User talk:TrangaBellam/Archive 2023

Focus

• Rewrite Cal. Textbook controversy
• Gobind Singh and conflict with Mughals

TrangaBellam (talk) 18:25, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Köýtendag Nature Reserve

Dayahatyn

Konye-Urgench

Dev-Kesken

Butentau

Hazar, Turkmenistan - see t/p. Two standalone settlements merged? See Parl. rens. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:17, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Add photos and sketch-plans of Ismamut Ata. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:39, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Aksaray (Turkmenistan)

Dehistan/Mishrian TrangaBellam (talk) 20:11, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Create an article on Lisa Saad. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:58, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Türkmenistan : history, culture, tourism, economic indicators TrangaBellam (talk) 17:50, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

1 TrangaBellam (talk) 19:08, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest

Thank you for your interest in Tomb of Aegisthus and my GA Review. I have done some research and also after consulting an admin have decided that though I am unfamiliar with such a ref format for Ref #15 it is not against GA criteria. I therefore have gone ahead and reverted your edit - wanted you to know. Shearonink (talk) 18:03, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

No issues. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:05, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Happy New Year!

Hello TrangaBellam: Thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a great New Year! Cheers, LukeEmily (talk) 19:11, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year snowman}} to people's talk pages with a friendly message.

LukeEmily (talk) 19:11, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 08:00, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Nezak Huns

Hi TrangaBellam, I found both British and American spelling in the article, with British being dominant. For consistency I've used British spellings and have marked the article with {{Use Indian English}} because of the geographical area the article covers. I hope that's acceptable; feel free to change styles if you wish. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 21:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

It is fine. Thank you! TrangaBellam (talk) 14:38, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Request to TrangaBellam and stop making Aryan valley look bad

Dear TrangaBellam, Your edits on Aryan valley makes Aryan valley region looks extremely bad and you have added only the critisim about Aryan valley , Instead of treating Aryan valley as geographical region ,you have added the unnecessary and extremely baised and rude opinion about Aryan valley cited only those anthropologiest and unreliable news source like Mint who holds the negatives connotation regarding the people of Aryan valley . The Aryan valley articles is not only to write criticism , rather the true geographical aspects should be added there . Please follow the neutral policy of wikepedia , though it is not always necessarily to add the Reliable source of it is extremely rude and against the neutral policy. I hope you would stop making Aryan valley look bad by adding only about its critisim. Correct it before it's too late . Thank you. Minaro123 (talk) 14:20, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Can you please take this to the article t/p? Thanks, TrangaBellam (talk) 14:40, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Other people's talk pages

I don't care if you want to peruse my edit history. It wouldn't matter if I did, so I hope you're enjoying the plumbing and the parade puppets.

But don't come argue with me on other people's talk pages, please. That was not at that point a complaint about you. I wanted to know why he said I shouldn't post in that 3RR section. I had specially told him that I wasn't looking for an argument there, just information. You are correct however that that discussion started as to whether extended-confirmed restrictions applied to the AfD. I am under the impression that it moved on from there, but possibly not in that venue. I assure you that Bbb23 doesn't care, not unless this goes to a drama board and he has to vote on it. If it were official and about you, I'd research whether what I said was exactly correct and possibly strike if there was a material error, but none of that is currently the case.

The next part might be hey post on my user page, but you you know what, here I am on yours. So question for you. How exactly would you describe what just happened with the Aryan Valley article? I would really like to know what you think you are doing.

As best I can determine, this is an ethnic dispute but I can't understand what it is exactly. Do you really feel that this region is best represented by an article about what's wrong with a name which while still used by Ladakh, was given by a government that doesn't exist any more? I would think that if a name is that wrong, it would be better to make it a redirect to the right name rather than make an article about how wrong it is. For example, Squaw Mountain is now a redirect to another name. (A squaw is a fairly derogatory term for an indigenous female in North America). I am sorry if you knew that, and hope I am not coming across as patronizing. If I am missing something please feel free to explain it to me. Elinruby (talk) 21:41, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't care if you want to peruse my edit history [..] But don't come argue with me on other people's talk pages, please. - I have interacted with Bbb23 and has his talk page watchlisted. That said, I have no intentions of following you around but you cannot misrepresent my comments on others' talk pages irrespective of context. The nature of your claims was severe enough to merit an interjection. If your particular allegation was appropriate, Minaro123's sanction ought to be vacated, and I warned for gaming, at the very least.

How exactly would you describe what just happened with the Aryan Valley article? - Nothing unusual happened with the article to deserve introspection. ARBIPA is a fraught zone, and editors are routinely sanctioned for using unreliable sources, misrepresenting sources, edit-warring, etc. We have articles on each of the four villages that constitute the region and cannot duplicate content.

As best I can determine, this is an ethnic dispute. - The Brokpas, who had been marginalized for long in precolonial and postcolonial India, latched onto the Aryan tag, so generously conferred by British and German ethnographers, to have a shot at upward mobility. Successive governments — Hindu Nationalist or not — found this branding satisfying for geopolitical reasons and played their role in appropriating and popularizing the discourse. That's the nutshell version.

Do you really feel that this region is best represented by an article about what's wrong with a name [that] was given by a government that doesn't exist any more? - No government conferred the name "Aryan Valley"; it is limited to tourism discourse. Once again, I emphasize that we have standalone articles on all the four villages for storing geographical information and an article on the people for discussing their history.

