lvl Gross. Best regards, Camdan 06:55, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I have all the figures regarding the pogrom in Kielce and know pretty well what happened there. I rewrote art in swedish Wiki, will do a check on polish. A new book about polish antisemitism You say....its hard for polish to defend themselves since they dont have same influence in media as jewish are internationally. I think that its all about making money on the subject. Otherwise i dont see the ground, I mean Poland of today is one of those countries in Europe that support Israel most and have excellent diplomatic contacts. Zegota was association that saved some 50.000 jewish during WWII, that must have involved some 200.000 people to help them and the penalty for helping jewish is execution of all the family and people living in same house. I surprised that polish are starting to be antisemitic and are fed up with all the lies. But You might be able to help me with art in english version, I can supply You with relevant and objective information. Thnx for communicating with me on the subject! Camdan 11:16, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Jan T. Gross

WP:BLP applies to Talk pages and edit summaries as well as articles. Consequently I deleted the section of Talk:Jan T. Gross where you made unfounded accusations and insults. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 04:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

You're right. I'm sorry for being impolite in my edit summary. I will try to be more thoughtful in the future. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 17:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Italy–Poland relations

Hi Xx236, thanks for your contributions in the article. Please use the "preview" option more often to avoid saving the page for each little change. --Dans (talk) 18:51, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Overmans

I have the Overmans 1994 article, what details do you need? Regards --Woogie10w (talk) 11:04, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Also BTW the German Schieder commission report makes the point that the excesses of the expulsions are understandable but not excusable in light of Nazi crimes. They also make the point a number of times that the Sovietss and the Polish communist authorities were the perpetrators not the Polish people. They mention that Polish people often joined the Germans in the flight from the Red Aarmy. Schieder notes that after the war many Poles helped the Germans because they were also oppressed by and hated the communists. Schieder does not have an anti-Polish POV--Woogie10w (talk) 11:23, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

R J Rummel

I would not give undue weight to the figures of R. J. Rummel. His 1998 estimates are not worth the paper they are printed on. Rummel is not accepted as being reliable by most other editors here on Wikipedia. Rummel is influential only because his figures are posted on the internet for free. Just because it is on the internet some people believe his wild claims. That is scary.--Woogie10w (talk) 14:27, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Polish horse-breeding establishments

Hi Xx236, I saw your edit at stud farm for Michalow and was wondering if you could help me out a bit more in locating some of the Polish horse-breeding state studs geographically. At the article Sheila_Varian#The_Varian_horses I have been unable to determine which of the many places named "Nowy Dwór" was the location of the Polish state stud that was active in breeding Arabian horses in the 50s and 60s but is now shut down and no longer appears to exist. Can you shed any light on this question? Thanks. Montanabw^(talk) 21:21, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi again Xx, I am just getting around to this, and thanks for the links you provided. For my purposes (a simple piped link) if I want to be as close as possible to the old stud farm location, should I link to Wieprz, Silesian Voivodeship or to Gmina Radziechowy-Wieprz? (village, region, etc...?) Unfortunately, the article you linked that is in Polish isn't something I can read, but if it mentions the stud farm specifically, let me now and thenThanks I suppose I can run it through Google language and see if I can pick up the general gist of it. Thanks for any additional help! Montanabw^(talk) 05:35, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Die Vertreibung im deutschen Erinnern

The NY Public Library does not have this book yet, It is new(published in 2010). The book is expensive and over 800 pages. I just read this interview with the author [22]. He seems me to be a critical observer who understands not only the history but also the current debates in Germany. He points out that not all BvD members are neo-Nazis and that there is still some valuable information in the Schieder reports even though they are from the cold war era. However he wants to move ahead and develop a modern understanding of the history of these events. He wants to move toward reconciliation not the confrontational politics of Steinbach and the BvD. --Woogie10w (talk) 13:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Disinformation in Germany

German politicians need to become familiar with their official sources regarding the expulsions. They misinform the German public. IMO they look like fools who don’t know what they are talking about.

