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National Libraries Day

Hi, Noted that the article on National Libraries Day is marked for deletion. Bit surprised as it is a national event backed by a number of renowned national bodies. Can you advise on what would ensure that this item is not deleted? Thanks. Ijclark76 (talk) 12:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)Ijclark76

• Provide evidence that it is "backed by a number of renowned national bodies" and more importantly, evidence that the mainstream media, newspapers and TV have noticed it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:30, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought I did that by linking to the official site...it has a full list of the organisations backing it. Is that not sufficient? Ijclark76 (talk) 12:38, 30 January 2012 (UTC)Ijclark76

• Of course not! We want links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Please create your user page and declare your interest. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:43, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok, so to clarify an official list of national organisations backing it is not sufficient, I need to provide national newspaper coverage as well? Just to be clear on this. How soon is it likely to be taken down as obviously it is this coming week-end and there is unlikely to be any coverage until later in the week? Thanks for your help, just want to ensure that I can address this appropriately. Ijclark76 (talk) 12:50, 30 January 2012 (UTC)Ijclark76

• Correct: newspaper coverage is what I would like to see. When taken down? National Libraries Day is all about encouraging people to read. I suggest you read the prod notice. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:54, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok, no problem. I'll add them when they are published. I take it BBC local news coverage at this stage doesn't count!? Perhaps I have created it too early. Will re-add after the week-end if required. Thanks for your help. Ijclark76 (talk) 12:58, 30 January 2012 (UTC)Ijclark76

Oh I see, didn't spot that I have a week. In that case it really isn't a problem and should be fine. Thanks again. Ijclark76 (talk) 12:59, 30 January 2012 (UTC)Ijclark76

• Why should BBC local news not count? Put it in - if someone thinks it inappropriate, they will take it out. For example, Nana Afua Antwi thinks the Barking and Dagenham Post is a reliable source. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:09, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

• Well, I did wonder. Wasn't sure how 'important' the source needed to be! I'll amend it at some point today referencing the BBC local news and the Evening Standard. Ijclark76 (talk) 13:18, 30 January 2012 (UTC)Ijclark76

File:Lawshall Swan.JPG

Hi. I have only just started adding photos to my Lawshall pages and have noticed that File:Lawshall Swan.JPG is put forward for deletion. I see it is tagged as "F2. Corrupt or empty image." but wonder what the problem really is so that I can make sure such problems are avoided in the future. Regards Finnish Gas (11:44, 31 January 2012 (UTC)).

• Did you actually read the deletion tag? It says "an image, hosted on Commons, but with tags or information on its English Wikipedia description page that are no longer needed". Surely that is clear enough? You applied a category here on en:, realised your mistake, and applied the tag correctly on the Commons. Your only mistake was that instead of blanking the description here, you should have tagged it {{db-author}} to get it deleted. Incidentally, I consider it a crime to upload geographic images without proper coordinate information. See the gbmapping tag added here (thank goodness for Google Street View!). Geograph would welcome your images - and there they force you to geotag them properly. Incidentally 2: Wikipedians are very verbal people and tend to deprecate articles with too many images. Rather than overload the Lawshall article with even more images, create Commons:Lawshall as an annotated gallery of images of the village. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:02, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks - sorry to be a pain. Finnish Gas (Finnish Gas 12:16, 31 January 2012 (UTC)).

Harper Adams University College

I did considerable editing to the Harper Adams University College on 14/11/11. Most of this has since been undone, with claims of copyright infringement. But it came from our own website and we chose to have the information repeated on Wikipedia. To make matters worse, it was replaced with an inappropriate reference to one of our competitors (possible vandalism). Is it possible to have it restored as per 14/11/11 please? (Communications Manager, Harper Adams) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaclynGreen (talk • contribs) 12:48, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

