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Talk:Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus_aureus#new_content
– General close. See comments for reasoning. | Unfortunately, this has to be closed. Participation here is voluntary. One editor hasn't agreed to discussion. The question was asked of whether asking for additional editors at a WikiProject is appropriate. The answer is that asking for additional editors at a WikiProject is almost always appropriate. The editors should go back to the article talk page and/or should discuss at a WikiProject talk page. If discussion there is inconclusive, another request can always be made for moderated discussion here, knowing that participation is voluntary. A Request for Comments is also always possible (and, unlike other methods of dispute resolution, is binding and does not require all parties to agree). Robert McClenon (talk) 02:32, 22 May 2017 (UTC) |
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Visa requirements for Chinese citizens of Macau
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Closed as premature. There hasn't been discussion on an article talk page. (One message on a user talk page is not sufficient.) Discuss on an article talk page. Another request can be filed here if discussion on an article talk page is lengthy and inconclusive. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:35, 22 May 2017 (UTC) |
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Talk:Conservation of_energy#Time_crystals
Dispute resolved successfully. See comments for reasoning.| | One of the participants has indicated that the issue has been resolved while another has not responded to a notice on their talk page. The filer wishes for third opinion though. A request at WP:3O is suggested, if necessary. Yashovardhan (talk) 11:56, 23 May 2017 (UTC) |
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Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Users involved Dispute overview An editor has made an edit which states that time crystals are a new state of matter that violate conservation of energy. I have reverted the edit twice and tried to explain on the talk page why his edit is not supported by his references. Have you tried to resolve this previously? None apart from the discussion. How do you think we can help? Help the editor change his edit to make it correct. Summary of dispute by SparkysciencePlease keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Summary of dispute by Dirac66Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
I think this dispute has now been resolved. I did agree with the dispute overview above by Weburbia about the claim by Sparkyscience. However Sparkyscience and I have continued to discuss on the article talk page, and his latest version (a few hours ago) is much improved. In particular, he has removed the claim about time crystals "violating" energy conservation. I regard the current version as satisfactory. Dirac66 (talk) 17:57, 22 May 2017 (UTC) Talk:Conservation of_energy#Time_crystals discussionPlease keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
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Template:English -or- table
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Closed as premature. This has not been discussirded on the template talk page. Discuss this on the template talk page (which is waiting to be created by the first write to it). Also, if you want a "ruling" that is not binding but just answers a yes-no question, a third opinion may be appropriate rather than moderated discussion here. I suggest discussion on the template talk page, followed, if that is inconclusive, by a third opinion request. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:00, 23 May 2017 (UTC) |
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Milton Keynes_Dons_F.C.
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Closed. There are at least two problems with this filing. First, there has been no recent discussion on the article talk page. Discussion on the article talk page is a precondition to discussion here. Second, the editors appear to be engaged in conduct allegations. Do not come to this noticeboard stating that another editor has engaged in vandalism. Do not come to this noticeboard stating that another editor has engaged in vandalism. Either they have engaged in vandalism, in which case you should report it to WP:AIV, or possibly another conduct forum, or you are yelling "vandalism" to "win" a dispute. The latter is a personal attack, and a serious one. It is also not useful to yell "censorship" in order to "win" a dispute. The editors should discuss on the article talk page civilly. Uncivil conduct should be reported to WP:ANI after reading the boomerang essay. Alternatively, go and resolve this off-wiki with a friendly or unfriendly game of association football. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:34, 26 May 2017 (UTC) |
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Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Users involved Dispute overview I have tried to make some minor edits that have been disregarded as vandalism by one of your admins by the name of Mattythewhite. I found this page to have several untruths in it that I have tried to correct, this admin was also prepared to let other contributors change the club name and nickname to Franchise FC, and MK SCUM, which I found wholly unacceptable in fact it was inciting people. I tried a simple edit on how Karl Robinson had left the club, how the decision to send the trophies back was made as well, this was as part of a vote in which I had indeed voted unless Mattythewhite is calling me a bare faced liar. I have tried to contact him but he has stopped me from contacting him over the matter. As an admin of a MK Dons supporters forum, I make it my job to know the unbiased truths from the club's short history and have taken great offence to the whole issue tonight. I am seriously thinking about not contributing again due to this blatant showing of censorship to the truth. Wikipedia is meant to present facts .. what I saw tonight wasn't facts but blatant propaganda. I have seen many other complaints about him on his talk page, complaining about his over-zealous editing and dictator like editing of edits. It is no co-incidence that he has all these complaints against him, and that he probably hasn't said anything either, on any other platform it isn't accepted and it shouldn't be on Wikipedia!