Nonetheless, I do look forward to proposals for new additions to the page, unless it involves wild rants. TrangaBellam (talk) 08:23, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes so you keep saying. What I am trying to figure out is why you keep saying it. Why is it so important to you that these particular villages not have articles? I really want to understand this. Elinruby (talk) 08:41, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Where did I state my intentions to not have the articles about the four villages? Dah, Hanu, Ladakh, Darchik, and Garkon pass WP:NGEO. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:21, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I don't agree that they were "marginalized" by anybody. These 3000 Brokpa deliberately chose to go and live in a hard-to-reach corner of Ladakh and isolated themselves. They are 50,000 other Brokpa in India and an even greater number in Pakistan. They aren't particularly "marginalized". But they had to pay the price of getting integrated into the surrounding culture and thereby losing their distinctive identity. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:14, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Come to think of it, the 50,000 may be an underestmate too. Achinathang, for example, is a wholly Brokpa village according to Vohra, but it is fully Ladakhized and probably doesn't get counted in the 50,000. The whole of Kargil district is populated by Dards accoding to Francke. They are almost all Muslim now. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:17, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

And the government may be trying to help them by combining them with the rest of the ethnicity by labelling them as "Brokpa, Drokpa, Dard and Shin". But these people are not interested. As far as they are concerned, they are the "pure Aryans" and the rest are fallen Aryans, even their brothers at Achinathang. Self-isolation and self-glorification can't be labelled as "marginalisation". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:37, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Hamline University

@TrangaBellam. I left a couple of comments for you in the "Talk" page of Hamline University. You reversed some of the recent changes I did. I did not get an answer from you, so I am wondering if waiting is the best option or if reaching out here is the best place to have a chat. I do not do many wikipedia edits, so any advice on the best way to have this discussion is much welcome! IDruben77 (talk) 00:08, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

I missed your replies; give me a day. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:32, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done TrangaBellam (talk) 06:22, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Suggestion

Hello, TrangaBellam! You might be interested in endorsing an essay in which creation I participated – WP:NOCONFED. Of course, this is just a suggestion, nothing more. Cheers! — Sundostund mppria ^{(talk / contribs)} 22:57, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done TrangaBellam (talk) 06:22, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Nezak Huns

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Nezak Huns you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Iazyges -- Iazyges (talk) 03:21, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Wow, thanks! TrangaBellam (talk) 06:22, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Reassess GA

• Tong Yabghu Qaghan
• Battle of the Kalka River
• Day of Thirst

TrangaBellam (talk) 07:02, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Aryacakravarti dynasty

Gal Vihara

Portuguese conquest of the Jaffna Kingdom - Imp.

Munneswaram temple - Imp. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:22, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Nezak Huns

The article Nezak Huns you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Nezak Huns and Talk:Nezak Huns/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Iazyges -- Iazyges (talk) 16:41, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

That wasn't trolling

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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But it was a terrible edit summary, a personal attack. I'm surprised. Doug Weller talk 17:49, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@Doug Weller Look at really bad one this --> if you find that there are reliable historians — though I doubt that you understand the term GizzyCatBella🍁 17:55, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

If you wish, I can cite the Grabowski paper :-) TrangaBellam (talk) 18:05, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

That said, I am awaiting your response at Talk:Mariusz Bechta. You seem quite interested in whether I have subscriptions of Polish dailies etc. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:06, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

(tpw) I read this as trolling, Doug, because it came after trolling here and here (on an article TB started today). GCB's also trolled me here and Horse Eye's Back here and here, and now there is continued whatever-you-want-to-call-it here. Levivich (talk) 18:06, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@Doug Weller and @TrangaBellam - it has been mentioned here - GizzyCatBella🍁 18:12, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

I did not wish to be a party to the case but if you insist, ... :-) TrangaBellam (talk) 18:13, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam I don’t insist on nothing else but refactoring your personal attacks. - GizzyCatBella🍁 18:14, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Levivich, thanks. This is longstanding passive-aggressive behaviour, which I hope, would be addressed in another few months. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:14, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

It's not really that passive. Levivich (talk) 18:16, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

IMO Levivich has a point. In the examples that involved me if it wasn't trolling it was sexual harassment, I did not like the way that interaction made me feel and it did effectively derail the conversation. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:17, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I spotted the particular diffs right now. I agree that this is trolling at best and sexual harassment at worst. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam Your insinuations are disgusting!- GizzyCatBella🍁 18:24, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Consider yourself banned from my t/p; any further edits will be reverted on sight. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:26, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Textbook DARVO. Levivich (talk) 18:28, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

There was nothing sexual about my comment to you @Horse Eye's Back. I didn’t mean to do anything like that. - GizzyCatBella🍁 18:21, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

"With whom you want to "hammer out" RS's again Horse Eye's Back?" and "You want to do it with me @Horse Eye's Back ? 🙂" speak for themselves. There is no plausible interpretation of those statements which does not identify them as sexual innuendo. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:26, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@Horse Eye's Back Remember that English is my second language, I don’t interpret things as you. - GizzyCatBella🍁 18:30, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: How is this not trolling? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:27, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Friendly request to WP:REFACTOR

First, thanks for creating a number of articles relevant to our recent discussions. Second, would you kindly revisit your talk page comments at Talk:Glaukopis and consider refactoring them for WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF, WP:NPA, WP:NOTBATTLEGROUND? TIA. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:52, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

No. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:16, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

So now you are accusing me of trolling. (for the record) - GizzyCatBella🍁 17:36, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@GizzyCatBella See below. Doug Weller talk 17:49, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. - GizzyCatBella🍁 17:53, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

I hope we can stay on friendly terms, but, I repeat politely, please refactor your personal attack here, per policies cited. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 18:09, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Obliged. I hope that in future, you won't either slap misplaced NPOV tags while being fairly oblivious about the subject. Thanks! TrangaBellam (talk) 06:53, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough; to avoid any misunderstandings, I suggest trying to include more details, including stuff that is not criticism, if it exists, in an initial article. If your initial edit looked like the one from few edits later, there would be no reason for me to drop that tag.

For that diff you refactored, may I suggest you consider striking out that final sentence too? TIA.

And thank you for starting an article about that Bechta person. Shining light on various topics like this is important. But do remember about BLP. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:59, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

My GA nomination of Yoga and cultural appropriation

Hi TrangaBellam, time is flying past and I don't wish to hassle you – you are under no obligation. It's quite all right if you don't feel like doing this GAN review – your suggestion to use Andrea Jain was already very helpful, thank you. Just let me know if you'd like me to pop it back into the queue. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:13, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

I do not get the point of time schedules in a GAR - it takes time to read a topic and make an informed review. For some examples, see Talk:Tuqaq/GA2, Talk:Ormon Khan/GA1, Talk:Battle of Vijithapura/GA2, Talk:Anuradhapura Kingdom/GA2 etc. Obviously, I understand that I am in a minority and most reviewers review everything from Cambrian geology to statistical functions to pop culture without caring to assess the NPOV nature of the content and acucracy. I took to reviewing the article, because I have my own interests in the area.

Anyway, if you feel constrained by my delays, please feel free to remove my name and throw the review open. If left to me, I will get to the review in this weekend. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:47, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks for telling me your timescale, the weekend will be fine. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:08, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

To do, for tomorrow. TrangaBellam (talk) 21:56, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Let's start over

I ask you to revert your changes to the state before your edits. Let's talk calmly on the talk page of the article about possible changes. I don't consider all the changes made by you as bad. But you ignored the ongoing discussion, where we were moving towards a compromise on some points. Let's take WP:CUPOFTEA and discuss them calmly. Please WP:Assume good faith, I will also do my best. Marcelus (talk) 19:02, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive editing by TrangaBellam

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Marcelus (talk) 19:37, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Vikram Sampath

Hi TrangaBellam, I've found many of the review quotations in the "Works and reception" section were inaccurately used; I've checked sources where possible and corrected many of these poorly done quotations but it's possible some inaccuracies may remain, and it may be wise to check other citations too. Gushing praise in reviews seems to frequently be a sign of this problem. I've also noted a couple of missing citations with [citation needed] tags. Good luck with the article. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 05:46, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

AE result

This is to let you know that I've closed the AE request about you. Of the evidence that related to you, some showed a pattern of edit warring and an unnecessarily combative approach to talk page discussions. While this does not rise to the level of requiring a formal sanction, I will be logging a warning as a record that this conduct has been discussed. My hope is that that is the end of the matter, but note that similar conduct comes to admins' attention in the future, it is very likely to result in a formal sanction. As a logged warning, this is appealable in accordance with the appeal procedure. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:04, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Meh - I can get this vacated at AN but that will be according this "logged warning" an undue weight. TrangaBellam (talk) 13:34, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Notice of Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a report involving you at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement regarding a possible violation of an Arbitration Committee decision. The thread is TrangaBellam. Thank you.

Damn - If I had made a program choose from a list of 500 diffs and attribute violations of wiki-policies at random, it would have come up with something better. TrangaBellam (talk) 10:12, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

This worked. See a couple of threads later :-) TrangaBellam (talk) 13:35, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Polish-Jewish related topics

Hi @TrangaBellam. I hope this is within the scope of permitted comments due to current AE discussions, and I have no horse in this race except for the high quality of related articles, so just sending a note that I appreciate your work in these difficult topics. Although my involvement is filtered primarily through the lens of art history (visual cultures of Stalinist Poland and in its aftermath, to be more specific), I am very aware of the historiographical challenges that come with the territory. Ppt91^talk 20:09, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Ppt91. I appreciate this message.

I have no particular expertise in your area but you appear to work in an understudied (?) domain, which is perhaps all the more exiciting? I have come across little decent work which is exclusively focused on the visual culture in Stalinist USSR which is in sharp contrast to the heavy scholarly interest in the early avant-garde.... TrangaBellam (talk) 13:50, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam Absolutely. And yes, it's still very much understudied, primarily because the Cold War dichotomy of modernism-good/Socialist Realism-bad has made a lasting impact on scholarship. For now, I am trying to expand the existing biographies on en-wiki of some Eastern European avant-garde artists to cast more light on that period and hopefully move on to the actual Socialist Realism articles in due time. But please do feel free to keep me posted on your projects. Always happy to participate in engaging discussions related to the region. Ppt91^talk 16:29, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Sources

Hi @TrangaBellam! Unexpectedly busy start of the weekend, but will try to come back with something (hopefully) sensible by tomorrow. :-) Ppt91^talk 17:32, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

No worries :-) TrangaBellam (talk) 17:39, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction

The following sanction now applies to you:

You and Elinruby are indefinitely banned from interacting with each other. Please read WP:IBAN to see exactly what an interaction ban entails. Note that the ban applies to the whole of Wikipedia, even though it is described and logged as particularly relevant to Eastern Europe. Providing evidence in the current "History of Jews in Poland" arb case is an exemption from this ban; you may each provide evidence about the other there if you should wish.

