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July 3Edit

Flag for under-representation of womenEdit

My question is prompted by the article "William Beechey". I noticed that the section about his family mentions "many children" but only five are named. All are male. It is possible they were mentioned because they are notable, and the absence of women reflects the Georgian period.

Nevertheless, I sought some way to flag this discrepancy. There is a template "globalise" to indicate a geographic bias, and there are templates related to lack of neutrality. However, I couldn't come up with a template to say "this article ignores women", putting it bluntly.

Is there a way to highlight a gender bias in content? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Humphrey Tribble (talkcontribs) 03:08, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

You raise a good question, but I don't think so. It's a vexing problem, representing women in the past when they weren't permitted to be notable, and even if they were it wasn't recorded. In the case of William Beechey, his male children have articles. His female children don't; they may very well have been smarter and better than the boys, but weren't allowed to develop it; it is what it is. It's a problem of the course and the recording of history, and my personal opinion is that that is beyond our purview to rectify, so I don't think it should be tagged, no. Herostratus (talk) 04:15, 3 July 2022 (UTC)


Thank you for your answer Herostratus: "There is no such flag."
Nevertheless, you have assumed that the female children are not notable because no Wikipedia articles about them are included in the William Beechey article. That assumption, in itself, highlights the underlying systemic bias: by excluding "non-notables" we are automatically marginalising women. (Please don't take offence; I'm just trying to address the prejudices we all hold.)
The article about his wife, portraitist Anne Beechey, seems to have a complete list of their children. Two female children are "ladies in red", suggesting that articles about them simply haven't been created yet. But at least all the children are named rather than giving the impression that the female children didn't exist, historically.
As a result of my concern, I have signed up for WikiProject Women's History. I will try to find out more about the Beechey's daughters. I think it would be useful to have a template similar to "globalise" so I will keep that in mind.
Humphrey Tribble (talk) 07:18, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Humphrey Tribble, You might also really enjoy the Women in Red project if you're not already signed up for it. I often suggest, in these cases, that the daughters' names just be added to the article (as long as there are reliable sources that name them) and I think having those redlinks in there makes it more likely for someone else to be bold and start writing an article. It's a worthwhile thing to think about. Jessamyn (my talk page) 20:03, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

A page I contributed to was flagged inaccuratelyEdit

Hi, I'm a fan of the band Dead Posey. I've been contributing and citing their wiki page as well as the members wiki pages and today I made some small edits on their main band page and I was falsely flagged as a "paid contributor" by PRAXIDICAE. I'm just a fan of the band that wants to help them anyway I can & I am not being paid by them. I have followed wiki guidelines and have cited all the sources. How do I go about getting this flag taken off of the top of the bands wiki page? Thank you for your time. Poewritesthings (talk) 04:40, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

I removed it like ten minutes ago. Refresh the page. PRAXIDICAE🌈 04:41, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Houston Apollos Simi Pro Hockey TeamEdit

Hello, I just wanted to share some additional information after reading about the Houston Apollos Hockey team from 1979 - 1980 81 This Team traveled & played against the Historic USA Olympic February 22, 1980 Hockey Team that defeated the Russians which later became a motion feature movie. I watched a game one evening in Wichita Kansas in 1979 & was able to be seated directly next to the glass of the Houston Apollos. The Olympic Hockey team played an amazing game against a Profession Hockey Team that night. If my memory serves me right the Olympic team did barely win in the closing minutes. I think that if it were not for teams such as the Houston Apollos to prepare this Historic Hockey Team in 1979 before the Olympics. It is in my opinion the USA Olympic Hockey Team would not have accelerated to prominence they had achieved without the help of the Houston Apollos Hockey Team. I wish some investigation can be done & some additional facts be added to Wikipedia of how important this Houston Hockey Team played in History of the 1980 Olympic Hockey Team USA.

