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Administrators' newsletter – May 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2021).
Administrator changes
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Guideline and policy news
- Following an RfC, consensus was found that third party appeals are allowed but discouraged.
- The 2021 Desysop Policy RfC was closed with no consensus. Consensus was found in a previous RfC for a community based desysop procedure, though the procedure proposed in the 2021 RfC did not gain consensus.
Technical news
- The user group
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- The user group
Arbitration
- The community consultation on the Arbitration Committee discretionary sanctions procedure was closed, and an initial draft based on feedback from the now closed consultation is expected to be released in early June to early July for community review.
Books & Bytes – Issue 43
The Wikipedia Library
Books & Bytes
Issue 43, March – April 2021
- New Library Card designs
- 1Lib1Ref May
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --11:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar |
| Just found you among my notices. How generous of you to comment! Hope you're happy and well these days! Beebuk 17:11, 20 May 2021 (UTC) |
Thanks!
Deleted the previous link in the article Velar/chettiar
I just deleted the article link in the page(Velar/chettiar). since I got a message from you regarding copyright issue.
Added new source in the article.
Kindly help me to publish this article in the wikipedia. Tamilan pugal (talk) 13:08, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tamilan pugal, Thank you for understanding.
- While this also the material was not subject to full copyright, the copyright notice did say it was limited to noncommercial use which is not acceptable for inclusion in Wikipedia. (As an aside, this sometimes surprises new editors as Wikipedia is viewed as a noncommercial enterprise, but the goal of Wikipedia is to provide freely usable information including for commercial use so the noncommercial limitation created a problem)
- I hope this will not dissuade you from working on an article about the subject but it must be written in your own words, with the exception that short sections can be directly quoted if properly enclosed in quotation marks and/or block quotes. That said, such quotations should be short, and not simply use to get around copyright but are excerpts that cannot easily or appropriately be rewritten. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:15, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Sure. Can you please remove the speedy deletion notification in the article.
When article will visible to the users?
Because I tried searching the keyword Velar/chettiar in the Google but it is not directing me to the article. Tamilan pugal (talk) 13:48, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tamilan pugal, The article will not be found in Google until it has been patrolled and then visited by the Google robots. I think it has now been patrolled but you are focusing on the wrong issue.
- I explained the problem with the use of the material from a source which does not have an acceptable copyright license. I see that you done some minor editing to cleanup some errors, but the bulk of the material is simply a copy and paste from the source.
- That's not acceptable.
- You need to completely rewrite it and if that occurs I will revisit, but my guess is you won't have time to completely rewrite it before it gets visited to see if it qualifies for speedy deletion.
- At the moment it still qualifies for speedy deletion in my opinion, but I'll leave that decision to the reviewing admin. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:59, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Copyright Violation on Cascadia (independence) Wikipage
Thanks for the notes! I hope this is the appropriate place to reply, as I'm still a bit new - or should I reply directly on my talk page? Anyways - I saw your note, but maybe I'm having confusion with what the copyright issue is. The sources linked - cascadiabioregion.org et al, are in the Creative Commons, share alike with attribution / non-commercial use. I read the Wiki Copyright information on the top of the page and it seems to be perfectly OKay per terms of use. What I meant by already cited - was that the cascadiabioregion.org is already used as a source in the article, so I'm just trying to figure out why this specific page is being treated differently. Also, there are quite a few different sources cited, so if you'd like to point them out, I'm happy to remove them or find creative common variations that are more appropriate, rather than moving the whole blocks of texts. Brandonletsinger (talk) 17:17, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks
@Sphilbrick: Hi,
Thanks for your response @ Teahouse#requesting inputs.
Since I avoid boasting any thing on my user page then users go on to see draft deletion notices on my talk page and jump to preposterous conclusions. Most of Teahouse replies seem presumptuous to me.
If WP is an encyclopedia a sizable focus support needs to be towards finding and addressing knowledge gaps, my experience has been user spirit largely runs in opposite direction, due to lack of conducive environment for content contributors.
The fact is by now I have been able to develop at least couple of good collaborative articles and couple of drafts on WP.
As such I am quite systematic enough in finding knowledge gap areas, I do frequently visit recent changes of related articles and send in collaborative writing invitations to those who are already expanding related topics.
Any ways thanks for your relatively positive response. Best wishes.
Addition reaction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addition_reaction you really reverted all my work when i had everything cited??? Nickpayifson (talk) 01:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)nickpayifson
- Nickpayifson, Citing is not enough unless the material happens to be licensed correctly and even then you need to do more than simply cite it. I confess I did not double check to see if a textbook were subject to copyright but I've never seen one that isn't. Let me know if you think I missed licensing compatible with Wikipedia. S Philbrick(Talk) 01:29, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nickpayifson, Nevermind I just checked. Both textbooks are subject to full copyright. You cannot simply copy them. S Philbrick(Talk) 01:30, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nickpayifson, limited excerpts such as specific formulae can be copied if enclosed in quotation marks or in block quotes but that's not what's happening here. S Philbrick(Talk) 01:31, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
How in the world could anyone describe an additional reaction without being copyright? What is the correct way to do this??? I didn't discover it so I have to get it somewhere Nickpayifson (talk) 01:34, 24 May 2021 (UTC)nickpayifson I hope you don't think your some hero ..smh annyoing as all get out.
