User talk:Samwalton9/Archive 15

December 2015 - January 2016


Bad CSDs edit

Apologies there Sam, seems I didn't need to tag those sandboxes as CSDs -- samtar whisper 13:57, 3 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

@Samtar: You mean because I moved one of them? No worries; the other two that I deleted were blank so no problem deleting those. Sam Walton (talk) 13:59, 3 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Edit filter informal consult request edit

Hey, IIRC, you're quite experienced with the Edit Filter. We've been having some minor problems with trolling over at the Ref Desks, and it seems that the specific nature of the trolling is something an edit filter could be set up for to shut down; which would allow us to keep the ref desks open from semiprotection, which we'd really like to do. If you could check in to the discussion at this discussion, maybe you could lend your expertise. I'd be happy to bring you up to speed on exactly what we'd need from an edit filter, and if it can be enacted, I can also put it in the form of a formal request at the Edit Filter request board. Thanks in advance for your time! --Jayron32 02:58, 4 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

@Jayron32: Replying there. Sam Walton (talk) 09:09, 4 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

The Signpost: 02 December 2015 edit

Draft:Eyal ben-Moshe (Eyal B) edit

Hi there, can you please help me? they declined but I have 14 References and even a few External Links... Eyal is a big personality in Israel and its obivous thanks to having so much written about him as well as winning awards.. please help Clipfunu (talk) 11:38, 7 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

17:53, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 14 edit

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Please comment on Talk:Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley edit

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He's back edit

See the page history at WP:RDM for his latest attempt to breach the edit filter. Probably needs a bit more tweak. --Jayron32 12:40, 11 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Tweaked. Sam Walton (talk) 12:50, 11 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
@Jayron32: I've just had to protect, I'm on my phone and can't keep up. Sam Walton (talk) 13:11, 11 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
I had already protected RDM. Whenever you get around to fixing the filter, is fine. The whole thing is trying to stop one person from locking down the reference desks. It's blindingly obvious his whole goal is to force us to semiprotect the ref desks long term, just to be disruptive. I'm trying to find ways to avoid that. --Jayron32 13:15, 11 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Heliodorus Trosidamas of Alexandria edit

Hi, Samwalton9,
Can you and Borsanova agree what you want to do with this article? Because Category:3rd-century Egyptian people is getting tagged for deletion, deleted and then recreated. I don't care whether or not the category exists (as long as it isn't empty) but it shouldn't be on this merry-go-round. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 19:48, 12 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Properly merged and cat deleted again. Sam Walton (talk) 23:23, 12 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
And the category is recreated once more, Samwalton9. This is becoming a battle of wills. Liz Read! Talk! 01:29, 13 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
@Liz: The newly created article Dionysius of Alexandria (athlete) isn't one of those merged/redirected through an AfD and I have little to no effort left for these articles so I guess the category stays now. Sam Walton (talk) 10:19, 13 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
Okay, it is what it is. Thanks for checking on it. It's unusual to have repeat appearances of categories on Wikipedia:Database reports/Empty categories so that's what caught my eye. While categories get recreated as new articles are created and there is a new need for them, Category:3rd-century Egyptian people was listed twice in one week which was notable.
I think it is news to some editors that there is a CSD tag for empty categories. But considering how easy it is to create new categories and the fact that they don't pass through the NPP, there are always categories that seemed like a good idea at the time but then are never used. Liz Read! Talk! 22:47, 13 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

The Signpost: 09 December 2015 edit

Gary Wales Actor edit

Hello Sam

I noticed that the article I created was deleted by yourself, can I ask you why please HeatherWalker1 (talk) 11:47, 13 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

@HeatherWalker1: Hi, the article (GaryWalesActor) was deleted because it read like little more than a promotional piece for the subject, rather than the encyclopedic tone and content that we aim for on Wikipedia. In regards to the tone; terms like "Wales began to advance his love of acting and production involvement", "His facebook page which has been verified by facebook has a great audience of over 11,000 likes", "As a child, Wales's Favourite film was The Lion King" are not appropriate for a Wikipedia article, which should aim to be factual and neutral in tone. Additionally, articles should cite reliable sources of information to back up the statements in the article and prove that the subject is notable by Wikipedia standards. If you want to write a new article please do so at Draft:Gary Wales to work on it without fear of deletion for notability reasons until it's ready, if Gary is indeed notable. Sam Walton (talk) 19:06, 13 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

17:42, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Could you block BlueSox edit