Mattythewhite has turned off my access to his talk. made it impossible to resolve this
How do you think we can help? He needs to be told that his actions in letting the prior contributor edit the page in such a antagonistic way was wrong, and apologise for his actions Summary of dispute by MattythewhitePlease keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
The content you added was unsourced. I reverted this unsourced content, and added appropriate warnings on your talk page. Mattythewhite (talk) 11:44, 25 May 2017 (UTC) Milton Keynes_Dons_F.C. discussionPlease keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
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Template talk:The_Powerpuff_Girls#Lego_games
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Closed as declined. The other editor deleted the notice of this filing, which is a way of declining to participate. Since participation is voluntary, this case is closed. The filing party should read WP:DISCFAIL. The filing party is advised to consider registering an account. Report incivility at WP:ANI after reading the boomerang essay. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:26, 27 May 2017 (UTC) |
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User talk:2605:E000:3017:3600:3CF6:576A:730B:33B0
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Procedural close - It is unclear what the actual dispute is about. Note that this noticeboard only discusses content disputes about articles on wikipedia. Moreover, the discussion is very little. If the dispute is about an article on Wikipedia, please discuss the issue on the article talk page first and then consider filing a new case here if the dispute isn't resolved. Yashovardhan (talk) 14:52, 29 May 2017 (UTC) |
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User talk:Darreg#Incompetent_Journalists_from_News_Sources
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Closed as premature. The place for prior discussion should be the article talk page, Talk:Adesua Etomi. Discussion on a user talk page is useful, but is not sufficient. Discuss on the article talk page. If discussions there are inconclusive, a case can be filed here again, and all of the editors should be listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert McClenon (talk • contribs) 22:43, 29 May 2017 (UTC) |
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Talk:Ravi Shankar_(poet)
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Procedural close. This noticeboard requires prior extensive talk page discussion before a case is filed here. In the current state, it appears that the matter was not discussed among the involved editors at all. The only discussions were COI allegations which were blatantly removed by one of the IP's listed here. I would suggest J349 to take this matter to either Edit warring notice board or Conflict of Interest noticeboard which are equipped to better handle such as case. Note that users who continue disruptive behaviour and revert edits without discussion may be blocked as vandals. Moreover, the identity of an IP should not be speculated unless there is reason to believe that the IP has a Conflict of interest. Hence, this case is closed for lack of discussion. Yashovardhan (talk) 18:09, 30 May 2017 (UTC) |
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South Park (season 21)
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Procedural close. None of the editors mentioned by the filer have filed a statement within 48 hrs of notification. If parties are interested, they may file a new case here. If editors are unwilling to discuss, please see WP:DISCFAIL. Any concerns with this close shall be raised at the DRN talk page. Requests for reverting the closure shall be made within 24 hours only if all editors mentioned are willing to participate. Yashovardhan (talk) 20:06, 4 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Users involved
Dispute overview There is a long debate referenced on both the article's talk page and user talk pages as to whether or not the article contained sufficient information to warrant the creation of its own article. Have you tried to resolve this previously? A very lengthy discussion on the talk page of the article with no resolution How do you think we can help? Decide whether or not there is sufficient information (based on the article history before it was page protected) to warrant the creation of the separate article. Summary of dispute by PokelovaPlease keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Summary of dispute by Favre1fan93Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Summary of dispute by AussieLegendPlease keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
South Park (season 21) discussionPlease keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
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Reliably sourced content being removed constantly
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Procedural close - undiscussed. The noticeboard mentions at the top in bold Noticeboards should not be a substitute for talk pages. Editors are expected to have had extensive discussion on a talk page (not just through edit summaries) to work out the issues before coming to DRN.. There is no discussion at all on the concerned article talk page. Note that edit summaries are not counted for discussion. A good next step would be to start a discussion on the article talk page and notify all concerned of the same. If no consensus is reached after that disucssion, you can re file a dispute here. Remember that lack of discussion is the reason for most disputes. If the editors concerned are not willing to discuss, you may want to read WP:DISCFAIL. Yashovardhan (talk) 07:48, 6 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute
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Dispute overview I added Daniel Craig to the List of atheists in film, radio, television and theater last year and since then 5 users (Irish Leprechaun, RalphMachiato, Marty Hilton, IrishScribbler and DrKatz999) have removed him and given absolutely subjective excuses that include "Craig was not talking about himself in that interview", "The translation is poor", "The article is badly written, so its accuracy is highly questionable", "The source is badly written and makes no sense", "This is no more than a throwaway statement to avoid the topic of religious beliefs. There is no documented proof this interview even took place" and "Such claim is most likely throwaway remark to avoid going off topic". The only problem is that the text that I have used as source is an interview published by DIE ZEIT, a respected German newspaper that meets all criteria to be considered a reliable source, and in that article Daniel Craig states unequivocally "Ich bin Atheist", leaving no doubt as to his (dis)belief. It seems serious to me that several different users could not accept a reliable source, questioned its writing/translation, made subjective assumptions as to what Craig's intentions were when answering the question made to him and even doubted that the interview actually happened. I really see no reason for so much suspicion. I do not discard the possibility that some of them may be puppets for the same person and I ask someone with a higher authority than me to check this out and instruct me and the other users as to how to solve this issue. Have you tried to resolve this previously? The five editors involved have removed the content I added without even once talking to me on my Talk page or opening a new Talk Page session. I tried to counter-argument on the edit summaries, but that proved to be of no use. How do you think we can help? Analysing the case and deciding who is right: the one editor with the reliable source on his side or the 5 editors who give subjective arguments to remove the content. Summary of dispute by Irish LeprechaunPlease keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Summary of dispute by RalphMachiatoPlease keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Summary of dispute by Marty HiltonPlease keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Summary of dispute by IrishScribblerPlease keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Summary of dispute by DrKatz999Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Reliably sourced content being removed constantlyPlease keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
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Talk:Joshua Alan
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Closed. No actual discussion between the two editors. If the IP remains unresponsive see WP:DISCFAIL, and because there are only two editors involved WP:3O might be better if and when discussion takes place. ProgrammingGeek talktome 13:58, 8 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Talk:Bosaso#Bosaso population
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Closed as premature. There has been very little discussion on the article talk page (and the little discussion was uncivil). The editors should resume civil discussion on the talk page. If discussion fails, see WP:DISCFAIL. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:45, 15 June 2017 (UTC) |
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– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | The parties seem not interested in moderated discussion. As the issue is primarily about reliable sources, the matter may be taken to WP:RSN. If no discussion takes place, please see WP:DISCFAIL. Parties are advised to resume discussion on the article talk page(s) though try keeping the discussion at only one page. Yashovardhan (talk) 05:29, 18 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute
Users involved Dispute overview User:TenTonParasol deleted my contributions "Music not included in the sountrack" to the soundtrack pages of both Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice and Wonder Woman, claiming my contribution is WP:OR. I have been reasoning with her on her own talk page to no avail and dislike her simply deleting my contribution without having discussed it first on the talk page of those soundtrack pages. I don't think she exercised good judgment and assumed good faith. Period. All my arguments have laid bare. Please peruse them. Thanks. Have you tried to resolve this previously? Kept discussing it on her own talk page after rounds and rounds. How do you think we can help? Undo her deletion and let other editors and time improve it. thx Summary of dispute by TenTonParasolPlease keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
I removed edits made by the other party at Wonder Woman (soundtrack) (diff) and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (soundtrack) (diff) believing that the addition of a section outlining which musical pieces are featured in the film but not included on the soundtrack is inappropriate, on the basis that the edits were original research. I later added that the content is inappropriate, as it discusses what the subject isn't without any reliable third party sources making such a comparison statement, the article is on the soundtrack album rather than the film's score, rather than what the subject is. Comparable articles, including those of quality assessment, on film soundtracks do not have such sections. Additionally, many references used in the edit, and later provided on my talk page, to support the content appear to me to be non-RS or are an inappropriate usage of citations. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 18:45, 12 June 2017 (UTC) User talk:TenTonParasol#You_have_sth_against_IMDb.com_as_a_RS.2C_too.3F discussionPlease keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
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List of bus_routes_in_Singapore
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Closed as premature. There are several problems with this filing. The most serious is that there has been no discussion on the article talk page in the year 2017. Also, there have been other editors involved in editing and reverting edits to the article besides those listed. Editors should discuss the edits to the article on the article talk page at Talk:List of bus routes in Singapore. If that discussion is inconclusive, the editors may may a new request for moderated discussion here, or, if the issue is reliability of sources, may go to the reliable source noticeboard. If discussion fails, see WP:DISCFAIL. Discuss on the article talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:58, 18 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Talk:Croatian presidential_election,_2014-15
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | The filing editor has stated on the article talk page that they do not believe they can discuss anything with the other editor, and hence mediated discussion is futile. As the issue is primarily about reliable sources, the matter should be taken to WP:RSN. Parties are reminded to stay civil and focus on content, not editors. TheDragonFire (talk) 08:26, 19 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Talk:Hey, Hey,_It%27s_the_Monkees
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Unfortunately, This noticeboard does not have the power to warn users for disruptive editing. The Edit Warring noticeboard is the most suitable for this. I reccomend you read the essay WP:DISCFAIL which provides guidelines on how to handle disputes where the other editor isn't willing to discuss. DRN can only accept content disputes where sufficient discussion has taken place. Yashovardhan (talk) 19:22, 19 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Japanese units_of_measurement
– Closed as failed. See comments for reasoning.| | Closed as failed. Both editors have stated that the issue has been resolved, when it has not been resolved. The editors are advised to use a Request for Comments on the national variety of English to be used in the article. Do not edit-war. Report edit-warring at WP:ANEW or WP:ANI. I am willing to assist either editor or both in preparing a neutrally worded RFC. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:58, 21 June 2017 (UTC) |
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2018 FIFA World Cup qualification (CONMEBOL)
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Premature. The DRN cannot accept disputes in which no talk page discussion took place. If the IP is reverting without discussion repeatedly, such behaviour can be considered disruptive and could be reported to the edit warring notice board. Please see WP:DISCFAIL if the IP isn't discussing at all. Yashovardhan (talk) 20:26, 21 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Talk:Malayalam#Debates on_the_origins_of_Malayalam_-_June_2017
Dispute resolved successfully. See comments for reasoning.| | This case appears to have been successfully resolved. If there are any remaining questions, use a Request for Comments. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:55, 28 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute
Users involved Dispute overview The discussion is about whether Malayalam is an off-shoot of Tamil or if both are descendants of an earlier language (Proto-Tamil-Dravidian). This is also an ongoing debate among scholars. The dispute itself boils down to this: Editor 1: Here's a 1972 paper that proposes a Proto-Tamil-Dravidian origin for both languages. Here's a 1997 book on Malayalam that states that the 1972 argument is convincing. Since both these reliable sources are by linguists specialising in Malayalam, this is the current and accepted scholarly position on this debate and the Malayalam article should adopt this position. Scholarly positions adopted by Malayalam linguists take precedence over the positions of everybody else until another Malayalam linguist repudiates said position. Editor 2: Here's the same 1997 book by Malayalam linguists that states that the Tamil-origin of Malayalam is the most widely held view. Yes, it says that the 1972 argument is convincing. Here's an Encyclopaedia Britannica article also confirming a Tamil-origin while stating that the other theory is also a possibility. Here's a 1998 book by a linguist supporting the Tamil-origin theory. Here's a 2003 book by a Dravidian (a superset of South Indian languages which includes Malayalam) linguist who supports the Tamil-origin theory. Here's a 2014 historian saying the same thing. Therefore, it is true that the 1972 Proto-Tamil-Dravidian theory is not widely accepted even after 45 years. We should therefore note that the Tamil-origin view is the one that's generally accepted and note that the competing Proto-Tamil-Dravidian theory is preferred by some scholars. Editor 1: No. Malayalam linguists trump Dravidian linguists, general linguists, and historians no matter how reputable or recent. The position of Malayalam linguists is "current scholarly understanding" until you can cite another Malayalam linguist who says otherwise. There's nothing to discuss. Editor 2: That's nonsense. Let's go for dispute resolution. Have you tried to resolve this previously? None. We've asked lurking editors to step in; none have. How do you think we can help?
