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New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022

 
 
New Page Review queue March 2022

Hello Stuartyeates,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently 817 New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All 859 administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

If you have noticed a user with a good understanding of Wikipedia notability and deletion, do suggest they help the effort by placing {{subst:NPR invite}} on their talk page.

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Tech News: 2022-24

16:57, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Stuartyeates

Thank you for creating Katherine Singer Kovács.

User:Scope creep, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Hi, You need to split the two list out of this articles, into two seperate articles. The awards are notable, they have massive. If you can expand this article with biographical, it really neeeds. If you need any help please contact me.

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Scope creep}}. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~ .

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scope_creepTalk 12:54, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

@Scope creep: Alas I'm unable to make any of the excellent changes you suggest due to the fact that I'm currently topic banned from BLPs. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Stuartyeates: Thanks for getting back to me. I never knew that was a thing, to be honest. I guess I will need to do it. She seems to be major cultural figure. I'll leave an attribution so they know it was you that created the article. scope_creepTalk 20:44, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for your work. No need for any explicit attribution, it's all in the edit history. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:46, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-25

20:17, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to The Wikipedia Adventure!

 
Hi Stuartyeates! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission. I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.

-- 01:51, Tuesday, June 21, 2022 (UTC)

Are you learning new tricks? :-) Schwede66 05:30, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
User:Schwede66 I'm trying to take a moment to develop. WP:TWA is completely abandonware to the extent that I couldn't get it to work. OTOH, I've done ~ 2000 non-BLP edits since my topic ban, but WP:AFC queues don't seem to be getting shorter... Stuartyeates (talk) 07:29, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Oh. I wasn't aware of the state of TWA. Schwede66 08:32, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
If may have been a brwoser issue. not sure. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:10, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022

 
 
New Page Review queue June 2022

Hello Stuartyeates,

Backlog status

At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000[a] at the end of May.

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.[b]

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

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Misc

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Very high unreviewed pages backlog: 11681 articles, as of 20:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC), according to DatBot

There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.

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19:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Bilorv. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Being Funny in a Foreign Language, and have marked it as unreviewed. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

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Decline of the draft of QualCoder software

I would like to justify why the draft should be accepted.

Firstly, when assessing the article, it should be taken into account the nature of the subject. As we talk about CAQDAS software, it is rather natural that most of in-depth sources are related to the software websites, blogs, manuals, etc. So, they have not secondary character. In turn, most secondary, independent sources are the journal papers which applied the specific software. However, they are quite dispersed. In other words, most independent and secondary sources relatively shortly describe software and mainly apply them in research.

Secondly, acceptance of the QualCoder article is justified by the character and sources of the already accepted articles on Wikipedia. I done some work and analysed articles on the three of the most famous commercial CAQDAS: Maxqda, NVivo and Atlas.ti. Sources to the articles are as follow:

Maxqda:

Total number of references: 7 (1 in literature section, withour reference to specific fragment).

Number of NOT independent references (product website): 4

Notes: first paragraph without ANY reference

Number of in-depth independent references: 1

Number of short independent references: 2

NVivo:

Total number of references: 8

Number of NOT independent references (product website, articles of software developers): 4

Not-working links: 2

Notes: second paragraph without ANY reference

Number of in-depth independent references: 0 (!)

Number of short independent references: 2

Atlas.ti:

Total number of references: 17

Number of NOT independent references (product website, articles of software developers): 12

Not-working links: 1

Notes: first paragraph withour ANY reference, the whole second section without ANY reference

Number of in-depth independent references: 2

Number of short independent references: 1

References withour mentioning the subject: 1

QualCoder (this draft):

Total number of references: 21

Number of NOT independent references (software website): 2

Number of in-depth independent references: 2 (I added one recently)

Number of short independent references: 14

To sum up, comparing three already accepted articles of most famous, commercial CAQDAS, and the draft, it is worth to stress that:

- the draft has the smallest number of dependent references (2 vs. 4, 4 and 12)

- the draft has the higher number of independent short references (14 vs. 2, 2 and 1), including also at elast 7 peer-reviewed articles, sometimes with high impact factor.