• Go to the college's website and, on any page where there is text which you wish to use in the article here, place a clear declaration that the text is released under the CC-by-SA 3.0 licence. Place a statement on talk:Harper Adams University College pointing to that licensing. And with every edit you do using such text, mention in the edit summary that you have copied it. But it is better to let others with no COI write about the college - most of the stuff added on 14/11/11 was too long winded anyway for a Wikipedia article. But if you want to restore it to that state, why ask me? Just do it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:01, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Redington (India) Limited

Hello RHaworth, I just now created article Redington (India) Ltd. After writing the article, I decided to move the page to Redington (India) Limited so that acronym for “Ltd” can be avoided. It was then I noticed that “Redington (India) Limited” was created 3 times in Jun 2011 and was deleted every time (A7, G11 & G12). As a result, the name has been blocked from creation. Redington is a public listed company with revenues over $3.4 billion. Since it is listed in two of the biggest stock markets in the world (BSE & NSE), I think there is a clear case for the article to be created and kept. Please review Redington (India) Ltd and should you deem fit, can you please move the page to “Redington (India) Limited”? Many thanks. Cheers AKS (talk) 14:39, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

• As an experienced editor, you should be ashamed of creating an article devoid of links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Expand the article and add some proper references and I will reconsider your request. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

RHaworth, I think you should be ashamed of using foul language on social platform. Please go ahead and delete the article if you think Wikipedia if you personal property. There is a reason why different user levels are created in Wikipedia (like Admin etc) so that less experienced people like me can be guided and administered. If you do not have the character or manners to be an admin; then it is not my fault. It might be worthwhile for you to know that most of the information presented in the article has been taken from the "investor presentation" which is 100% authentic and is filed with the regulator (stock exchange). However, for easy reading (since the investor presentation runs into several dozen pages (and although I have quoted the presentation), I have referenced some parts of article to company website. Cheers AKS (talk) 17:16, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

• "Foul language" indeed - my remarks were well within the limits of parliamentary language. Also I am sorry if you did not recognise that I was giving you positive advice. I feel that you have very grudgingly done the absolute minimum in the hope that I will accept the article. I want to see a more enthusiastic improvement. I have e-mailed you one of the deleted states - it is hopelessly spammy but it will give you an indication that that a decent sized article can be created if you pull your finger out (and I am sure you will call that foul language!). If you get fed up with me, try the other admins who deleted previous states of Redington (India) Limited or simply move the article to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Redington (India) Limited and apply the appropriate AfC tag at the top of it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Dear RHaworth. Let me bring you back you basics. Read point # 4 in Wikipedia:Five pillars. "Respectful and civil manner" - do these words ring a bell???? Expressions like "ashamed" and "pull your figure out" might be acceptable by you as it might be a part of your daily life but certainly not mine. I don’t use them in general conversation; especially once when I am conversing with strangers. Following;
    • "Positive advice": Already taken about significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources.
    • "Grudgingly done the absolute minimum": Who told you that I was doing anything so that you accept the article? I simply added some more independent sources (ref significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources you quoted). Article written by me complies with guidelines and is notable. I don’t have to prove anything to you. But as I said earlier, you want to delete the article - go ahead and do it; why wait for my actions?
    • "I want to see a more enthusiastic improvement": No one writes on Wikipedia as per your guidelines or desires. I will do what the Wiki rule says and if the criteria are met then I don’t have to show my enthusiasm to anyone - you included. What are you - a school teacher & Wikipedia a primary school?
    • "E-mailed you": Received, thanks.
    • "Decent sized article": What exactly is a decent size article & where exactly is "decent size" defined? If you feel that the article size can be expanded then do it yourself. Why tell me? I am not your assistant.
    • "If you get fed up with me": Thanks. I did not know you can read minds too :-)

It is good to see experienced people like you with so much of volunteer work. However it is a real shame & waste that the temperament is not right. For example, in your first message (not talking about the language you used) you actually ended up drawing my attention towards something that I could have done better. However, you made me waste my time and energy (including your own) on writing useless stuff when we could have utilized the same time, energy and effort in something more constructive and meaningful. I am not interested in talking to you any further and am ending my conversation here. CheersAKS (talk) 04:02, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

