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Inclusion criteria for Category:Memorials to Malcolm XEdit

Hello,

I saw we were looking at the inclusion criteria a little differently for this category and I wanted to touch base and see if we couldn't seek a consensus. From my perspective, WP:SHAREDNAME rules out including things under a monument/memorial category if the only connection is being named afteer someone and we should look for articles that have a closer connection (like Malcolm X and Dr. Betty Shabazz Memorial and Educational Center). To put it another way, in Category:High schools in Madison, Wisconsin we have articles named after James Madison, Robert M. La Follette, St. Ambrose and Malcolm X. Why would the last one be under the biography category when none of the others are?

What are your thoughts? RevelationDirect (talk) 01:53, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi RevelationDirect. Maybe the wording of WP:SHAREDNAME isn't as clear as you'd like it to be. The way I read it, it seems to say that unrelated things that coincidentally share a name shouldn't be categorized together. To me, schools named after Malcolm X are not unrelated and don't coincidentally share his name—each was intentionally named in his honor or memory. However, today I noticed something I missed yesterday, the link to the CfD discussion concerning Churches named for St. Dunstan. Except for the wider variety in the names of schools named after Malcolm X,[1] that would seem to be an analogous category. If there's a consensus that schools or churches named after a person are not considered memorials to that person and shouldn't be in a category of memorials, then I'll remove the articles. You seem to be more familiar with the nuances of categorization than I am, so if you confirm that there's a consensus that categories of memorials shouldn't include schools named after people (shame on you, Memorials to John F. Kennedy and Memorials to Mother Teresa), I'll self-revert. However, I will not volunteer schools named after Malcolm X to be the only schools that are not included in categories of memorials if there is no such consensus, and to be honest (I'm looking at you, Monuments and memorials to Amelia Earhart and Monuments and memorials to Franklin D. Roosevelt in the United States), there doesn't appear to be any such consensus. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:40, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

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  1. ^ "The list of articles in the category is as inane as I expected it to be. Churches named after St. Dunstan: St. Dunstan's, St. Dunstan's, St. Dunstan's, the Church of St. Dunstan, St. Dunstan's..."
A week ago I would have very confidently told you there was a clear consensus to purge these articles. But I nominated several categories for outright deletion, including some you mentioned, and those discussions have honestly been more controversial than I expected. If there is a consensus for removing the articles, I'll double back and let you know, otherwise carry on. (I obviosly don't want to selectively apply any standard to Malcolm X versus other figures.) RevelationDirect (talk) 02:47, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
As an experienced editor, I can appreciate that sometimes it can feel like what we thought was widely agreed-upon is being pulled out from under us. I also appreciate your promise to get back to me about how your nominations turn out. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:54, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

TheWikiWizard - May 2019Edit

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