- the draft has 2 independent in-depth references, while existing articles has 2, 1 or even not at all.

This relatively good support of indepednent sources results from the fact that, as I am a PhD student, I conducted systematic literature review on this software package, including all sources from Google Scholar, as well as general Google sources. The number of in-depth independent sources is 2, however, it is not low number, taking into account nature of the subject and existing Wikipedia aritcles. However, number of shorter sources is exeptionally high, as well as number of developer-related sources is reduced to the minimum, what cannot be said about existing Wikipedia articles in this field.

To sum up, the draft provide holistic and reliable overview of the subject by providing indpendent, in-depth, as well as shorter but very reliable and diversified sources. In this way, contrary to the three already accepted articles, it provides not only good overview of the software, but also in-depth insight into actual use of the software (empirical journal articles), recommended use of it (methodological journal articles), and educational use (libraries sites).

In fact, the draft not only meets the existing level of the Wikipedia articles in this field, is relatevely exemptionally and can serve as an example of good practices of articles grounded in diversified, reliable, and independent sources. AndrzejSN (talk) 20:04, 10 July 2022 (UTC)


  • I assume that we're talking about Draft:QualCoder here. If not, ignore the rest of this.
    • WP:GNG says A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. This is the core of the issue.
    • Both of the articles you mention are currently tagged as having issues. They are not exemplars to use.
    • If you find articles in main space that appear to lack independent references, you're welcome to tag them as such.
    • The standard for inclusion in an academic literature review is not directly equaliavent to any wikipedia standard.
    • If you believe that I personally have made an error or hold a grudge of some type, Wikipedia:Teahouse is a place to go for newbie-friendly advice and to find editor who may take another look at things.

I believe that your best approach to getting the article accepted it to find new sources with independent in-depth coverage. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:11, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your detailed explanations. Actually, I do not discuss your review conclusion itself, but I see very problematic the fact that other articles on the similar subject were accepted despite being at the lower level than article that was declined. It seems quite arbitrary and generate gaps in Wikipedia coverage of specific field, in this case the CAQDAS software. But, I understand that you assess the articles individually, not in relation to others. So, I do not suggest that your decision is arbitrary, but the total effect visible at Wiki. Thank you for advices! AndrzejSN (talk) 22:57, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2022-28

19:23, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

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22:58, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Bror Friberg for deletion

 
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Bror Friberg is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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StartOkayStop (talk) 07:27, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification StartOkayStop. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Dougal McNeill for deletion

 
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Tech News: 2022-30

19:26, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Talk about Draft:OnionShare

So is it alright? Is there need for improvement? I think the notability part is pretty good? Greatder (talk) 07:13, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

I would like it to be an article, so I improved it in couple of obvious ways. Am I convinced that it would survive AfD right now? No, which is why I didn't promote it to user space. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:09, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
Greatder there are a couple of recent pieces on https://sempreupdate.com.br/, which look suitable but I don't speak Portuguese. More generally there's coverage in Google News that I'd add. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:13, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

CryptoSlate article

I appreciate the timeliness of the review of the Draft:CryptoSlate article. You stated:

  • Comment: I waded through a dozen sources and none of them were independent secondary sources, which is what we're meant to be basing out articles on. Throw out the primary sources and interview-based puff pieces and write based on secondary sources with in-depth coverage of the org. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:27, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

I have been talking with other Wikipedia reviewers and guidance is mixed across the community. I removed primary sources originally but then readded to include links to the editorial policy etc. following the discussion on CoinDesk talk page. I added the references to policy and advertising guidelines as it was noted that there has to be a question of trustworthiness for crypto news outlets. While I understand this sentiment, the sole purpose of CryptoSlate since 2017 has been to provide a respected news source that is verified and edited by an independent team with deep experience in traditional financial news.

