User talk:Meneerke bloem/Archive 2

Bruckner's Symphony No. 8 and Siegfried motif

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Hi. Actually this is very clear in the Development section! Compare here: Siegfried motif (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS0bwKkXwEU&t=1m06s) and the Exposition of Bruckner's 8th Symphony (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysObwV48C4Y&t=0m02s) or its Development section (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysObwV48C4Y&t=8m23s). Players should be already embedded in these links. It is very clear! --Leonardo T. Oliveira 14:34, 26 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonardo Teixeira de Oliveira (talkcontribs)

It's very interesting! But ...listening to the March in D minor I can't identify specifically that main theme from the 1st movement of Symphony No. 8... Is it this same theme derived from this previous work? Could you identify it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eWW7_XbdMU. Thanks! --Leonardo T. Oliveira 16:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonardo Teixeira de Oliveira (talkcontribs)
Now I can see. Well, it's not so similar as the Siegfried motif, but your point turns this Siegfried claim not so pacific to an encyclopedic entry. I can imagine that this main theme, even if similar to another previous work of him, can have been inspired in its design by Siegfried even so - but here we would be speculating. Thank you very much for your information! Best regards. Leonardo T. Oliveira 19:13, 27 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonardo Teixeira de Oliveira (talkcontribs)

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Hi Reginald. Those tags I added are not necessarily critical of the article or you, but are mainly intended to attract attention to the article. People with knowledge of the topic and people who are native English speakers can then copy edit and improve the article. Otherwise there's nothing particularly wrong with it, it just needs to be edited and cleaned up a bit. Thanks for contributing. - Burpelson AFB 16:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC)Reply

The English in general is correct, but writing style for an encyclopedia is a bit different than writing for a journal article or another publication. Overall the article is good and informative, it just needs a look from other Wikipedia editors. If you disagree I have no problem with you removing the maintenance tags. - Burpelson AFB 13:59, 15 February 2012 (UTC)Reply

Science lovers wanted!

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Science lovers wanted!
 
Hi! I'm serving as the wikipedian-in-residence at the Smithsonian Institution Archives until June! One of my goals as resident, is to work with Wikipedians and staff to improve content on Wikipedia about people who have collections held in the Archives - most of these are scientists who held roles within the Smithsonian and/or federal government. I thought you might like to participate since you are interested in the sciences! Sign up to participate here and dive into articles needing expansion and creation on our to-do list. Feel free to make a request for images or materials at the request page, and of course, if you share your successes at the outcomes page you will receive the SIA barnstar! Thanks for your interest, and I look forward to your participation! Sarah (talk) 01:28, 19 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Talkback

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Improving "List of compositions" articles

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I triggered a discussion on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Classical_music about Improving "List of compositions" articles. Along the way we came into the topic Bruckner and I did some prototyping for List of compositions by Anton Bruckner on my user space (see discussion in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Classical_music). Since you appear to be most active in the Bruckner area, I thought, just to give you a heads up so you could comment as well if you want. I'm pretty new around here, am I correct to put this on your talk page or would I have better put it on the List of compositions by Anton Bruckner talk page or both? LazyStarryNights (talk) 00:39, 5 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Dear,

I have a large discography of Bruckner's works, including non-commercial recordings for some works for which there is no commercial recording available.

I have recently acquired Cornelis van Zwol's book "Anton Bruckner 1824-1896 - Leven en Werken" (782 pages, ISBN 978-90-6868-590-9), in which all Bruckner's works are described in detail - a book every Bruckner-fan should own. Unfortunately the issue is nearly sold out and, for not Dutch-speaking people, it is written in Dutch. Moreover, because van Zwol had no sponsor to support the publication, there will be no second issue and the book will presumably not translated in another language…

Please put your suggestions on my user-talk page.

Best regards from Belgium, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:33, 5 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Great you have such passion for and such good sources on Bruckner. I only know some work of Bruckner, but what I do know is beautiful. However, my improvements efforts are not Bruckner specific, but a general improvement of composition lists. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music for the relevant discussion and at User:LazyStarryNights/List of compositions by Anton Bruckner for a draft so far. Bruckner was just one of the composers that was suggested to start on. LazyStarryNights (talk) 20:33, 7 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

June 2013

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Bruckner list intro

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Thank you for making good sense of the introduction! I think it's much better now. Best. --Kleinzach 02:12, 27 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'm now signing off Bruckner, but do let me know if I can help at all in the future. Best regards. --Kleinzach 23:54, 27 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

'No. 0' Symphony in d minor by Bruckner

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Hello, bonjour, hallo.

