Talk:List of converts to Catholicism

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Latest comment: 4 months ago by 2600:1700:12F0:2370:410F:9878:1050:FC99 in topic Should this be merged to List of converts to Christianity

Comments from 2005 edit

Added a bunch, took some out. Wallace Stevens conversion seems to have been on his deathbed and is fairly highly disputed. Personally I think it'd be good to limit this to people who's conversion was in least somewhat noted in their lifetime. Like Oscar Wilde was going in that direction years before his actual deathbed conversion. Also it's noteworthy now for a certain ironic element. (Contemporary Catholicism being stricter on homosexuality than contemporary Anglicanism) I put Laxness in as his years as a Catholic were well known and mentioned in most biographies of him.

I put in some names of people that are seen solely as Catholics, but were in fact converts. In some cases they converted before they became noteworthy. I've considered putting Tolkien in, wasn't he originally Anglican?--T. Anthony 07:27, 29 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

On further reading I wonder if I jumped the gun on Jing, he may've been born/raised a Catholic as Catholicism had been in China for generations at that point. Anyone know?--T. Anthony 02:01, 7 October 2005 (UTC)Reply
Neat additions from what I think is a newcomer. The articles on them make it a bit unclear when Griffiths, McLuhan, Pachman, and Vermeer became Catholic. I might add a bit on Griffiths and Vermeer to clarify that.--T. Anthony 13:08, 7 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

Looking at the "see also" section of List of converts to Islam they don't have the List of Critics of Islam, which includes former Muslims. I'm thinking I might take off the link to the "ex-Catholics." Yeah I know they're related concepts, I might just expand the see also so it's even less prominent section, going in line with the Muslim list.--T. Anthony 10:36, 14 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Time frame edit

What is the time frame of this article? While one may not want to add Paul of Tarsus and other first Christians, where is Saint Augustine and Emperor Constantine? -Acjelen 04:40, 15 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Good question. For a variety of reasons I think it'd be best to avoid people from before 1054 AD. For example Emperor Constantine is as much recognized as Orthodox as a Catholic. Outside of that I'm not sure.--T. Anthony 05:27, 15 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

This article should be reorganized by former religion edit

For consistency reasons, this article should be reorganized by former religion.--Sefringle 03:31, 23 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Feel free to do so.--T. Anthony 07:20, 4 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Add edit

Someone should add the Osanna of Cattaro to the list... --PaxEquilibrium 00:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Removals edit

I've made a few, but one I'll mention is Elias Nelson Conway. According to the "Encyclopedia of Arkansas"

"At the height of the Know-Nothing era, Elias Conway attended some services of the Roman Catholic Church and was enthusiastically criticized for it in the Arkansas State Gazette and Democrat. In suggestive terms, a commentary and poem of December 14, 1855, characterized Conway’s relationship with Johnson—“Miss Nancy Con-a-way” and “the organ grinder”—and implied that his association with the Catholic Church and Bishop Andrew Byrne might give Conway “false notions of ‘connubial felicity.’” This was possibly directed at Conway’s presumed sexual orientation. Conway never married, and he never joined a specific religious denomination."--T. Anthony 07:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

I had to remove a great many references to get off spamblock. I might add some someday. Or others can.--T. Anthony 23:28, 19 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Title vs content inconsistency edit

Title says Catholicism. Text says Roman Catholicism. Pick one.LeadSongDog 19:32, 20 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

I don't see the problem here. They are synonymous. I'm not Catholic, and although we refer to our church as being the "One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church", nobody is going to read Catholicism and suppose that it means Greek Orthodoxy (etc.). Catholic, in popular usage, is unambiguous, and Catholicism is even less so. I don't think your concern is really warranted.--C.Logan 20:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Converts to Anglicanism edit

There are a large number of people who convert to churches in the Anglican communion, sometimes from the RC church. But the process is not as vigorous, and some people, eg Margaret Thatcher, just drift in without being confirmed. Also Anglicans are less good at public relations and are not liable to make such conversions high profile.

Having said that, I'll try to start an article and any contributions would be welcome. Ausseagull (talk) 09:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)Reply


Beryl Bainbridge edit

Could someone please produce some evidence? Ausseagull (talk) 21:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

http://archive.catholicherald.co.uk/article/30th-november-2007/3/graham-greene-persuaded-me-to-become-catholic-says She converted after reading Graham Greene's The End of the Affair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.200.229 (talk) 00:45, 2 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

--Nguirado (talk) 00:07, 18 March 2014 (UTC)==Cleanup== I think that any unreferenced persons should be removed from this list, paring it down would make reorganization (by prior religion) much simpler and quicker. Reply here or on my talk page to discuss. Ncboy2010 (talk) 14:08, 9 July 2012 (UTC)Reply

Below you will find all the unreferenced items that I removed from the list, please re-add as reliable sources can be added.

User Ncboy is a self-proclaimed atheist and his actions are not based on policy, rather hate.

Many of the exclusions are famous converts, which Ncboy could annotate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.200.229 (talk) 00:50, 2 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

For examble L. Brent Bozell, http://www.nndb.com/people/014/000363919/ also http://www.catholicsocialscientists.org/CSSR/Archival/1997/1997_323.pdf see page 325 paragraph 2 "Brent Bozell himself was a convert in his adolescent years."