File:Js-official-logo.png

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect File:Js-official-logo.png. Since you had some involvement with the File:Js-official-logo.png redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Cybercobra (talk) 12:57, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

User:WBJB003

Thanks for acting on that, I felt some action was needed after his post on my talk page, but wasn't quite sure what to do. --AussieLegend (talk) 00:34, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Deleting pictures

If you had actually taken the time to check the websites you would have realised the pictures were free because the websites had released them to the public. However I hold no anger but I just say unto you that all I try to do is make the politicians or artistes of Jamaica more known to the wider public in an attempt at promoting Jamaica. At the same time Wiki develops as a source for information. If you insist on removing harmless pictures that only help to develop pages.... Kudos to you. Bye. -JamaicanMD — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamaicanMD (talk • contribs) 01:25, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

You are a piece of work good sir. Since you love running through my uploads why don't you actually check the internet and do some of your own research... What a waste. You sir are the reason wiki has so little information.

• OK. Let us start with your most recent upload: File:Jamaica Minister of Tourism Wykeham McNeill.jpg. It is totally unsatisfactory to say it was legitimately released to the public. We need sound evidence to that effect, eg. a link the web page where you found it with a clear CC licence on it or an OTRS ticket number. I should not have to do my research - you must provide the evidence for us. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 01:38, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Not sure if that is evidence but I provided the source JIS is free. Also as you can see I am new but I believe Jamaiaca, like any other country needs recognition. The tourism and Prime Minister are vital and two of the most searched politicians by any foreign persons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamaicanMD (talk • contribs) 01:41, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• http://jis.gov.jm states at the bottom the page "© 2012, Jamaica Information Service All rights reserved". Does that look like "free" to you? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 01:50, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Forget it

Ok do whatever you must. I am not used to Wiki procedure I will not argue. If this is the way Wiki admin behave (that is considering you are an admin) then I do not wish to continue here, I hope they find someone else who can contribute as much to Jamaican politicians and artistes as I have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamaicanMD (talk • contribs) 01:47, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• It is not Wikipedia procedure. It is a simple matter of copyright law. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 01:50, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Deletion

Ought user talk pages not be speedied? (U1, G7, RTV). It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 18:09, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

• In general you are correct. But in this case no-one but the user themselves had edited the page so I thought it was valid to delete as "one author who has requested deletion" (G7). — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:14, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

But that's the thing: the G7 paragraph excludes user talk pages from its remit (N.B. I had a similar discussion on this subject recently). It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 18:26, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

• The G7 write-up mentions "including a wish to permanently leave Wikipedia". I think the subject is not worth discussing. But I have restored it for a second opinion. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

In future I would appreciate if you did not refer to me as "someone", or to my messages on your talk page as "moaning". It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 14:40, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

• But you are an admin! It would have been a lot simpler if you had restored the page yourself and simply told me why you had done so. I would probably have accepted the action without comment. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:30, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Sloppy upload

Please await an image's permission before deleting it on the same day for lack of credible permission, as you just did in the case of file:sharks2012.jpg. — WoodyJoe (talk) 17:55, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

• Stop moaning and upload it again with an {{OTRS-pending}} tag. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:14, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Abdolreza Razmjoo

Hello Dear RHaworth article re-create and add new sources, With best wishes. — Farkoh (talk) 22:51, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Pathfinder proficiency

Deletion of file:PATHFINDER PROFICIENCY.jpg from 44 Parachute Brigade (South Africa).