I am indeed unconcerned with the name of the article: whether 'Symphony in D minor (Bruckner)' or 'Symphony No. 0 (Bruckner)'. I just regard your process as a very serious COPYRIGHT problem because of your copy-and-paste without moving the revision history. In other words, I think that your new article is plagiarism and illegal. The French and Dutch versions are also. (In addition, it seems that consensus has not yet to be reached. It is none of my business...)

So I should like to request to merge them (fix revision history inconsistency) and then move to suitable name. If you object to the merging, I suggest you to

  1. deleting the new article 'Symphony in D minor (Bruckner)', and then
  2. moving 'Symphony No. 0 (Bruckner)' into 'Symphony in D minor (Bruckner)' by correct method (also Talk page and revision history will be moved).

By the way, why don't you move the other language versions? (ca, de, es, it, ja and pt) --Tijd-jp (talk) 13:05, 9 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

There seems to be no response to your suggestion about renaming of the Japanese version. So, instead of you, following the procedure, I have just proposed renaming the article. I will not do anything any more about that. Please you keep watch on the Talk page. The best of British luck to you. --Tijd-jp (talk) 13:52, 18 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Cantata message

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Thanks for your cantata message on my talk. Is there a reason why Bruckner's symphonies have infoboxes but his masses not? Looking at Schubert, I wonder ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 26 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Formal mediation has been requested

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  1. Persoonlijk ga ik hier liefst zo weinig mogelijk initiatief nemen. Weinig interesse, zowel inhoudelijk (Bruckner) als over de uiterlijkheden (infobox enz).
  2. WP:DRN, a "lower-level dispute resolution" process, would probably be an appropriate next step. That is, not before the current mediation procedure has been formally closed. Please familiarize yourself with the do's and don'ts of DRN, and with its procedure for filing the request — I mean I hope you can initiate a DRN yourself without others needing to jump in on your behalf. An important issue is to be clear on what would be the scope of the request when you would go DRN (too broad can lead to meaningless discussion, too narrow might fail to give a comprehensive solution to the problem(s)).
  3. I no longer believe a limited "gentlemen's agreement" would give a durable solution here. The survey initiative I took on the Rondo talk page illustrates that. --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:26, 27 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

What is it you are hoping to accomplish here, exactly? Nikkimaria (talk) 16:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

Solving the ongoing dispute by getting a durable gentlemen's agreement:
  • being more respectful for the input of experienced people in the specific field (Bruckner works);
  • refraining from removing their input without a friendly, short exchange of views beforehand;
  • listening to their arguments and being open for discussion; not acting as an obstinate, procedural barrister;
  • accepting that so-called "notability" can be biased by media bias or publication bias, and is not an absolute requirement for putting or not putting a recording into the discography, i.e., allowing to put the première recording, the number of available recordings, and a selection of recordings taking Hans Roelofs' critical review into account; referencing Hans' webpage.

--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:32, 27 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

Excellent. Let's work towards that, then.
  • You know Bruckner, but might not be as familiar with Wikipedia policies and procedures (and have unfortunately received some poor advice in that area). I am happy to respect your input if you will also respect mine.
  • Okay, to a point. If something is objectively incorrect, for example, it should be reverted or removed without pre-discussion.
  • Again, happy to listen to your arguments, but this goes both ways, and being called names across multiple pages is not exactly conducive to collegial discussion.
  • While your arguments have merit, this is for the most part not something that can be resolved on a per-article basis. If you want to change the guidelines regarding discography entries, for example, you would need to take that up at the guideline page. More broadly, Wikipedia guidelines are geared towards the creation of articles not intended for experts - this has been the basis of some of my objections to your inclusion of unexplained German text, for example. Non-expert readers do not necessarily share the background knowledge, understanding of the sources, or perception of what is "worthwhile". Nikkimaria (talk) 02:11, 28 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

Some thoughts:

  • Re. "objectively incorrect": see WP:NPOVFAQ#There's no such thing as objectivity: when one source says something and another source says something different both views can (and often should) be represented in Wikipedia, provided that both sources count as WP:RS. Indeed scholarship does not always "win" from popular views in this respect. When the popular view is represented in reliable sources readers may expect to find it here.
  • Re. "not ... as familiar with Wikipedia policies and procedures": it is good Wikipedia tradition that the more experienced editor helps the less experienced editor in this respect (WP:BITE). Simply reverting is not showing the ways things are handled in optimal conditions. "Short exchange of views" is a reasonable approach, kudos to the newcomer who realizes that. Besides, the more experienced editor may be unaware of some guidelines/procedures/policies too (see "objectivity" in previous point)
  • Re. "notability": indeed a somewhat tainted concept in Wikipedia. Nonetheless WP:NOTABILITY is currently a guideline, so the concept can be used in that context (unlike "objectivity" which is a no-no). Indeed notability, like neutrality, is founded on a mix of more scholarly and more popular sources, not exclusively the more scholarly ones, nor exclusively the more popular ones.
  • Re. "guidelines regarding discography entries": Didn't know we had guidelines on the topic. I typed WP:DISCOGRAPHY: I see a project, not guidelines. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists of works has indeed "these articles should follow the guidelines given by WikiProject Discographies" (so, linking to a page where I can't find any guidelines). WP:DISCOGSTYLE is a dormant proposal, not a guideline. There is something in Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians/Article guidelines#Discography section, but seems as irrelevant to classical composers as WP:NCM#Bands, albums and songs to WP:NCM#Compositions (classical music) (well, I added something there as a step to avoid confusion). Same for Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lists of works)#Discographies. I'd like some clarification which guidelines are meant?
  • "have unfortunately received some poor advice" seems a somewhat inappropriate slur to me. Comment on edits, not editors please. --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:18, 28 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hello Meneerke. As a show of good faith I have now added a link to your recommended discography to all the motet articles under discussion that did not yet have one. Hopefully we may now move forward in a more collegial manner. I apologize if any offense was given by my post above, as none was intended; in particular, Francis' "some thoughts" immediately above offer some good advice. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:56, 28 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for it. You did not offend me. I became well somewhat irritated, because of the repeated time-consuming, procedural discussion.
I propose to change "Discography (German)" to "Commented discography (German)", since Hans is reviewing in it most of the available recordings. OK for you? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:59, 28 September 2014 (UTC)Reply
I would suggest either "annotated" or "critical" - "commented discography" reads a bit oddly in English, though the translation is correct. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:36, 28 September 2014 (UTC)Reply
OK then for "Critical discography". --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:22, 28 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

Locus iste

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Reading this, I conclude that the composition was not even ready for the dedication of the Votivkapelle?? Article needs a rewrite then ;) - I would think that the pictured chapel is the one, but found no support for it. Do you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 30 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

As soon as I almost gave up I found something --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 30 September 2014 (UTC)Reply
I added a bit and updated the DYK nom. Feel free to add. I will do more later. Anniversary 29 Oct, it should be good by then ;)
ps: did you see who wrote the TFA? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:22, 1 October 2014 (UTC)Reply
I nominated Locus iste for Good article, a bit premature, but liked our Kirchweih date for it ;) - If you feel like it, you could expand the recordings section, perhaps with reviews which mention things remarkable about the composition. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:20, 5 October 2014 (UTC)Reply

Request for mediation rejected

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DYK for Locus iste (Bruckner)

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HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:03, 29 October 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:17, 29 October 2014 (UTC)Reply
Ave Maria will follow in a few hours, pictured, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 4 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

DYK nomination of Christus factus est, WAB 11 (Bruckner)

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I just added two publications, as refs for the two dates. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 1 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

DYK for Ave Maria (Bruckner)

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HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 5 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Gratias! - Vexilla regis: there's a lot of text and translation now which might better go to the text article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 6 November 2014 (UTC)Reply
I noticed that you edit the free scores. Would you know if you can copy something like the title page of Mit Fried und Freud, BuxWV 76 (Buxtehude, Dietrich) to the commons, and if yes how? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 11 November 2014 (UTC)Reply
Dear Gerda
I never have done it on Commons. On the en-Wikipedia and the fr-wikipedia we use the template {{IMSLP2|id=Mit Fried und Freud, BuxWV 76 (Buxtehude, Dietrich)|cname=Mit Fried und Freud, BuxWV 76}}. Unfortunately I have checked that his template does not work on Commons.
On the contrary, the wikilink [[Scores:Mit Fried und Freud, BuxWV 76 (Buxtehude, Dietrich)|♫]], which provides with the icon "♫" which links to IMSLP, is well working on Commons.
I have tried [[Scores:Mit Fried und Freud, BuxWV 76 (Buxtehude, Dietrich)|Mit Fried und Freud, BuxWV 76]] ... and it also works on Commpons.
Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:26, 12 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

DYK for Christus factus est, WAB 11

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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:03, 9 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

DYK for Christus factus est, WAB 10

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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 15 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

DYK for Os justi (Bruckner)

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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 15 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Ways to improve Inveni David, WAB 19

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Hi, I'm Xcia0069. Meneerke bloem, thanks for creating Inveni David, WAB 19!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Good article !

