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August 2010

Welcome to Wikipedia. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, including your edits to Inception (film), but we cannot accept original research. Original research also encompasses novel, unpublished syntheses of previously published material. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your information. Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 11:05, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of previously published material to our articles as you apparently did to Inception (film). Please cite a reliable source for all of your information. Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 11:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Please do not add unsourced or original content, as you did to Inception (film). Doing so violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Viriditas (talk) 11:46, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

The source you added does not say or support the statement that "he is not dreaming actually" so you need to stop adding it to the plot section and take your concerns to the talk page. This is, in fact, the entire point of the end of the film, to leave the question in the hands of the audience. On Wikipedia, we don't edit war disputed material into the article again and again. So please, stop what you are doing and go to the talk page of the article and discuss it. Viriditas (talk) 11:49, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Inception (film). Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If the edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Rehevkor ✉ 12:43, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Mrmatiko (talk) 19:47, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Hi there, Wildbill! After seeing this thread on my talk page, I was all set to fix my error... until I saw you'd already done so! Thanks!

Theopolisme 02:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure. I'm glad to know I've been helpful! Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 18:15, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For writing Divertimento (Penderecki) - a lovely article :). Ironholds (talk) 19:09, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much :). I still have to find more useful resources, because it is too short and has major gaps, in my opinion, but it was much needed. I'll try to expand it in the future. --Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 21:44, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Fantasia for Strings (Henze)

Hello! Your submission of Fantasia for Strings (Henze) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 23:40, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

The page is also an orphan, as only 2 other pages link to it. Can you add more links to other pages? Yoninah (talk) 23:43, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I'm adding some more pages to it. Please, be patient, as this might take me some time. Thank you. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 07:53, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I found a ref that says that one movement of the piece is played over the closing credits, and put that in. Now the hook is OK. I moved the IMDb link to the External Links. Now there's just one more paragraph that needs a ref. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:13, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Done. If anthing needs improving, please let me know. Thanks. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 08:14, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Fantasia for Strings (Henze)

Materialscientist (talk) 04:11, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Precious

contemporary compositions
Thank you for quality articles on contemporary compositions, such as Henze's Fantasia for Strings and Schoenberg's Herzgewächse, for List of compositions by William Bolcom, for watching and taking care of more compositions and their creators, for simply contributions on your user page, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

It's lovely to wake up to comments like this one. I can't thank you enough. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 09:17, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you ;) - The hook is now featured on Portal:Germany. If you have more DYK related to Germany, feel free to add it there yourself. You may want to add "italic title" to your compositions, however I understand that general terms such as Piano Concerto are not true titles. You may also want to add projects to the talk pages. Models for both are on Henze's work. I wrote on several compositions, for example Epitaphium. I don't know if you love or hate infoboxes, I simply find them useful, - in case you feel the same, the template is {{infobox musical composition}}, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:16, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I have heard about the projects, but I haven't figured out exactly who's in them and I don't know if I can be a part of them. That's why I always waited for someone to put the classical music template on every article. I'll be glad to add them myself from here on out. As for italic titles, it's a kind of conflicting issue, because it might be easy to solve in the case of a Piano Concerto, but it may not look that easy in Fantasia for Strings (Henze), because it is a fantasia, which makes it a descriptive title, but it is also the formal title of the work. Thank you for all. ;) Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 09:18, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

A simple infobox for the Dream might look like this, - if you like it, move it to the top of the article, feel free to change. There are more parameters available in {{infobox musical composition}} but I tend to keep things simple. Publishing should probably be mentioned in the article (and then also in the infobox), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:17, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

