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Portals WikiProject update #018, 04 Sept 2018

Bug hunt!

As you know, portals are now supported by a number of new templates, which are in turn supported by some new Lua modules.

Those templates and modules are being put to the test, in the new portals that have been created since this WikiProject rebooted, plus a number of existing portals that have been revamped.

The new portals, and revamped ones, can be found at Category:Single-page portals.

Please browse the new portals at your leisure, and report any and all problems that you spot. Post bug and other portal problem reports at WT:WPPORTD. Please report bugs, quirks, awkward aspects, or anything weird or off that you notice. Compliments and suggestions are also welcome. :)

When you report a bug, please indicate the portal's name, the section that the problem appeared in, and the name of the article appearing (first) in the section with the problem. Most problems will likely be encountered in the Selected general articles" section, due to quirks in a displayed article's wikicode that the lua modules don't handle yet. Your help in spotting those is of utmost value. Thank you.

Don't delete portal subpages just yet

For portals that have been converted to the single-page design, we are not deleting their subpages at this time, because we are working on ways to harvest the data from those pages. For example, the Selected picture subpages include filenames and captions that would be valuable for the image slideshows. Please don't delete portal subpages, for now. They'll be slated for d-batch speedy deletion after harvesting. Thank you.

Development notes

We are currently testing a feature added to {{Transclude files as random slideshow}} that allows it to accept both sourcepages and filenames. Courtesy of Evad37. This will pave the way for harvesting files and their captions from portal subpages, for use in image slideshows.

We need your help

The bulk of the work is being done by a handful of editors. But we can't do it all. We need help with spotting bugs, refining the search parameters in new/revamped portals (in the "Did you know..." and "In the news" sections), adding images to slideshows for a broader selection (they default to showing the images on the root article page but are capable of showing so much more), adding panoramic pictures at the top of the intro section of region portals (cities, counties, states, provinces, countries, continents, and other regions), to name but a few task types.

It is rewarding to be a part of the growing portal phenomenon. And you get to see its expansion and refinement up close.

Feel free to join in on the fun. ;)

Thank you,    — The Transhumanist   06:54, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Re Fred Viner

My sources are from Ancestry, so birth registration and the Census returns. What would be the best way to reference these?

Andy Scott (talk) 08:25, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, AndyScott. You're going to have a bit of a problem, with the Fred Viner article I fear. I don't think Ancestry.com is regarded as a Reliable Source, whilst original archives like birth certificates, unless published on a reliable non-user-edited website, can't really be used, though I might use a simple footnote to explain the source of birth certificate information and not worry too much about relative trivia.

Archives like these are incidental to the absolute need to establish Notability, which your article still doesn't (see WP:ARTIST). If you could encourage Richmond Art Gallery to publish a biography of him on their website, you might have a chance to cite at least one reliable source about him. To prevent the article being put to a deletion discussion, it might be best if I were to convert it back to a draft for you (?) Or you could keep it in your sandbox to work on until such time as you can show how he meets the criteria. (The former, if unedited for 6 months will be deleted, whilst the latter route can stay there as long as you want it). I was reminded of a local Derby artist whose works are in the Museum I used to be employed at (- see Ernest Townsend). Take a look at that article and see if there's any approach taken there that you can follow. If Viner didn't exhibit at major galleries, or was not recognised in some other way, I suspect he'll just remain one of those competent local artists who won't warrant an article here. Sorry about that. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:32, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

greetings

hello how is yo day --Ndyanaboandrew (talk) 06:42, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Ndyanaboandrew. Welcome to Wikipedia. How are you finding it so far? I see you've started by working in Draft:Shaka Ssali. Good luck with that. Actually, creating a new article is one of the very hardest tasks a new editor can do. So don't be disheartened if you run into problems. Do look at similar articles to your draft, and try to match their style of writing, especially noting that every fact about a person must be provable by your insertion of a published reference to a reliable source. I'll drop by in a moment and leave you a welcome message containing a load of useful links to our help and guideline pages. Any problems - just come to the Teahouse and seek help from one of the hosts there. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

And that's why I couldn't do TEAHOUSE

	Teahouse Barnstar
	Your work in the Teahouse yesterday - that's truly phenomenal and at least this work shouldn't go unrecognised Nosebagbear (talk) 23:19, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Tea

Welcome, Thank you for following the teahouse. Regards Chickeo 09:30, 14 september 2018 (UTC)

@Chickeo: You're welcome. I've been a host at the Teahouse for nearly a year, and am happy to help or advise others. (I also welcome being helped whenever I get stuck, too!) I sense that you probably already know how to edit here, but haven't yet made any edits to articles. Maybe you've done that under another username before? (I was confused by your first edit relating to being blocked). Either way, I'd suggest you create your userpage and just say a couple of lines about your interests and plans to edit here. And then try your hand at making minor edits to articles that interest you (like grammar or spelling corrections/precising/adding references etc.) I'll keep an eye on your first few contributions and let you know how you're doing, if you like. Do have a go at The Wikipedia Adventure, which is a fun interactive way to learn the basics of contributing here, and there are 15 badges to collect along the way. (They automatically get added to your userpage, with a welcome message posted on your talkpage, too).

It is worth me just adding that, in the event that you created this account to avoid a 12 hour block on another account, that would be a real mistake. Avoiding blocks by using another account is regarded quite dimly here, and can lead to permanent blocks to all accounts, and it's worth just sitting things out. Operating two accounts at once is not an acceptable practice, I'm afraid. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:00, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you and welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chickeo (talk • contribs) 10:04, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

AWB task request: please help with the backlog

Hey...

If you have AWB laying around, please dust it off and crank it up! ;)

We have a growing backlog!

There are now 538 portals. Of those, 52 are of the new design.

Many of the new portals are orphaned or near orphaned, and need links pointing to them:

1. A portal link at the bottom of corresponding navigation footer template. E.g., Template:Machines for Portal:Machines. See examples of a portals link at the bottom of Template:Robotics and Template:Forestry.
2. A {{Portal}} box in the See also section of the corresponding root article for each portal. If there is no See also section, create one and place the portal template in that. (Rather than placing them in an external links section -- they're not external links).
3. A {{Portal}} template placed at the top of the category page corresponding to each portal.

To make a list of corresponding templates, you can use AWB's make list feature to make a list of the pages in Category:Single-page portals. Then you copy that list to a sandbox, and replace \nPortal: with ]]\n* [[Template:, using WP:wikEd. That will give you a list of templates to work on. Then you set skip in AWB to skip the ones that already have the portal link.

To make a list of corresponding root articles, make a list of portal links, and then remove "Portal:" from the links.

To make a list of category links to process, make sure you use a leading colon (:) in the category links, like this: [[:Category:Blue Öyster Cult]].

All new and revamped portals can be found at Category:Single-page portals.

Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   20:44, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018

Hello Nick Moyes, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

The New Page Feed currently has 2700 unreviewed articles, up from just 500 at the start of July. For a while we were falling behind by an average of about 40 articles per day, but we have stabilised more recently. Please review some articles from the back of the queue if you can (Sort by: 'Oldest' at Special:NewPagesFeed), as we are very close to having articles older than one month.

Project news

• The New Page Feed now has a new "Articles for Creation" option which will show drafts instead of articles in the feed, this shouldn't impact NPP activities and is part of the WMF's AfC Improvement Project.

As part of this project, the feed will have some larger updates to functionality next month. Specifically, ORES predictions will be built in, which will automatically flag articles for potential issues such as vandalism or spam. Copyright violation detection will also be added to the new page feed. See the projects's talk page for more info.

• There are a number of coordination tasks for New Page Patrol that could use some help from experienced reviewers. See Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Coordination#Coordinator tasks for more info to see if you can help out.

Other

• A new summary page of reliable sources has been created; Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources/Perennial sources, which summarizes existing RfCs or RSN discussions about regularly used sources.

Moving to Draft and Page Mover

• Some unsuitable new articles can be best reviewed by moving them to the draft space, but reviewers need to do this carefully and sparingly. It is most useful for topics that look like they might have promise, but where the article as written would be unlikely to survive AfD. If the article can be easily fixed, or if the only issue is a lack of sourcing that is easily accessible, tagging or adding sources yourself is preferable. If sources do not appear to be available and the topic does not appear to be notable, tagging for deletion is preferable (PROD/AfD/CSD as appropriate). See additional guidance at WP:DRAFTIFY.
• If the user moves the draft back to mainspace, or recreates it in mainspace, please do not re-draftify the article (although swapping it to maintain the page history may be advisable in the case of copy-paste moves). AfC is optional except for editors with a clear conflict of interest.
• Articles that have been created in contravention of our paid-editing-requirements or written from a blatant NPOV perspective, or by authors with a clear COI might also be draftified at discretion.
• The best tool for draftification is User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js^(info). Kindly adapt the text in the dialogue-pop-up as necessary (the default can also be changed like this). Note that if you do not have the Page Mover userright, the redirect from main will be automatically tagged as CSD R2, but in some cases it might be better to make this a redirect to a different page instead.
• The Page Mover userright can be useful for New Page Reviewers; occasionally page swapping is needed during NPR activities, and it helps avoid excessive R2 nominations which must be processed by admins. Note that the Page Mover userright has higher requirements than the NPR userright, and is generally given to users active at Requested Moves. Only reviewers who are very experienced and are also very active reviewers are likely to be granted it solely for NPP activities.

List of other useful scripts for New Page Reviewing

Twinkle provides a lot of the same functionality as the page curation tools, and some reviewers prefer to use the Twinkle tools for some/all tasks. It can be activated simply in the gadgets section of 'preferences'. There are also a lot of options available at the Twinkle preferences panel after you install the gadget. In terms of other gadgets for NPR, HotCat is worth turning on. It allows you to easily add, remove, and change categories on a page, with name suggestions. MoreMenu also adds a bunch of very useful links for diagnosing and fixing page issues. User:Equazcion/ScriptInstaller.js(info): Installing scripts doesn't have to be complicated. Go to your common.js and copy importScript( 'User:Equazcion/ScriptInstaller.js' ); into an empty line, now you can install all other scripts with the click of a button from the script page! (Note you need to be at the ".js" page for the script for the install button to appear, not the information page) User:TheJosh/Scripts/NewPagePatrol.js(info): Creates a scrolling new pages list at the left side of the page. You can change the number of pages shown by adding the following to the next line on your common.js page (immediately after the line importing this script): npp_num_pages=20; (Recommended 20, but you can use any number from 1 to 50). User:Primefac/revdel.js(info): Is requesting revdel complicated and time consuming? This script helps simplify the process. Just have the Copyvio source URL and go to the history page and collect your diff IDs and you can drop them into the script Popups and it will create a revdel request for you. User:Lourdes/PageCuration.js(info): Creates a "Page Curation" link to Special:NewPagesFeed up near your sandbox link. User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/deletionFinder.js: Creates links next to the title of each page which show up if it has been previously deleted or nominated for deletion. User:Evad37/rater.js(info): A fantastic tool for adding WikiProject templates to article talk pages. If you add: rater_autostartNamespaces = 0; to the next line on your common.js, the prompt will pop up automatically if a page has no Wikiproject templates on the talk page (note: this can be a bit annoying if you review redirects or dab pages commonly).

Go here to remove your name if you wish to opt-out of future mailings. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:11, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Stop using bad language

WP:DENY
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Maybe I have not seen that page that doesn't mean I am blind.Stop accusing people.How would you feel if I call you blind?Do not use bad language.Kigagan (talk) 13:05, 17 September 2018 (UTC) Hey, Kigagan. Chill, my friend. Me saying Maybe you have biscuit-blindness? was my failed attempt at being humorous with you at the Teahouse. It clearly backfired, so as I've obviously offended you by that, I'm only too happy to apologise. Sorry. Would you like me to 'strike' out my comment to you, which is the Wikipedia way of retracting something said? Just let me know. (I must confess that I don't know why you accuse me of using 'bad language' - normally we take that phrase to mean offensive or obscene words, which I most definitely did not deploy, nor would it be appropriate for any Teahouse host to use.) The offer to send you that shed-load of additional helpful links to get you started still stands - again, just let me know. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:10, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

This editor has been blocked as a sock puppet. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:34, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Nothing really

1. The 2605.IP sounds the same as the guy further up the page (Teahouse).

2. I did change back an edit from 3 years ago, but it was 10 paragraphs in; not like the Madonna one. I’d still rather report, and let someone “higher up” fix it.

3. Long Answer! Thanks.

4. Pink Floyd fan? I l-o-o-o-v-e Interstellar Overdrive. MBG02 (talk) 09:25, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi MBG02. You're welcome. Yep, 2605 seems to me trying to insinuate themselves everywhere at the moment, often with poor advice, sadly. You shouldn't be afraid of correcting things that seem wrong to you. Just leave a brief edit summary and even if you've messed it up, it'll be appreciated that your edits are in good faith. That said, if you want someone to correct a page you're wary of altering, it's best to raise it on the article's talk page - though the Teahouse is always there to offer you reassurance or guidance. I'm afraid some of my answers can indeed get a bit lengthy - but I try to assist as best I can. Shorter answers come from my mobile; those longer ones with accidental double spaces in the text are from my ageing laptop and naff keyboard. Pink Floyd - well, whilst not a mega-fan, I have always loved them, since sitting in my uni dormitory in the late 1970s, listening to Echoes, my mind envisaging ancient flying creatures soaring high over desolate Martian landscapes and reddening sunsets. And not a drug in sight! Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:16, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Helleria brevicornis review

Thank you for your review of Helleria brevicornis:

Interesting article. But please be aware that it is NOT acceptable behaviour to hijack a pre-existing page which is already a redirect from a similarly named genus, even if it's a synonym or nom illegit. This can disrupt pre-existing links. I think you should have created a new page - e.g. Helleria (woodlouse) - and redirected from that, as per WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA. You were also wrong to assert in your edit summary that the plant genus was Helleri. (see this). BTW: This article could make a good WP:DYK, if you fancy it, as there's an interesting hook to it.