You have been sanctioned in order to relieve both of you from unconstructive interaction, where both complain of harassment by the other, and to relieve other people from being distressed and interrupted by it.

This sanction is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decision at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe#Final decision and, if applicable, the contentious topics procedure. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions. If the sanction includes a ban, please read the banning policy to ensure you understand what this means. If you do not comply with this sanction, you may be blocked for an extended period, by way of enforcement of this sanction—and you may also be made subject to further sanctions.

You may appeal this sanction using the process described here. I recommend that you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template if you wish to submit an appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me (on my talk page), before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. Bishonen | tålk 22:32, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Notice: The ban exemption to allow engaging in legitimate and necessary dispute resolution at the World War II and the history of Jews in Poland case is suspended until further notice. Outside of reporting a violation of this topic ban you should not directly or indirectly mention Elinruby; this includes talking about each other on an admin's talk page. Violations of this topic ban will result in escalating blocks. Barkeep49 (talk) 14:51, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:01, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Barkeep49, by "topic ban", I suppose you mean "interaction ban"? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:09, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Correct. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:33, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Are you talking about my I-ban, Barkeep49? Because I specified an exemption to it, as you have perhaps seen immediately above: TrangaBellam and Elinruby may discuss each other on the evidence page of the World War II and the history of Jews in Poland case. I did that because Elinruby had already started submitting evidence about TB when I placed the ban, and it would be awkward to stop them in the middle, or to prevent TB from replying. Is this ArbCom rephrasing/altering my I-ban (without informing me)? I frankly find the negatives a little hard to follow (The ban exemption... is suspended). Bishonen | tålk 21:42, 18 March 2023 (UTC).

Yes I am @Bishonen and I had seen that. That is what has been suspended. This was always intended as a temporary measure while we discussed how we wanted to handle the discussion at the case page. I think we are close to consensus about what we want to do but it being the weekend I am going to give it a bit more time for people to weigh in. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:46, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

You know something, Barkeep49? I think it's quite disrespectful to inform the two users but not me, not even in the form of a ping. I only saw it by accident. Under the circumstances, I suggest the committee takes over these bans. I'd rather not try to enforce them or follow them up while ArbCom tinkers with them. Bishonen | tålk 22:00, 18 March 2023 (UTC).

I am going to reply on your user talk. Barkeep49 (talk) 22:05, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

AE

Hi, I think you mislabelled your statement on AE Marcelus (talk) 10:09, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Marcelus My apologies. I do not think that the AE filing has merits :-) TrangaBellam (talk) 10:11, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Ferret for you

Ppt91 has given you a ferret! Ferrets promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day much better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a ferret, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

Give someone a ferret by adding {{subst:Ferret}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

I thought I had done this already, but am now realizing it saved as a draft... Here's a ferret for your merit. :-) Ppt91^talk 14:32, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Haha - thanks, Ppt91! TrangaBellam (talk) 16:50, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Decorum during the World War II and the history of Jews in Poland case

TrangaBellam, you are allowed to participate normally at the case (e.g. you can submit about Elinruby). However, you should read the expectations for participating in the analysis or evidence phases. In particular you are encouraged to keep the following in mind:

Expected standards of behavior

• You are required to act with appropriate decorum during this case. While grievances must often be aired during a case, you are expected to air them without being incivil or engaging in personal attacks, and to respond calmly to allegations against you.
• Accusations of misbehaviour posted in this case must be proven with clear evidence (and otherwise not made at all).

Consequences of inappropriate behavior

• Editors who conduct themselves inappropriately during a case may be sanctioned by an arbitrator or clerk, without warning.
• Sanctions issued by arbitrators or clerks may include being banned from particular case pages or from further participation in the case.
• Editors who ignore sanctions issued by arbitrators or clerks may be blocked from editing.
• Behavior during a case may also be considered by the committee in arriving at a final decision.

If you have any questions please let me know. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:23, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Barkeep49 So, are you withdrawing your modification of Bishonen's sanction? I am afraid that I find your approach unclear.

For example, ER, who is a third party with no participation in the topic area alongside me, accuses me of assuming bad faith towards another editor in a discussion. That editor came to your t/p to reject such a characterization but you claimed that such denials can only be made after the "evidence is summarized". Evidently, you believe that the "evidence phase" is an "accusations phase" which runs against the dictum that "Accusations of misbehaviour posted in this case must be proven with clear evidence."