An official BvD statement by Erika Steinbach claims that the 1974 German Archives report does not include victims of deportation and forced labor. [23]. This is not true. The 1974 Archives report does in fact include victims of deportation and forced labor. One must assume that Erika Steinbach never bothered to read the Archives report.

Christoph Bergner claims that Schieder was responsible for the figures regarding expulsion deaths. [24] This is not true. The figures were prepared by the Statistisches Bundesamt in 1958. Schieder’s name does not appear on the 1958 report. One must assume that Bergner never even bothered to even open the 1958 the Statistisches Bundesamt report to see who prepared the figures.

--Woogie10w (talk) 16:33, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Tłusty czwartek

Happy Tłusty czwartek. We enjoyed some Polskie pączki here in Little Poland, Brooklyn--Woogie10w (talk) 21:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

July 1776

Thank you for the links, there is plenty to keep me busy.

BTW my family has no direct connection with the Expulsions. In fact I found out about them when I first went to Germany as a tourist in 1969, I came home and told my father who was surprised to hear about the fate of his father’s hometown Christburg. His father arrived in the US in Oct. 1886 at the age of 11, his mother arrived here in Nov. 1893 at the age of 6. She was from Płock in the then Russian Empire. Every one of my mother’s ancestors were in the United States in 1776, in fact I have ancestors who lived in Berks County, Pennsylvania near the ancestors of Dwight D. Eisenhower. A German translation of the United States Declaration of Independence was published in Philadelphia by July 9, 1776 for the local German-Americans to read. I have ancestors who were in the US forces during the War of Independence, the US Civil war. My father was proud to serve with the US forces in Europe from 1944-1945. Please, never forget that I am an American.--Woogie10w (talk) 10:40, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

The material you posted looks interesting and it will take me time to review. Since the material is bi-lingual it will give the German and Polish editors a common source to work with. This website proves my point that most Germans are open minded people who reject the ultra-right POV. Unfortunately on English Wikipedia the utra-right POV (ie. Nawratil-Pawelka-DeZayas) seems to get pushed instead of a move toward cooperation between both sides. Lets see if we can use this webpage to improve the article.--Woogie10w (talk) 13:28, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Move??

You have not given your opinion here Talk:Expulsion of Germans after World War II#Requested move--Woogie10w (talk) 17:43, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

March 2011

Your recent edit might be considered a Personal attack. Calling other editors "German extremists" isn't helpful and violates basic principles of our Good Faith Policy. Please read the etiquette guidelines to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. HerkusMonte (talk) 17:43, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Monitor. WikiProject Poland Newsletter: Issue 1 (April 2011)

WikiProject Poland Newsletter • April 2011 For our freedom and yours Welcome to our first issue of WikiProject Poland newsletter, the Monitor (named after the first Polish newspaper). Our Project has been operational since 1 June, 2005, and also serves as the Poland-related Wikipedia notice board. I highly recommend watchlisting the Wikipedia:WikiProject Poland page, so you can be aware of the ongoing discussions. We hope you will join us in them, if you haven't done so already! Unlike many other WikiProjects, we are quite active; in this year alone about 40 threads have been started on our discussion page, and we do a pretty good job at answering all issues raised. In addition to a lively encyclopedic, Poland-related, English-language discussion forum, we have numerous useful tools that can be of use to you - and that you could help us maintain and develop: we have an active assessment department. As of now, our project has tagged almost 80,000 pages as Poland-related, out of which 1,500 still need a quality assessment, and 20,000, importance assessment. we have also begun B-class quality reviews on our talk page, and if our activity increases, hopefully we will be able to institute our own A-class quality reviews. As of now, we have about 500 C-class articles in need of a B-class review. If you'd like to help with them, instructions for doing B-class reviews are to be found in point 10 of our assessment FAQ. once an article is assessed it will appear in our article alerts and news feed, which provides information on which Poland-related articles are considered for deletion, move, or are undergoing a Good or Featured review. Watchlisting that feed, in addition to watchlisting our project's main page, is a good way to make sure you stay up to date on most Poland-related discussions. you can also see detailed deletion discussions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Poland (which is another good place to watchlist!) also, those articles will be included in our cleanup listing, which allows us to see which top-importance articles are in need for attention, and so on newly created Poland-related articles are listed here. They need to be reviewed, often cleaned-up, and its creators may need to be welcomed and invited to our project we are maintaining a Portal:Poland automated Wikipedia:WikiProject Poland/Popular pages lists the most popular Poland-related pages from the previous month(s) This is not all; on our page you can find a list of useful templates (including userboxes), awards and other tools! With all that said, how about you join our discussions at WT:POLAND? Surely, there must be something you could help others with, or perhaps you are in need of assistance yourself? You have received this newsletter because you are listed as a [member link] at WikiProject Poland. • Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:11, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