Dear RHaworth, Please can you indicate the correct manner / licencing in which I should upload this badge. It is given to me by the owner of that badge who also helped me collate the content for the 44 Pathfinder Platoon under the same Wiki. Kind regards Smikect 06:05, 8 February 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smikect (talk • contribs)

• Please create links when referring to pages and do not SHOUT even in file names. I am unsure whether it should be treated as a logo (fair use - uploaded here) or a photo (Creative Commons - uploaded to the Commons). Find examples of existing images here of military badges. How are they treated? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:54, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks RHaworth, I'll do that, will load the file name up in different naming format and use commons as the mode for uploading. regards --Smikect 17:14, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Dear RHaworth, I have done as you have mentioned however I want to know how the image can display within Wikipedia and not just the link to an image within Commons. Can you point me to the appropriate code to use? Please advise --Smikect 17:14, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

• First, do the upload properly: go to commons:file:Pathfinder proficiency.jpg (why did you not give me a link to it?) add a desription and put it in some appropriate categories. As to using it: look at 44 Parachute Brigade (South Africa). Some of the images in the Weaponry section are from the Commons - how are they displayed? Please also transfer your other image uploads here to the Commons. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:20, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, will do, will work on it on the weekend and check out how the other emblems under weaponry are displayed using commons, kind regards --Smikect 06:05, 9 February 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smikect (talk • contribs)

Deletion of page?

Hi. I notice on 7th Feb you deleted the Prisoners of Conscience Appeal Fund page. I work for this small charity and I would like to create a page for our organisation as it is our 50th anniversary year and I would like to explain our history etc. I do not think this would be classed as advertising or promotion as other similar organisations such as Amnesty have pages. Please could you put the page back up so I can edit it. Many thanks, Claire Ranyard — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.36.117.250 (talk) 08:59, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• Consider yourself lucky that I am replying - I usually ignore IP address contributions. Deleting your article was an easy decision: I saw the words "we" and "our" and needed to read no further. Have you actually read any Wikipedia articles? My best advice is wait until someone with no COI thinks your fund is notable and writes about it. If you insist on trying to force an article in, try finding a sponsor. But first, actually try and write appropriate text for a Wikipedia article. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Wild West

List of the most famous and infamous people of the American Old West. If you have the time, can you look at this article? I left a msg on the talk page, but no reply. My gut feeling is that this is likely not kosher (vague criteria, Wikipedia as a source, etc), but I would rather have someone more experienced look at it before jumping to any conclusions. Thanks. Dennis Brown (talk) 14:59, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Astronomical calendars in Gotland

See my reply at Talk:Astronomical calendars in Gotland. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 21:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of page

Hi, I noticed you deleted the article about Kamryn Belle. I've read the criteria and changed the article entirely. Can you please check if it's allright now? Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Epicuruswiki (talk • contribs) 16:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

• If you had actually read the criteria you might have seen the words links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review for Nick Pitera

Hi RHaworth. I've opened a deletion review on Nick Pitera, an article you deleted in July 2008. It looks to me like this artist is now clearly covered by mainstream music critics and media, and therefore now meets Wikipedia notability criteria. I've also commented on the Talk page, initially before I realized that the page was under creation protection, and therefore needs an administrator. Cheers. N2e (talk) 21:25, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview

Dear RHaworth, My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

• Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
• Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
• All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
• All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
• The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you. Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you. Sincerely, Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC), Young June Sah --Yjune.sah (talk) 03:45, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Cross Keys

An article that you have been involved in editing, Cross Keys, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. YBG (talk) 05:55, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Editing article titles

What is the proper procedure for fixing errors in article titles? Does the article need to be redirected or recreated with correct title? Some one just recently did this to my article, Blooming Grove High School. Indyjrg1762 (talk) 10:28, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

• Four years here and you still don't know how to fix or know to link to articles from talk pages! This edit should have given you a clue. At the top of every page, to the right of "view history" is a pull-down list. It will offer you a "move" option. (If it seems strange that you should have a one option list, be aware that admins see "delete" and "protect" options as well.) — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:42, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

P. Susheela

Hello RHaworth, I just noted the article P. Susheela.In the article section discography a list of more than 3000 songs of P. Susheela are given. IF you have enough time please go through it. I think there are many errors in the list. Sourodeep25 (talk) 10:53, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

• Done. But why could you not do it? Feel free to put back a strictly limited list of the most notable songs. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:58, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Question about recently speedy deleted article

