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Seperate article for Dede KorkutEdit

Hello, I am thinking of a seperate article for Dede Korkut. But not sure where to begin. Do you think it's a good idea? Could you help? Thanks in advance. Beshogur (talk) 10:46, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Beshogur, hi there. How are you? You know really well that I will always help you with any of your requests, however I wonder what do you mean by a separate article and is it really necessary? Will that article be solely about Dede Korkut as a legendary wise-man or you simply want to revamp the existing one? I must tell "Book of Dede Korkut" page indeed begs for an old good polishing, especially its "Synopses" section. So, I would like to ask you to kindly provide me with more details regarding your plans? Thank you! --VisioncurveTimendi causa est nescire 04:45, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi again, I'm fine, thanks for asking. I would like a make a page pure based on Dede Korkut and his personality. Probably, a work for later. Beshogur (talk) 09:24, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Beshogur, no worries, I will surely help. But please, inform me in advance when you would like to start your page so that I'll get prepared and search for decent information from reliable sources. Take care! --VisioncurveTimendi causa est nescire 02:41, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive editingEdit

First, don't tag-bomb my user page. You are engaged in disruptive editing; accusing someone else of it first does not relieve you of your responsibility to edit responsibly.

A couple problems with your repeated revert. First, there is no such thing as "Finno-Ugric people". Certainly not in Öz Beg's conception. You could add Magyar to Finnic if you like; Finnic is at least a reasonably coherent conception, even if it is ambiguous. Finno-Ugric is a reification of a linguistic theory with no basis in ethnography. It's also anachronistic.

The other is the SEAOFBLUE problem of linking 'Crimean' and 'Greeks' separately and right next to each other. Why do that, when we have a perfectly good article on Crimean Greeks, with a section that covers exactly this period?

When you revert someone, please try to understand what you're doing and whether your edits are actually improving things. — kwami (talk) 06:50, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive editing, accusing someone? What on earth are you talking about? You have been reverted because you simply kept linking certain words to disambiguation pages. Do you understand what a disambiguation page means? I believe not and therefore, I suggest you go through the basics of Wikipedia first and start reading the edit summaries. --VisioncurveTimendi causa est nescire 15:41, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
You accused me of disruptive editing, but I was not being disruptive. The reason I linked to a dab page is because the subject is ambiguous. There is no dedicated page to link to, so a dab page is best. The policy is that when linking to dab pages, you should do it explicitly, using the (disambiguation) tag, so that people know it was intentional. Are you able to find a better link? If so, please link there.
Meanwhile you continue to purposefully link to inappropriate pages, with SOB violations of the MOS. Perhaps you need to review the basics of editing here.
Can I at least remove your inappropriate links, or would that be considered edit-warring? Are you willing to clean up your own mess, or do we need to escalate this to ANI?
Meanwhile I tagged that paragraph for failing verification. A search of the entire source turns up nothing for the 2nd sentence. You need to provide an actual source, or the unsourced claims can be deleted. In fact, they can be deleted immediately, and you would need a RS to restore them, or you would be on the losing end of an edit-war, but I'll give you a chance to find a source first. If the existing source already does verify the claims, you can quote it on the talk page so to demonstrate that. — kwami (talk) 21:01, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
As far as I know, disambiguation is required whenever, for a given word or phrase on which a reader might search, there is more than one existing Wikipedia article to which that word or phrase might be expected to lead. However in our case, there was no need for disambiguation, you could've simply linked it to Volga Finns and perhaps added Permians right after it (though Permians are sometimes also grouped as Volga Finns), but no, you chose to cut the corners. Moreover, I have poured through a host of primary and secondary material related to Oz Begh Khan and the people of the Golden Horde, most of them have these people called collectively as the Finno-Ugric people. So my guess is there was no need to remove a Finno-Ugric term in the first place. These sources include:
      • Azade-Ayse Rorlich, "The Volga Tatars: A Profile in National Resilience"; 2017.
      • "Anthropology & Archeology of Eurasia", 2008.
      • Agustí Alemany, "Sources on the Alans: A Critical Compilation"; 2000.
      • Alexander V. Maiorov, ‎Roman Hautala, "The Routledge Handbook of the Mongols and Central-Eastern Europe"; 2021.
      • Christoph Baumer, "History of Central Asia, volume 4"; 2018.
      • Allen J. Frank, Islamic Historiography and "Bulghar" Identity Among the Tatars and Bashkirs of Russia"; 1998.
      • Gregory Freeze, "Russia: A History, new edition"; 2002.
      • Janet M. Hartley, "The Volga: A History"; 2021.
Regarding your "you continue to purposefully link to inappropriate pages" and "Are you willing to clean up your own mess", I would suggest you do some decent research and homework first before pointing the finger at me, since it wasn't me who incorporated that dubious statement to the page or added, as you think, inappropriate links. However, if that statement indeed fails verification, the best of both worlds will be to simply remove it without giving it a benefit of the doubt and thus, end this discussion for good. --VisioncurveTimendi causa est nescire 10:15, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Done. Since you, who know the sources, aren't willing to fix the article, I removed the claims that fail verification. — kwami (talk) 23:12, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

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Would you mind re-assessing the Jalal al-Din Mangburni's page?Edit

Hello. Could you re-assess it as it has been expanded and improved greatly. Does it deserve to be B-class? If not, what more is needed? --81.213.215.83 (talk) 05:26, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi. This is one of the articles I have a tremendous interest in, and I try to contribute to it as much as possible whenever I have time for it. Unfortunately, it begs extensive and professional copy-editing as it is written with poor grammar, research is obviously haphazard, statements of opinion are written in such a way as to be perceived as statements of research based facts while several sources are often biased or unreliable. My subjective opinion is that this page will score low based on what I have written above. Cheers! --VisioncurveTimendi causa est nescire 05:47, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
Hello. I am the same person but using different computer (I do not create account as these IPs are from my workplace). I do grant the research is haphazard as I just introduce whatever I meet in the books I currently am reading. However, I refuse to even think that it is concievable to assert "statements of opinion are written in such a way as to be perceived as statements of research based facts". In my contributions, I cited all those opinions into relevant authors, I attribute those opinions into their owners (e.g. Harold Lamb, Jurgen Paul, Ibn al-Athir etc). I would be glad if you help to detect and amend grammatical mistakes like the typo you amended today. All in all, let us improve this article as the second season of the relevant series will begin soon and this page will be visited even more. The TV series is historically very misleading, I want to counter that. --88.230.171.39 (talk) 11:42, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
I have read the article carefully, detected grammatical inaccuracies and amended them all. --81.213.215.83 (talk) 04:03, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

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Where is the Modern Jalayirds in TurkeyEdit

Where are Jalayirids in Turkey now and which surnames do they have? Where are the children of Bayazit? 88.236.181.221 (talk) 22:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Where are the children of Bayazit Jalayirid? Where are the jalayirids living in Turkey?Edit

I'm wondering about this. Because there is a claim that my ancestry comes from Bayazıt Jalayirid. 88.236.189.68 (talk) 12:01, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Turkmen literatureEdit

Hello:

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Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

There are a couple of issues that need your attention. Most of the fonts/punctuation around the title of works was missing or incorrect. I have tried to fix/interpret them the best I can. You might want to check each work and make sure it is correct. Novels are bracketed with ...; stories "..."; and poems "...". Foreign surnames are not italicised, so I fixed those.

I added a "citation needed" tag after a citation that is incomplete or no longer works. I also added a "clarification needed" tag to a sentence in the Early 19th century section which I did not understand.

All the best with the article moving forward.

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