Talk:List of demons in fiction

Fictional demons...

...as opposed to what? We already have a list of demons, and this distinction between a "real" and "fictional" demon doesn't make any sense to me. Could someone explain why we need both articles? Thanks! - FlyingToaster 09:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

This was created as a spinoff from list of demons because of longstanding policy on talk:list of demons as to that page being a list of theological demons, and current discussion of renaming that article accordingly. ϢereSpielChequers 09:24, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

1. The "longstanding policy on talk:list of demons" doesn't exist (well, that talk page doesn't exist). 2. This really should be titled "list of demons in fiction", not "fictional demons". All demons are "fictional". 2crudedudes (talk) 16:26, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't usually edit wikipedia or even care much about how stuff is presented here, but I do think this is an important point. I went to this page to see if there was a discussion about the naming of the page (which does seem wrong), but "list of demons in fiction" does not get around the problem, since the demons on the other list all appear in some fiction as well (or you would not have known about them). How about "list of demons in mythology" vs "list of demons in entertainment"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.224.242.207 (talk) 15:02, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Cross-overs

...Lilith in both lists. She is a theological demon that was featured in some episodes of a fictional show. If she is included in both lists it stands to reason so should Satan/Lucifer etc because there have been many fictional books/movies/tv shows that feature him, but he is also a theological demon. I'm sure there are many other demons that could make this logical cross-over between lists, but I don't think they should, otherwise there is no point in separating the lists.Butterflysting (talk) 02:19, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't see that it would be a problem if some names appear in both lists, if they qualify as such. In particular Lilith and Lilith (Supernatural) are the same name but they link to two different articles. I'm sure at some point we will find a name that has been used by more than one fiction writer, when that happens we need to make sure the links reflect that. As for satan being in works of fiction, well yes but so is God. This list is for demons invented or modified for works of fiction not for theological demons who are also referred to in works of fiction. WereSpielChequers 10:31, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Some buffyverse ones but question probably applies to others

How should it work with characters that are half demon etc.Doyle is here and he is half demon. So what about Connor human but inluded in demon categories and cordelia born human but turned into part demon later on. Any thoughts?RafikiSykes (talk) 20:43, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Quite frankly there's not much of a clear-cut definition for what would go in this list, but I'll give you my opinion anyway. I would think half-demons could go on the list without much controversy. As for Connor, from what I remember he was fully human despite being the spawn of two vampires (right?), so I don't see why he'd make the list. And I remember Cordelia receiving that "gift" or whatever that gave her premonitions and somehow gave birth to a near-deity, but I don't think any of that made her suddenly a demon, unless there's something else I'm completely forgetting. It's been a long time since I last watched Angel. -- Fyrefly (talk) 21:19, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Connor was human but inherited the demonic strength/traits without the usual weakneses and the buffy project people have used the demon classifications for him so its a little confusing. Cordelia was made part demon later on as her human body couldnt handle the premonitions.

quote from cordelia article - "The episode "Birthday" saw her being offered the chance to live a life where she never met Angel, but her inner desire to help others sees her sacrifice this life and her humanity to become a half-demon who can better withstand the visions she carries."

quote from connor article "Connor possesses the typical abilities of a Buffyverse vampire (minus the vampire fangs): superhuman strength, speed, durability, recuperation, and heightened senses; without their typical weaknesses (sunlight, crosses, holy water). He has been bested in battle by both Faith and Angel; however, he is stronger than most vampires and several forms of demons."

From what you said Cordelia seems ok to add Cordelia but I'm fine leaving Connor for now as he seems rather hard to classify.RafikiSykes (talk) 21:51, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, feel free to use your own discretion. -- Fyrefly (talk) 21:54, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Fictional vs theological demons

When I expanded the preface, I may have been fooled by the absence of Screwtape, who was discussed at the other Talk page. See Talk: list of theological demons#Fictional vs theological demons.

I read all the listings and improved many, primarily to make them more uniform, secondarily to give more information with fewer links. Main points:

• always identify the fiction in parentheses (eg, replace "Character from Fiction")
• don't use parentheses otherwise (eg, utilize ", a.k.a. ...")
• where author is identified, always full name prior to fiction title, never linked if the titled is linked
• where media/etc is identified, such as "role-playing game", always after the title, never linked if title or author is linked
• no WP:REDLINKs
• mark {{clarification needed}} where the entry is meager and there is no bluelink

Every listing might now include (a) one setof parentheses; (b) two bluelinks, one bluelink, or {clarification needed}. That's approximately true, I won't check it.

Where I needed to follow a link in order to be confident about completing those steps (eg, provide author firstname), I may have added something that I learned (eg, "novel series"). But I didn't really do any content research for its own sake, only added a little info by accident in the course of re-arranging it.

I did all this in one revision, and "Compare versions" works well everywhere except a few entries that begin at 'Hastur' (because I didn't otherwise add or cut any entries, or any blank lines).

Someone who knows many of these demons may usefully take a look at that revision (bold). Or someone who knows video and role-playing games --P64 (talk) 19:39, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

"Compare versions" works well except a few entries that begin at Hastur. --P64 (talk) 16:54, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

List of theological demons carries a later version of "my" preface for this and some related articles (prompted by another editor's revert of my expansion).

For discussion see especially Talk:List of theological demons#Related articles need parallel attention. Comments solicited. --P64 (talk) 22:04, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Page Organization

Is there some standard for list articles that require them to be in a list? It seems to me that this article might do better in a tabular format. There are a number of series, for instance, that have large numbers of demons. A sort-able table could be sorted alphabetically as it currently is or sorted by source. This may make editing more difficult and loading a table of that size may make page loading slower. I could see those as objections. Any thoughts? --Jamal Wills^T/C 22:10, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

a funny page...

I think this would not survive in the German Wikipedia more than one hour. But I like these corners in the English Wikipedia! If these lists would not exist, I would have to create my own lists.

By the way: where are the Dadedra from Oblivion (Game)? I think they are demons too in the sense of this article.

It should be mentioned, that many of the demons in video games and/or in films come from novels and plays, for instance The Dybbuk (a demon in a Yiddish theatre play). To do these lists you will have to have the same knowledge and education as in any other corner (mountains, swamps and so on, not litearally) of Wikipedia! --13Peewit (talk) 19:07, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

List of devils

Satan, lucifer, the devil, etc. Should this be a distinct list? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:48, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm thinking of moving this page to List of fictional demons and devils and then adding additional items like that guy from Devil's Advocate (movie), Louis Cipher from Angel Heart, the devil from South Park, etc... Objections? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:25, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Here's a possible, incomplete list:

• Frankie Paige, Stigmata (film)
• John Milton, Devil's Advocate (movie)
• Louis Cipher, Angel Heart
• Regan MacNeil, The Exorcist (film)
• Satan (Trey Parker) South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut
• The baby, Rosemary’s Baby
• The devil, The Devil's Rain
• The devil, The House of the Devil

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:53, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

No objections from me. Mostly on account of apathy. :) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:34, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough, my friend. I think I'll just make the move. Nobody has even had a comment at all since Aug 31 and this is pretty uncontroversial. Maybe List of fictional devils and demons since the devil is the big tamale and demons are sort of employees. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Ah, hell! I just googled "devil in fiction" and got Devil in popular culture. It is not linked anywhere in this article, which is should be. I'm undoing the move. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:27, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Hatnotes or see alsos

These two should be linked together either with hatnotes or see also entries. You decide which.

• List of fictional demons
• Devil in popular culture

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:32, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Done. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:19, 16 September 2015 (UTC)