I really appreciate it, in future I will submit any new articles directly for review before publishing as is standard, that should prevent any policy breaches.
The assertion that plant genus was Helleri is a really serious mistake on my part based on a lazy search, I'm not sure what I was thinking at the time.
With regards to WP:DYK, the hook is what made me decide to write the article in the first place, but I reckon the prose of the article is ~600 characters with spaces at the moment and I don't think I can take it to the requisite 1500 without resorting to overly-detailed descriptions of H. brevicornis anatomy. I am planning to add to the article with information regarding maintenance of subsociality through coprophagy but that will be a line or two at most. I also can't seem to find any images of this woodlouse that don't have a non-commercial license...
Thanks again and best regards Edit-pi (talk) 14:15, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Edit-pi: Thanks for getting back to me. My apologies if my review feedback seemed unduly terse. I reckon you could easily get that article up to 1500 words, and I'll happily add in a section on Distribution for you if you want to put in the work to bring it up to DYK level, as there is a good article by Gentile et al which I will add for you. I don't think you need to go through AFC for another taxonomic article that the New Page review process is usually adequate to pick up any errors or weaknesses. Keep up the good work. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:59, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Edit-pi: I've now got it up to just under 1,800 characters! So, over to you if you fancy submitting it to WP:DYK. You've got 5 days left to do so, though once it's submitted, there's nothing to stop you further tweaking it. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:58, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks for the edits and support. Your encouragement motivated me to spend some more time on the article. Please go through it once more if you have time. I'll be submitting for DYK review in the next couple of days.
ps I rewrote your edit, I hope you don't mind.
Thanks again Edit-pi (talk) 21:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Edit-pi: Of course I don't mind you rewording my hastily dictated edits. I'm chuffed you want to put it forward for DYK. It'll be nice to see a real woodlouse on the main page! My only two comments are a) to suggest you tidy up the External links, helping users understand what they're being offered. One of them could be something like "Photos of H. brevocornis (in French). b) You could consider contacting one of the sites holding images of the species and ask if the copyright holder would be willing to upload one of their pictures (low res will do) to Wikimedia Commons. I did this for Syracosphaera azureaplaneta and actually had some success! Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:51, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Syracosphaera azureaplaneta

@Nick Moyes: Just to let you know: I have nominated the article for DYK and posted here in hope of an suitable photo. We'll see how it goes. Edit-pi (talk) 07:47, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Well done on both counts, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:21, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

@Edit-pi: Hey, congrats on getting your DYK on the Main Page today. A promising start for a great new editor! Nick Moyes (talk) 23:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm working on Talk:Woodlouse#Rewrite_2018 now. Would appreciate any help or advice. Edit-pi (talk) 01:33, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

"Looking to hire a Pro to teach me 1 on 1" - your Teahouse reply

Hello Nick, just checking but did you miss a "not" in your last sentence of this Teahouse post by chance? "... it's good that you have your own website to promote yourself, as that's most definitely [not] what Wikipedia is here to do ..." seems the intended meaning - or my non-native English failed me once again :). I'd fix it myself, but usually try to avoid any changes in meaning of other editors' posts. GermanJoe (talk) 22:34, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

@GermanJoe: Thank you so much for this note. Yes, total cock-up that I hadn't spotted in that tiny omission. I hope the editor was out singing for Donald Trump or someone and hadn't already read it! Now fixed. Vielen Dank! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:44, 20 September 2018 (UTC)  

Help request

HELLO NICK!!!! I am new on Wikipedia and pretty sure you are the best editor to support me in creating a new article. In your description you told you would love to work with woman and write a woman's biography. That's really perfect to me !!!I would appreciate if you could write me an E-Mail to : nataliemunchen@hotmail.de Gonna update you with futher details. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Munichlife (talk • contribs)

I have replied on your own talk page at User talk:Munichlife. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:41, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #019, 22 Sept 2018

Portals progress report

Don't blink. You might miss something.

As of a few days ago, portals had doubled in about a month and a half.

Also, there were 98 incompleted portals in Category:Portals under construction. Now there are just 43.

The WikiProject page has been thoroughly revised

The goals, plans, and task sections have all been updated.

Orphaned portals need a home...

Many new portals are still orphans, and need links pointing to them:

1. A portal link at the bottom of corresponding navigation footer template. E.g., Template:Machines for Portal:Machines. See examples of a portals link at the bottom of Template:Robotics and Template:Forestry.
2. A {{Portal}} box in the See also section of the corresponding root article for each portal. If there is no See also section, create one and place the portal template in that. (Rather than placing them in an external links section -- they're not external links).
3. A {{Portal}} template placed at the top of the category page corresponding to each portal.

All new and revamped portals can be found at Category:Single-page portals.

Portal:Contents/Portals

This is the main list of portals.

Nearly 2,000 of the new portals need to be listed here.

They can be found at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet. Instructions are included there.

Customized Portal Rating system is now in place

Portals now have a new rating system of their own designed specifically to support portal evaluation! We were trying to use the standard assessment system for articles, but that doesn't fit portals very well.

Many thanks to Evad37, Waggers, AfroThundr3007730, SMcCandlish, Tom, BrendonTheWizard, and Pbsouthwood for their work and input on this.

The new system can be found at the top of all portal talk pages, in the WikiProject portals box. Those with "???" ratings need to be assessed, which makes up most of the older portals.

Most of the new portals were started out with an initial "Low" level of importance when their talk pages were created. Those deserving higher importance should be promoted as you come across them.

Improving the new portals

The starting point for new portals included minimal parameters and content, in the form of default values in the template(s) used for their creation.

Embellishing embedded search strings

So, for the search strings in the "Did you know..." and "In the news" sections, this was the magic word {{PAGENAME}}, which represents the portal's name. Unfortunately, the resulting term is alway capitalized, which limits its effectiveness as a search string for anything but proper nouns. Results for those two sections can be improved, by replacing the "PAGENAME" magic word with multiple search strings, and search strings that begin with lower case letters. There is no inherent limit as to how many search parameters may be included. Lua search notation is used. The more general the subject, the more subtopic search terms you may want to include. For example, on Portal:Avengers (comics), {{PAGENAME}} turned up nothing. But, when more parameters were added, as in the wikicode below...