- Copyright and licensing are very serious issues. Surely someone taking a college course would have heard about "academic integrity" and how your profs feel about "plagiarism" and such? You might not care, but Wikipedia sure does. I recommend you take a few moments to read WP:CIVIL as well. Your behavior on this website is not where it needs to be if you wish to continue as an editor here. DMacks (talk) 02:47, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Just because you got offended doesn’t mean my behavior is out of Wikipedia policy! That’s called a personal problem! But I will edit that addition page everyday until every criteria for not plagiarizing and copyrighting is fulfilled! Have a great day!
Nickpayifson (talk) 17:15, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Please Give me IP block exempt right
Hi. I'm use to VPN please Give me IP block exempt right Gorning1 (talk) 19:31, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Gorning1, you will have to ask someone don't think I have the ability to give you that right, and if I do, I don't have the SME. Check the WP:teahouse, someone will know who can help. S Philbrick(Talk) 19:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
OK you ask and help me with this right Gorning1 (talk) 19:35, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Gorning1, No you can ask. S Philbrick(Talk) 20:05, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Hats
SPI clerk hat: Eeek, you're editing the archives. VRT volunteer hat: He's giving differing reasons for wanting to switch the blocks. Admin hat: No objection to switching the blocks. The articles he's obsessed with are under extended-confirmed protection for a while yet. Cabayi (talk) 15:19, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Cabayi, Sorry, trying to move too fast, I should've responded on your talk page. I don't do any work in SPI, but no excuse, I should have recognized it was an archived page.
- I suspect that this will not end well but I subscribe to WP:ROPE S Philbrick(Talk) 15:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- There's an article on that.
I think you're right. He seems politically motivated and there will be no deterring him. We can only hope he sees the light. Cabayi (talk) 16:06, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Cabayi, Heh, I don't know whether to be surprised or not. S Philbrick(Talk) 16:58, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- There's an article on that.
June 2021 at Women in Red
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--Rosiestep (talk) 18:51, 28 May 2021 (UTC) via MassMessaging
Copyvio on Faizabad
Hi. Could you also do a revel on Faizabad, @Rahulaybika copied the same over there. Thanks! -- DaxServer (talk) 12:27, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- DaxServer,
Done S Philbrick(Talk) 12:34, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
NCAA?
In this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Claire_Buchanan&diff=prev&oldid=687147193
You referred to NCAA titles in wheelchair basketball. It is not my understanding that this is an NCAA sponsored event. Am I wrong--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:39, 31 May 2021 (UTC)?
- Hello. I will need to try and find a more specific detail as to what this title was. Mark Staffieri (talk) 14:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Mark Staffieri, Thanks. S Philbrick(Talk) 14:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello. I will need to try and find a more specific detail as to what this title was. Mark Staffieri (talk) 14:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
June 2021
Hi, Sphilbrick. Thanks for patrolling new pages. I've declined your deletion request for Draft:Saleem Saaed Qader, a page that you tagged for speedy deletion, because the criterion you used or the reason you gave does not cover this kind of page. Please take a moment to read the new tutorial for patrollers, criteria for speedy deletion, and particularly, the section covering non-criteria. Such pages are best tagged with proposed deletion or proposed deletion for biographies of living persons, or sent to the appropriate deletion discussion. Thanks! ToThAc (talk) 01:50, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- ToThAc, I wasn't patrolling new pages. A copy of Ben Carson ought to be removed, and it now has, but not at the time I tagged it. S Philbrick(Talk) 10:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Kyiv National Academic Theatre of Operetta - Copyright issue...
Kyiv National Academic Theatre of Operetta
Thank you for flagging the copyright violation. I agree with the removal, but if I were to add footnotes and cite the referencing site, does that cover the copyright question (I completely forgot to cite)? There was other content that was not copyrighted. This included infobox additions.