BlueSox (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - personal attacks on my talk/user page and WP:ANI -- samtar whisper 13:50, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Zzuuzz got to it before me! Sam Walton (talk) 13:54, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
Phewww, thank you though - you were the first admin in my watchlist :P -- samtar whisper 13:57, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
No worries, you were write in guessing I was available. Revdel'd the worst of the edits. Sam Walton (talk) 13:58, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
Ah thanks for that :) -- samtar whisper 14:05, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

The Signpost: 16 December 2015 edit

Copyright edit

Dear Samwalton9, where did you see copyrighted material? We did not copy paste from anywhere. we did what our teacher said, read the sources and created the work without looking at the sources. Also, baegel is deleting some of my messages in his talk page, where I tried to speak with him. I asked several times to give us time, or cooperate with us. Nevertheless, he just delete our job and put his, without even looking at what we have done. Please, start a conversation with us, instead of just using the power and spoiling our work. You delete days of our work just with one click, and say that it is wikipedia policy. I thought wikipedia is created for informating people, and not fighting to own our article. From my viewpoint it just looks like Baegel wants to steal our article, and put his name on it.

Regards, Arman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Armanilogin (talkcontribs) 19:34, 20 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Wikiclaus' cheer ! edit

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WikiCup 2016 is just around the corner... edit

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History of Persia edit

 

Hello Samwalton9, you may remember User:Artin Mehraban = User:History of Persia, whom you blocked in June. I'm not turning to you because you blocked him, but because you are interested in Greek history, which overlaps with this user's edits. Now a natural problem we have is that this user created some information that is still being used. In particular, I am wondering about File:Provinces of the Achaemenid empire.png. How reliable is it? Do we need to go through more of this user's edits? — Sebastian 07:15, 22 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

@SebastianHelm: Honestly, I know next to nothing about Greek history! You'd be better of finding the relevant Wikiproject if you think some of his content needs discussion. Sam Walton (talk) 09:20, 22 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Wishing you all the best . . . edit

Merry Christmas, Sam, and may your holidays be merry and bright . . . . Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

@Dirtlawyer1: Thank you, merry christmas to you too :) Sam Walton (talk) 16:54, 22 December 2015 (UTC)Reply


Newbie China Questions edit

Hello, I'm a new editor and your name was given to me by the teahouse. I see you have access to the university of Liverpool's library. Wondering if you could get some free electronic books or journal articles for me. I"m interested in the chinese black market, at least that's the articles I'm doing now, and want to see if there is any additional information out there that I could access. In particularly, I would be interested in books since I already have access to journal articles through Jstor, nellco.org, bepress.com, google scholar and another one. Is there any storage function on wikipedia where you could upload documents and I could download them from the site without giving out my email address? I'm interested in the following topics:

pirated online content such as music movies TV shows for downloading or online streaming, Pirated Dvds Cds Vcds, financial black market (shadow banking), Black market money exchange services, pirated Software, Cigarettes and tobacco, Fake local brands, Fake international brands for domestic and int markets, Luxury goods, Factories producing genuine products for foreign brands but sell the same ones in Chinese black or grey market after changing logo or not, Illegal Surrogate mothers, Child beggars industry (where kids are kidnapped by criminals and forced to work on the street), Aborting of females with illegal sex determination, Online and on ground copyright infringement Trademark, patent, Pharmaceuticals fake and for making illegal synthetic drugs overseas, Exotic animal parts, Black market banking (shadow banking), Black market money exchanges, Fake Western military parts/electronics,

There might be some more that I will add later but up to now this is all I could think of. Also is there any way to introduce me to other Wikipedians interested in China that like to collaborate and share workloads? Without help this article will probably take me six months and this is too bad because I feel it will be a fairly important addition to the China section of Wikipedia. A mix of native Chinese speakers with excellent English skills and native English speakers would be the best so as to have access to more sources, perhaps in Chinese books/journal articles. Thanks in advance for all your help :-) See you later.Notgoingtotellyou (talk) 16:53, 24 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

@Notgoingtotellyou: Hi there. I'm not in Liverpool at the moment but I could definitely take a look into this for you, and can distribute without having to email you. Have you tried looking through Google Books and other similar online resources? It seems there are a number of available books on Google with information on the black market. As for Wikipedians interested in China, you should first take a look at WikiProject China; there are a number of resources there and the talk page should hopefully be a good place to post for discussion and questions. Hope that helps. Sam Walton (talk) 17:18, 24 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Wow you're quick, I just posted that 5 mintues ago! You must have mobile app notification or something. I will check out the china project section and look for partners to work on the project thanks for that advice and also for the google books idea, I totally forgot about that but from my past experience the only books offered are not the newest and best ones because they still want to make money on selling them to readers. I will search through there nevertheless to check for relevant books..Thanks againNotgoingtotellyou (talk) 17:23, 24 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Holidays edit

  Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2016!