That looks great! I know that that infobox isn't really popular and I can't see why. I think I'm going to start using it in most articles from now on. Thank you very much for telling me. :) Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 11:39, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I remove it here, not needed. (Infoboxes are not popular in Classical music, elsewhere there are normal. Don't start one on a composer without looking in the history who might be offended, and even for compositions, better stick to your own, unless you don't mind a revert.) Once you start others - I believe that title/composer/image/date are simply good for the reader at a glance - I can help ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I work mostly on articles that I've created. The rest of them, I just watch and correct if necessary. And yes, I agree that infoboxes are very useful, because I honestly think that simplicity can be very good for most occasional readers. Thank you for all your help. You're amazing. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 13:17, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 760th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, today a composition is on the Main page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:00, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations, Dear Gerda. Your work in Bach's Cantatas is truly astonishing! I try to keep up every once in a while. ;) Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 12:53, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I just added images found by another user, - love collaboration. Did you know that I am part of a cabal ;) - We had problems with reverted infoboxes in 2013. I would like to see the number of articles marked red here go towards zero. If you are comfortable with some (Polish Requiem?) go ahead, - in other case (Beethoven) perhaps join the discussion? - Next cantata to be expanded BWV 165 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:09, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Two years ago, you were recipient no. 760 of Precious, a prize of QAI! - I improved the sister piece to the above-mentioned cantata yesterday, hopefully to GA, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm glad you're still kicking about!  :) Long time no talk. It's been fairly difficult for me to get back, and I definitely don't have much time to spend amending articles anymore. I'm not even familiar with the whole notification bar thingy. However, I really hope I can come back to the stuff I used to do some years ago. Hope you get you GA: the job you're doing with Bach's cantatas is truly inspiring. Ron Oliver (talk) 07:28, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Three years now! I got the GA and some others ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Oh, Gerda. I'm very glad you got it eventually. I started some other articles lately but, since I don't have time to edit on Wikipedia, I'm only interested in creating some new articles that I think should have been here already in the first place. So great you're still at it. Thank you for remembering me. :) Ron Oliver (talk) 12:45, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

I wrote about a violinist who recorded pieces rarely played - and without articles. Krenek Violin Sonata, for example. Any chance? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:05, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

• @Gerda Arendt: I have no idea who they might be. All in all, I did not even know about Krenek's Violin Sonata. Ron Oliver (talk) 12:57, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Nor had I, - he wrote two ( and 6 symphonies, and concertos, +++). You are the one around here writing about pieces from the period, so I started here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:10, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for handling the DYK!

Thank you for taking care of the DYK! I read the article, found it fascinating and nominated it - but then got swamped by work IRL. I thought the nomination would lose until you rescued it! SPat talk 01:46, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure. None of the articles I have been involved in had been nominated before, so it has been kind of excitingly new for me. Normally, the articles that I create do not draw that much attention. Thank you for your kind message. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 01:56, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

That's what DYK is for, create attention for otherwise unnoticed articles. Tell me if I can help. I got help with my first article, in 2009. Today I show Der Kontrabaß, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:14, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

That's great, thank you! I'll probably nominate new articles in the next few weeks, because I'm not that busy in the university these days. ;) Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 12:26, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Featuring your work on Wikipedia's front page: DYKs

Thank you for your recent articles, including Partita (Penderecki), which I read with interest. When you create an extensive and well referenced article, you may want to have it featured on Wikipedia's main page in the Did You Know section. Articles included there will be read by thousands of our viewers. To do so, add your article to the list at T:TDYK. Let me know if you need help, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 20:03, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I just nominated The Dream of Jacob for review. Let's see how it goes. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 20:59, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject assessment tags for talk pages

Thank you for your recent articles, including Partita (Penderecki), which I read with interest. When you create a new article, can you add the WikiProject assessment templates to the talk of that article? See the talk page of the article I mentioned for an example of what I mean. Usually it is very simple, you just add something like {{WikiProject Keyword}} to the article's talk, with keyword replaced by the associated WikiProject (ex. if it's a biography article, you would use WikiProject Biography; if it's a United States article, you would use WikiProject United States, and so on). You do not have to rate the article if you do not want to, others will do it eventually. Those templates are very useful, as they bring the articles to a WikiProject attention, and allow them to start tracking the articles through Wikipedia:Article alerts and other tools. This can help you too, as the WikiProject members will often defend your work from deletion and try to improve it further. Feel free to ask me any questions if you'd like more information. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 20:03, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

I was unaware that I could add those templates myself until less than a month ago. I'm currently planning to add them, but it will take me some time. As for the Partita, I would add Wikiproject Poland, but I'm not sure if it's very relevant. Any further comments are very much appreciated. Thank you. :) Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 21:08, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

What I do is apply the national template, but without a rating, for example added {{Germany}} to Henze's Fantasia. {{Classical}} music doesn't rate anyway, other than GA and FA, attribute that need to be deserved ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:40, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

That's great to know. I'll do that in the next few days. Thank you. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 23:06, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of The Dream of Jacob

Hello! Your submission of The Dream of Jacob at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 23:38, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Please see new note on DYK nomination page. Yoninah (talk) 10:33, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for The Dream of Jacob

The DYK project (nominate) 07:32, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

A nice dream! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:27, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda Arendt, for being there to help me and give me advice. And thanks also to Yoninah for reviewing all of the DYK articles and putting up with me! Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 09:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