{{Transclude selected recent additions | {{PAGENAME}} | Iron Man | Spiderman | Antman | Hawkeye | The Hulk | Incredible Hulk | David Banner | Captain America | Scarlet Witch | Black Widow | Tony Stark | Nick Fury | Age of Ultron | Infinity War | months=36 | header={{Box-header colour|Did you know... }}|max=6}}

... that returned several results in the portal's DYK section.

Be sure you make the improvements to both the DYK section and the "In the news" section, as they both require the search strings.

Expanding the slideshow contents

The default starting selection for the image slideshow in most new portals is whatever images happen to be in the corresponding root article (via the PAGENAME magic word). You can improve image slideshows by adding more sourcepages and filenames as parameters in the "Selected images" section of portals.

See Template:Transclude files as random slideshow/doc for instructions.

More exciting things are to come...

Portals used to take about 6 hours or more to create. Now, for subjects that have particular navigation support, we've got that down to about one minute each, with even more content displayed than ever. True, that means the new portals pick you, rather than the other way around. Creating a specific portal that doesn't happen to have the requisite navigation support is still pretty time consuming. But, we are working on extending our reach beyond the low-hanging fruit.

And efforts are ongoing to keep shaving time off of the creation process. Eventually, we may get it down to seconds each.

In addition to improving automation, we're always looking for new features and improvements that we can add to portals, and there is plenty of potential to expand on the standard design so that new portals are even better right out of the starting gate. Additional designs are also possible.

On the horizon, there are many more portals waiting to be created. And we can expect to see at least a few more section types emerge. I never expected slideshows, for example, especially not for excerpts. Who knows where innovation will take us next?

Keep up the great work everyone.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   07:08, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Greetings and inquiry

Hi Nick Moyes I hope you had a great weekend. I am here to ask how i can go about making a reference not to appear twice in the reference list. I have seen a couple of article where one source appears twice. In short I want to know how one source can be put have one number on the reference list and just be a,b,c,d if it has been used on more than one occasion in the article content 6Packs (talk) 19:06, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi 6Packs. An interesting weekend - rather emotional, in fact - having just returned from taking my daughter off to start a new life at University today. So quite momentous for us, really. I hope yours was good, too. Anyway, thanks for asking about references. There's a really helpful guide to all things referency at WP:REFBEGIN, and in it there's this section on using one reference in more than one place. Let me know how you get on with it. Should your reference be to a book, and you want to reference different pages in different references, there's a cool trick which uses the template {{rp}}. If you click that link you'll see the guidance on using that element, too. But it's always better to duplicate references than to have none at all! Just shout if you have problems, and include a link to any page you're working on. (Oh, I should also add that if you're using the Visual Editor, rather than the more complex-looking Source Editor, there's an option within the cite took to 'reuse' a reference. But (very annoyingly) there's currently no way to designate your own 'refname' unless you first allocate one in Source Editor.) Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:40, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Nick Moyes I hope you get used to not having her around. Thank you, I just wanted to know how to deal with such cases especially when I encountered two on the new pages log earlier today 6Packs (talk) 22:34, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

October 2018 at Women in Red

		Please join us... We have four new topics for Women in Red's worldwide online editathons in October! New: Clubs Science fiction + fantasy STEM The Mediterranean Continuing: #1day1woman Global Initiative
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Image rights

Hello Nick Thank you for your inputs, they brought me questions I was not aware. My intent was to upload an image of a monument using one post stamp issued in Romania, so I don' t know if there are protected rights, I believe not. I understood your procedures to upload, but still don't know if there is a limit for the size (pixels) of a jpg file (this is what I meant by "standards" on picture. If there are no objections, I will try to edit the article with an image upload. Thank you Lfifaria

Hi, Lfifaria. (I've moved your post to the bottom of my talk page, as that's where all new posts should go -oh, and don't forget to sign each one with four keyboard tildes (like this: ~~~~, please). OK, I'm no expert on Wikimedia Commons images. But there's no size limit you should be worried about. But I see no point in supplying a massive 10Mb file of a tiny stamp! A 700x 1000 pixel image should be fine, I'd have suggested. What I don't,. didn't know is anything about copyright of a country's stamp images - that could be a question you'd have to ask at Wikimedia Commons, or look for similar images of Romanian stamps and see how others have dealt with licencing. Hold on - I've just found the answer for you. Visit C:Category:Stamps of Romania and you'll see a notice saying they're all public domain there. So that's good news! I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:37, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Wolverhampton Art Gallery GLAM project

Hi Nick, Thanks for your advice over at the treehouse earlier. I phoned the gallery, the person I spoke to was a little weary at first but after I explained that I could potentially improve the pages of some of their exhibitors they became very obliging. I have been given a couple of email addresses and will be drafting an email either later tonight or tomorrow. Is there anything, in particular, I need to put in the email? I am also open to the idea of QRpedia and happy to suggest it to them. Best wishes Albrighton Titon (talk) 16:14, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Albrighton Titon. That's great news. Did you mean weary or wary? I imagine the latter. Many of my colleagues, as I think I mentioned, seem surprisingly wary of Wikipedia, yet it's free work done for them, in a popular, accessible format on the 5th most visited website in the world. The things to avoid saying in any email is suggesting they release their images to Wikimedia Commons - that really tends to put curators off, so focus on knowledge and information. Point out that Wikipedia can only accept factual information that's backed up by reliable sources that are available for people to access and to fact-check for themselves. So, if they're willing to meet with you and talk about what resources they have and that they'd let you come in an look it, you could help them (for free) to publicise one or more of their lesser known local artists. I wouldn't mention to start with, but you could link, or mention, the GLAM page we did for Derby Museum back in 2011. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Derby There's a list of outcomes of the project, very little of which required people coming into our Museum to access our archives because so much was done remotely, but we (Derby Museum, that is ) gave them the kickstart, and we got the benefit from it. (The Museum even got mentioned by Jimmy Wales during a talk he gave in America).

What I'd simply suggest you say is that it would be good to explore the potential of working to improve awareness of aspects of their collections. You could gently suggest that they might like to spend five minutes beforehand, thinking about which artists or individual paintings they believe are significant, but overlooked, in their collections and/or website, and invite them either to list a few names for you, or even to check on Wikipedia themselves and note down what's there (if anything), and what they'd like to see improved. Then you'd have a starting point to work from. But remember if you give staff too much homework to do before they meet with you, they might feel more wary of getting involved. (We love volunteers, but we're all already far too overworked and with limited resources. So make it obvious when you meet them that it would not involve them in any significant work at all, but could give them wider awareness of local artists. The thing to stress when you meet with them that museums and galleries all round the world have been working with Wikipedians for over 10 years, including the British Museum (see Hoxne hoard as a superb collaborative venture), and that you'd be offering to do the work, but that they only need to steer you towards the best topics, based on their own library and archives. The article on Derby collector Alfred E. Goodey and on Harold Gresley are just two examples amongst many of where new articles on notable Derby artists were created through this cooperation.