There are several secondary sources in the CryptoSlate draft showcasing other notable companies citing CryptoSlate as a respected source. However, I understand the strict guidelines for notability at Wikipedia. CryptoSlate is extremely well known within the industry and I believe its important for it to be listed on Wikipedia. 0xCryptoDegen (talk) 09:56, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

The "trustworthiness for crypto news outlets" can in no way be based on what they say about themselves. Someone else talking about their editorial policy maybe, but not themselves. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:11, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

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Submission declined on 1 August 2022 on "Draft:AliceVision"

Hello @Stuartyeates

Regarding your comments on our Draft:AliceVision :

Peer review articles by the creators of the software and software repositories are not secondary sources. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:19, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

1- the main article "AliceVision Meshroom: An open-source 3D reconstruction pipeline" has been reviewed by the committee of the prestigious ACM Multimedia Systems Conference and has even received the "Best Open Dataset and Software Paper Award".

See the nomination award here : https://2021.acmmmsys.org and the award copy.


2- Most of the academic publications quoted in our draft have not been written by the creators of the software. They are trusted academic publications with their official DOI or ISBN. For instance, these are the 25 references 5 to 29 in our article.


I would like to hear about your explanations for why they are not trustable "secondary sources". BMaujean (talk) 17:54, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Answered at Draft:AliceVision. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:34, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-31

21:20, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Gravity Spy resubmitted

Hello, I have resubmitted a draft which you have declined Draft:Gravity Spy after resolving the issues that you pointed out. Please review the article once again to find any more issues or whether this article needs more secondary sources. Thank you. EnIRtpf09bchat with me 12:11, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Answered on Draft:Gravity Spy. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:07, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

NPP drive award

  The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
This award is given to Stuartyeates for 40 reviews in the July NPP backlog reduction drive. Your contributions played a part in the 9895 reviews that took place during the drive. Thank you for your contributions. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 09:03, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

This Month in Education: July 2022

New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022

 
New Page Review queue August 2022

Hello Stuartyeates,

Backlog status

After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators Buidhe and Zippybonzo, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to Dr vulpes who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.

Coordination
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Hello - Thanks for reviewing my article. Are you able to tell me specifically which bits were a copyright problem? This was not intentional and I will correct any then re-submit. Thank you for your time Glasgow87 (talk) 15:34, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi User:Glasgow87. I can't access the article to check, but I recall it read like you'd cut and pasted bullet points / summaries from a whole lot of different articles, one per section, into a draft article. When I searched the web for a long textual string from the article I found that it had been lifted. You can't cut and paste ANY text from other documents unless those documents are released under an appropriate license. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:12, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Hello - for example when I included a part on the world health organisation approach to sustainable health care I listed their 10 action points - this was a direct cut and paste because these are their action points - I had referenced at the top but perhaps this sort of thing isn't appropriate? Is that correct? Glasgow87 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
I have had another go and re-published. Glasgow87 (talk) 22:31, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Glasgow87, are you telling me that the text Patient education and empowerment. This also serve to reduce the amount of healthcare related activity required, as patients take a more active role in managing their health. was not cut and paste from somewhere? If it was cut and paste from somewhere, that draft needs to be nuked. You are not allowed to cut and paste from anywhere unless the place it's coming from has a compatible license. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:49, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Please understand that I am not trying to unjustly plagiarise anyone's work. I would like to learn what is and isn't allowed and I do not want to cause offense or upset anyone. The quote you have picked out is one of the 4 principles of sustainable healthcare. This concept, and by consequence the names of each principle are owned (I presume) either by the author or the publication the paper was first published in. I have referenced this paper at the top and I have referenced each principle (after title). The description of each principle was and still is my own words. If I were to change the names of each principle then it would become something different. Would I need to change the wording of the titles of each principle to be acceptable? Thank you for your help Glasgow87 (talk) 19:55, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
I suggest you ask at the WP:Teahouse. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:13, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

New article about Ankr (company)