Anne of Cleves... OMG http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/ACleves.html

I suppose there needs to be a citation that sun came up today. Ncboy the self proclaim atheism should be banned from contributing to article for which he holds animus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.200.229 (talk) 01:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Why are famous converts like John von Neumann excluded? He was an agnostic for most of his life and converted when he was near death. That's documented in his Wikipedia entry. Could it be because the creator of this article has animus towards the Church? Please don't let your hatred mess up Wikipedia. --Nguirado (talk) 00:07, 18 March 2014 (UTC)Reply


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Ronald Knox, Anglican minister, son of an Anglican bishop, and one of the greatest Catholic writers of the 20th century








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Former Catholics edit

Bringing some back with sources edit

Although I understand why it was cut back, man was it ever cut back! Some of the most famous converts, including saints and theologians, were taken off for a time there. (Maybe the person thought St. Edith Stein had always been Catholic?) But reviving it in full, exempting those who should have never been on it, is looking like a bigger job than I'm willing to do so I may stop now.--T. Anthony (talk) 04:35, 3 April 2013 (UTC) Lana Turner converted when she was a child but she was married many times, I think she didn't practice after a certain period in her life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.115.2.245 (talk) 01:38, 3 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

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Requested move 19 September 2018 edit

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Non-admin closure. Per recent related WP:CFD discussion and WP:SNOW, both unanimously pointing in the same direction. Debresser (talk) 17:20, 22 September 2018 (UTC)Reply


List of converts to CatholicismList of converts to the Catholic Church – Per WP:CONSISTENCY with Catholic Church. Catholicism also redirects to Catholic Church. This previous move is problematic. The user who asserts that "People convert to Catholicism, not the Church" perhaps didn't investigate the Nicene Creed. Chicbyaccident (talk) 12:28, 19 September 2018 (UTC)Reply

  • Oppose per everything that has been said in the recent CfD discussion on the topic, and also this one and this one (still open) and this one and this one (still open) and this one and also this RM of Portal:Catholicism etc. (Pinging participants in these discussions: @Timrollpickering, Marcocapelle, Oculi, Inter&anthro, Debresser, Explicit, and Fayenatic london: @Mr. Guye, Carlossuarez46, Laurel Lodged, Peterkingiron, Armbrust, StAnselm, and Dimadick: @Daask, Chris troutman, Andy M. Wang, Twillisjr, Andrewa, and BrownHairedGirl:). You keep bringing up this argument that Catholicism redirects to Catholic Church, and people keep telling you that although the redirect may be legit, the meaning of the terms are not identical. Looking up, the Oxford Dictionary defines Catholicism as 1. The faith, practice, and church order of the Roman Catholic Church. 1.1 Adherence to the forms of Christian doctrine and practice which are generally regarded as Catholic rather than Protestant or Eastern Orthodox. and Merriam-Webster defines Catholicism as 1. Roman Catholicism (itself defined as the faith, doctrine or polity of the Roman Catholic Church) and 2. the faith, practice or system of Catholic Christianity. So, basically, according to these definitions, the term Catholicism refers to faith, practice, doctrine, church order, polity or system, but does not equate with the Catholic Church itself. Place Clichy (talk) 16:37, 21 September 2018 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose per above. On top of that, the pro-argument of the Nicene Creed is irrelevant for this discussion since the Nicene Creed has been adopted by many other churches next to the Catholic Church. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:45, 21 September 2018 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose Catholicism is wider than the Catholic Church. Dimadick (talk) 17:52, 21 September 2018 (UTC)Reply
  • (edit conflict) Strongly oppose. Thank you Place Clichy for alerting me. Yes, Catholicism redirects to Catholic Church. I understand the reasoning for this, because there is semantic overlap and having two separate articles would make things confusing and result in scope-related disputes. I understand why "Catholic Church" has been chosen as the article's title; it refers to the institution and the community, and thus allows the article to detail the Church's doctrine and worldview (Catholicism) since that is a major part of the Catholic Church's notability. But when religious conversion is discussed, the focus is on the faith, the worldview, the theology, the doctrine, not the community or the institution. Catholicism is a belief system, the Catholic Church is the community built on that belief system. I don't know what the Nicene Creed has to do with this; one of the main reasons why the Creed is so notable is because it is considered the standard and backbone of Christianity almost everywhere, even after all the schisms Christianity has experienced. Conversion to Catholicism is more than having your name added to a list. It's an adoption of a new theology and lifestyle. So changing the name of a category about religious conversion from a focus on ideology to a focus on the institution makes no sense, especially if the members of the category stay exactly the same.  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  18:38, 21 September 2018 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose per everything above, and probably a snow close. StAnselm (talk) 19:18, 21 September 2018 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose per above. Daask (talk) 21:36, 21 September 2018 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose Don't care about consistency; look at WP:NAMINGCRITERIA for precision. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:29, 22 September 2018 (UTC)Reply

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Should this be merged to List of converts to Christianity edit

It's a denomination of Christianity so should be merge this page with this? List of converts to Christianity 2600:1700:12F0:2370:410F:9878:1050:FC99 (talk) 02:33, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply