Talk:Cliff Richard

Trimming the sexual assault allegations

Now Cliff has been formally declared as innocent, I think the allegation section needs a trim to keep it balanced with the rest of the article. I've cut it down to a bit more of a manageable length, and I see it's gone from the lead too. It really isn't that significant part of his career, all said and done. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:34, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Not that Inspector Knacker of the Yard, would ever use the phrase "formally declared as innocent", of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:48, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

It was always likely that this would turn out to be Paul Gambaccini Mark Two, but the allegations and the controversy surrounding them remain notable. Ever since someone from South Yorkshire Police tipped off BBC News about the raid on Sir Cliff's home, leading to live TV coverage like the Iranian Embassy siege, there has been criticism of how this was handled.[1]--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:03, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

It's reported today that Cliff Richard will be taking legal action over this, but there is still an element of WP:FUTURE.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:02, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Certainly not WP:FUTURE any more, and article certainly needs another update. e.g. [2] Martinevans123 (talk) 13:05, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

WP:NOTNEWS still applies. Let's wait until something lasting has resulted. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:24, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I agree we don't need a daily update. But I think we should at least have the date the High Court proceedings started and finished? The UK public hasn't seen so much TV and press coverage of Sir Cliff for quite a few years (in fact, for about 2 years and 9 months). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:30, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

First sentence, first footnote

I'm not disputing the record sales but suely there should be a better more direct more authoritative cited source than a newspaper article about sex assault allegations with one single unsourced sentence about it included down at the bottom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:86B:4A00:518D:8BA5:3B76:4BF3 (talk) 06:53, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Agreed and changed. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 07:07, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Genre change

There was a recent change to the genre here. We should have a section discussing the editor's style and support the genres over time. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm really not sure what you mean by "section discussing the editor's style." Regarding skiffle, the article says only this: "Harry Webb became interested in skiffle. His father bought him a guitar at 16 and he formed the Quintones vocal group in 1957, before singing in the Dick Teague Skiffle Group". His next band, the Drifters, were rock and roll. So in my view skiffle doesn't really belong in the lead section, and therefore probably not in the infobox either. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:11, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

I am not speaking for or against the recent genre edits. I am simply stating that one section that gather's the Richard's genres over time, with sources, would be appropriate. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:57, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Sounds like we should include skiffle, sounds important. Being historical is no reason not to. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 17:58, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Agree. Was an early contributor to the genre. The infobox should be a summary of the whole career, not just recent works. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:01, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

I really don't think skiffle was a defining characteristic of his career. In fact, Stafford Hildred and Tim Ewbank, in Cliff: An Intimate Portrait of a Living Legend (2010) say "Cliff's flirtation with skiffle lasted for no more than a few months.... Martinevans123 (talk) 18:35, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Lennon quote

The article currently includes this (perfectly well-sourced) quote:

"In the opinion of Beatle John Lennon, "before Cliff and the Shadows, there had been nothing worth listening to in British music"."

Apart from the debatable use of the word "Beatle", I think this quote most definitely belongs in the article .But I'm not sure it should appear (only) in the lead section. Any thoughts? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

The quote articulates how important Cliff Richard was in the development of the British beat music and consequently British rock music scene - which itself is of global cultural importance. That needs to be mentioned in the lead, and using Lennon's quote is a way of engaging readers with that idea. More could be made of Richard's cultural significance (probably not now fully appreciated by younger readers) in the article text itself, but I would support leaving the quote in the lead. It may have only been the opinion of one person, but it is a valid and widely shared perspective, presented in an engaging way. Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:26, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Shouldn't only be in the opening, which needs to be a summary of the article. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 11:23, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

I agree that there needs to be more in the main text on his cultural significance in the UK, which could then include the Lennon quote in the article summary. A lot needs to be done to improve this article - but removing the quote from the lead weakens rather than strengthens it. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:02, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Tend to agree. The sources look fine, although it's unfortunate The Times obituary of Tony Meehan is behind paywall. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:21, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

It needs to be done, not just talked about or the Lennon quote will be at the very least moved into the text itself. Cliff is too notable to ignore the guidelines on his bio. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 12:08, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Ok, so I've stated a section on "Cultural significance and impact", please help to expand it if you can. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:26, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Update article

Cliff Richard’s new album Christmas with Cliff was released today (25 November). Please update the Discography section of the article and update where it mentions Christmas with Cliff by removing “(upcoming)”. Benfskye1 (talk) 17:25, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Date suggestion pre Beatles era 1950...

If he is born in 1940 then how can he dominate pre Beatles era i.e. 1950...he is just 10 or little. above 10. Kindly look into it. 223.191.58.94 (talk) 23:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Kindly, please check your facts first, at The Beatles.😉 AusChartMan (talk) 15:28, 17 April 2023 (UTC)