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Interesting

I found your post interesting-Demographic History of Alsace-Lorraine

Religious Minorities : Anabaptists

From 1681 in the French-controlled regions subject to persecution; from the 1690es emigration to the Dutch Republic or Pennsylvania

These German Anabaptists were my moms ancestors--Woogie10w (talk) 12:48, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Kossert

Thanks for pointing out the figure of 300,000 civilian dead in East Prussia.

I have requested the Kossert book at the library, we need to verify this posting on Wikipedia. --Woogie10w (talk) 17:47, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

That figure of 300,000 is for both war and expulsions, it is a component of Bonn's 2.2 million disputed POV figure that is still quoted by historians. So the moral of all this, just because a number is in print, does not make it correct--Woogie10w (talk) 01:41, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Czechoslovakia

Thanks for mentioning the Expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia, I tried to clean up some of the POV there

Here is a nice You Tube clip from 1940 Bohemia-Moravia cs:Inka Zemánková Dívka k rytmu zrozená [25] --Woogie10w (talk) 15:16, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

WP Poland in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Poland for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 08:31, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I see a problem. People: please sign your posts there, and do not remove posts by others. Thank you. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 18:32, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Glantz on the Soviet German War

Hi This clip on You Tube of David Glantz is informative, you may not have the time to watch it now. But when you do have the time I urge you to watch it. Glantz is a professional military historian who has a thourgh understanding of the Soviet sources on the war.

The Soviet-German War, 1941-1945: Myths and Realities [26]

--Woogie10w (talk) 12:17, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Do końca czerwca 2009 r. lista ta obejmuje zweryfikowane informacje o 1,5 mln osób

POLSKA 1939-1945 STRATY OSOBOWE I OFIARY REPRESJI POD DWIEMA OKUPACJAMI- Do końca czerwca 2009 r. lista ta obejmuje zweryfikowane informacje o 1,5 mln osób [27] --Woogie10w (talk) 11:26, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Please help me, how can it be that Poland lost 6 million in the war and only 1.5 are confirmed? How can it be that Germany lost 2 million in the expulsions and only 500,000 are confirmed?--Woogie10w (talk) 14:45, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Re: Poland

If you look at the changes I had made to the Poland page, then you would have noticed that I did NOT add one language to the page. I just made it so that the languages that were already there could be visible, as the wrong parameters were being used. -- (Jrooksjr | ^C | _T) 13:37, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Your history link just proves my point! It show that I moved the Polish, German, Belarusian, Lithuanian, Kashubian languages from the wrongly used parameter called official languages = into the languages2 = parameters! The languages were already existing. -- (Jrooksjr | ^C | _T) 14:10, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I made two links to the Kashubian language page with the last one mislabeled at Sorbian. If you look at Languages of Poland it clearly stats that "Sorbian" is a regional language, even though that was not my original intention on the Poland page. The page has now been updated and now had another language in it's page that is NOT listed on the Languages of Poland page. -- (Jrooksjr | ^C | _T) 15:14, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Wysiedlenia, wypędzenia i ucieczki 1939-1959 : atlas ziem Polski : Polacy, Żydzi, Niemcy, Ukraińcy