Hi there Stuartyeates, thank you for your volunteerism! I see you declined my submission for Ankr today Draft:Ankr. I definitely understand your wanting to see more reputable sources, but I have seen companies with nowhere near Ankr's notability posted on Wikipedia. Ankr as a company has tens of thousands of users and there are at least a dozen articles cited from some of the most reliable news outlets in the U.S. There are some blogs cited but they are extremely reputable (from fortune 500 companies or enterprises like the NBA). I will try to find additional articles, but I think the fact that Ankr is mentioned in depth by articles by Business Insider, The Motley Fool, and Yahoo Finance (among others) may warrant more consideration? TrueSalamander (talk) 23:13, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

If you look at them, most of these articles are not actualy written by professional journalist but bloggers of one type or another. You're more than welcome to resubmit to get another editors' opinion. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:47, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

New article about Glastonbury Brass

Hi, I've signed up in order to discuss what changes I need for my new article about Glastonbury Brass (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Glastonbury_Brass). I attempted to improve the notability of the article after a previously declined (by Slywriter) submission and your comment on my latest submission says "zero independent refs" and then talks about one specific reference (that understand). Dispite this one, there are many other independent refs throughout the article so I'm a bit confused what I actually need to change here? Please could you help point me in the right direction? Many thanks. LeadTree (talk) 13:19, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

You need sources that aren't connected to the band discussing them in depth; per the WP:GNG you need significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:11, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Looking at my sources again, and comprehending what is required a little better, sadly I agree that, other than the results and grading tables, the only sources that are independent are 12 and 14 (if you agree). As we're still a new(ly renamed) ensemble, we are still in the process of making a name for ourselves in our new area and unfortunately we never seem to get mentioned or written about without doing it ourselves. I was hoping that a Wikipedia article would improve our SEO as searching "glastonbury" doesn't find us anywhere near the top of the results for obvious reasons. I fear that this means that we probably don't classify as noteworthy enough for Wikipedia even though we have done some noteworthy things and therefore the article will never get pushed live. Do you believe there is a way I can write the article that will pass notability given the limited sources on offer? I have seen other ensembles that have published articles which seem less noteworthy than us (e.g. Worcester Concert Brass). Thanks. LeadTree (talk) 21:41, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

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Re your comments: I am a subject matter expert in the field and can attest the notion of "Foundation Models" is real and increasingly impactful in AI.

The primary source is not peer reviewed because it is a position paper, not a journal article. Not every primary source is necessarily peer reviewed. Note too how the primary source authors include some of the most authoritative figures of the field: Andrew Ng, and others.

The second source points to the Stanford-based Institute that originated the concept of "Foundation Models", and who then organized the collective position paper publicly formalizing the notion: the primary source. So it is valid and unsurprising that the Institute's foundation precedes the position paper its members then coauthored. Put in another way: First came the Institute formed around the notion, -then- the came authoritative position paper formalizing it.

Consider reevaluating your decision, or assigning it to another editor for a second opinion. It is fairly discouraging to take the time to make a pro bono and genuinely valuable encyclopedic contribution to Wikipedia, only to be dismissed for unsound reasons. Thank you.

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Welcome to wikipedia Commevsp. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, by definition a tertiary source, it needs to be based on secondary sources. You're welcome to resubmit to get the opinion of another editor, if you see fit, but I don't hold out much hope. Stuartyeates (talk) 05:30, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

No need. I just checked and a very similar article, with near identical sources, already exists in Wikipedia, created and (clearly) approved by someone else around a similar time: Foundation models.
Feel free to flag the article above with your concerns about notability, source timing and 'non-peer-reviewed sources' but clearly, in the opinion of at least another Wikipedia editor, they were wholly unfounded. Commevsp (talk) 10:00, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

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What are secondary Sources?

And where do I find them? Blahhmosh (talk) 22:09, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I assume that this is in relation to my decline of Draft:CJK Unified Ideographs Extension H; if not please ignore the rest of this and clarify. You need to find sources non-connected to the Unicode consrtium which discuss CJK Unified Ideographs Extension H in depth. These need to be separate from discussion of CJK Unified Ideographs in general, which are already covered elsewhere. Stuartyeates (talk) 22:21, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

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Hi,

Thank you for your thoughtful review of the Bolt draft I submitted a while ago. You pointed out issues with some of the sources that I was not aware of; I never cross-ref'd the sources with press releases or measured the interview content vs. editorial. I've now done so. (I even created a Google doc with word counts.) Sources have been purged, per your comment.