If you plan to accept and summarize such blatantly unreasonable "evidence", I do not see why I shall participate in the case and legitimize a bureaucratic farce. And I am not making a fuss about a single diff. In another case, my use of "ce" (copyedit) as an edit summary has been criticized as some kind of misbehaviour. I can go on. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:03, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

All that said, does Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World_War_II_and_the_history_of_Jews_in_Poland/Analysis#Analysis_of_ER's_evidence fit with the "expected standards of behaviour"? TrangaBellam (talk) 08:19, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

While I was unclear in my wording, I never actually modified Bishonen's sanction. I instead applied a suspension of it with-in arbspace. That suspension has been withdrawn and so you and ER are able to participate fully in the case. You can read about the expectations around that in the notice ToBeFree left you. As of this moment, none of ER's evidence about you has been summarized and frankly I don't know how it will be summarized. I am hoping to do some work summarizing things, though ER's evidence isn't my top priority and I'm an hour in to doing wiki stuff and haven't begun yet which is also what happened yesterday so I don't know what will get done. Your placing of that writing in the analysis page does fit with expected standards of behavior, yes. Barkeep49 (talk) 15:33, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

View on this please

Sorry to bother you TrangaBellam but recently I noticed an edit on Gilgit by user Pbeditwiki 3 year old account and only made 20 edits however this edit :[1] seems to be motivated by a healthy dose of point of view pushing the edit summary more or less reveals the motives it based entirely on a Indian book and also this one [2] the first source is Indian and just attempts to push one narrative the second source also is not verifiable. As you may have noticed topics and articles on princely states and there accession such as Khanate of Kalat now Gilgit tends to attract editors from India etc pushing a certain view point. The user is also trying to make an edit on Jammu Massacres to try and downplay the massacre. I would greatly appreciate it if you could check it out briefly I don't think such a large quote and copy edit from a Indian source deserves a place on an article about Gilgit the page on the 1947 Kashmir war is where it belongs. Kind regards. Sensai7 (talk) 11:11, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Copy

Good day TrangaBellam ! I hope you are doing fine - Could you please help me get a copy of Professor Sunil Kumar's work - The Emergence of the Delhi Sultanate, 1192-1286; (2007); pp no:- 81-137

- I asked for the same here - Diff/1147010265, but it fell on deaf ears. Thanks. Re Packer&Tracker (talk) 00:35, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Will send you a scan soon. TrangaBellam (talk) 01:01, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Paratarajas

Hi TrangaBellam, I didn't do much work within the images table because the text there seems fine. Some of the English in the article was a bit confused so you may wish to check I haven't misinterpreted anything. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 02:48, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I will take a look, maybe within the next couple of months. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:39, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

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From Yale?

How did you get this from Yale (my alma mater). I searched and searched! Doug Weller talk 15:02, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Haha - I was pointed to this treasure trove, about a couple of years ago, by Ghamari-Tabrizi. I was searching for some rare journal issue and then, came to know that it was neatly digitized! TrangaBellam (talk) 17:55, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

So access is free? Doug Weller talk 18:01, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah - that's the best part! TrangaBellam (talk) 18:14, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

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Covering my bases since I've proposed a warning towards you in the TRM thread.

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Remove the fictional line

Please remove the fictional line from The Kashmir Files article also. Grabup (talk) 06:33, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

If you can’t do the same thing with same type of film’s article. Then how can you remove that line from The Kerala Story? It was well sourced by 3 big reliable sources. Grabup (talk) 09:36, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Docudrama != Drama != Documentary. TrangaBellam (talk) 12:42, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam, What do you mean by this? Please explain. Grabup (talk) 13:13, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

That dramas, documenatries, and docudramas are different genres. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:10, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam, The Kashmir Files is also a Drama film. It is clearly mentioned at the starting. Grabup (talk) 15:28, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

You need not ping me at my t/p. Dramas are inherenntly fictional and we call out Sen's shenanigans in portraying a drama as a docudrama in no uncertain terms. TKF is an outlier; you need to cite a site-wide precedent. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:21, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Why do you think The Kashmir Files is an outlier? The Kashmir Files and The Kerala Story are the same kinds of drama movies. Why can't you remove the same line from The Kashmir File? If you are right then you should go to The Kashmir Files article and remove the line "The film presents a fictional storyline" which is similar to what you removed in The Kerala Story's article. Grabup (talk) 17:56, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Grabup See Talk:The Kashmir Files/Archive 13#RfC about article lede — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 18:45, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Requesting WP:REFACTOR

Your recent reply to my proposition seem to sound like uncalled for microaggression.

• Stupid. ?? Is this a policy based explanation? You seems to have reservations against incumbent government, Are you presuming that calling the Sengol installed in parliament as 1947-Sengol is favorable to incumbent government some how? I just proposed thinking that to be neutral; you can all the way find policy based faults in it, support status quo or support something else, using words like 'stupid' seems all the way uncalled for.

• .. Sengol tradition in Chola spans, as has been claimed by the incumbent government in India? ..

Did I comment anywhere in my proposition about Chola and claims of incumbent government? Are you doing uncalled for presumptions? When and which governments to support or not is every ones own individual prerogatives and need not be presumed. At least not in the case of users like me who follow reasonable editorial neutrality.

Whether historical things do not exist irrespective of whichever governments are in the power? Can any one not create draft / sandbox and update with available RS on the respective page?

My title renaming suggestion on article t/p rather distances from historical Sengol at least to some extent which present title does not is my perception, you may very well have different perception. But above cited advance speculative presumption seems uncalled for.