I have made the point quite clear that Erika Steinbach is not a reliable source to use on Wikipedia. She has provoked outrage in Poland because of her POV. From a German POV she is regarded as acceptable to many people but not all , there are those like Ingo Haar and Hans and Eva Hahn who do not share her POV. Here in the US the expulsion of the Germans is considered taboo by many persons, the topic is dominated in by de Zayas an articulate trial lawyer and Rudi Rummel who has become well known on the internet with his webpage that is based on statistics published in English during the cold war. Polish sources are hardly mentioned here in the US, you could make a positive contribution on Wikipedia by using a reliable source like:

Sienkiewicz, Witold Hryciuk, Grzegorz; Wysiedlenia, wypędzenia i ucieczki 1939-1959 : atlas ziem Polski : Polacy, Żydzi, Niemcy, Ukraińcy Warszawa : Demart, 2008.

--Woogie10w (talk) 12:48, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

We need to have a NPOV and use reliable sources here on Wikipedia. For people who can read only English de Zayas and Rudi Rummel are the sources that are available. de Zayas and Rudi Rummel are tertiary sources, they use the secondary sources published by the West German government during the cold war. These West German sources are considered as reliable by those who are not aware of the recent analysis of Bernadetta Nitschke, Overmans, Ingo Haar and the Hahn's which is in German. This recent analysis should be presented here on Wikipedia with reliable sources so that readers can understand the topic from a NPOV. It makes no sense to me to engage in arguments that involve accusations and ethnic warfare. We should inform readers that German sources in the cold were written by former Nazis and that Nazi Germany murdered millions and deported millions of others. It is also necessary to inform readers that the current POV of the German government is that these losses were due to an aggressive war started by the German nation. Civilian losses in the expulsions from Eastern Europe are viewed as an enormous human tragedy in Germany, the German government currently places the ultimate blame for the mass flight and expulsion on the wartime policy of the Nazis in Eastern Europe German President Horst Köhler, Speech on September 2, 2006 [28] --Woogie10w (talk) 14:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

The Kennedys (TV miniseries)

The Kennedys (TV miniseries)- BTW English is my native language. In fact my great-great-great grandfather served with the 13th Virginia Regiment during the American Revolutionary War. He was awarded 100 acres of land that was confiscated from british supporters, American courts refused to pay them compensation. British supporters were expelled to Canada or the UK. In New York City there is a memorial Prison Ship Martyrs' Monument to commerate the US prisoners who died in British captivity.--Woogie10w (talk) 10:45, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Cute Papooga on You Tube [29] --Woogie10w (talk) 10:56, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

4. Use an Apostrophe with -s When Two or More Nouns Possess the Same Thing

I found this[30]

When two or more nouns possess the same thing, add an apostrophe plus -s to the last noun listed:

Ben and Jerry's Cherry Garcia Ice Cream

Emma and Nicole's school project (Emma and Nicole worked together on the same project)

When two or more nouns separately possess something, add an apostrophe to each noun listed:

Tim's and Marty's ice cream (Each boy has his own ice cream.)

Emma's and Nicole's school projects (Each girl has her own project.)--Woogie10w (talk) 15:54, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

War Children

I dont have a clue about War Children, it may be a good topic to research. Germans told me that they sent their children to the Polish farms to learn Polish from the Polish children. The Germans and Poles worked together to bring in the harvest in Prussia. I just purchased this nice hat on E bay [31] --Woogie10w (talk) 11:21, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

No, before the war they worked together in peace. During the war they signed the Volksliste and joined the German evacuation and flight from the Red Army in 1945--Woogie10w (talk) 12:18, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