My pure pleasure, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for still adding to it! Try to get all reference away from the lead which (as the infobox) should be a summary of sourced facts from the article. Perhaps mention "in one movement" in the text. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:39, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you are right. I can't remove the refs for the work's titles because I think they're necessary to mention all the possible titles of the composition, but the rest is all fixed now. Thank you. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 10:16, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Fine, that's it, leave only those of facts mentioned nowhere else (if they have to be), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks from me too for your work on this and other Penderecki works. I haven't read them all yet, but I will over the next few days. --Deskford (talk) 15:40, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Feel free to edit to your liking. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 15:43, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Chromatic

Thanks for your latest ;) - Chromatic fantasia, and is there really no article on Bach's piece? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. You're absolutely right. I'm none the wiser as to why the cantatas have received that much attention and the harpsichord preludes and toccatas are not even red links yet. :( --Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 11:37, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Your revert

Why did you revert my edit? Did you not notice that my edit summary linked to WP:DATE, which explains which date formats are and are not acceptable on Wikipedia? You used no edit summary, and please note that before you undo an edit, you get the message (near the top of the page): "If you are undoing an edit that is not vandalism, explain the reason in the edit summary. Do not use the default message only." Toccata quarta (talk) 05:44, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

(watching) Perhaps use European date formats for European topics, then you have no comma problem ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:14, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

My apologies. I was actually trying to revert a change that I made, because I mixed up that table with a table from another article. I'm not familiar with these tools yet. Please revert back if I changed anything relevant. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 12:12, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

WP:AUTOPATROLLED

Hello Wildbill hitchcock. I've noticed that you created a lot of great articles about compositions. I don't think it is necessary to patrol your articles at Special:NewPages. Would you mind if I change your user rights to WP:AUTOPATROLLED? ... btw, I know Ligeti's Six Bagatelles for saxophone quartet - great work, although more "traditional". Best regards. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 12:24, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Yes, I would like to be an autoreviewer. I know I usually create more than 2 articles per week and that can be a little bit exhausting for some people to review. Again, thank you very much. By the way, Six Bagatelles is an amazing work. I'd like to expand it in Musica ricercata (or maybe even create another article). Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 12:33, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Done, and thank you for your work :) A friend of mine tried to explain me the theory of Clocks and Clouds few days ago but it was too complicated for my understanding :) Greetings from another fan of classical contemporary music. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 12:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't know what it is, and I still haven't listened to the piece thoroughly, but when I first listened to it, it reminded me a lot of Ramifications. It was amazing indeed. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 12:53, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Utrenja

Hello! Your submission of Utrenja at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:25, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

• Wildbill hitchcock, while it seems unlikely that you'd be able to expand the article by another 7000 or so prose characters, if you think you want to and could do so in the fairly near future, we could keep the nomination open. Otherwise, as Matty.007 notes, your best bet to feature it in DYK would be to get it to Good Article status and then nominate it within five days of it passing. Please let us know. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:00, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

• • I just replied at my nomination's entry. Thank you for contacting me before deleting it. :) Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 07:34, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Clytus

Thank you for the etudes. Did you know that the conductor is another case like the Requiem? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:10, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Do you mean that Clytus also conducted Ligeti's Requiem? No, as a matter of fact, I didn't, and I'm surprised that there's no information of it other than the main article's. :) Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 01:06, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

No, it's simply that I didn't start his article, but did most of the work, - like Polish Requiem ;) - Feel free to improve, it's a while ago. Ligeti's Requiem? Sounds interesting. There's no end in missing articles, and never will be --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:20, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

ps: if I can't get an article to DYK (too short or whatever), I find something related to mention it anyway, example: Bach cantata too long to be expanded 5*, - find a singer and mention singing this cantata, - the piece gets almost as many views as the bolded singer, - a good reason not to have many links in a hook unless you want views, btw, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Actually, in the case of my DYK, the hook had been refuted shortly after being nominated, so I guess it would lose automatically anyway. But that's an awesome piece of advice. I would have never thought of that. To be totally honest, I usually take articles to DYK because I want them reviewed by other people (and changed if necessary). I'm afraid I don't have many resources available here, so I guess there has to be some other people around the internet who does have access to higher quality (paid) resources. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 08:58, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I think another good reason to go to DYK is for things being seen that would otherwise stay hidden. I didn't get major improvement of articles, but some nice unexpected responses, one viola player who was glad to see viola on the Main page (that was actually the shortest between nomination and appearing, - I ate a roll and didn't see the nomination anymore - because it was in the queue already), and one who was happy that I had written about his relative ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh no! Hope I didn't scupper a DYK nomination for Utrenja by querying its film use! You're doing good work here, and you've just inspired me to listen to the 1973 recording for the first time in at least 10 years – I think I still prefer it to the newer Naxos one. Incidentally, whilst the article gives "Utrenia" as an alternative spelling, the 1989 CD gives it as "Jutrznia" and "Utrenya". Some things can be spelt in too many different ways! --Deskford (talk) 21:09, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry, Deskford. 2001 is a 1968 film, and Utrenja was finished in 1970. My source also stated that 1974 The Dream of Jacob was also used in the film, which makes me think that it is fairly likely that the guy who wrote it had no idea what he was writing about (it could be either that, or only sketches of the compositions were used, but the works were not listed in IMDb). I don't like Wit's version either, to be honest. It sounds a bit artificial to my liking. And I think I could have gotten the 5x expansion just by listing all the possible spellings of Utrenja. :) Do you mind if I include them in the article? Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 09:05, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