• .. Btw, I am glad that you have changed your atrocious signature. .. This is the untimely and uncalled for microaggression which has made me most annoyed.

Whether an article talk page is space to talk about my user signature? Only problem with my signature was it's lengths and I reduced shortened it long time back on good faith advice of other users. And what all you are calling atrocious was all the way was just good faith description of good encyclopedic value. You call it atrocious that too at t/p of a contentious article talk page in untimely manner?

I am quite annoyed with this and look forward to WP:AGF and positive WP:REFACTOR at your earliest.

Bookku (talk) 10:07, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

(1) Do a strawpoll. 1947-Sengol as the name of the object is just bizarre and, might I say, stupid.

(2) I was actually keen to know if you found sources to the effect? See the last thread on the t/p, where I document sources which claim the non-existence of such a tradition in Chola spans. No bad faith was involved.

(3) I am willing to remove the bit, but I am not the first editor who had complained about the signature. TrangaBellam (talk) 10:35, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

1a) Bizarre or stupid, neither of the word seem to make linguistic or WP policy explanation. Idk some one like you good at language expertise and adequate Wikipedia expertise can't go beyond unhelpful shortcut words. At this moment I leave at that.

1b) My basic concern is clear from section heading "Article title naming and scope mismatch" and "Short description|Symbolic sceptre in Indian history"

"About|a gold sceptre installed in the Parliament of India.."

It would help if you can help with inputs on basic concern. Alternatively we can seek more opinions with RfC to decide if one of them can be dropped from the scope. Of course I will take this @ article t/p.

2) On historical Sengol, I am not focused on ongoing controversy of Chola-Govt-Parliament. In South India historical Sengol seem to begin from non-religious Sangam era mentions. Nayakas seem to have their own tradition. Karnataka seem to have had their own traditions. Whole research and making article will take time. What I suggest is let us see beyond on going political polarization and focus on what best encyclopedic information with RS we can provide.

3) Thanks for refactoring.

Just for record and info of uninitiated my previous signature used to include words 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' did not contain any bad words or bad intention, shortened before some months to mere Bookku due to concerns over length of the signature.

Bookku (talk) 14:09, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

A friendly alert

@TrangaBellam as such I respect you for being fairly geek in lot many WP policies rather also learn few from your advice time to time. This is not to say you have broken any guidelines relating WP:CTOP and WP:ARBIP, but remaining alerted may help to avoid heat of moment editing situations. Wish you happy editing and cheers. Bookku (talk) 02:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

WP:BITE

Threatening to topic ban a newcomer is a very bad behaviour. You should have been warned by some administrator about this. Due to your threats the user who was definitely not a disruptive editor left Wikipedia. many long term editors make mistakes. Accusing a newbie of hate speech is over the top. 42.105.5.233 (talk) 06:48, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:16, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Film Companion

Are you still pushing for making the site usable? This seems to have gone moot for two weeks. Kailash29792 (talk) 07:20, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Kailash29792 New week, new idiocy. See the discussion. TrangaBellam (talk) 11:37, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Utpala dynasty

Why are u removing my content from Utpala dynasty page i.e., origin of utpala? Maheyyash (talk) 14:51, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Don't edit others comments.

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I've reverted your edits to Jayen466's post. If you object, comment below, don't delete what they wrote. See WP:TPO for more. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:09, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Are you jobless? Like, go write an article.

The review by Jeffrey Herf was added by Andreas because I had created a stray sub-section on him, with no comment whatsoever, which I have since removed. Nobody, much less me/Andreas, is challenging Herf's reliability. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:37, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

A little bit less of Are you jobless? Like, go write an article. please. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:43, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Struck. However, it was Headbomb who threatened to drag me to ANI for this harmless refactoring of Andreas' comments! TrangaBellam (talk) 17:44, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I'd take a second to think about that... If the refactoring was harmless why is it getting this level of pushback? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:54, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, because I don't want to derail the discussion? The more the entries, the lesser the quality. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:57, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Are you under the impression that you have a right to trim down the number of entries? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:10, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, if they are based on obvious misunderstandings, like the one documented just above. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:21, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Interesting, I didn't know that there was a "based on obvious misunderstandings" exception. Can you point me to it? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:24, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Regrettably, it is difficult to "point" to common sense. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:33, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

"Nobody, much less me/Andreas, is challenging Herf's reliability"

Then simply make a comment to that effect. Don't refactor other's comments. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:49, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

WP:NOTBURO TrangaBellam (talk) 18:34, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

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Request

Hi TrangaBellam, I am reaching out to you in good faith to request you to reduce the aggressive stance you have towards me. Our discussion at EFN possibly derailed from the point you responded to me aggressively.[3][4] Some points I wanted to document in my request:

1. While I thank Novem Linguae for pointing out your personal attack,[5] [6] and Abecedare for calming things down, I do thank you for striking part of your attack in good faith subsequently. It would have been good if we could have initially itself just discussed congenially than derail the discussion from the point go.
2. After I posted my message on the EF noticeboard, you wrote on your talk page, "New week, new idiots. See the discussion."[7] This again was a direct personal attack on me. After about 9 hours, you changed the term "idiot" to "idiocy".[8] Both the initial "idiot" word and "idiocy" words were uncalled for.