Thank you 2600:8800:7B82:6A00:8461:3694:7B43:9218 (talk) 05:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! The best place to have this discussion is on the article's talk page: Talk:Houston Apollos. Please provide any published reliable sources that confirm your statements. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:16, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

hiEdit

uhhh 🙄 can you gib me some help about EdItInG? Kanjishowa21-4 (talk) 09:03, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Kanjishowa21-4. So far, all your edits to articles have been reverted (that is, undone by another editor) because they have not been constructive: they have not improved the text for our readers. So please proceed very slowly and be sure the information you add has a reliable source. We do expect our editors to be competent and to gain experience you should start with simple tasks, for example as listed at the task centre. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Kanjishowa21-4: Hi there! To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and try The Wikipedia Adventure. GoingBatty (talk) 14:13, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
@Michael D. Turnbull: I stopped directing people to WP:TWA after finding it to be buggy. I started a decision tree that might help also you with general editing and Wikipedia usage scenarios. WP:TRIAGE TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:40, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
I think that Timtempleton meant that comment for you, GoingBatty, rather than me. I don't recommend TWA any longer. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Asking about using multiple accountsEdit

Can I contribute using more than one account at the same time? Dinesh | Talk 10:53, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Dineshswamiin There are legitimate uses of alternative or additional accounts, see WP:VALIDALT. In general, if you have an alternative account, it should be clearly identified as such on its user page. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
More specifically: if you have multiple accounts, the user page for each should list all the others, and preferably give the reasons for their existence. Maproom (talk) 13:06, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

PasswordEdit

Help, help, help. I forgot my Wikipedia password and I still remember my email address. How can I get my password back? 95.0.153.26 (talk) 13:25, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:FAQ/Technical. 331dot (talk) 13:41, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Recover old accountEdit

Hello,

I'd like to log in to my old Wikipedia / Wikimedia Commons account with the username [removed for privacy] – however, since I created this account back in 2009, I unfortunately forgot both email address and password associated with it. I tried to guess both, but I always get the error message "Incorrect password or confirmation code entered. Please try again.". Since this is the username I use on a lot of platforms, I'd really like to get access to it.

Could the email address be changed to my current one, so I can request a password reset?

Thanks. 2804 (talk) 14:10, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@2804: Usernames are case sensitive and the first character is automatically capitalized. There is no [removed for privacy] or [removed for privacy]. [removed for privacy] was uploaded by [removed for privacy] with capital M. [removed for privacy] only shows 34 edits. Email addresses are only reset in rare circumstances with far more edits. Usernames with significant edits cannot be usurped. [removed for privacy] does have an email address set but I don't have access to it. You don't have to enter an email address at commons:Special:PasswordReset but remember capital M and check the inbox of any old email account you have access to. Passwords never expire. If you don't remember the password and cannot receive mails at the stored address then you cannot gain access to the account or username. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:59, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

I want to add pronunciationEdit

I want to add the pronunciation to an article about an Italian. Do I need a source to even if I'm an Italian native speaker? If so, what kind of source do I use? Dr Salvus 19:44, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus: Yes, you need to provide a source that shows the pronunciation you want to add. See Milan and Moscow for some sourcing examples. RudolfRed (talk) 21:11, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
A link to somebody who pronounces the name isn't fine? Dr Salvus 21:17, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
It needs to be published in a reliable source. See WP:RS for guidance. RudolfRed (talk) 21:33, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
I'd say if the pronunciation would be obvious to somebody who speaks Italian, there is an argument to be made that it's common knowledge and doesn't need verification, but citing a source would still be better. Rummskartoffel 21:19, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

July 4Edit

Redirect movesEdit

I have been closing move requests as a non-admin for a few weeks now, but I am still unsure of how to swap names between an article and a redirect as a non-page mover. Do I send the request to WP:RMT? Or do I tag the page for moving with G6 via Twinkle? I have had pages moved by doing the latter with Template:Db-g6 (Reason:Moved per talk page consensus), though I am unsure if the CSD tagging is appropriate. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 00:58, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello? Is this not the right place to ask this question? CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 23:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions § Non-admin closure says: Editors are permitted to close the discussion and file a technical move with a link to the closed discussion. In case that doesn't answer your question and you don't get a better answer before this section is archived, you may want to try asking at WT:RM. Rummskartoffel 14:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Balance wheelEdit

I purchased a Seth Thomas mantel clock that was loosing 2 minutes every day. I received information that to make the clock run faster take two weights out of the wheel I did that, the problem is I must have installed the balance wheel wrong inside the clock, because the wheel is not turning Is there any way I could receive some help on this. 69.87.224.134 (talk) 06:58, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