Please, answer me via e-mail. ♪ anonim.one ♪ 12:15, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello, I am a new user in the English Wikipedia (but I have 2k edits in the Russian Wikipedia) and I have tagged the article "Helen statman" with A1 recently, but:

11:59, 15 February 2012 RHaworth (talk | contribs) deleted Helen statman ‎ (G8: Page dependent on a deleted or nonexistent page)

07:36, 15 February 2012 Seraphimblade (talk | contribs) deleted Helen statman ‎ (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

Could you explain me why was the reason A1 inacceptable? — Anonim.one (talk · contribs) via e-mail

• Why on earth request an answer by e-mail? If you cannot be bothered to watch this page for a reply then you do not deserve a reply. You wanted the article deleted so why nit-pick over the deletion reason? I have no idea why I used G8 for the deletion reason - just a temporary lapse. Certainly your A1 was equally inappropriate - there was plenty of context. The best deletion tag to use was a simple {{db-person}} (A7) - is not that obvious? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:29, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

  Ok, for me it was not so obvious, because I had used SCD only once before. ♪ anonim.one ♪ 17:37, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

• If you are unfamiliar with all the CSDs, then use {{db|reason in your own words}}. Then the deleting admin can decide which code to use (and most of the time will give an appropriate one!). — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:43, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

User:Keku350/Death poem re-written

WIth regards to User:Keku350/Death poem re-written, would you mind undeleting the page - at least, until the user finds an alternative outlet for it? - Mike Rosoft (talk) 17:50, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

• Sorry - no. I have offered to e-mail - that is quite sufficient. But if you re-instate it, I shall take no action until Feb 29. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:53, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
• Looks like the issue has been resolved. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 20:08, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Americarnage

Hello RHaworth. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Americarnage, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: podcasts are not eligible for deletion though A7 - will convert to PROD. Thank you. SmartSE (talk) 21:17, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the template - didn't realise who placed the tag - kind of surprised you didn't know that though. SmartSE (talk) 21:24, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

• Please point me to where it says that podcasts are not eligible for deletion though A7. They are web content ain't they? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:33, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

• • Hmm, I see your point - it's not very clear and I was thinking along the line of it being "other creative works" and therefore not eligible. Sorry if I came across a bit curt and also for not watching your page (I thought I had). SmartSE (talk) 14:07, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

A7

You recently deleted the article, Dunrae manufacturing v C L North under speedy A7. But it is an article about a legal case, and does not fall under the conditions for A7 . (of course the article is not satisfactory without some indication that it is a standard textbook example or major precedent, and I have so advised the author.) Since this is fixable, please restore the article--I'm sure you know this, of course, so I assume it was just an error on your part. When the speedy is an error, I think we must correct errors to give clear advice to the contributor, -- even if there is little chance of the article being accepted at AfD. (I know I have the ability to restore it myself, but I want to ask you first.) DGG ( talk ) 00:14, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

• I could also have deleted it as A1 "not enough context". Restore it if you must but I am certainly not going to bother. (Ain'tcher never heard of IAR?) — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:24, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

IAR implies confidence that essentially everyone in good faith would approve. I never use IAR for CSD, and, for that matter, never approve of anyone else doing so. As it was possible to tell it was a NZ court case, & had a name, there was context. I've asked the contributor in a specific message to provide more information & references & an indication of why it's important for similar articles they've written, & intend to follow up with them. Regardless of the individual article, it sends a wrong message to newcomers to delete for the wrong reason, because then they will not understand the rules. That reason alone should be sufficient to convince you. DGG ( talk ) 16:55, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

User:Walter55000

Re Walter55000 (talk · contribs): I don't think this user learned much after his temporary block: could you please review his contribs and take action if necessary? --Bmusician 13:10, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

• My only hesitation is that we have a policy of encouraging the young. This boy needs to be told very gently to come back when he is older. Trouble is I am not very good at doing gentle. If you write a gentle message on his talk page, I will happily block him for a year. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:11, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Seems fair. --Bmusician 14:31, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