Hello Samwalton9, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2016.
Happy editing,
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Please comment on Talk:CobraNet edit

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The Signpost: 30 December 2015 edit

2016 edit

 
Happy New Year 2016!
Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels?

Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unneccessary blisters.
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UTRS Account Request edit

I confirm that I have requested an account on the UTRS tool. Sam Walton (talk)

  • Approved and activated, sorry for the delay. You're good to go! Lemme know if you have any questions. :)  · Salvidrim! ·  19:58, 3 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
    • @Salvidrim!: Thanks; can't guarantee that I'll be hugely active but I thought I should get signed up at any rate :) Sam Walton (talk) 20:08, 3 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

Help if you're around edit

Hi Samwalton9, sorry to bother - not sure if you've dealt with Vote X before but this on my talk and this noticeboard could do with some looking at if you have a mo, thank you -- samtar whisper 15:08, 1 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

@Samtar: Sorry, not familiar with this user at all, ANI is probably a better bet. Sam Walton (talk) 15:36, 1 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

Happy New Year, Samwalton9! edit

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I hate you, Samwalton9 edit

Never forgive you Hallerworld (talk) 21:16, 4 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

@Hallerworld: Why? Sam Walton (talk) 21:19, 4 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

Draft:Video game gameplay edit

I hope you don't mind my edit on your draft, Draft:Video game gameplay. I got bored and added lots of stuff to it. Anarchyte 12:24, 6 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

@Anarchyte: There's a reason it's in the draft namespace and not a sandbox! Looks great actually, I kept going back and forth on whether to include certain categories or articles and what to put where, but that looks pretty nice. I'll take a proper look at it later and see :) Sam Walton (talk) 12:37, 6 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Also pinging Maplestrip who's been trying to make something like this too. Sam Walton (talk) 12:38, 6 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
I'm surprised of how good this navbox is looking, actually. Didn't expect it to work out very well, but I'm glad to see how it's coming along. Your additions to it are very good, Anerchyte, though I'm unsure if we should put any kind of "list of genres" in it. Player type and gameplay type are very important, in my opinion, but deciding which video game genres to use can be a pain. I also don't think we should list events (DreamHack, The Internation, etc). ~Mable (chat) 12:45, 6 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Maplestrip and Anarchyte: Agreed; gameplay should be distinct from game genres I think. Sam Walton (talk) 12:47, 6 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

(I've got this talk page watched for the duration of this discussion) Moreover, I think "stage of production" should probably be separate navbox. It could be titled something along the lines of "Stages of software production", since none of the articles listed in that row are unique to video game production. ~Mable (chat) 12:58, 6 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

I made a template in May 2015 but I requested it was deleted, I'll see if I can get it undeleted and then I can move stuff from there to this one. Anarchyte 02:02, 7 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

Request for feedback about a game article edit

Hi Samwalton9, Happy new year! I am trying to create an article about a "health game" and a medical App https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chippadum/sandbox that has been featured/presented at leading medical conferences over the last couple of years. It relates to a field which I care about, as a new mom! I would greatly your feedback about it, if/when you have some time. Thank you! Chippadum (talk) 06:31, 7 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

@Chippadum: At a glance it looks like the app might be notable, though I would address the tone of the article; "leading Silicon Valley based mHealth startup company", "leading academic conferences", and the long quote make it sound a little too advert-y, but it's not bad otherwise! Sam Walton (talk) 18:48, 10 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

Thank you, Samwalton9! Will modify accordingly and pay closer attention to the tone. Chippadum (talk) 11:10, 11 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

The Signpost: 06 January 2016 edit

Red Granite Pictures edit

Can you add Joey McFarland on top of Riza Aziz on Red Granite Pictures? Hallerworld (talk) 08:42, 7 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter, Q4 2015 edit

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:35, 9 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

I reverted the closure, but I still retain your rationale. Typically, even when the listing is removed from WP:ITNR, the discussion is still open until someone else closes it. Do you mind the changes I made to the discussion? --George Ho (talk) 19:59, 9 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

@George Ho: Ah, no worries! Not familiar with how things work there. Sam Walton (talk) 20:00, 9 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Well, I'll leave it as closed and removed then until another administrator reverts closure but then retains rationale. I won't do it to the discussion again. --George Ho (talk) 20:01, 9 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Oh wait, someone else reverted the un-closure. --George Ho (talk) 20:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