Your current talk page is replete with comments from editors such as Bookku, ScottishFinnishRadish, Headbomb requesting you to change your track. I have not reviewed the history of your talk page, but if there are similar requests from others, it might be prudent to ponder on your aggression. You have significant editing experience and it would be lovely to interact with you, were you to have a more friendly way of interacting. I reiterate, I write in good faith and hope this is not how we interact in the future. Thank you, Lourdes 06:44, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Per your own request

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:05, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Proposed changes in Baidya

Hey TrangaBellum, you are pinged in the Baidya article. Please reply if you want. Thanks,Satnam2408 (talk) 09:02, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

e-mail

Hi, I'm sorry but I've never received your e-mail... Friniate^talk 18:52, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Err - strange. Checking. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:35, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Film companion

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Thank you TrangaBellam for taking upon the task to get it removed from the spam blacklist, while lots of us couldn't see it thru to the end. I know the ride was bumpy with conflicts and confrontations, but I do hope in the good for all it's worth it. Thanks again!

— DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 16:04, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

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August 2023 Good Article Nominations backlog drive

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Manipur source

It looks like this book has key background for the Manipur conflict. Do you have access to it?

• Kamei, Andrew Lathuipou (2023), Governmentality: Power and Counter Conduct in Northeast India’s Manipur and Nagaland, Taylor & Francis, ISBN 9781000953664

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:25, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Will email. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:45, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

"Singularly unhelpful edits"

I will assume good faith about this edit of yours when you labeled a bunch of edits, including mines, as "unhelpful" while i just made some minor edits that were quite legit as far as i can see. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Wikaviani Your edits were not the target of my note; apologies. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Nezak Huns/GA1

TrangaBellam, you need to return to this GA nomination and finish your work right away if you don't wish it closed for lack of action. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:14, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset, not sure if you saw, but there's note on the userpage saying the user is going to be largely inactive until Nov 2024, so I suspect his return is unlikely. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 09:26, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

All those (trivial) changes were optional for a GA pass. I will incorporate them once I have more than a few minutes to spend. The nomination can perhaps be closed as a successful one. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

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Phoolan Devi

Hi TrangaBellam perhaps you don't have time but if you were able to give comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Phoolan Devi/archive1 it would be great, even just an opinion on whether it's ready to go to FAC or not. Thanks, Mujinga (talk) 22:03, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

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Inactivity vs. conflicts

Hi TrangaBellam, I've noticed Special:Diff/1169463850 and Special:Diff/1173176678, and their contrast with being reported at WP:ANEW. As Wikipedia is not compulsory, all is fine with inactivity. If you engage in content disputes, however, you can be reasonably expected to be either available for dispute resolution or to avoid restoring reverted contributions if there is no time for dealing with resulting complaints. Best regards, ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:10, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@ToBeFree What? I engaged in considerable detail at the t/p from creating a t/p section noting my bemusement (since I couldn't spot any discussion that led to such massive changes) to pointing out a list of issues with the new version to else. Did that escape you? Responding to frivolous complaints at 3RRN is certainly not a part of WP:DR.

The editor in question created a new section called "Copyedits" between two old threads — contrary to the rule that new threads go at the bottom — and cited it in support of his edits! Ofcourse, the strategic placement of the thread was an obfuscatory tactic and it ensured nobody noticed it till I did, yesterday, as evidenced by the total lack of engagement. All of that too missed you, despite my explicit note? I can understand if somebody creates a new t/p thread at the top of existing ones (many web-forums have such a rule; AGF) but why will one create a new thread in between two older ones?

A bunch of new editors — with less than five hundred edits, each (Jagmanst - 3m, 552 edits; Anirudhgiri - 3y, 94 edits; Rogeryg - 4m, 471 edits) — sneaked in vast changes to a longstanding version while both me and Tayi were away. This is routine POV pushing, please. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:49, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

For an interesting example, Tayi — in what was his last edit — explained why "Golden Walking Stick" was a result of the so-called "fog of war" and hence, may not be used in our article. The opposing editor agreed and the discussion came to conclusion; till date, not the slightest of discussion has taken place on the topic in that thread or elsewhere. Yet, somebody sneaked it back in the article in the intervening month and here, you are warning me. Please go ahead but silence does not override explicit consensus esp. when it involves longstanding editors. TrangaBellam (talk) 10:13, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Interestingly, Jagmanst wishes to restore a particular version but is unwilling to take responsibility for the content in it, arguing that the relevant content was added/removed by someone else before he edited the article. Is such a behavior allowable? TrangaBellam (talk) 10:41, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

TrangaBellam, my concern(s) are purely behavioral and definitely not limited to your behavior, not even focused on it. Most of the "warning" at ANEW, hopefully apparent when reading the discussion there and checking the timestamp of the "Warned" closure, is towards Jagmanst whose report I have effectively declined because there are many other options still available. Perhaps the best of them would be starting an RfC.

I do have to reject the accusation regarding an alleged (bad-faith) "strategic placement" of a new thread as "an obvuscatory tactic". That's far-fetched especially when attributed to someone with about 500 edits and a clear lack of experience with dispute resolution in general. I also won't judge the content, all I'm trying to prevent is the unproductive short-term edit warring that is still happening today.