Thank you in advance for your diligence. Markontour (talk) 22:48, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- Markontour, I'm in the middle of something, I'll try to respond in a couple hours S Philbrick(Talk) 22:49, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- Markontour, It is not uncommon for some people to think that a copyright problem can be cured by citations, but that's not the case. In most cases, the answer is that you should provide a proper citation to the source but you should write the material in your own words. There are some exceptions, for example if the source material happens to be in the public domain or properly licensed you can use that as is but you need to identify that the material is not your own and identify the source. Another exception is that short passages can be enclosed in quote marks or as a block quote if there are legitimate reasons that the material should not be rewritten, but I don't think that applies in this case. S Philbrick(Talk) 00:52, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
User:Shdjaoalxmx
You unblocked User:Shdjaoalxmx on 27 May. Since then, every one of Shdjaoalxmx's article edits have been reverted, either for grammatically making content worse, or minor vandalism. Please review contributions and consider restoring the block. David notMD (talk) 00:06, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- David notMD, My rationale for unblocking had absolutely nothing to do with content issues. It was entirely procedural and I'll be happy to elaborate if you want to know more. If you are hesitant about blocking because I unblocked, don't give that another thought. If that editor's actions deserve a block I am not opposed. S Philbrick(Talk) 00:45, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Dear I made an edit on this page,you reverted it. I am new here,missing and learning at the same time. I want you to revert back my edits because I added a name of her fellow actor who has worked with her in 21 films and paired with her romantically in 13 films. The names of other actors in article( Rajesh Khanna and Devanand ) they acted with her in 12 and 7 movies together. How can an actor who worked with her in 13 films could not find mention while an actors with 12 and 7 moviews find mention. As I told you I may not have followed the guidelines because I was unaware. I REQUEST YOU EITHER YOU RESTORE MY CHANGES WITH REQUIRED EDITING OR TELL ME HOW TO DO THESE EDITS--Workhardalltime (talk) 08:07, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Workhardalltime, As a new editor, you may not be aware that it is considered good practice for editors to leave a relevant edit summary. It's not absolutely required so you can't always count on it, but I tried to leave and edit summary in all cases. If you click on "view history" you will see the recent edits in that page also shows the edit summary. In the case of the reversion of your edit my edit summary was:
- Copyright issue re https://www.hindustantimes.com/bollywood/jeetendra-turns-78-did-you-know-his-wedding-with-hema-malini-was-stopped-by-a-drunk-dharmendra/story-SN4QogQE72OljaqFbBWlCP.html
- It was my conclusion that the material you added was substantially copied from a copyrighted article. S Philbrick(Talk) 12:55, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – June 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2021).
Administrator changes
Ashleyyoursmile • Less Unless
Husond • MattWade • MJCdetroit • Carioca • Vague Rant • Kingboyk • Thunderboltz • Gwen Gale • AniMate • SlimVirgin (deceased)
Guideline and policy news
- Consensus was reached to deprecate Wikipedia:Editor assistance.
- Following a Request for Comment the Book namespace was deprecated.
Technical news
- Wikimedia previously used the IRC network Freenode. However, due to changes over who controlled the network with reports of a forceful takeover by several ex-staff members, the Wikimedia IRC Group Contacts decided to move to the new Libera Chat network. It has been reported that Wikimedia related channels on Freenode have been forcibly taken over if they pointed members to Libera. There is a migration guide and Wikimedia discussions about this.
Arbitration
- After a Clarification request, the Arbitration Committee modified Remedy 5 of the Antisemitism in Poland case. This means sourcing expectations are a discretionary sanction instead of being present on all articles. It also details using the talk page or the Reliable Sources Noticeboard to discuss disputed sources.
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- Filipinotayo,
I don't see an email from you, but assuming it's related to Hema Malini, my preference is to discuss it here.Sorry I misread that. I still haven't seen sign of an email. If it's related to Wikipedia it might be better to discuss it here S Philbrick(Talk) 12:50, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Tayra Meléndez/College Statistical Totals
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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on Tayra Meléndez/College Statistical Totals requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. JTtheOG (talk) 21:20, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- For tps, this has been discussed at the subpage talk page. I think the issue is resolved. It may look like a very short article, but it is actually a subpage used for transclusion into the parent article.
Table IDs
Re your post at VPT. all HTML elements (without exception) may have an ID (but no more than one). Here's a table with an id in Wikimarkup:
{| class=wikitable id=fruitscolours
|+Fruits and their colours
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!Fruit ||Colour when ripe
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|Apple ||Red or green. Sometimes yellow. Or orange.
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|Banana ||Yellow. Except for some kinds
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|Blackberry ||Dark purple, almost black
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|Gooseberry ||Green
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|Lemon ||Yellow
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|Orange ||Orange, obviously
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|Plum ||Usually purple
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which produces
| Fruit | Colour when ripe |
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| Apple | Red or green. Sometimes yellow. Or orange. |
| Banana | Yellow. Except for some kinds |
| Blackberry | Dark purple, almost black |
| Gooseberry | Green |
| Lemon | Yellow |
| Orange | Orange, obviously |
| Plum | Usually purple |
There's a help page about this somewhere, Don't use {{anchor|fruitscolours}} instead of id=fruitscolours because it expands to <span class="anchor" id="fruitscolours"></span> which has two problems if used in the same position as my id=fruitscolours above - one is that it assigns the id to a span element, not to the table; the other is that a span element is only valid in places where plain text is permitted. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:44, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- Redrose64, Thank-you very much. I thought it would be simple, but I hadn't found the documentation. S Philbrick(Talk) 12:51, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
Nomination of Tasha Pointer/College Statistical Totals for deletion
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tasha Pointer/College Statistical Totals until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.