Summary of dispute by Hyper9I assume that this is place where I put forward my arguments. Do let me know if this is not so.
Thanks for your time. (Word count - 407) Hyper9 (talk) 17:05, 17 June 2017 (UTC) I dont know if I'm allowed to add further information to this. Let me know if this is not the allowed.
References Talk:Malayalam#Debates on_the_origins_of_Malayalam_-_June_2017 discussionPlease keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
First statement by moderatorI will be the moderator for this discussion. Please read and follow User:Robert McClenon/Mediation rules. Will each editor please state, in one or two paragraphs, what they believe is the issue or what are the issues? I understand that the age of the Mayalayam language, when it became distinct from related languages including Tamil, is one of the issues. Are there any other issues? Be civil and concise. Comment on content, not contributors. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:29, 20 June 2017 (UTC) First statements by editors
Second statement by moderatorThe issue is agreed to be when Mayalayam came to be a distinct language, whether around 800 CE or considerably prior to 800 CE. It appears that Mayalayam scholars and, significantly, the government of India (which can be expected to be neutral, with Indo-European languages rather than Dravidian languages being more common in India), hold the view of earlier origin, and non-Mayalayam scholars hold the view of origin around 800 CE. Obviously both views should be presented in the article. Is there an issue about what should be in the body of the article? The body of the article should be comprehensive, and should present both views in full. Is there any issue about the body? What do the editors think should be in the lede? Is there any reason why it should not also state that there is disagreement among reliable sources? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:06, 21 June 2017 (UTC) Second statements by editors
Third statement by moderatorThe current lede states the ca. 800 CE origin as the primary hypothesis and the earlier origin as secondary. Would all editors be agreeable to a version that simply states the two theories as to age and does not prefer one over the other? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:42, 22 June 2017 (UTC) What are versions of the lede, other than the current version, that would satisfy each editor? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:42, 22 June 2017 (UTC) Third statements by editors
Fourth statement by moderatorOne editor is willing to accept a neutral wording of the lede, stating the two hypotheses with no preference. Is the other editor willing to accept this solution? Are there any other proposed resolutions? Robert McClenon (talk) 05:25, 24 June 2017 (UTC) Fourth statements by editors
Editor 2 - Hyper9 - There are several areas to improve in the preferred version of Editor1 stated above. The lead should faithfully represent both positions and be supported by the relevant references/citations. Moreover, the above version of Editor1 makes a massive decision by WP editors that a 'convincing' case has been made. I dont think that we have any authority to make such a decision (even though it is a re-phrasing of Asher & Kumari (1997), it appears that 'we' have made the conclusion ourselves). The only indisputable option for such usage would be to directly quote Asher & Kumari (1997).Hyper9 (talk) 20:55, 24 June 2017 (UTC) Moreover, the origin pre-800CE seems to be the common view amongst Malayalam linguistic experts. So would it not be accurate to include that this is the case, as opposed to the 'general', 'widey held' view held by an assortment of people? Its obvious that the above wording privileges one view over the other. A basic statement of both hypotheses would indeed be preferable to this. Thanks.Hyper9 (talk) 20:55, 24 June 2017 (UTC) Fifth statement by moderatorOkay. Let's get down to it. Will each editor please propose what they believe is a neutral version of the lede that summarizes both viewpoints neutrally? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:20, 26 June 2017 (UTC) Fifth statements by editorsEditor2 - Hyper9 - This would be a version that I would prefer. Also, please refer to the Notes about Editor1's references. - START - The time period of the origin of Malayalam is disputed. One theory views Malayalam as having separated from Middle Tamil around the 8th century CE.[1]1[2]2. The second theory views Malayalam as a direct development out of Proto-Dravidian in the pre-historic era, i.e. before the composition of Sangam literature (around 300 CE).[3][4] - END - Notes
Kindly confirm whether Editor1 has better references or wants to use Krishnamurti (2003)?Hyper9 (talk) 08:20, 26 June 2017 (UTC) Hyper9 (talk) 08:23, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Sixth statement by moderatorIs either editor agreeable to the other editor's neutral lede? They appear very similar. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:02, 27 June 2017 (UTC) Sixth statements by editorsEditor2 - Hyper9 - I do not think that a neutral Lead holds together now, if there is no supporting reference for Theory 1 (i.e. around 800 CE). Asher & Kumari (1997) just say that it is a “widely held view" and use it as a straw man (without references) before pointing out that it is incorrect. Without an academic reference, Theory1 just becomes a general perception. And all of Editor1’s supporting academic references now appear to be flawed and withdrawn. It should then be pointed out as a 'general’ perception unless a supporting authoritative academic reference is provided. It hardly constitutes a theory ! Also, I do believe that there is too much theory about the development/connection of Tamil in Editor1’s version. They are most welcome to add this to the page on the Tamil language but I do not see the requirement here, other than possibly including the last sentence. Hence, the second version cannot be accepted by me. At most, I am willing to add a modified version of the last line that - takes a position or “argues" that Tamil is Malayalam’s closest relative (Asher & Kumari 1997: xxiv). Please note that the reason why dates are given is to provide the ordinary reader with an idea of the time-frames being discussed. Since we are aware of what dates are being referred to as ‘pre-historic’, ‘ancient’ - it does not automatically follow that a lay reader would be aware of that and ideally needs to be specified. Thanks. Hyper9 (talk) 08:02, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Asher & Kumari support all three statements and a separate reference for each statement is unnecessary.--Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 08:44, 27 June 2017 (UTC) Seventh statement by moderatorWe will go with the following lede, and this appears, to a neutral moderator, to settle things. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:18, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