BAFTS

Hello, You deleted my article on BAFTS (British Association for Fairtrade Shops) which I only created a few hours ago. I can't understand why when this is the main body representing fair trade businesses in Britain with over 100 bafts registered retailers in the UK and more joiniong monthly. World Fair Trade Organization (WFTO) has a wikipedia page as do other related fair trade bodies. I made this page because I tried to use wikipedia to find info about BAFTS and it didnt exist. I added relevant links and tried to point out how it was relavant and significant as required by article A7 (to help consumers recognise legitimate fair trade businesses on the high street) what more can I do/ is there a way I can I ressurect it and make it not meet criteria for deletion? Many Thanks Thirteene (talk) 17:18, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

• Please provide proper links when you talk about articles. As to BAFTS: did you think about providing links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources? OK, the WTFO article is equally lacking in that respect but we have got more fussy in the six years since the WFTO article was first submitted. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:03, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Reasons of delition

Dear, Please explain the reason for delition: 00:06, 17 February 2012 RHaworth (talk | contribs) deleted Abhishek kumar Singh ‎ (G4: Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion).

The Artilce talk page was providing all the information of previous AFD and clearly the artilce matched all the noteablity criteria. However I did try to warn the users in advance about the AFD, So what is the problem? At least it could have been nominated for a fair debate. — X*biologist (talk) 01:38, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

• Oh dear, what is LSE coming to - students who cannot spell. There was no problem. It was a piece of blatant self promotion by an officer of a company that is blocked by our spam filter. One AfD discussion was quite sufficient. The references in the new article did not seem any better than the deleted one. You can raised the matter at deletion review but do not get too hopeful. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 02:03, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

User block

This seems somewhat inappropriate to me. You realise, don't you, that Family Integrated Church is not the name of a church, but only have a concept? There are lots of WP editors interested in a particular topic - often their usernames reflect that. StAnselm (talk) 20:11, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

• I did not realise. Since it is the name of a concept, why are you and why was the article spelling it with capital letters? I still think the user name is inappropriate and the user's sole purpose here seems to be to promote A Weed in the Church. But if they put up a good case, an unblock request will receive consideration. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:58, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I spelt it with capital letters per the article name. I created the article as Family integrated church, and then another user moved it to Family Integrated Church, citing MOS:CAPS. StAnselm (talk) 00:39, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for the email. I notice it was word for word the same as this page. StAnselm (talk) 11:02, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm trying to establish a stats table

What is the problem establishing a statistics table for the Wikipedia:WikiProject St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador? The category was created then deleted one minute later? Please advise asap as I'm trying to do this now. Argolin (talk) 09:25, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

• Did you actually look at the title you created. I deleted Editing Category:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador articles by importance and Category:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador articles articles by quality. Try looking at your contributions and editing the right title. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:33, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Ya, but no one gave me even a minute to try to fix anything? Argolin (talk) 09:37, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

• You had eight minutes. In those eight minutes, instead of writing a "do not delete" rationale, you could have moved the page. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:42, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Where did this eight minute time limit come from? I don't set up stats table everyday, so you'll have to forgive the dely. Argolin (talk) 09:52, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

• Please read my message again. Did I say anything about a time limit? I merely said that you had ample time to detect your error and correct it. Having moved the page, you would be allowed all the time in the world to learn about stats tables. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:13, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

My point is eight minutes is ample time? Setting up the table and using it are two different things. When I received notification of the speedy delete, the banner told me to comment on why it shouldn't be deleted: that's what I did but it was deleted anyway. I was surprised when the {{WikiProject Canada}} named the Category:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador articles and omited the Wikiproject. I was under the impression that your category project was not to delete these project classes. Argolin (talk) 05:56, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

• Category:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador articles by importance is a perfectly acceptable page about which I have no complaint. But am talking about Editing Category:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador articles by importance where you had eight minutes warning between speedy tag and deletion. Please confirm that:a) you realise that Editing Category:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador articles by importance is a mistake title and b) the most sensible thing to do when you realised your mistake would have been to move the article instantly and c) write a "do not delete message" of now moved - it is OK on this title is isn't it?. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:51, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Help requested

Hi RHaworth. User talk:Megasonicfan101 is asking for help on his talkpage using {{helpme}} as to why you deleted a page he created. Cheers, benzband (talk) 14:27, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Gamma Trading

Hi RHaworth, Could you please indicate if there is any tutorial to wikipedia article creation? I believe the procedure I used to create gamma trading article was not adequate.