16:59, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomy edit

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Alan Rickman edit

Sam, I thought you might like to keep this in your bookmarks for prosperity: [1] regards.Twobells (talk) 18:45, 14 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

@Twobells: Ha. When I reverted that edit, less than a minute after it was posted, I thought "I wonder how many people saw that". Quite a lot it seems :) Sam Walton (talk) 18:51, 14 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Eee, yes, shame the editor doesn't have an account. Twobells (talk) 18:56, 14 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

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Orphaned non-free image File:Liverpool Guild of Students Logo.png edit

 

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17:56, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Special:AbuseFilter/676 edit

Hey, I'm going to on wikibreak 22 January through 30 January. Since you originally created this filter, I was hoping you'd be willing to keep an eye on it in my absence? If not no worries, we can just disable. People who deal with that LTA immediately know it's him and block. Many thanks MusikAnimal talk 18:56, 21 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

@MusikAnimal: No worries, can do. Have a nice break! Sam Walton (talk) 23:16, 21 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

Edmond Leka edit

Why was this page deleted. It had enough information for it to be considered a viable information for the site. Furthermore, this person was mentioned in multiple arctiles written about him in the Financal Times. I think that justifies the fact that he can be in wikipedia. Wikihunter123 (talk) 05:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

@Wikihunter123: There was a deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edmond Leka where the consensus was that there was no indication that this person was notable by Wikipedia standards. Notability is demonstrated through a subject's coverage in reliable third party sources of information like the new or books. While he has indeed been mentioned in the Financial Times, the voters in that discussion evidently didn't find any further coverage that would show he was definitely important enough for a Wikipedia article. Sam Walton (talk) 10:31, 24 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

The Signpost: 20 January 2016 edit

16:39, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Assistance please edit

Hello, I'm a former long time user who hasn't made a significant edit since 2009, real life got super real and I faded away from being active on Wikipedia. Though I still utilize the wiki almost daily, my urge to contribute and edit is rather lacking. Now to my request, I have not signed in for roughly 5 years and I doubt I could recall the password even if I tried my best. I tried to archive old messages on my talk page and my edit was not allowed and I was given the option to report it as a false positive. As I noticed your user name at that page a few times, and I don't believe my edit applies to what that feature is for, I hoped to bypass the report and just ask you to archive the messages on my talk page and just dump them into archive26 for me. This is my former user talk page 2601:805:8101:3061:65EF:6A14:A031:6C97 (talk) 22:18, 26 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

As a side note I'm rather impressed that I remembered to sign and how to insert the hyperlinks... Its like riding a bike I suppose. lol :-) 2601:805:8101:3061:65EF:6A14:A031:6C97 (talk) 22:18, 26 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Never mind, I didn't even think about it until after I made my request I went ahead and reset my password and will take care of this myself. Thank you anyhow, and sorry to waste the space on your talk page lol. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 22:28, 26 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
@KnowledgeOfSelf: Glad to see you got your account back :) Regarding the disallowing of the edit; that filter stops users who aren't logged in from blanking registered user's user or user talk pages to prevent vandalism. Since we had no way of knowing that was you logged out (i.e. not vandalism) it was disallowed as per normal. Sam Walton (talk) 23:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

The Signpost: 27 January 2016 edit

Please comment on Talk:Human spaceflight edit

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2nd report: DS/A edit filter not kicking in edit

Hi Sam, The edit filter did not kick in when I saved this DS/A. 2nd time this has happened. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 16:47, 31 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

  • @Checkingfax: I've asked about the filter here, but I still don't understand what the filter is trying to do, it seems like it's either doing the opposite of what it should or it's trying to do two opposite things at once. I'm lost though... Sam Walton (talk) 16:50, 31 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
    • Hi Sam. Sometimes it stops me when I hit save and there is a big stop sign with a warning that only one DS/A per topic can be set per year and to check two logs (links provided) to make sure that a similar alert has not been set in the past year. I am chided that if I set a premature alert then I will be the one in trouble   so I don't go there. But at least twice now I have not gotten the stop sign giving me a chance to check the two user logs (one is a history log and one is an edit filter log). I hope this helps. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 17:47, 31 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
      • Yeah it seems to be a warn and tag should happen every time, regardless of an alert being present, but we'll see. The discussion is going somewhere useful now, I think. Sam Walton (talk) 17:48, 31 January 2016 (UTC)Reply