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In my Sixth statement (3rd para), I have categorically stated that this usage of Editor1 is not acceptable by me - and I have provided the reasons for it. The second theory is currently held by all Malayalam linguistic scholars no less, while the first is currently unsupported. I would really appreciate if you could continue with the case until consensus is reached or suggest other options. I know that it has been dragging on for some time but in all honesty, it had not been concluded. Thanks again. Hyper9 (talk) 21:00, 27 June 2017 (UTC) I have incorporated (via an edit) some minor changes without changing the core conclusion as it appeared to be a better course of action than re-opening this case and/or pursuing other courses of action. Signing off the conclusion of this DRN case as acceptable. A big Thanks to User:Robert McClenon for taking the time out for such a seemingly obscure issue. Hyper9 (talk) 09:06, 28 June 2017 (UTC) Final version - The origin of Malayalam remains a matter of dispute among scholars. One view holds that Malayalam and Modern Tamil are offshoots of Middle Tamil and separated from it sometime after c. 7th century CE. A second view argues for the development of the two languages out of 'Proto-Dravidian' in the prehistoric era. In any event, Tamil is considered Malayalam's closest relative. Asher & Kumari (1997) and S.V. Shanmugam (1976) used as supporting references.Hyper9 (talk) 10:17, 28 June 2017 (UTC) References
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User talk:John_from_Idegon
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Premature. Like all other moderated content dispute resolution venues at Wikipedia, DRN requires extensive talk page discussion on the content issues in question, disregarding discussion about conduct issues, before seeking assistance. If an editor will not discuss, consider the recommendations which are made here. — TransporterMan (TALK) 17:18, 28 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Katy Tur
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Closed as pending in another forum. If you would prefer to discuss this only at DRN and not at BLPN, please close the case at WP:BLPN. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:27, 28 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Talk:Yitzchak Ginsburgh#More_objections_to_Inbari
– New discussion.| | Closed. There has been minimal discussion at the article talk page. Resume discussion at the article talk page. If discussion is inconclusive, a new thread may be opened here, or see WP:DISCFAIL. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:41, 28 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Talk:Ezhava, Talk:Caste system in Kerala, Talk:Nair
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | The parties have not had any discussion of the issue on the talk page.If any party to the dispute isn't discussing, please see WP:DISCFAIL.Winged Blades Godric 14:24, 29 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Talk:The Gateway_Pundit
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Closed as not followed up. The editors were asked 48 hours ago whether they wanted moderated discussion. There was no answer. Resume discussion on the article talk page. Content disputes can be addressed by discussion on the article talk page or by a Request for Comments. Conduct disputes can be addressed at Arbitration Enforcement. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:06, 30 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Talk:Chera dynasty/Archive 1#Cheras_as_Malayalam_or_Tamil_speakers
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | The other party is not interested in Dispute Resolution on this noticeboard. The filing editor may want to see WP:DISCFAIL and follow the advice there if disruptive editing is noticed. Yashovardhan (talk) 08:54, 2 July 2017 (UTC) |
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Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute
Users involved Dispute overview The issue centres around Hyper9's contention that the "Early Cheras ruled over territories territories with Early Malayalam speakers." Regardless of the fact (as evident from the other dispute resolution case currently underway) that there are two distinct theories that date the origin of the Malayalam language—one during/before the Early Cheras and another after their reign—he insists that this statement is fact and wants it note prominently in the lead and the article's infobox. But setting that aside, none of the sources he cites directly state that the Early Cheras spoke/ruled over territories with Early Malayalam. He repeatedly insists that:
I believe that this is clearly synthesis. Have you tried to resolve this previously? Also listed on the NOR noticeboard with no takers. How do you think we can help? Help decide if this is WP:SYNTH or not. Summary of dispute by Hyper9Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Talk:Chera dynasty/Archive 1#Cheras_as_Malayalam_or_Tamil_speakers discussionPlease keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
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Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Users involved
Dispute overview I would like the sidebar "alternative medicine and pseudo medicine" removed from this article, because these two phrase are inaccurate, biased, and damages the reputation of osteopathic medicine. Osteopathy is not alternative medicine. Doctors of osteopathic medicine do the exact same things as M.D., they get the same education, go to the same residencies, and do the same jobs. My edits have been reverted multiple times, and the person doing the reverts are not willing to take any of my suggestions, and also not giving me a reason why. Have you tried to resolve this previously? I tried to give my reasons and started a discussion. How do you think we can help? I would like a third party to make a judgement whether the tags "alternative medicine" and "pseudo medicine" should be removed from this article. Summary of dispute by Player 03Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
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Osteopathy discussionPlease keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
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The J. Geils Band discography