Thank you vm, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Curious apprentice (talk • contribs) 20:22, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

• There are numerous help pages. You could start at Wikipedia:Your first article but possibly more useful would be to find well-established articles related to your subject (which, please note, should be spelled without capitals. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:35, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

12 month block

I noticed that you would block me for a year and comment on my talk page about this because i get nervis when bad comments come up. Walter55000 13:23, 20 feburary 2012 (posted by 72.161.12.108 (talk))

• A twelve month block is very much on the cards. But we would prefer it if you were to stop editing voluntarily until you actually have useful contributions to make. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:02, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Anyway could you help me take out vandalism 21:44, 21 february 2012 (posted by 72.161.12.108 (talk))

• I don't talk to IP addresses and especially not to a block-evading IP address. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:02, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
  • FYI. As 72.161.12.108 (talk), Walter55000 is still messing around on his talk page. Could it be revoked? --Bmusician 12:52, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

what are you thinking about on the 12 month block — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.12.108 (talk) 20:09, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

• I don't talk to IP addresses and especially not to one who claims to have forgotten their user name even though it appears twice above and four times on their talk page. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:07, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

well i started to rembering now can you satrt talking to me?Also give me an update on the 12 month block? 00:07 26 february 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.12.108 (talk) 00:07, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, when you actually log in and sign your message with ~~~~. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:11, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

well i cant log in because dad changed my password. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.12.108 (talk) 02:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Then either ask your dad to change your password back, or create a new account. Editing is not fun without an account! --Bmusician 04:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

i will create a new account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.12.108 (talk) 12:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC) i made walter55024.--Walter55024 (talk) 14:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC) will someone reply?--Walter55024 (talk) 16:48, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you for telling us your new name. Indications so far are not at all promising: you have created two AfC submissions which do not even attempt to assert the notability of their subjects. Your addition to Toy Story 3 will continue to be reverted until you provide good, independent supporting evidence. Personally I will give you a week to prove that you have turned around but do not be surprised if another admin blocks you sooner. As to taking out vandalism, what advice do you want? Just watch new pages and recent changes and you will see plenty to keep you busy. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:10, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

anyway the afc was to get messages and help also can you put a link for a vandalism page?--Walter55024 (talk) 17:29, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

• Did you actually see my links to new pages and recent changes above? The whole point about fighting vandalism is that we need more people to find it. If I see vandalism, I fix it on the spot. I don't pass it on to someone else to fix. An higher proportion of vandalism comes from IP addresses. Here are some examples (all now fixed): unsourced additions: this and this; pure vandalism: this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:42, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Tudor Grange School to Tudor Grange Academy

Hi there - I've been waiting for someone to delete Tudor Grange Academy Worcester so the proposed page move I requested (and the move in the header of this message) can go ahead - why have you move protected the article? Mato (talk) 18:26, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

• Unless there is more than one Tudor Grange School we do not need to add the word Worcester to the title. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:27, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

There are two schools, as I stated in my request: Tudor Grange School is now Tudor Grange Academy; Tudor Grange Academy is now Tudor Grange Academy Worcester. Mato (talk) 18:29, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

• Try it now. The lack of a comma in Tudor Grange Academy Worcester stikes me as affectation. But I am not going to fight over it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:37, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you - yes I agree the comma is in keeping with convention, though the DfE lists the school's name without a comma. Dab page seems to work well, just one problem you misspelled 'Solihull' in the new page name. Thanks. Mato (talk) 18:41, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Siddhānta Shiromani

