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Luther BurbankEdit


I am new here, please forgive any poor etiquete on my behalf. I wasnt sure how else to communicate with you, hence this post. Another user was kind enough to inform me that my edit to the Luther Burbank page had all or part removed due to copyright infringement. I can understand that, however, I am hoping you might be so kind as to enlighten me with any potential knowledge concerning the following items:

1) My original edit is not an acyive link, while thd othrts were, can you possibly explain this dichotomy?

2) Could you possibly inform me how much of the original quote I can use under the fair use act, how many quotes I may use from the same author and what specifically was wrong with the quotation I posted.

3) Can you please explain why the rest of the non copyrighted information I posted was removed, INCLUDING the information regarding his membership in a Eugenics Society that was included before my edits?

If I obtain permission from Mr. Edwin Black (or his publisher), the SF Chronicle & the current copyright holder of Mr.Burbanks book which I quoted, could I then repost my origjnal edits, albeit properly credited?

Being a HIGHLY respected man of influence, Mr. Burbank's involvement and approval of Eugenics had a SIGNIFICANT impact on countless lives, not go menyion Adolph Hitler & coinyless millions who went along with him. Not including this VITAL aspect of HISTORY, further opening doors for it to potentially be repeated...

Hopefully you can help me find a more acceptable method of conveying this within the bounds of your rules, the idea of this site being user editable, protecting free speach and not whitewashing history to find a compromise between all or none..

Thank you very much for your assistance. This is the very best user name of them all (talk) 04:07, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

@This is the very best user name of them all: Hi, Thanks for asking and thanks for adding the information as this does seem to be something important left out of the biography previously. If by "not an active link" you mean [1] it is because the text you added was copy and pasted from the source and was deleted as a result. You can use some under fair use but it's rarely appropriate to include large sections of text copied from a source regardless of copyright - we want to summarise sources for our readers not just copy them. In the case of the SF Chronicle source, I reviewed it but I could not see Burbank mentioned anywhere in it. You can't link him to Hitler if no published sources have made this link, This is the information that I kept from your original edit and made some further changes to, which show that Burbank's interest in eugenics has been discussed in multiple sources. There is undoubtedly more that could be added e.g. [2], but it must be consistent with what others have written about him. If as you claim here his involvement in eugenics had a significant impact on others then you need to present sources confirming this specifically, and not two sets of sources, one that links Burbank and eugenics and another linking eugenics to atrocities. Hopefully that covers your questions, but if not please let me know. SmartSE (talk) 07:26, 3 July 2019 (UTC)


Looks like we pushed full protect at the same time on Janis Joplan. -- ferret (talk) 16:56, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Massimo BoninsegniEdit

Hello, I appreciate your comment but I am entirely in disagreement; I therefore restored the text that you have removed and would ask you not to continue to remove it because it seems to me that you are acting based on your opinion and interpretation of policies. Policies serve most of the time as mere guidelines, and ought not be interpreted in an overreaching way which may de facto render them counterproductive. While it is certainly reasonable to discourage individuals from writing about themselves, ultimately the decision of whether some content is appropriate or not should focus on its accuracy. I have never requested to have a Wikipedia page about myself, nor was I the person creating it -- I have absolutely no problem with it being removed altogether if need be. However given that someone thought at some point that there should be one, as long as it is out there I think I should be allowed to put out about me whatever information I deem relevant and useful. The notion that information about me should be withheld until someone else says something (possibly inaccurate), in which case I should intervene and correct it, is downright bizarre. Details regarding dual citizenship and personal beliefs are often deemed relevant and of interest, which is why I routinely see them on other pages. Massimods (talk 21:13, 21 August 2019 (UTC)


Thanks for your work on this--I do indeed find it odd that anyone would have invested-- or knowingly spent-- money on this. I'm intrigued enough that I am going to some looking around myself. DGG ( talk ) 01:39, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@DGG: No problem and indeed it's an interesting topic! Not sure if this an RS, but this somehow links it to the plight of academic librarians which seems like quite the coincidence! I only had a brief look for sources yesterday, but I am sure there are more out there since the company shutdown in 2017. SmartSE (talk) 10:24, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Though not aa RS for notability , it does indicate general awareness of the device, and a realization of its (unintended) significance. My own career, tho, was spent in a library with a well-deserved international reputation for old-fashioned stodginess. But it also gave the individual unit heads great autonomy., so I had an excellent opportunity to experiment. DGG ( talk ) 14:52, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Crayon DataEdit

Thank you for leaving a message for the Crayon Data Page that was created by me. To answer your question, no i'm not being compensated by anyone. I've always been wanting to be a contributor on Wikipedia page and found that Crayon Data was an up and coming organization. I was inspired to create a page because of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arvindl1989 (talkcontribs) 04:12, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

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Advice on topic banEdit

Hello, as someone who took part in the original discussion, could you advise, please? Nemo 09:21, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

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