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Have you discussed this on a talk page? Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Users involved Dispute overview @Piriczki: is saying that the footnote on J. Geils Band discography should say "104 on the Bubbling Under" because the actual chart said so, even though WP:USCHARTS says not to use 1xx for Bubbling Under peaks. Even though the chart he linked here says "104" for the Bubbling Under peak, this is patently wrong because there is no such position. "104" means "4 on Bubbling Under". Have you tried to resolve this previously? I have shown them WP:USCHARTS which says not to use 1xx for bubbling under How do you think we can help? Elucidate them on policies and guidelines regarding charts Summary of dispute by PiriczkiI cited the "Bubbling Under the Hot 100" chart as published in the March 9, 1974 edition of Billboard magazine here which shows the J. Geils Band single "Did You No Wrong" peaked at No. 104. To say otherwise violates Wikipedia policy on original research based on WP:STICKTOSOURCE and WP:SYNTHESIS. Piriczki (talk) 12:13, 26 June 2017 (UTC) Secondary sources, such as Joel Whitburn's reference books, confirm the record peaked at 104. Piriczki (talk) 12:25, 26 June 2017 (UTC) The J. Geils Band discography discussionPlease keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
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Talk:Paramount Pictures
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Talk:Rijeka City_Council
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Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Users involved Dispute overview Me and another user got into a discussion if there should be labels "government" and "opposition" in the infobox of Rijeka City Council and, if yes, how should it be done. To me, the best examples, at least it seems to me are, to quote: "(Budapest, Moscow, New York, London and Buenos Aires and Los Angeles). All of them list simply "political groups" without distinction to government or opposition (only on "majority" vs. "minority" of seats in case of New York)." The other user insists to put "government" for the parties supporting mayor and "opposition" for those that are against him, but have majority. As the city newspaper refers to the situation as a divided government ("kohabitacija"): [11], I think we should leave out "government" and "opposition" tags. Our discussion can be found on the talk page for more information. He accused me twice for vandalism and once that my edits are not sane: [12] and accused me for "disruptive editing": [13] Also, he called me "politically motivated" and "frustrated because I was right about 2*1komunikacije and now you are going on a spree of edits on this article" (the second is an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia:RSN, that hasn't yet brought any solution, so nobody is proven to be right, yet). In addition, he reverts my removal of outdated (2013-2017) picture that represents the distribution of seats ([14]). Have you tried to resolve this previously? I tried to talk with him and find compromise with the solution of removing all the labels "opposition/government" or adding something like "executive government/council majority" and tried to explain differences in Croatian end English language for the word "government", but th conclusion was to bring the third party (and, as I don't know anybody suitable, I decided to bring it here). How do you think we can help? You can tell us which solution to use and decide if we should remove the outdated picture of seat redistribution. Summary of dispute by TuvixerFirst, I want to say that this has gone beyond a dispute over a polling agency [15] and beyond this dispute in question. User StjepanHR is using ad hominem attacks and I feel threatened by his remarks.
In city of Rijeka there are direct elections with a possible second round, for mayor of the city. Mayor is the holder of the executive power. It is uncommon but not unheard of that the opposition have the majority in the city council, and that the government (political parties supporting the mayor) are the minority. The government in the city of Rijeka, by law, is the mayor and those who support him. It can't be more clear than this. --Tuvixer (talk) 18:31, 26 June 2017 (UTC) Talk:Rijeka City_Council discussionPlease keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
I simply want to discuss this issue a little more and then, if still necessary, ask for a Third Opinion. Regards, StjepanHR (talk) 07:11, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
First statement by moderatorI will be acting as the moderator. I will comment that there seems to have been a misunderstanding about a Third Opinion. A Third Opinion is non-binding, and is not used after other forms of dispute resolution. In any case, please read and follow User:Robert McClenon/Mediation rules. Be civil and concise. Comment on content, not contributors. Will each editor please state, in one or two paragraphs, what they think the issue or issues are? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:36, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
First statements by editorsWhat I would like is for the article to follow what seems to be the generally used form for listing political groups in sub-sovereign state entities (and that would be either "majority and minority" or no label at all). I have listed several examples in my initial statement, but we can use the US states for reference (about 80% of them have "majority vs minority"). For example, the New York state has similar situation to Rijeka, with the governor being from the different party than the majority in the Senate. Another good example would be Alaska Senate, since they have both "majority caucus", "minority caucus" and "no caucus", and the similar situation would be in Rijeka, with 21 members of "majority", 15 members of "minority supporting the mayor" and one member who was absent from the vote, despite belonging to a group that would formally be the "majority". The other reason is that the widely used Croatian word with similar meaning to "government" ("vlada") is almost never used for city (or county) administration. The third one is that, if we leave out "majority" and "minority", a Wikipedia visitor less knowledgeable about situation in Rijeka might wrongly assume that there is no formed majority in the council and that would be a reason why I would prefer "majority and minority" vs. simple listing of political groups without other labels, despite both being commonly used on Wikipedia (although I would accept simple listing of political groups as a valid compromise). StjepanHR (talk) 07:03, 30 June 2017 (UTC) Second statement by moderatorWill each editor please state, within 12 hours, in one or two paragraphs, what they think the issue or issues are? If a statement has already been made, it is not necessary to make a new statement. Second statements by editors