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. Xcia0069 (talk) 11:53, 24 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

WAB 33

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What is Musica sacra there? A collection of music? A journal? - Auer quote, given in English: "simpleness"? simplicity? - I would not call it a quote anyway without providing the German original. - Sorry, Afferentur is not expanded enough for DYK, I missed that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:06, 25 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

DYK for Mayer Cantata, WAB 60

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The DYK project (nominate) 11:41, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Add Cat

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Dear Réginald , I took the liberty to add a category to your user page. I am member of the board of WM Belgium [1] and I would like, if it is ok, to have curated list of active wikipedians in Belgium who may be interested in our future activities. Feel free to revert of course. --Alberto Fernández Fernández (talk) 08:50, 23 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

DYK for Vor Arneths Grab, WAB 53

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Harrias talk 00:03, 27 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

DYK for Military march (Bruckner)

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Harrias talk 12:02, 27 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Iam lucis orto sidere DYK

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Hi, Réginald. I just wanted to leave you a note to let you know that I reviewed your DYK nomination, but I have a few questions. Could you please take a look and let me know your thoughts about the concerns I've raised?-RHM22 (talk) 07:36, 30 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

DYK for Pange lingua, WAB 33

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Harrias talk 00:03, 1 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

DYK for Iam lucis orto sidere, WAB 18

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Harrias talk 00:41, 4 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Symphonic Prelude

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Can you deal with this, please? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:59, 12 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

DYK for Symphonic Prelude (Bruckner)

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The DYK project (nominate) 20:59, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Bruckner and chorale

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Connected to Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22, I came across a requested citation regarding Bruckner in Chorale, after a longish sentence that names Bruckner very late. Can you help to reword and reference? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:40, 7 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

Always nice to meet your name on my watchlist. Will sing WAB 9! And BWV 29! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 10 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

Os justi

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To be honest, I don't remember...it's been a couple of seasons since we sang it, so I have to go and dig up the music. When I do I'll let you know.

I believe we're doing Christus factus est next, but I'm not certain of that. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:55, 30 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

Yes, that's the one, then - I've never sung the longer version. (I've done the shorter version twice.)
I'm quite looking forward to the Christus - I love Bruckner's motets. (Not so wild on the larger stuff, frankly, but the motets are little gems.) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:26, 30 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

Autopatrolled

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Hi Meneerke bloem, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Beeblebrox (talk) 19:46, 21 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

Happy ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 21 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

Type

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The type parameter of {{musical composition}} was created to say something helpful above the image. To repeat Mass below the header Mass seems not needed. This is different if the title is for example The Armed Man or even Missa in F, for those who don't know that Missa means mass. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:53, 6 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

ps: once I am here, what do you think of this discussion? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:54, 6 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

A discussion started at Tannhäuser made me think. I like the links at Bruckner's Secular choral works, - if we agree, you may want to change those from Motet to Motets (Bruckner), and others?

Bach motets

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Thank you for starting that article. Please include BWV Anh 159. In case you have more time, find images ;) - Singers at a funeral of the time, accompanied by instruments, would be ideal. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 9 September 2015 (UTC)Reply

Beati

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I started after singing it today) Beati quorum via (Stanford), which has been compared to Bruckner's motets. Expansion welcome, - I have little time. Also: we have Category:Psalm settings and Category:Psalm-related compositions by Johann Sebastian Bach, but miss Category:Psalm-related compositions which would be more appropriate for a setting of just one verse of 176. Psalm settings should be reserved for settings of one complete psalm (or several). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:42, 1 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

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  • Q#10. Arbs who make many well-informed comments at these noticeboards (please specify which!) have the right kind of background, or experience, for ArbCom.
Options: A: AE, B: arbCases, C: LTA, D: OTRS, E: AN,
continued: F: OS/REVDEL, G: CU/SPI, H: AN/I, I: pageprot, J: NAC,
continued: K: RfC, L: RM, M: DRN, N: EA, O: 3o,
continued: P: NPOVN, Q: BLPN, R: RSN, S: NORN, T: FTN,
continued: U: teahouse, V: helpdesk, W: AfC, X: NPP, Y: AfD,
continued: 1: UAA, 2: COIN, 3: antiSpam, 4: AIV, 5: 3RR,
continued: 6: CCI, 7: NFCC, 8: abusefilter, 9: BAG, 0: VPT,
continued: Z: Other_noticeboard_not_listed_here_please_wikilink_your_answer
Please specify a comma-separated list of the noticeboards you see as important background-experience for arb-candidates to have.
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  • Q#11. Arbs who make many comments at these noticeboards (please specify!) have the wrong kind of temperament, or personality, for ArbCom.
Options: (same as previous question -- please see above)
Please specify a comma-separated list of the noticeboards you see as worrisome personality-indicators for arb-candidates to have.
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