One thing to remember - and possibly point out if it comes up - is that Wikipedia is still strict on verifiability but doesn't readily accept original museum archives as reference sources. Despite us curators regarding our archives as invaluable, these aren't readily accessible to other people who want to verify what has been said on Wikipedia. So, whilst the museum might have some fantastic paper notes or diaries in its archives from some local artist, as a Wikipedian you wouldn't be able to cite these directly. But the wonderful way around that problem, should it ever arise, is to encourage the museum to publish a page/article/pdf on its own website based upon that material, which, because a museum website is regarded as a reliable source, you or other editors would then be able to cite on Wikipedia.

If I think of anything else I'll ping you but I'm going out shortly, so it wouldn't be until much later. I wish you well, and hope to hear you've had a good meeting with one or more of the Wolverhampton curators. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:37, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

@Albrighton Titon: Having reviewed your contributions, I realise you're extremely new to editing here on Wikipedia, so feel free, if you wish, to mention that you're being supported by an experienced editor with 30 years of museum curatorial experience, and who understands the issues and concerns that museum staff might have of working with Wikipedia. And my suggestion to you is that you don't rush to create a new article - work to improve existing ones first, if you can, and then to work on any draft within your own personal Sandbox. I can help you with formatting and referencing, if you need it. If you've not already done so, do have a read of Wikipedia: Your first article, and do try out the interactive Wikipedia Adventure which gives you 15 'badges' to collect as you work your way through the basics of editing here. Once again, all the best and good luck. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:00, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

@NickMoyes: Thanks Nick, it's been a little hectic these last few days but I'm just about to email them and will hopefully have something set up for next week. I do have a few ideas for articles but I think I'll definitely start out with the adventure over the weekend before drafting something up in my sandbox. If you could help me draft up my first article and show me what to do that would be awesome! Albrighton Titon (talk) 14:40, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – October 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2018).

Administrator changes

Justlettersandnumbers • L235

Bgwhite • HorsePunchKid • J Greb • KillerChihuahua • Rami R • Winhunter

Interface administrator changes

Cyberpower678 • Deryck Chan • Oshwah • Pharos • Ragesoss • Ritchie333

Oversight changes

Guerillero • NativeForeigner • Snowolf • Xeno

Guideline and policy news

• Following a request for comment, the process for appointing interface administrators has been established. Currently only existing admins can request these rights, while a new RfC has begun on whether it should be available to non-admins.
• There is an open request for comment on Meta regarding the creation a new user group for global edit filter management.

Technical news

• Partial blocks should be available for testing in October on the Test Wikipedia and the Beta-Cluster. This new feature allows admins to block users from editing specific pages and in the near-future, namespaces and uploading files. You can expect more updates and an invitation to help with testing once it is available.
• The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team is currently looking for input on how to measure the effectiveness of blocks. This is in particular related to how they will measure the success of the aforementioned partial blocks.
• Because of a data centre test, you will be able to read but not edit the Wikimedia projects for up to an hour on 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time.

Arbitration

• The Arbitration Committee has, by motion, amended the procedure on functionary inactivity.
• The community consultation for 2018 CheckUser and Oversight appointments has concluded. Appointments will be made by October 11.
• Following a request for comment, the size of the Arbitration Committee will be decreased to 13 arbitrators, starting in 2019. Additionally, the minimum support percentage required to be appointed to a two-year term on ArbCom has been increased to 60%. ArbCom candidates who receive between 50% and 60% support will be appointed to one-year terms instead.
• Nominations for the 2018 Arbitration Committee Electoral Commission are being accepted until 12 October. These are the editors who help run the ArbCom election smoothly. If you are interested in volunteering for this role, please consider nominating yourself.

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Nothing Really (again)

Just did my first undo. Looks ok (ureter). Cannot understand how in c300 pageviews, I’m the first? I mean, not just this page; I’ve fixed c10 (obvious) errors that were over 30 days wrong, and 1 that was 3 years (and c10k views). One of my edits got reverted in a minute as “appearing to be not constructive”.

I’m also staggered by how many people vandalise (I know there’s a different Wiki definition, but it’s “vandalism” to me). I expect you (and thousands) could write a book on it!

The truth is out there (sometimes)!

MBG02 (talk) 08:28, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey!! I just discovered my 12Aug edit got reinstated on 31Aug. So 7 weeks of being miffed, should’ve only been 3. And, now I’m quite chuffed. MBG02 (talk) 09:40, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi, MBG02. Well done! It's a good feeling to be helping to keep back the hordes of vandals. Had you wished to, you could have quickly warned the editor using Twinkle. It's often worth checking their other contributions on other pages, too. And yes, in time we all collect weird stories of interesting or unusual editor behaviour. But despite it all, we do still have over 5 million well-curated encyclopaedic pages, and relatively few badly-damaged ones - and tens of thousands of currently active editors like you who are helping to make it even better. So you're entitled to feel chuffed. Keep up the good work - and WP:BEBOLD. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:14, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Ta. MBG02 (talk) 07:29, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you so much for helping me navigate my way through Wikipedia as a newcomer! RaisinBrannen (talk) 01:22, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Barkeep49. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Tashtego, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	Nick I just wanted to drop by and offer my heartfelt thanks to you and how you try best to help others especially at teahouse and how you constantly give me advise. I really do appreciate that and hope to continue making Wikipedia better. I wish you, and your daughter academic success. Cheers for the good humour 6Packs (talk) 10:01, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for that, 6Packs - you're showing the signs of becoming a great all-round editor. Keep up the good work, and we'll be seeing you at the Teahouse again, I'm sure. (PS: I've just redirected one of your CSD nominations - do consider doing a Google search before nominating to see if there is a genuine topic either to be covered or, in this case, already covered, albeit as a stub.) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:10, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Nick Moyes thank you, I noticed that. It's well noted. Cheers 6Packs (talk) 14:41, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #020, 12 Oct 2018

Whew, a lot has been happening.

A bit of defending of the portals has been needed. But, most activity recently has been directed upon maintenance and development of existing portals.

The majority of portals now use the new design, about 2400 of them, leaving around 1200 portals that still employ the old style.