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Talk:Shark attack_prevention
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Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Users involved Dispute overview The issue is around the wording of two sections of the Shark attack prevention page particularly on whether to include the product "Anti-Shark 100" (an aerosol spray made from dead sharks) in the Personal shark repellents sub-section. As we cannot agree with the wording, my recommendation is to delete all reference to Anti-Shark 100. There is also an issue with the neutrality of the Shark shield sub-section, which I believe is fine / wording should be left as is. Have you tried to resolve this previously? Extensive discussion on talk page. Requested a Third Opinion How do you think we can help? Help to resolve what the appropriate wording should be on the on the Personal Shark repellent and Shark Shield sections. Also Robert McClenon suggested we try "moderated dispute resolution" following Allenmt92 refusing to participate in Third Opinion. Summary of dispute by Allenmt92Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
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User talk:LaughingAlbatross
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Premature. The requesting editor, a new editor, made some edits to an article page, BioArt, which were reverted. The next step after an editor has had edits reverted is that they should ask on the article talk page, in this case Talk:BioArt, why their edits were reverted. This noticeboard is for use when there has been discussion on an article talk page, and the discussion has been lengthy and inconclusive. I am closing this thread to allow the requesting editor to ask why their edits were reverted at Talk:BioArt. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:52, 4 July 2017 (UTC) |
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Madurai Airport
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Talk:Whataboutism#Statement_of_fact_in_WP_is_sourced_by_Teen_Vogue_opinion_piece
– Closed as failed. See comments for reasoning.| | Closed as failed. Unfortunately, there are two problems. First, one editor has reworked the article while waiting for discussion. Maybe we need a much stronger initial statement, even before a moderator takes a case, saying not to edit the article. However, User:Robert McClenon/Mediation rules, did say not to edit the article. Second, there is back-and-forth discussion. The rules also said not to do that. We already know that has not worked. Here are my suggestions as to where to go from here. First, go back to the article talk page, Talk:Whataboutism. Seek consensus before making any more bold changes. In the Bold, revert, discuss cycle, it is now time to discuss. Making significant changes to the article without discussion should at this point be considered disruptive editing, so just stop it and discuss. If any changes are proposed and discussion is inconclusive, use a Request for Comments. Also, the article is either about American politics or about the Soviet Union or both. Both topics are subject to discretionary sanctions. So avoid disruptive editing, because disruptive editing may be reported to Arbitration Enforcement. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:49, 5 July 2017 (UTC) |
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Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute Users involved
Dispute overview There is a statement of fact in the Wikipedia article but the source that it links to is an opinion piece. (Please search for "This is my argument:" on the talk page for full details of my point.) I have debated with Binksternet over the last couple of weeks about this issue and he has been unable to refute me. I went ahead and made the change today and immediately it was reverted by Volunteer Marek, who is otherwise active on the talk page but has not participated in the debate before now. I would appreciate some guidance in the best way to proceed here.
Debated the point extensively for more than a week on the talk page, waited for any other interested party to join in with the debate, waited for 24 hours after asking Binksternet to refute my point again. How do you think we can help? It seems like a pretty straightforward issue to me but it is clouded because it is about a politically contentious figure. I think someone uninvolved in the politics of it needs to look at the argument and advise from a Wikipedia POV. Is it OK to support a statement of fact with a source that is an opinion? From what I have researched the answer is no. Summary of dispute by BinksternetPlease keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
I see DeadEyeSmile trying to remove some text that he clearly does not like and does not want in the encyclopedia. This approach is a violation of WP:NPOV. And when he is foiled in his repeated attempts to remove the text, DeadEyeSmile commits the false equivalence fallacy, adding more text to tell the reader that Trump's whataboutism is just as prominent as Chomsky's notional whataboutism.[19] However, only one observer – Terry Glavin – accused Chomsky of whataboutism, and he did so by misrepresenting Chomsky's speech, which contains a perfectly fine assessment of world politics, and embraces further debate ("Glad to go beyond in discussion and don’t hesitate to bring up other questions.") True Soviet-style whataboutism aims to derail debate, which is what Trump does regularly, as described by many observers, in many publications. Among the multiple sources saying Trump employs the whataboutism tactic is a piece written by columnist Lauren Duca titled "Trump’s Treatment of the Susan Rice Story Is Classic 'Whataboutism'". Duca compares Trump's diversionary tactics with Soviet whataboutism, saying "Trump’s tactic of shifting focus to left-wing figures like Rice and Clinton can be best understood through a Soviet Union propaganda technique known as 'whataboutism.'" I find the Duca piece to be a clear-headed description of the issue. What about this piece is unreliable? It's opinion, of course, being an op-ed column, but its facts are not in question. Articles about political topics frequently have opinion pieces used for the facts they contain, and for the analysis and comparisons made. Duca's piece was written for Teen Vogue, but that does not disqualify it as unreliable. Duca is known for her strong statements about the toxic behaviors of the Trump administration, for which she has recieved online harassment by political opponents, primarily male, so much so that Twitter shut down Martin Shkreli's account because of his harassment of her. Perhaps some people here don't like Duca's political views, or wish to reduce her in importance by removing her work from Wikipedia. I think a smart woman writer and a sharply accurate political piece are perfectly reliable sources for us to use. Summary of dispute by Volunteer MarekPlease keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Summary of dispute by Jack UplandThere is a long history in this article of using opinionated sources to try to score political points. The Teen Vogue article is clearly a highly opinionated source. There is also an issue of circular sourcing. When discussing "whataboutism", the Teen Vogue article links to an NPR article which links to the And you are lynching Negroes, which links back to Whataboutism. As I've argued before, I think WP:NEOLOGISM applies.