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Captain Marvel audience reception discussionEdit

Hello, I saw your recent edits on the Captain Marvel article and just wanted to come here to respond with my thoughts. I have now noticed that at the bottom of the Deadline Hollywood article, it was in fact updated again where the movie's definite recommend score moved up to 73%. I am also willing to leave the point about analysts deeming the RT score the result of online trolling. However, we absolutely cannot leave that point from the Deadline Hollywood writer talking about RT as 'an ancient 1990s device full of hideous troll noise' or however he put it. It's such a provacative, over-the-top and generalising take that we simply can't have it sitting there as some kind of established or consensus view on RT, this movie or movies in general. You can find a plethora of sources that corroborate the poor RT reviews with scathing reviews of the movie themselves, such as here[1] and here[2]. Thus, the line is in clear violation of WP:NPOV, where it does not merely stick to reporting the facts in the source (such as the male to female viewer ratio) but also expresses one man's partisan opinion to artificially construct a narrative. For such a line to be valid, it would need more sources than just one to express that kind of hostile view, and it would still be in violation of WP:DUE as other sources exist to support the RT reviews. I'm perfectly happy to compromise and leave the DR score and analyst notes, but this last one from the one DW writer should definitely be removed. Davefelmer (talk) 20:19, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

The Reason.com article, though admittedly has a libertarian slant, doesn't mention the RT scoring, and TheBlemish.com does not seem reliable at first glance. I'd argue that Deadline Hollywood is highly reliable for entertainment news, literally used thousands of times on Wikipedia. So its use here is not without justification. That said, I am not the one that added it. Perhaps @Adamstom.97: might like to weigh in here.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 21:05, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
In no way am I questioning the reliability of Deadline Hollywood as a source itself. Like I said, it is reliable, has been used countless times and I support its inclusion on the article for the fairly described points of fact it delves into, such as the male to female ratio of people that went to see the film etc as I've already stated. I am merely questioning the use of it to project a lone partisan and highly provacative 'hot take' from a single journalist and publishing it in the article as if it is some sort of conformed to opinion regarding RT or the Captain Marvel movie. Its use in that manner and as the sole point to project that hostile argument against RT with violates both WP:NPOV and WP:DUE.
And the movie reviews don't have to necessarily mention the RT scores by name. They serve to counteract the DH writer's point about RT being some ancient relic full of mindless trolls because lots of reviews outside of RT including by frequently used and respected movie sites have similarly given it bad reviews that corroborate a lot of the RT reviews. They mainly reinforce just how lacking in WP:DUE that point is because it's giving one partisan opinion that doesnt hold up against wider context. For some other poor reviews of the film, see here[1] and here[2]. There are many more examples.
So like I said, what's fair is fair. I'm happy to compromise on the other points but this last point violates multiple wiki rules and seems to exist solely to paint an angle that is not from a NPOV. Davefelmer (talk) 22:03, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Per WP:PSTS, reliable sources are well within their right to make analyses, interpretive, or synthetic claims. The view itself is appropriately attributed in the article to the author per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. And the movie reviews don't have to necessarily mention the RT scores by name. They do, if you are going to use them to counter criticism of RT's audience score. A poor review of the film does not mean that the author agrees with how RT conducted its audience polling. Suggesting otherwise is WP:SYNTH.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 11:47, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

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