Newest portals

• Aceh
• Aegean Sea
• Arthur Wellesley
• Azores
• Bashkortostan
• Birmingham
• Black Sea
• Canary Islands
• Carpathian Mountains
• Caucasus
• Columbia River
• Davao City
• Dnieper
• Easter Island
• Exploration
• Galápagos Islands
• Glasgow
• Great Wall of China
• Guangdong
• Kaliningrad Oblast
• Kanpur
• Kigali
• Kuril Islands
• Kuwait City
• Leeds
• Lhasa
• Loire Valley
• Lucknow
• Lviv
• Map projections
• Marseille
• Midwestern United States
• Missouri River
• Multan
• Mysore
• Niger River
• Northeast India
• Odessa
• Orchestras
• Panama Canal
• Peshawar
• Polynesia
• Poznań
• Pretoria
• Rat Pack
• Sammy Davis Jr.
• Shandong
• South China Sea
• Southern United States
• Suez Canal
• Svalbard
• Tatarstan
• Tigris River
• Visakhapatnam
• Volga River
• Western Ghats
• Western United States
• Yellowstone National Park
• Yosemite National Park

Please inspect these portals, and report problems or suggest improvements at WT:WPPORTD. Thank you.

MfDs

Since the last issue of this newsletter, Nineteen portals were nominated for deletion. All posted by the same person.

Two portals were deleted.

One resolved as "no consensus".

Sixteen resolved as "keep".

Links to the archived discussions are provided below:

1. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Air France
2. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Alexander Korda
3. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:August Derleth
4. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Average White Band
5. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bee-eaters
6. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Ben E. King
7. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Benny Goodman
8. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bill Bryson
9. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Billy Idol
10. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Billy Ocean
11. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bob Hope
12. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bobbie Rosenfeld Award
13. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Body piercing
14. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Canton, Michigan
15. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Compostela Group of Universities
16. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Diplo
17. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Diversity of fish
18. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Pebble Beach
19. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Peter, Paul and Mary

Many thanks to those who participated in the discussions.

To watch for future MfD's, keep in mind that the Portals WikiProject is supported by automatic alerts. You can see them at: Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Article alerts: portals for deletion at MfD

Creation criteria

There was also some discussion of creation criteria for portals. The result was that one of the participants in the discussion reverted the portal guidelines to the old version, which has the minimum number of articles for a portal included in there: "about 20 articles", a guideline that was in place since 2009.

Many of the portals that existed prior to April 2018 do not have that many (being limited to however many subpages the portal creator created), and therefore, these portals need to be upgraded to the new design (which automatically provides many articles for display). Using the new design, exceeding 20 articles for display is very easy.

Linking to the new portals

Efforts have been underway to place links to new portals (all 2200 of them created since April).

1. Link (portal button) from corresponding category pages.  Done
2. Link from See also section on corresponding root articles. Partially implemented
3. Link from bottom of corresponding templates. Partially implemented
4. Link for each portal on Portal:Contents/Portals. Partially implemented

Your help is needed. It is easy to access the page mentioned in #1, #2, & #3 from the portals themselves.

AWBers could do these tasks even faster (that's how the category pages were done), except #4...

Item #4 above pretty much has to be done by hand. (If you can find a way to speed that up, I would be very impressed). The links needing placement can be found at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet. Instructions are included there.

The conversion effort: news sections

There are still around 1200 old-style portals that have only undergone partial conversion to the new design concepts, still relying on subpages with copied/pasted excerpts that have been going stale for years, out of date (manually posted) news entries, etc.

The section currently being tackled on these is news. You can help by deleting any news section on the old-style portals that has news entries that are years old (that is the dead giveaway to a manual news section). Be sure not to delete the news sections of portals that have up-to-date news, or active maintainers. For maintainers, look at the portal's categories, and/or check the participants list at WP:WPPORT.

Eventually, conditional news sections (that appear only when news items are available for display) will be added using AWB to all portals without a news section.

News items (and even the news sections themselves) are automatically generated for portals that were created using the Basic portal start page. On those portals, there is a hidden comment at the top of the page (that you can see in the edit window), that says this:

<!-- This portal was created using subst:Basic portal start page -->

Design development

Presently, we are in the process of implementing the new design features, creating new portals with them, and installing them in existing portals.

But, what about development of new new design features?

We have a wish department.

Post your wishes at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design#Discussions about possible cool new features, and they might come true. Many have already, and for many of those, this is where they were posted.

Cascade effect

A resource that has been elusive so far will be obtained eventually: categories. That is, the ability to pull category member links to populate a page.

Rather than populate portals directly with such links, it may be more beneficial to the encyclopedia to utilize them in navigation footers, because portals already have the ability to generate themselves based on those.

So, this would create a cascade effect: auto-gathering entries from categories, would enable the construction of new navigation footers, that would in turn support the development of new portals.

The cascade effect would also be felt by existing portals, as existing navigation footers could be expanded using the category harvesting methods, which would in turn expand the coverage of portals that access those navigation footers.

You can help by providing leads about any potential category harvesting methods. Please report anything you know about harvesting categories at WT:WPPORTD. Thank you.

Looking into the future: the quantum portal?

One idea that has been floating around is the concept of a pageless portal. That is, a portal that isn't stored anywhere, instead being generated when you click on a menu item or button.

Many of the new portals were generated by a single click, and then saved via a second click.

Therefore, it seems likely that the portals of the future will employ the one-click concept.

Because of the need for customization by users, this concept would need to be augmented with a way to integrate user contributions. This could be done in at least two ways: posting an existing portal, autogenerating one from scratch if such does not yet exist, or have a special data page for user contributions that is folded into the auto-generated portal.

How soon? That is up to you. All that is needed are persons to implement it.

Until next time...

Keep up the good work on portals. They are improving daily. Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   04:24, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Support aspired

Hi guy profound greetings, This time I appeal for your support. Can you do so on [1]. I may nominate you as well if you wish.