--Jack Upland (talk) 04:37, 27 June 2017 (UTC) Summary of dispute by 159.246.20.2Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Summary of dispute by StickeePlease keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Talk%3AWhataboutism#Statement_of_fact_in_WP_is_sourced_by_Teen_Vogue_opinion_piece discussionPlease keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
First statement by moderatorI will be acting as the moderator for this discussion. Please read and follow User:Robert McClenon/Mediation rules. Be civil and concise. Comment on content, not contributors. It appears that the area of disagreement is the section of the article concerning the use of the term Whataboutism with respect to Donald Trump's replies to criticisms of his administration, and in particular to discussion of a column in Teen Vogue. I will offer my own view that sourcing a statement about a column in Teen Vogue to Teen Vogue is appropriate, because the article is about the term and the technique. State your concerns concisely. Do not edit the article while discussion is in progress. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:55, 30 June 2017 (UTC) First statements by editorsI was not a party in prior discussions about this article but I noticed this DR/N entry and would like to participate. Three initial remarks:
Thanks for your consideration of my input. — JFG talk 20:50, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Second statement by moderatorI concede that the term "whataboutism", while used with respect to the Soviet Union, may be of recent origin. The more common term for the Soviet argument may have been And you are lynching Negroes. However, if the term was used in 2008 by a reliable source, the policy against neologisms does not apply. The complaints about the article seem to be all over the place. Will each editor please state in one or two paragraphs what they think should be done to improve the article? (Making the article into a stub that refers to other articles is a valid suggestion.) Robert McClenon (talk) 19:56, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Second statements by editorsIt's hard to comment, because the article has been essentially rewritten by Sagecandor in a series of 100+ edits over the last few days.[21] No time to analyze all this now, however we should agree on article scope before further editing. My personal view is that a redirect to the appropriate section in And you are lynching negroes would be sufficient. Barring that, this article should only refer to a description of whataboutism in modern sources (post-2008), i.e. as a partisan attempt to expose Russia's excuses in their own partisan attempts to denounce US hypocrisy. Moreover, references to other uses should either be removed or not focused only on Donald Trump. Again, the tu quoque technique has been used by schoolchildren everywhere for millennia and by politicians all over the globe… — JFG talk 09:59, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
At this point either making the article a redirect or a short stub article makes the most sense. It's gotten so far off topic and filled with fluff there is not much to save. I largely agree with JFG on this one. PackMecEng (talk) 16:46, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo
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Talk:Nathu La_and_Cho_La_clashes#Discussion_about_improving_this_page
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Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already. Location of dispute
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Have you tried to resolve this previously? I try seeking help form Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard in section "14. Can I conclude this source unreliable?" How do you think we can help? Please conclude:
1. Whether "territory change" related information should be included in the main article without any sources support the connection;
2. Is that appropriate to state this as a fact and give this the credit to be put in lead: Summary of dispute by Capitals00Yashovardhan I think this needs to be closed quickly because the filer is currently blocked for 24 hours. He is here for editing no other article than this one and there is no "dispute" when 100/100, I mean 8/8 other editors disagree with one specific editor who is waging edit war all the time. Capitals00 (talk) 17:34, 3 July 2017 (UTC) Summary of dispute by 2405:204:6400:F012:0:0:174B:D8A0Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Summary of dispute by Adamgerber80Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.
Summary of dispute by Razer2115I am a bit suprised to be included in this dispute as I have not participated in any of the past discussions at the talk page of the concerned article. My involvement in this dispute is limited to reverting edits of User:Fenal Kalundo as he was making drastic changes to the article before building proper consensus. RazerTalk 18:02, 3 July 2017 (UTC) Talk:Nathu La_and_Cho_La_clashes#Discussion_about_improving_this_page discussionPlease keep discussion to a minimum before being opened by a volunteer. Continue on article talk page if necessary.
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Talk:Lahore#Page cleanup
– General close. See comments for reasoning.| | Closed as declined. The other editor states that they consider this to be a conduct dispute. This noticeboard does not deal with conduct disputes. Since this dispute is in Pakistan, it is subject to discretionary sanctions, and conduct disputes may be reported to Arbitration Enforcement. (However, read the boomerang essay before reporting conduct disputes. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:56, 7 July 2017 (UTC) |
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