No problem – please do! The Dream of Jacob seems to be another case of multiple variant titles. My understanding was that it was generally known as The Awakening of Jacob in English language use until the EMI recording, but now I see that the Chandos recording also calls it The Dream of Jacob so I'm not sure which is now more common. --Deskford (talk) 01:41, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I guess Gerda Arendt might agree with me that Awakening is more appropriate, because it is more loyal to the original title. Dream, however, is more self-explanatory: more people can relate the biblical account of Jacob's Ladder to Jacob's dream, rather than Jacob's awakening. I think I've seen Dream much more often, even though Awakening is still widely used and accepted. I wouldn't complain if someone moved the article to The Awakening of Jacob, to be honest. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 01:57, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I would say leave it where it is unless there's a very good reason to move it. Both forms are valid, and there's a redirect from the other form. As far as I can see the publisher doesn't list an English language name at all, which may be why different variants have evolved. --Deskford (talk) 02:18, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I would also say leave where it is, if that is A common name. We will have to live with the fact that there sometimes is not THE common name. - In cases where the original name is A common name, I try to use that, but this is probably not one of them. Le nozze di Figaro would be better than The Marriage of Figaro when I want to pipe link to Die Hochzeit des Figaro for a performance of the 1960s sung in German. Performances in English became rare, I believe, all major houses do original with subtitles. However, this is Wikipedia, we don't go by The Grove, but by "consensus", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Three Bagatelles (Ligeti)

Thanks for this Victuallers (talk) 16:02, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for this! :) Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 19:01, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

this seems the true bagatelle ;) - did you see the talk of Chopin? - I will try to stay away ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:04, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

That is one hell of a discussion. Is there going to be some sort of voting or do users have to reach consensus? Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 09:07, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

They claim it goes by strength of argument, not voting ;) - I don't care too much if Chopin has an infobox, but I didn't like the reverts of a newbie who couldn't possibly know that he was entering a mine field. If I revert something other than vandalism, I go and explain. The first revert came with such a cryptic edit summary that even I failed to see that it was about an infobox. I noticed only with the talk page entry what was happening. You will rarely see a plain "revert unwanted infobox" edit summary, - for samples of what to expect instead look here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

ps: If you think that the discussion is "hell", how would you rate Bach? Two valuable editors left over it, GFHandel and Melodia (who edits occasionally). I can't answer this question easily. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:55, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

The case of GFHandel seems to be very sad, even though I don't know his contributions to Wikipedia. That retirement letter written in his userpage is disheartening, to say the least. However, if I was in the position of having to start an edit war, I probably wouldn't. Now that I've read the conflict in Chopin's talk page, I have to admit that I wouldn't even want to participate. By the way, who was the newbie you were talking about? Was it Smerus? Because he doesn't look like a newbie at all. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 20:48, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm very sorry for the delay, but I'm a bit behind my uni's work these days. I hope I can catch up now. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 20:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

No rush, the war started in 2005 ;) - probably you know how to read an article history: a new name added an infobox, with no edit summary, you click on "Next edit" and follow the sequence, and do it all different please in case you meet someone who is new to a topic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

No wonder I will act in a more cautious fashion if I ever come across one of those wars. :) However, I can't overlook the fact that that revert might be initially done to delete the information about Rio de Janeiro. It is weird how these problems are sorted out in here. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 21:48, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I believe that the war is over, only some haven't noticed yet. - Let's sort it out: if you don't like an image of a statue paying homage to Chopin in Rio in his article, you don't revert, you edit and delete that line, no? - GFHandel (look for Messiah) - You are on the good side of a "war" if you quietly add infoboxes to compositions, especially your own ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your latest ;) - You lost a line of the article, due to lack of source, did you see? That made me look. Feel free to exploit the book, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:02, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for reminding me. I almost forgot to check why it got deleted. I'll probably check the book from next friday on, as I will be very busy and won't be able to edit on Wikipedia until then. Don't worry, I'll reply to all comments when I come back. If anything crucial happens, you can still talk to me. See you next week! Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 06:44, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for the sonorities! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:12, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Allen3, for notifying me. And thank you so much, Gerda Arendt, for your support. :) Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 06:49, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you very much. I'm going to get on it as soon as I get home. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 12:56, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

