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Lothar Charoux moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Lothar Charoux, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 06:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Otra Figuración has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Otra Figuración. Thanks! Chetsford (talk) 01:59, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Otra Figuración live

Hi - Otra Figuración is now live. Thanks for your patience. Chetsford (talk) 15:41, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Taller Torres-Garcia has been accepted

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Experiencias '68 has been accepted

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Proposed deletion of Universal Constructivism

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Chapel of the Chapingo Autonomous University (murals) (November 7)

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Jose Mejia Vides moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Jose Mejia Vides, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Lopifalko (talk) 19:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:José Mejía Vides

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Tunga (artist)

Your addition to this article, which is the same as that made by Nicoleerichardson, is unacceptable. Apparently you and she are working on some sort of "final project" for a college course. However, that is not a justification for disrupting articles at Wikipedia. The amount of material added is huge. Much of it sounds like a college thesis. Some of it infringes copyright. Much of it is sourced to puff pieces about the artist, which are not reliable sources. I have removed it now for the second time. If you or Nicole add it again, you risk being blocked. If you want to address the material, you may of course make a proposal to add material to the article on the article Talk page. You would have to gain a consensus from other editors to add any of it back in.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:50, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I'm working with Nicoleerichardson. We are trying to contribute to articles on significant Latin American artists and Tunga is incredibly significant to 20th century art. His artwork has been in exhibitions and collections throughout the world. He is deserving of a lengthy article describing his career and work. I understand that Nicoleerichardson contribution had some structural problems and the citations were not correct. I tried to fixed the format and I corrected all the citations, which come from reputable art news websites, the website of the gallery that represents Tunga, and the New York Times. They are puff pieces, but articles on and obituaries for a well-respected international artist. The article is not perfect, but it's a start. Instead of deleting ALL our contributions, would you please consider restoring parts of it?--Redbaron10 (talk) 16:38, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

No, it's not my job to go through such a massive change and determine what is appropriate to keep. Frankly, inexperienced users should not be editing articles directly. In most sanctioned course assignments (as far as I can tell, this is not sanctioned by Wikipedia), students work in draft or user space, not in article space.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:00, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

First, I'm not inexperienced. I have been making small and large contributions to Wikipedia for 15 years. This particular eidt originated with a newer user, and I agree she made mistakes; I am trying to fix it. Secondly, Wikipedia is place where people can contribute information. Jimmy Wales himself described it as “the online encyclopedia in which any reasonable person can join us in writing and editing entries on any encyclopedic topic.” That's all we are trying to do. That said, I understand your concerns, so would it be more acceptable if we added information to this article incrementally so that you and/or others will have a chance to respond. Or, will you continue to delete our efforts to bring knowledge about Tunga to a wider audience? Redbaron10 (talk) 00:18, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Under the Redbaron10 account you have been editing for a little over two years with a grand total of 68 edits. I call that very inexperienced.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:02, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

While I'm here, please disclose the usernames of all the students you are helping. Are you the instructor because, as far as I can tell, the students' accounts have been only recently created, whereas yours is significantly older. @Shalor (Wiki Ed): Can you get help out in this?--Bbb23 (talk) 01:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

I have not consistently used this account, but I have been contributing for about 15 years. At that time, Wikipedia was becoming more prominent as the place where people were going to get information and I realized significant Latin American artists did not have articles on Wikipedia. I decided to help correct that. My contributions have been modest in number and size, but I have been consistent and earnest. I'm just one person with a computer trying to make a difference.Redbaron10 (talk) 05:57, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Notes

Hi! I wanted to interject myself into the conversation since I was tagged.

First off, are you with a classroom or university of some type? If so, it would be definitely awesome if you would take a look at our website. Even if not part of or affiliated with a university, our training modules can still be helpful, even if just to point others towards.

As far as edits and experience goes, keep in mind that while someone can definitely be experienced with a smaller and more spread out amount of edits, there are still policy changes that can happen over time and there are also a lot of minute guideline details that are most likely to be learned with frequent and heavier editing. I certainly know that this was the case for me, to be honest.

With the article, it's definitely better to add in small increments than in one large edit whenever possible. This is good since it not only makes it easier for people to tell what changes were made, but to also point them out or revert them if needs b

Now when it comes to sourcing, be cautious since not all sources are seen as reliable as far as Wikipedia goes. A lot of this tends to revolve around how the source is seen by other reliable sources (especially academic and scholarly sources), the purpose of the site, what type of editorial oversight and verification is used (as well as how easy it is to discover this information on the site), and so on. The source also has to explicitly state the claim that it's backing up, which is vitally important. Watch out for sites that sell something or stand to profit off of directing someone to a purchase page. Pages that outright sell something (with the exception of paywalled academic and scholarly journals and databases like JSTOR) are almost always not usable as reliable sources. Ones that stand to profit off of directing someone to a purchase site can be iffy, as this will greatly depend on how they're seen and the other elements I mentioned. They're not as typically unusable as an e-commerce site would be, but they should still be examined carefully. Even if they're often seen as reliable off Wikipedia, still use caution since not all places are seen the same way when it comes to Wikipedia. The same thing somewhat goes for galleries as not all galleries are considered to be noteworthy. I do think that the Luhring Augustine Gallery is notable enough for an exhibition with them to generally establish notability at least partly, however exhibiting with them wouldn't be the same as exhibiting with say, MoMa, if that comes across properly. In other words, in order for an exhibition to establish notability on that basis alone the museum or gallery would have to be particularly noteworthy. However that said I don't think that the issue here is notability as much as it's just tone, copyright, and sourcing.

One thing that concerned me as far as the sourcing goes is that the site Wonderwalls was heavily used to back up biographical claims, however it looks like at least some of them aren't actually in the source. For example, the source is used to back up claims about the mother's name and occupation - something that isn't in the source itself. It mentions his father, but not his mother. Other things that aren't actually backed up in the source are things like the date he graduated from university - like with his parents, it confirms one thing (the university) without the date of the degree completion. I'm not going to review everything, but what I've generally experienced as an editor and working with students is that if one source is like this, there are likely others that also have this issue. With some of this it will likely just be as easy as finding a source that does state these things.

Looking at tone, the article does use "you" phrasing, which should be avoided since Wikipedia uses the third person style. Another issue with using "you" is that it not only makes the work sound more casual (and sometimes also non-neutral as a result), it also presumes something of the reader. You can read over this in more depth here. Otherwise as far as tone goes, it looks like the main thing is going to be attribution. Any time it comes to how something can be interpreted or seen, especially with something as subjective as art, the material must be written in a way that these claims are clearly attributed or at the very least, it's clear that this is a viewpoint that is widely held by authorities on the topic. So for example, rather than writing "This is that" the material would be written along the lines of "The artist's work has often been interpreted by scholars to be..." - putting the emphasis on the fact that it's not Wikipedia that holds this viewpoint. You can read more about Wikipedia's voice here.

As far as copyright goes, Bbb23, could I trouble you to highlight the parts that would pose a copyright issue? I'm guessing that this is likely a case of very close paraphrasing? Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:53, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:44, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

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