The Other Guy

You answered User:Imersion on my talk page. Maybe he/she wants to discuss the matter with you. Don't be shy, contact User:Imersion on his/her talk page. Or else you can come to New York and have an extended discussion with the local Danube Swabians at Gottscheer Hall [32] --Woogie10w (talk) 12:00, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi I have been very busy attending to family matters, I will answer you soon. My father was a American soldier in WW2 combat against the Germans, he said they would fake surrender, plant mines and booby trapsin civilian areas. He said that some civilians were Nazis who would shoot Americans in the back. He said the Germans infected French prostitutes with VD in order to disable Americans. He personaly saw American POWs shot in the face by the retreating Germans, they would hack off the fingers of the dead to get finger rings and cut off ears as trophys. He was in The Battle of Aachen on the first day, the orders were, hold the city and take no prisoners. We took Aachen and held it. My father said only ammuntion and fuel went into Aachen, only the dead and wounded Americans were taken out. They had to take the food from dead Germans, American food rations ran out. The Russians in East Prussia were fighting the same army as my father.--Woogie10w (talk) 04:34, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Questions

• Red Army concentrated in the West in 1941, a Polish speaking unit was organised,

What type of unit? How many men?

• the numbers of Soviet victims of WWII are inflated,

Please explain, Military? Civilian? Total losses?

• Red Army crimes were frequently tolerated till Oder-Neisse line (he claims ordered) and forbidden in units attacking the future GDR

This is not true, many women were raped in Berlin

--Woogie10w (talk) 14:11, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Interesting, I read Masers biography of Hitler about 40 years ago--Woogie10w (talk) 16:33, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

238 RD

A few points:

• There were no ethnic divisions in the Sov Army in 1941. Ethnic territorial units were disbanded in 1935-37 (including German speaking divs)

• The 238RD was not all Polish, it included men in central Asian MD from all ethnic groups

• In June 1941 the 238RD was a low cat training Div in the interior, not near the western border.

• The language of command and control in the Sov Army from 1941-45 was Russian, however some units from the Caucasus were comprised of the various ethnic groups, Georgians, Armenians ect. Men from the Turkish/asian ethnic groups who spoke no Russian were sent to railway and construction units.

• There were no Polish units in the Soviet forces, except the Berling Army. In fact Poles were considered unreliable in Stalin's USSR, hardly shock troops for an offenive. The Poles living in Central Asia were deported in 1936-37 and would have had a poor motvation to fight for the USSR.

• Mark Solonin IMO has found another Face on Mars --Woogie10w (talk) 21:02, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: Teharje camp

Feel free to rephrase it to clarify. However, please read it first :) The first paragraph says explicitly that the Germans first used the camp to hold prisoners. I don't vouch for the line's authenticity, it's copied from Teharje where someone else had added it. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 07:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Our Life was Different

This is the city I knew as a child, the world my father, a US soldier,returned to in 1945. We celebrated our victory and forgot Europe. Europe was a place where we sent a CARE Package. --Woogie10w (talk) 11:57, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

From Google Pictures- NY 1950's [33]--Woogie10w (talk) 11:58, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Douglas

I have the Douglas but have not yet read it. In any case in the intro he makes it clear that he does not write from the German POV.--Woogie10w (talk) 12:14, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

About 20 years ago I was the Treasurer of an organization that sponsered lectures on historical topics. The members were well informed and I learned quite a bit about history. I also came in contact with persons in the academic community, in general they were nice people some of whom were numerical illiterates who could not balance a checkbook. The scary thing is that they wrote books full of statistical information.--Woogie10w (talk) 12:58, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Bomber Command Memorial

Thank you for your message. I've added in the countries from your reference. I hope you are happy with the improvements, if there is any more you would like added, please let me know. Harrison49 (talk) 21:06, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Conceptual framework for the Foundation Flight, Expulsion, Reconciliation and guidelines for the planned permanent exhibition

Thank you for taking the timefor posting that link on my talk page. I found the material interesting. It seems that the current government in Germany wants to work toward reconciliation rather than Waving the bloody shirt. Ray Douglas gave a talk there recently, I reccomend his book. I have read the book Orderly and Humane, R.M. Douglas uses American, British, Polish and Czech sources, as well the Red Cross documents. He does not rely on German sources.

From You Tube [34] --Woogie10w (talk) 22:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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