This page is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. We have Wikipedia:Reference desk but you'd have to WP:REGISTER to try that. Perhaps try someplace like Quora? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:03, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
The reference desk (for which you don't need an account) is for answering questions with referenced answers, rather than practical help with clock repairs. I suggest you return the clock to the retailer for replacement.--Shantavira|feed me 08:17, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
@Shantavira, at the rd it says "Editing of this page by new or unregistered users is currently disabled.". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:15, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Nevermind, that doesn't seem to apply to the separate rd:s. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:18, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

TablesEdit

How do I make a table in Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by FreddyWitDa$tacks (talkcontribs) 10:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

For help on tables, try Help:Table. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

First Article got deletedEdit

Hello,

I would like to restore my article so that I can make an appropriate changes to it. Since it was deleted for a WP:G11 and not for any copywrite violation and can be improved by changing the content with a neutral point of view and by deleting some external links. Are there any possible solutions? Jaz van (talk) 12:52, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Jaz van You may request restoration at WP:REFUND. It would probably be restored to Draft space so you can submit it for a review before it is formally part of the encyclopedia. It will need to read less like a university brochure and more like an article that summarizes independent reliable sources. If you are associated with the college, please read WP:COI. 331dot (talk) 12:59, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Jaz van I was in error, G11 deletions cannot be restored. 331dot (talk) 19:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
@Jaz van The first thing you should do is ask the deleting administrator if they are willing to restore the content so you can work on it. If they refuse then you can contest it, but for G11 speedy deletions this has to be done at WP:Deletion review rather than WP:requests for undeletion (as it is not an uncontroversial, routine action). At deletion review you would have a week long discussion where you would need to argue that G11 was incorrectly applied, and that the draft was not unambiguous promotion. The only deletion decisions that cannot be appealed are those involving copyright, slander/attack pages and those that involve content that is illegal in the United States. Honestly, it's probably easier to start a new draft if the deleting admin will not agree to restoration. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 20:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Should the awards section in infoboxes include the date?Edit

I have noticed that some awards sections in infoboxes include the date and some do not (even though the date is known). What is the preferred style?
Example: "Nobel Peace Prize (2022)" vs "Nobel Peace Prize" Aankom (talk) 13:50, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@Aankom: In the infobox for World Food Programme, their award is linked to the main Nobel Prize article, and the year of the award is linked to a different article, the one for the actual award from that year. I think that's an elegant solution. I don't see any usage guidelines associated with that parameter in Template:Infobox person, so there doesn't seem to be a right or wrong way. Does that answer your question? TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:36, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Yes, that seems to be an elegant solution! Aankom (talk) 12:46, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Archive Template is not linking correctEdit

On Talk:War on I-4, the template archives is not correctly linking to the archive page Talk:War on I-4/Archives/ 1. It appears that the bot, ClueBot III (operated by Cobi), may have not built the page with the correct naming convention. I don't want to move the page on the chance that causes more problems for the bot. I am looking for help from Cobi or someone else with knowledge on the bot/template. Elisfkc (talk) 16:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

There was a bad archiveprefix parameter. I have fixed it [1] and moved the archive to the expected name Talk:War on I-4/Archive 1. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:18, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Thanks, I feel like a idiot for missing that. Elisfkc (talk) 00:27, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
@Elisfkc: It's easy to miss. Lots of editors have done it when they asked for archiving help so I eventually created Category:Pages where archive parameter is not a subpage for another archiving bot. The category originally had around 2700 pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Copyright QuestionEdit

I'm working on an article on something called the "Livingston Chart" or "Livingston Plot".[2] The trick is turning out to be figuring out the copyright status of various versions of the chart. The one I linked above is in Symmetry Magazine, which is an official publication of two national laboratories and the United States Department of Energy. Per WP:PD, U.S. government works are in the public domain BUT most works provided by national labs aren't. The Symmetry Magazine terms of use make pretty clear that they AREN'T putting the material in the public domain, unless I'm reading them wrong.

So back to the drawing board. Next up is the version in the 2001 Snowmass Report. This report is produced for the DOE Office of Science and Technology Policy periodically to guide future policy on particle accelerator dvelopment... but is published by SLAC. I'm fuzzy on how a claim of public domain on that one would be treated.