Regards,

SHISHIR DUA 17:57, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

doubts to clear on how we can create a page of a person

```` devraj priju ```` hello nick, i dont have proper links that say about me but i do have the picture and links of my clients for whom i have done work so far and i have pictures of the regional newspaper cut-outs that mentions my dance school name and my name. will that be enough for me to create my article page. kindly help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Devraj Priju (talk • contribs)

hello, Devraj Priju. I really do not think so at all. Similarly, I could supply many regional newspaper cuttings that mention my name and my past work, and detailed interviews in local papers and local radio, and so forth. But that simply isn't sufficient for me to have a entry here in a worldwide encyclopaedia. Mere mentions are definitely not sufficient, and working for other notable people doesn't in itself make that person notable. Evidence of major national awards/international awards, or chart-topping songs, or detailed coverage in two or three books, magazines of news websites are the minimum kind of things we'd need to see, as I stated here. See also WP:NBIO and WP:ARTIST for detailed criteria for notability. I'm really sorry to disappoint you. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Nick Moyes (talk) 09:07, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

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Wolf

I eschewed AIV for a long time because of the overzealous reporting. I think it's better now. Or maybe I'm just more patient. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 23:16, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

I never really noticed the unwarranted reports until I became an admin, as I had no reason to investigate what others had reported there. But some of the names I used to see frequently contributing there alongside myself I now sometimes see as making a few too many wrong reports. As I rarely checked back how my report had gone (and using Twinkle one didn't actually need to go to AIV) I had no idea which reports were being rejected. So, whilst CLC and others do a great job, I feel I need to ping them frpm AIV (or occasionally leave a note on their talk page) to get their reporting even better. Once we get the new temporary watchlist functionality, it might make people monitor bad faith editors more effectively. But I just found keeping a tab open on the 'Special Contributions' for each editor I'd given a final warning to was an extremely easy way to check if they've made further edits. (I do wish that page had a button to quickly display edits across the /64 rsnge. It's quite impractical to simply edit the url on a mobile screen, unlike on a desktop,) Nick Moyes (talk) 06:21, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Indeed. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 13:18, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

I started looking at reports at AIV after I made some comment about how any admin could close reports there responsibly with zero experience. I have declined quite a few reports from there as "content dispute" or "assume WP:COMPETENCE" and very occasionally WP:BOOMERANG blocked the reporter when the dispute is obviously not vandalism or anything else covered by WP:3RRNO (as a learning exercise for them) - including CLC. I also saw the help you gave LMilagros5472 (to that end, I have re-added her additions to Joanne Whalley, with sources); I am disappointed to see the over-zealous templating there, and unfortunately I suspect the editor is now gone for good, despite your best efforts. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: thanks for adding that content back in; I've dropped a note for LMilagros5472 and hope they do return to editing. Regarding AIV: As far as I can see, the only way to avoid hit and run templating and immediate AIV reports is to decline and to ping the reporting editors. Then ramping concerns up to messages on their talk page seems sensible. Someone like CLC clearly does a good job reporting lots of vandalism but with more care and attention they ought to see that they can do an even better job, without all the collateral damage and time wasting. I would be loathe to block someone for bad reports unless they were purely using it as a tool to 'get at' another editor, as I think happened with LMilagros5472. It's a same we don't have a tool for viewing an editor's block success rate for reports made to AIV in the same way that we can assess the quality of their AFD voting. Best wishes Nick Moyes (talk) 09:34, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2020-39

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There is a new tag for reverted edits. For example you can see it in the recent changes feed or in the article history. It is added to edits when they have been undone, rollbacked or manually reverted to an older version of the page. [2][3]

Changes later this week

• The number of times you can do something in a period of time on wiki is limited. This could be the number of edits per minute or the number of users you email in a day. Some users are not affected by all limits because of their user rights. They could soon see the limit even if it does not affect them. [4]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 September. It will be on all wikis from 24 September (calendar).

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21:26, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

AIV Issue

Hello. I just saw your notice on WP:AIV, and apologize if I sought the wrong venue for a disruption problem. The user I reported has received several warnings from myself (and others) about their disruptive habit of adding extraneous spaces to infoboxes. Instead of directly engaging on the topic of their edits, the user has continued to continue their disruptive editing while being generally disrespectful (see my message on their talk page for more info). After several warnings, the user left a message on an uninvolved user's talk page. I did not want to clutter the uninvolved user's talk page with nonsense, so I again returned to the disruptive user's talk page to speak with them directly. After leaving a level-headed message, they responded with outright hostility and threats. They then received a "final warning" message from Anthony Bradbury. They have displayed no sense of understanding despite countless messages and warnings from multiple users. They have been disruptive, displayed a battleground attitude, and were consistently WP:UNCIVIL and disrespectful. I would appreciate your help and/or guidance. Thank you very much. KidAd talk 21:27, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

No worries - it's an interesting area. I don't want to respond until a) I've had some coffee, and b) I've grasped the level of any disruption, or their past warnings. That said, a bit more 'cool' on your part might not go amiss, as it can only exacerbate conflict situations with new editors who don't know how we prefer everyone to behave. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:39, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

I hear you loud and clear. I will follow your lead regardless. Everything can be found on my talk page, their talk page, and a bit on uninvolved user's talk page. I feel very bad they they became involved. I have a lecture in an hour so I think I'm going to grab my own beverage and take a break. Thanks again, KidAd talk 21:42, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	For resolving (kinda silly) conflicts about spaces in infoboxes :) ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:34, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Seconded. Much appreciation for you. KidAd talk 00:50, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Holly2017

Seems like WP:ANI#User:Holly2017: WP:NOTHERE, WP:CIR, or WP:DUCK was going to happen sooner or later. — Marchjuly (talk) 07:01, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Yep, I just noticed that from my watchlist. It's funny how one can sense the inevitable car crash right from some users' first few edits and interactions. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:49, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-40

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Admins can now see links to diffs of deleted revisions on Special:AbuseLog. This uses the interface of Special:Undelete. [5]
• Editors are automatically added to some user groups. For example editors are added to autoconfirmed users when they have edited enough times and long enough. Abuse filters can hinder users from automatically getting user rights for a period of time. They can also remove rights user have. Wikis can now ask to change how long this period of time is for their wiki in Phabricator. It is currently five days. [6]

Problems

• Last year some abuse filters stopped working because of a new change. If they tried to use variables that were unavailable for that action they would fail. This has now been fixed. [7]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 September. It will be on all wikis from 1 October (calendar).

Future changes

• You can't see the language links to other language versions from the talk page or history page. They are also not shown when you edit an article. This could change. It is not decided if for example the history page should link to another history page or to the article. You can take part in the discussion in Phabricator.
• The link colours could change. This is to make the difference between links and other text more clear. You can read more in Phabricator.
• In your preferences you can choose to get different notifications on the web or by email. You will see Apps as one of the alternatives later this week. This is because the Android and iOS Wikipedia apps will use push notifications for those who want them. You can see the preferences on the test wiki. The goal is to have push notifications on Android in October and on iOS in early 2021. [8]
• You can soon put pages on your watchlist for a limited time. This could be useful if you want to watch something for a shorter time but don't want it on your watchlist forever. It now works on mediawiki.org and will come to more wikis later. You can read more and see when it will come to other wikis.
• You can see what Wikimedians think are the best new technical tools this year. You can also nominate them.

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21:23, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

ACR info