I know it is time-consuming, and I apologize in advance for asking, but would you take a look at the draft? I have not yet resubmitted it. I have removed sources that were not on the perennial sources list, added quotes, and specified the title of the authors. (This applies mostly to Forbes' - the cites I used were written by staff writers/editors.) I also added quotes from the sources that are behind paywalls (except where the headline encapsulates the content).

Thank you either way. I really do appreciate your time. JSFarman2 (talk) 17:06, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

JSFarman2 Quite a few of the referneces I don't have access to, so someone else will need to take a look, sorry. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:15, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
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Pikrodafni tram stop

I can suggest merging all standalone tram stops, including Pikrodafni tram stop and Zappio tram stop, into the List of Athens Tram stops, instead of outright deletion. This would be similar to the situation with the Blackpool tramway (List of Blackpool Tramway tram stops).

What do you think of this idea? --Minoa (talk) 18:02, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

That's workable, go for it. Stuartyeates (talk) 18:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Request to reconsider draft: Cogntive Immunology

Hi Stuartyeates, curious if you could reconsider approving draft: Cognitive Immunology for the main space. I made quite a lot of edits since your disapproval. I do technically have a COI by Wikipedia standards, so I'm hoping to find others who are willing to contribute to and revise the page so it can be in good and fair shape to be approved.

I want to point your attention to the talk page I created for it and just want to re-emphasize here the distinction between inoculation theory and cognitive immunology. Cognitive Immunology is recognized by some of the most notable inoculation theorists – namely Sander van der Linden, Stephan Lewandowsky, John Cook, Jon Roozenbeek, and Josh Compton — as a discipline in its own right. They all signed this declaration that make this acknowledgement. Meletao (talk) 21:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

The declaration you point to is a primary source and as such useless for establishing notability. Stuartyeates (talk) 17:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
True, but that's beside the point. There are other sources included in the article that establish notability, I'm simply referencing this primary source to address your primary issue i.e. your thought that cognitive immunology is the same as inoculation theory. This primary source gets at this directly, but the notability of Cognitive Immunology – as distinct from inoculation theory – is established in other sources. Meletao (talk) 21:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

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Deep Lake

Hey there! thank you so much for the review. Deep Lake is an emerging framework that builds upon data lake, hence some of the references refer to data lake or other established deep learning formats such as Webdataset. The field in itself is emerging, so not a lot has been yet written, although it's slowly gaining traction, e.g. this is a third-party study by Yale University researchers.

So while indeed "sources don't mention the subject of the article", these sources are instrumental to understanding the subject in question/ the deep learning landscape in general.

Regarding "The definition of the subject is so unclear I'm uncertainly whether "deep lake" is a proper or common noun", Deep Lake is a software category name similar to Data Lake. I would work on improving the definition to make it more understandable.

Would you recommend any further improvements taking into consideration what I've mentioned re: "sources don't mention the subject of the article"?

Thanks a lot,

Tensieal (talk) 10:43, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

When you say "The field in itself is emerging, so not a lot has been yet written" you argue very effectively against the creation of an article. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:52, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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Hi. Thanks a ton for reviewing this article.

I understand these two sources may not meet the bar for "Independent" because they are personal blogs?

https://markjames.dev/2020-10-25-developing-a-cli-music-player-csharp/

https://worldofzero.com/videos/exploring-guics-custom-terminal-uis-in-net/

However, I believe this source IS "independent":

https://itnext.io/terminal-console-user-interface-in-net-core-4e978f1225b

Can you help me understand why you think it's not?