July 2021 at Women in Red
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--Rosiestep (talk) 16:06, 22 June 2021 (UTC) via MassMessaging
Mistaken revdelete
You mistakenly deleted 4 revisions on my page Solar eclipse of February 28, 2101. The website nomad-tanzania.com has no text related to the article, and I did not directly copy text from there.🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 17:42, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- Kepler-1229b, I didn't remove it, the text was removed by @Onel5969:. I completed the Revdel.
- I've temporarily restored so it can be reviewed.
- The text exactly matches that at https://www.nomad-tanzania.com/blogs/chada-katavi/1st-sept-2016-an-annular-solar-eclipse-in-katavi-and-mahale which is beyond coincidence. Is it possible you copied that text from somewhere else in Wikipedia which was also copied by that site? S Philbrick(Talk) 17:54, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- Kepler-1229b, I waited several hours for a response but I see you are not active, so I have restored the revision deletion. Please write back when you've got some time to discuss. S Philbrick(Talk) 01:18, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Sphillbrick:I'm here. That website could have copied from the article Solar eclipse of September 1, 2016. Al solar eclipse articles have almost identical text, so it is possible that the editor who posted that notice was mistaken.🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 02:33, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- Kepler-1229b, A very common situation is that some other site copies from Wikipedia, and that site shows up as the possible source in a Copy Patrol report. Those of us that tend to work on those reports are aware of the potential for false positives, but our check is to look at the edit summary to see if it includes the required wording per WP:COPYWITHIN. If that isn't mentioned in the edit summary the presumption is that it has been copied from that source. It is possible to at the attribution after the fact as noted at the link guideline. Feel free to restore your edit and add the attribution. I see that you work on a lot of astronomy articles, and I suspect there are other similar examples where wording gets reused so I hope you will follow the guidelines if this situation occurs again. S Philbrick(Talk) 11:21, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Sphillbrick:I'm here. That website could have copied from the article Solar eclipse of September 1, 2016. Al solar eclipse articles have almost identical text, so it is possible that the editor who posted that notice was mistaken.🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 02:33, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Ori (genetics)
I didn't copy anything from external sources with my edit at Ori (genetics). I restored this version of the history. The "all public logs"[1] says you think its a copyright violation of [2], but its the other way around. That post on the forum is tagged with 2009-08-09. Our article looks like this in 2008: [3] which is the same content on the forum. Ori (genetics) was merged with Origin of replication with this edit. I restored the ori article because there is no mention of ori in Origin of replication - it was removed after a rewrite of the article. and ping @Onel5969: Christian75 (talk) 15:27, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Christian75, Yes, I noticed that you restored that version. The editor @Onel5969: remove the material and believed it was a copyright violation. I thought it was as well but now I'm not so sure. I've temporarily undone the RD one so that it can further be discussed. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:32, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Sphilbrick and Christian75 - when I looked at the history, to see if it had been split off, I noticed that size of Christian75's edit didn't match the prior version, so I didn't think it was a simple revert. I restored the redirect not only due to what I perceive as a copyvio, but also because the article was not properly referenced as per WP:VERIFY, and did not have enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG. But Christian75's explanation seems to be correct regarding the copyvio. Onel5969 TT me 15:40, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Onel5969, I also notice the difference in size. My intention was to check a snippet of text to see if it was in the original I initially thought it wasn't but now see that I didn't look closely enough. I think we are agreed it was a reverse copy via Sonata copyright problem. Not quite sure what to do next. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:43, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Sphilbrick, agreed it is not a copyvio, but the other issues still apply. IMHO. Onel5969 TT me 16:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Onel5969, I also notice the difference in size. My intention was to check a snippet of text to see if it was in the original I initially thought it wasn't but now see that I didn't look closely enough. I think we are agreed it was a reverse copy via Sonata copyright problem. Not quite sure what to do next. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:43, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Sphilbrick and Christian75 - when I looked at the history, to see if it had been split off, I noticed that size of Christian75's edit didn't match the prior version, so I didn't think it was a simple revert. I restored the redirect not only due to what I perceive as a copyvio, but also because the article was not properly referenced as per WP:VERIFY, and did not have enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG. But Christian75's explanation seems to be correct regarding the copyvio. Onel5969 TT me 15:40, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank you
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... for what you said on User talk:SlimVirgin - missing pictured on my talk, with music full of hope and reformation --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:06, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, Thanks S Philbrick(Talk) 17:11, 29 June 2021 (UTC)