Hi Nick Moyes. I saw your message on the request I put up. I hope I am doing this right because I have never used wikip like this. You mentioned looking for reliable sources for Amanda Carolina Rodriguez as a wrestler. I dont know if this counts but I will leave you wit links to look over. I think she proves international cult following. A lot of fans talk about and post about her. She has been round a long time and worked for a lot a big shows. She is also mentioned and credited in top wrestling companies and in wrestling retail. she has a lot of internet pages about her and truly think she deserves a page among the rest.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Manageittoday (talk • contribs) 15:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Manageittoday: You're referring to this thread. I think you meant to post this at Pi's page (who I have now 'pinged' by mentioning their name here), as they were the one offering to assist you, not me. I am afraid I have zero interest in wrestling, myself, though I am a bit worried by your user name. It suggests you might be doing paid editing here to manage information on behalf of client. Is that so? If it is, you have a Conflict of Interest and must declare who is paying you to edit which article, and to do that on your userpage. There is help for you to follow here: WP:PAID. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:04, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Biodiversity Park, Visakhapatnam: Revision history

Dear sir, Sure sir, I will follow you certainly. I am just trying to replace some existing ones with better ones only sir. I will maintain the number of pictures present in the original article.Matter also as advised by you I will cut short to make it more beautiful or else you will advise and edit sir please. thanking sir, with regards Dr. Rama Murty --Bmantha (talk) 14:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

No worries. Keep up the good work, sir. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:19, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-41

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There is a new tool where you can see which home wiki users have in discussions on Meta. This can help show which communities are not part of the discussion on wikis where we make decisions that affect many other wikis.
• You can now thank users for file uploads or for changing the language of a page. [9]

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• There were many errors with the new MediaWiki version last week. The new version was rolled back. Updates that should have happened last week are late. [10]
• Everyone was logged out. This was because a user reported being logged in to someone else's account. The problem should be fixed now. [11]
• Many pages have JavaScript errors. You can read more and now see a list of user scripts with errors.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 October. It will be on all wikis from 8 October (calendar).
• Letters immediately after a link are shown as part of the link. For example the entire word in [[Child]]ren is linked. On Arabic wikis this works at both the start and end of a word. Previously on Arabic wikis numbers and other non-letter Unicode characters were shown as part of the link at the start of a word but not at the end. Now only Latin and Arabic letters will extend links on Arabic wikis. [12]

Future changes

• You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on 27 October around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour. [13]

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16:24, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Goldbach conjecture

Thank you sir ! for your kind advice! Debdoot guha (talk) 14:08, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Angelo Cardona - Conflict of Interest/Paid Editing Query

Hey, this is James, I can't find a way to leave a message on your talk page. First of all, thank you for your feedback on the Teahouse. I am writing about the draft: Angelo Cardona. I just wanted to mention that I do not have any conflict of interest in the creation of the article nor I have been paid to create it, and this is not the only article I have worked on as you mentioned on the Teahouse. I did translate the English article of Sharan Burrow (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharan_Burrow) into Spanish Wikipedia. I wanted to do the same thing with Angelo Cardona's article but I am not allowed to translate from Wikipedia Spanish into English yet. I am just learning how is the process of translating in multiple Wikipedias as I will be interested in translating articles in the future from one Wiki to another, any suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by James Hagemann (talk • contribs) 18:20, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Replied to on your own talk page. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:38, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

My Fault (Armond Rizzo)

Per this I should have just used a G11 from the start, you are absolutely correct, both at the same time looks like an overkill. Celestina007 (talk) 15:41, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

@Celestina007: No worries. I think AFD might have been the best route (but I've not waded through the article in detail, yet). Nick Moyes (talk) 15:48, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

User:Celestina007 - I disagree as to whether G11 should have been used from the start, and agree with User:Nick Moyes in declining the G11. G11 is for articles that are exclusively promotional. This article is not exclusively promotional. It is a biography of a living person that describes his career. In my experience, and I have tagged a lot of articles for G11 and have very seldom had a tagging declined, G11 is intended primarily for corporate articles, and only occasionally for articles about persons. If an article is capable of being reworked to be a run-of-the-mill biography of a non-notable person, then it isn't G11. A biography of a non-notable person should be deleted, but not via G11. I haven't decided whether the article should be deleted, but it was reasonable to nominate it for AFD, and nominating it for G11 was a good-faith mistake. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:32, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

@Robby,(hope you don’t mind me calling you that) the article was borderline promotional hence I should have carried it to an AFD first since I wasn’t 100% sure it was blatantly promotional. @Robert McClenon, you just like Nick are correct. Celestina007 (talk) 17:12, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Historical Events and Objects

Dear Nick,

I hope you are healthy and in good spirit. I am reaching out to you as I am greatly interested in improving articles on Wikipedia dealing with historical events and objects in museums. I tried editing several articles by adding depth and notable information to enhance articles, but my entries/contributions were deleted very quickly.

I was wondering if we could have a chat about how to improve articles and to make lasting changes to articles and paragraphs that will not be deleted?

I look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Wiilkenson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiilkenson (talk • contribs) 11:52, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

@Wiilkenson: Hello there and thanks for dropping by. I think you fell foul of diving in a bit too quickly with one specific source and then repeating that source again and again. As a result, all your edits looked like WP:LINKSPAM (that's a shortcut to a page on the topic) and they were reverted and you were then left a gentle warning notice on your talk page. Don't worry - it's very easy for beginners to make mistakes or appear to be out to achieve just one thing (e.g. book or organisation promotion) whereas you may know that you genuinely want to make valuable contributions. The trick is to learn from what other editors may tell you.

First off, why not make clear your background and interests by saying a little bit about yourself on your userpage? Whenever I distrust the motives of an editor, I go take a look at what, if anything, they've written there. Whilst absence of a userpage isn't a crime here, the presence of one can help guide me to understand a user's motives, and I can respond accordingly. You don't have to declare any personal details, but just tell the truth about your expertise and interests. Knowing a new user is a student doing a college project, or a local history buff having their first foray into editing is of enormous help. Their past edits to various pages also tell me their motives, and someone who has taken the trouble to do The Wikipedia Adventure and collected all 15 different badges on our interactive tour is likely to be seen as more worth being given the benefit of the doubt to than someone with four or five troubling major edits and no userpage.

I think this edit to Dún Laoghaire was troublesome because it was unbalanced. It failed to say a small fact in a concise way, and went on about the Little Museum of Dublin, and then repeated the reference unnecessarily - hence the linkspam revert. I don't know if you are directly connected to the museum, but if you are, or know anyone there, why not simply encourage them to upload that photo to Wikimedia Commons? We need more museums top appreciate that it indirectly benefits them in their mission to communicate knowledge by making resources available on Wikipedia. Any 1900 photo will be out of copyright by now, and could be inserted into the article with just a short caption. Of course, if you are connected, it would be a good idea to make a simple 'conflict of interest' declaration on your userpage. See WP:CI for details how you can do this.

So, start off with smaller edits to pages you're interested in, perhaps adding citations where these have been flagged up, or fixing typos/grammar. Learn how to add one reference and then use it again elsewhere without having to repeat it. See WP:REFNAME for that, or a little guidance page and video I made - see WP:ERB. If you are unsure whether an edit you want to make would be ok, you could propose it on the talk page of the relevant article (along with its source) and gain the input of other people who are watching edits made to that page. In time, you might want to visit the WP:GLAM WikiProject - a scheme aiming to link Wikipedians and cultural institutions together to mobilise knowledge from within Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums.  

I hope this reply offers you some useful insights. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Nick Moyes (talk) 15:20, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

grand, thank you so much!Wiilkenson (talk) 14:10, 13 October 2020 (UTC)