Cheers!

cek 10:19, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

The problem is not that necessarily that they're personal blogs, it's that these articles are primarily tutorials. They don't cite other sources or show evidence of journalistic research, making them primary sources. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:32, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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pySB

Thanks for the review of pySB, I will work on the sources to improve them. Rhodydog (talk) 15:38, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I've been working on bolstering the notability of pySB. One thing I am not entirely sure about is software notability as it applies to academic research. Academic software tends to be specialized and, within its domain, can have a significant impact. Is a scientific tool, through its use in impactful research, considered a criterion for inclusion in Wikipedia? For example, a research paper may only mention the software application it used once in a single sentence, which might be construed as a trial mention, but the entire published work was dependent on this tool.

Looking at the software notability criterion, the one that may apply in this case is:

"It[software] is discussed in reliable sources as significant in its particular field. References that cite trivia do not fulfill this requirement."

However, the criterion only mentions 'discussed', not what impact a tool might have. Having said that, the pro and cons of particular academic software are discussed in academic reviews. Would it be better to cite these sources instead (or both?) Rhodydog (talk) 16:47, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Rhodydog: In academic terms, a secondary source is a review article. Stuartyeates (talk) 18:24, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
ok got it. Thanks. Rhodydog (talk) 19:18, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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Hey Stuart, thanks for reviewing my draft on the PySR software. I am new to editing Wikipedia and wish to get my feet wet by expanding Symbolic regression. To start, I am adding pages to some of the more notable algorithms. So far there are only pages on Eureqa and QLattice. However, both are commercial/closed-source and unclear about how they actually work, so I want to add some pages on the open-source codes which do provide details. I was wondering if you would provide some advice on improving the PySR page? I did a bit more research on it since your review. I have not found a primary publication on the software other than the descriptions on the software website and documentation, but I did see this article which discusses in some depth: https://arxiv.org/abs/2202.02306 as well as a video by the main developer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKJB0Bjo6tQ. I also found it is described in some detail in a few independent secondary works, particularly this article: https://www.scipost.org/comments/2681/attachment in section 2.3, this article: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4053795 in section 8, this article: https://arxiv.org/abs/2209.02075 in section 4. Are those resources sufficient?

Thanks ~Blackhole

Blackhole944055886 (talk) 22:18, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Blackhole944055886, ideally we're looking for secondary sources, which in an academic context are usually called 'review articles'. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:24, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
Thank you kindly for your explanation. I don't believe there are any review articles in this area since it is more on the software side of things. For example the QLattice page is quite similar in scope and does not have any review articles in the sources.
The closest thing I have found to a review article is this article: https://www.quantamagazine.org/machine-scientists-distill-the-laws-of-physics-from-raw-data-20220510/ which discusses a few of the algorithms on the Symbolic regression. Would that suffice for creating new pages for the mentioned algorithms? Blackhole944055886 (talk) 12:01, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
I looked around more and despite my guess that that there were reviews in this area, I stand corrected. I found a couple of references which might satisfy the requirements:
Let me know if this meets the threshold. Blackhole944055886 (talk) 01:56, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
I suggest that you add these refs and resubmit the article and see what happens. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:29, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

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Hi Stuartyeates,

In my view I had dealt with all comments that were mentioned when the first version of this draft page was declined: the new draft shows 17 external references that I think are in-depth, reliable, secondary and independent of the subject. It is quite disappointing that you introduced a new reason to decline: publications that result from a press-release apparently may not be used. I do not know if you have ever tried to get a press-release published by a reliable magazine or website: that is not easy. Such magazine has an independent editor, and of the hundreds of press releases that come in every day only a few are deemed worthy of publication. Making such publication - in my view - reliable, secondary and independent. Exactly what is required for a submission on Wikipedia.
So I am not sure how to proceed: should I remove all press-release based references and the trademark links and try again ? LexLen (talk) 12:58, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

LexLen, I don't believe that any combination of the sources currently in the article are going to be sufficient. What is needed is additional sources that are truly independent secondary sources. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:01, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi Stuartyeates,
By chance I just saw a different Wiki page: WampServer. To my surprise that page shows only two external references. When on the DeskProto draft page I remove all references that you did not find OK then still five references remain (nrs 6, 11, 12, 13 and 16), that are as required truly independent.
So it seems like not all submissions need to be conform the same standards.....  ?? LexLen (talk) 15:53, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

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