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Dance Suite

Thank you for that one! Tanz Suite is un-German ;) - UE has Tanz-Suite in their translation, same here, but Tanzsuite is also used. Keep dancing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

You're very welcome. It's a shame I can't edit on Wikipedia as much as I'd like to. Do you think that that nomenclature could also be explained in the article (maybe a footnote)? I thought at first it was a bit of a shabby translation (as sometimes happens in classical music). Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 06:24, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't load a explanation of German to the article, but perhaps use the German UE as a ref for the German name, and the English UE anyway ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

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Looking at the article made me laugh! (You have probably no idea what the means today.) Please find 100 more characters of prose to make it long enough for DYK, the title alone does it, - we didn't have anything like it since Hindemith's Ouvertüre zum "Fliegenden Holländer", wie sie eine schlechte Kurkapelle morgens um 7 am Brunnen vom Blatt spielt ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:25, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, precious Gerda. Luciano Berio indeed seems like a fun guy, both from the titles of his compositions and from the compositions themselves. I'm really fascinated by his compositional style, especially by his Sinfonia. I would love to expand the article even a bit more, but it's a bit difficult, since I don't have access to publications related to contemporary music nor do I have access to the score of the piece. I'm going to try to do that this evening. Thanks again for nominating all these DYK. I really appreciate it, since I have very limited time to spend on Wikipedia, and I like to spend it creating new and needed articles. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 12:33, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I think we make a good team, I do what you can't (nominations), you do what I can't (Infoboxes). If you'd add to some compositions you meet on your way, like this Boccherini, great! If people don't like they can easily revert. I need work, missing a friend who wrote the nicest love letters and exploded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

You're right! It looks nicer that way. I'm going to try to expand the article. Wish me luck! Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 13:12, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

This really is all I can do. I can't find anything else. If you find a decent source for me to check, I'll be glad to expand the article. Moreover, I included a bit of own research, but it is impossible to expand the article without mentioning something as obvious as that (because that is most obvious, I have to say that.) :( Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 19:58, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Without looking: if you say that something on a painting is yellow, or some voices imitating others, - that's not OR, - different from speculating about what the colour or imitation may mean, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:03, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but I've had problems with original research before, regarding just that: things that are supposedly obvious but some users claim they're not and have to be backed up by reliable sources. Hope this is not one of those times (especially if you're nominating it to DYK.) :) Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 20:19, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I understand, - had the problem - but was able to explain - when I wrote He was despised, years ago, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:55, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks ;) - the other will come April Fool --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:25, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

I can't thank you enough! It's just a lot of work you put into this. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 12:08, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

You do thank me enough, - a lot is routine by now, + I like reviewing, reading others' articles. We handled almost 200 DYK about women in March, DYK? Some will appear in May, I am afraid ;) - I looked at Vivaldi's Four Seasons: much could be improved! Not even a RV number in the lead. I think 10 extra minutes there would work miracles for a popular page. - Helping with the sadly popular Maria Radner (still 3k+ views yesterday) revived the feeling of responsibility of what we present to pour readers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree. However, I don't think trying to improve that article is going to take any less than an hour. That's a lot of effort into the article of a work I'm not particularly fond of. I'll probably edit it, but I'll be away from editing on Wikipedia for at least a few days. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 05:05, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Understand. However, a small improvement such as the RV number shouldn't take too long. - Sorry I missed nominating on 1 April, but will do ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:10, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Sure, but it sure brings up additional problems. For example, those four concertos have four different, non-consecutive RV numbers. That is definitely not interesting for a casual reader, and this information is available deeper into the article. Maybe an infobox wouldn't hurt, but as I see it, re-structuring the article would take up too much time. I'll think about it, since I'm unavailable most of the time. Work takes most of my time, unfortunately. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 17:29, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

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Look what I found searching for something else ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:20, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

When I was subscribed to the Berlin Phil's Digital Concert Hall, I was truly fascinated by the straightforwardness and, at the same time, the amount of musical discourse complexity of Gruber's Frankenstein!!. He is definitely an interesting composer. A bit eccentric, though, but enticing nonetheless. I want to find some time to edit what you pointed out in Charivari (Gruber), but I barely have time to respond. :( Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 13:49, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

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