Hello RHaworth , The template {{Indian mathematics}} contains the name of Bhāskara II but it doesn't include any of his work in the treatise section. I think Siddhānta Shiromani his magnum opus, should be included in the treatise section. Just can't figure out how to do it. Sourodeep25 (talk) 16:41, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

• For goodness sake! What is the problem? Did you not see "v · d · e" at top left of the template? What happens if you click on the "e"? Or why cannot you go to template:Indian mathematics and edit it? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:56, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Redirects that include abbreviations

The deletion of redirects as a result of a page moves for article names that contain the abbreviation does not seem to be consistently applied. See Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2012_February_19#CALM.2C_Campaign_Against_Living_Miserably and the following three entries. Who is "right"? Are there some overly pedantic admins out there? Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:31, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

• I am quite consistent - I usually move without leaving a redirect. I would have done so in the case of TGen Drug Development (TD2) but I could not be bothered to fix the incoming links. (In fact the same argument goes for keeping calm. But there is no reason to keep the other three.) — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:56, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Incoming link now removed from TGen Drug Development (TD2). -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:07, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

• So I've zapped it to prove my point. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:15, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
  • YAY!! bzzzt, bzzzt... KAZAPP! -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:18, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Monetary annexation

My article on Monetary Annexation got deleted, and I think you deleted it(?). I am very new to Wikipedia, so I hope I am doing this correctly. As I understand it, my article got deleted under the speedy deletion process and you were the person who deleted it. I guess, what now? I think it got labeled as being "promotional". That was not my intent. I just think it is a really nifty idea (my enthusiasm may have been misinterpreted as endorsement(?)). I have also found that it is a rare concept, and even a rare name for it. I recently went to a conference where it was talked about, though people were generally not familiar with the name. Thus, I figured that there was a group of people that were interested in this knowledge, and I had the knowledge, so I posted it. Being my first article, I am sure my presentation was lacking and I didn't have many links. I tried to find some real quick because I heard that if you don't have links it looks like you are making something up. Did I not find enough, or did you not like the ones I had? Just let me know what I can do to get the page back. Thanks, LCM — Preceding unsigned comment added by LawrenceChesterManning (talk • contribs) 17:30, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

• Whaddya mean "think" I deleted it. What does the log say? OK, perhaps is what inappropriate to delete as spam but it certainly read like original research / hopeless neologism (which you in fact admit). It was also written in very poor English. If you can actually produce a comprehensible version supported by reliable sources, feel free to submit via AfC. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:42, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Deleted article - As Blood Runs Black

As Blood Runs Black. I'm trying to either create a new version of this article, or restore a previous version that was deleted. The original article was deleted as the band hadn't done much, and seemed destined to fold. They have since gone on to release their second album, and are as notable as many of the other bands on wikipedia. Can a previous version of the article be restored for me to update? Duncan3dc (talk) 20:55, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

• I am certainly not going to restore an article that has been deleted eight times on the strength of a totally unreferenced article about their second album. I will gladly e-mail you the text but read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:31, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm not asking for it to be restored on the strength of an unreference article about their second album, I'm asking for it to be restored as it meets 2 of the criteria specified by WP:BAND that I added to your talk page and you removed [1]. Why is this band not considered notable? Having said that yes I would appreciate you emailing me the text, thanks Duncan3dc (talk) 08:18, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

• Did you read this? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:36, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
• Apologies, I thought I'd checked the box, should be done now Duncan3dc (talk) 16:20, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

ScholarPRO

Why was this article deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by YakovKagan (talk • contribs) 21:19, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

• Go to the page that told you that I had deleted it and read what it says after my name. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:39, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	you do good taking out vandalism.could you help me with it? reply on my talk page. Walter55024 (talk) 16:02, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for the barnstar. You are clearly watching this page so why do you want a reply elsewhere? I have replied above. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:10, 26 February 2012 (UTC)