Most of the conduct argumentation so far seems to boil down to "there are two infallibly neutral editors experienced enough to properly edit the article, and they're currently overwhelmed with keeping all the non-neutral newbies away, so I have to revert them on sight when I have the time to do so, and WP:ONUS allows me to do so without finding a consensus". And that's wrong.

Looking at Talk:Sengol, I see "Latest comment: 2 days ago"; looking at Special:PageHistory/Sengol, I see two reverts from less than 24 hours ago. As there is no urgency in finding a consensus, thanks for self-reverting for now. I am aware that this may result in a non-optimal revision being displayed to readers for a while, but it's not a biography of a living person and Wikipedia sometimes works this way.

Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 12:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

• I have created a content dispute page entry: [9]
• I have made a list of my objection's to TB's preferred version here [10], referred to in the content dispute page.

Jagmanst (talk) 01:04, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

(btw top two threads in the talk page were created mine. I didn't sneak in copyediting section in between two threeads). Jagmanst (talk) 01:08, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

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I don't partake in DRN; take it to RFC after I reply. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:52, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Hinduism Related Articles

Hello @TrangaBellam: awesome job by reducing tons of unsourced / poorly sourced materials from articles of Hindu yogis which I mentioned in WP:FTN. Although you said you're not that that active these days. Nonetheless I would request you kindly go few more of these Hindu saints /yogis article and clean them up. Eg Ramakrishna, Nigamananda Paramahansa, Sitaramdas Omkarnath, Anandamayi Ma, Bijoy Krishna Goswami, Tarapith, Shakti Pitha. Also check List of Hindu gurus and sants; here you'll notice all Hindu guru's and IP's have added tons of bullshit information without providing reliable source. Thanks Glcris (talk) 07:04, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Ramakrishna is not classifiable in the same category; he has been the subject of dozens of monographs published by academic press. I do not know much about Tarapith but it ought to have coverage in RS. As to the rest, I will take a look. TrangaBellam (talk) 08:46, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Alright @TrangaBellam:! I knew Ramakrishna's article has good quality of academic sources, still I just wanted to check with you once. I would request kindly check Tarapith carefully the article mainly relying on one or two primary sources no secondary source has been provided. Another saints/guru's article Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri, and Disciples of Ramakrishna. In each of the individual Disciples of Ramakrishna article I'm pretty sure not all are provided good quality sources and they also need thorough review. Slowly we also need to take some article to AFD, not now, first the cleaning needs to be done. Thanks--Glcris (talk) 04:56, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Sometime, in the later half of the upcoming year. TrangaBellam (talk) 12:11, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit on Pratapaditya,

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Hello, @TrangaBellam: you recently reverted the military conflicts of Pratapaditya, i restored the conflict articles again. Please make sure that the battles are really fake and shouldn't be on wikipedia and then remove after checking the sources i can provide each sources snippets to clear out the topic. Raged Bengali Wiki (talk) 11:49, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Raged Bengali Wiki I have replied at your t/p; please keep the conversation in a single thread. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:06, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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Blocked as a sock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug Weller (talk • contribs) 12:26, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Ty, Doug! TrangaBellam (talk) 12:11, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Regarding India Related Articles

Hello Tranga, I hope that you are not too occupied with other tasks to take a look at this request. I wanted you to take a look at this article, which I believe is problematic in many way as it romanticises a legendary folklore as history. I am not too familiar with processes of removing problematic information appropriately but have noticed that are quite active with solving a lot of these issues pertaining to India-related articles. I would like to see what you think, as majority of the information is not from reliable sources at all. It seems to be a way of presenting legends in the guise of a reliable historical article and it bugs me because I know this is the case but it's not easy for me to make that clear to those who are not familiar with the romanticisation of historical conflicts in India. I don't know where a lot that which is mentioned in the article is actually from. I would appreciate your taking a look at this but if you are too occupied, then please remove this message as a heads up so I know to ask elsewhere. Thank you. Muydivertido (talk) 19:03, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

That is an atrocious article; perhaps, stub it? TrangaBellam (talk) 09:43, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I would like to do that, but am not experienced with stubbing and wouldn't want my attempt to be confused by more experienced users as vandalism or removal of content. Please look into it if you have time, thanks. Muydivertido (talk) 19:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

History of Mizoram GA nomination

I contributed enough to nominate the History of Mizoram article (or atleast I think so). Can you tell me anything majorly wrong with the article in discussion that caused it to be reverted, I don't think you are supposed to even revert it. Instead i think you are supposed to review it and give it a failure and explain why. Sangsangaplaz (talk) 14:16, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@RegentsPark: Can you please let Sangsangaplaz understand why History of Mizoram shall not even be considered for a GA or why they, with absolutely no record of any content work, ought not do any GA review esp. for Muhammad of Ghor and Sher Shah Suri. I wrote a message at their t/p but that was deleted. Thanks, TrangaBellam (talk) 09:38, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Btw, unless your edits have been redacted (?), all I see in the article-history is a single trivial edit. And, WP:GAN says, Any significant contributor to an article may nominate it. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:48, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

No redacted edits and only one trivial edit to the page. @Sangsangaplaz:, you should probably find something else to focus on. RegentsPark (comment) 14:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

@RegentsPark@TrangaBellam Sorry ot was a test nominatio. Sangsangaplaz (talk) 11:08, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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