One approach would be just to reproduce the chart myself - the data is all public, and it would literally be a question of just throwing the numbers back into a charting program and making my own. But does that constitute WP:OR?

This chart is a pretty essential diagram in the field of accelerator physics. There's no question of its wiki-notability. I'm just kind of baffled by how best to actually get it in here.

Thanks for any advice. PianoDan (talk) 17:05, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Correction: Snowmass is from the US DOE Office of Scientific and Technical information. PianoDan (talk) 17:07, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
PianoDan, both Fermilab and SLAC are public/private partnerships. The DOE provides that funding but the labs are administered, managed, operated and staffed by private-sector organizations. Cullen328 (talk) 20:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
That's what I gathered. What about the OSTI report? Or making the chart myself from scratch? PianoDan (talk) 05:13, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

SEARCH HISTORYEdit

HOW TO DELETE SEARCH HISTORY Johnmascaro1 (talk) 18:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@Johnmascaro1: This doesn't seem to be Wikipedia-related. Google is your friend as it varies across browsers. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:32, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
@Johnmascaro1: To expand on that: Wikipedia software does not retain users' search history. Anything you see below when you click into the "Search Wikipedia" box has been remembered and placed there by your browser. In most cases, you should be able to hover over the suggestions and hit a delete (trash) button, or set the browser so it never shows these at all. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:11, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Bhojpuri language pageEdit

There are multiple users who are trying to spread wrong information on Wikipedia page of Bhojpuri language — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.237.117.196 (talk) 20:35, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello. Then, you can try discussing it on the talk page of the article. Click the 'talk' tab at the top to get to the talk page, and press 'new section' to start a new topic. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 20:36, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Contradiction/Discrepency ReportingEdit

Preamble

I'm seeing a contextual contraction (hypocrisy) found on the page "Polyarchy".

Explanation of the Issue:

The opening statement and "summary table" of this page are in disagreement because the opening statement says:

- "It takes the form of neither a dictatorship nor a democracy" (line 2)

...whereas the "summary table" identifies the page's topic as "Democracy". (Row 1: line 2)

Question:

How would I request an appeal / revisitation of this page, on account of those issues? Daanksy (talk) 21:42, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Daanksy. There isn't anybody to "report" such issues to. They are resolved by a consensus among interested editors - of which you are one. If you can see a way of resolving the problem (within Wikipedia's principles of verifiability, neutral point of view, and no original research) then you are welcome to edit the article; alternatively, you can raise the issue on the talk pageTalk:Polyarchy, and see who joins the discussion. You might also put a note at WT:WikiProject Politics pointing to the discussion you start. ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
@Daanksy: It's not a "summary table" and doesn't define the page's topic. An infobox is a summary table but Polyarchy has a sidebar: Template:Democracy sidebar. The heading is "Democracy" but Polyarchy is listed under "Related topics", not "Types". There is no contradiction here. The same sidebar is usually displayed on many articles. This one is on 68 articles. I agree that polyarchy is a related topic to democracy and the link belongs in the sidebar. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Why is adding references to an article is not considered "minor edit"?Edit

Why is adding references to an article is not considered "minor edit"? I think it doesn't change the content of the article. QiuLiming1 (talk) 22:13, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@QiuLiming1: Help:Minor edit says: "signifies that the current and previous versions differ only superficially (typographical corrections, etc.), in a way that no editor would be expected to regard as disputable". Other editors can see an edit is marked as minor and choose to not examine it for appropriateness. Adding references is definitely not minor. Other editors may for example want to see whether the source looks reliable and supports the content. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:23, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @QiuLiming1: A minor edit is marked to allow page watchers to know that they don't need to pay too much attention to it. An unscrupulous editor can add poor sources that push a point of view and mark it as minor edit, to hope it's not noticed. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. In zh:Beethoven (sorry it's in Chinese Wikipedia) the article is filled with many {{citation needed}} and I added some reference to it, in that case do other editors still need to pay attention to my addition of references? --QiuLiming1 (talk) 23:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Most definitely. Closely watching what kinds of references are added to articles is one of the ways we maintain as high a standard of quality and reliability as possible. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:23, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
@QiuLiming1: Each Wikipedia language makes its own rules and many things can vary but I would expect addition of references to never be considered a minor edit. The Chinese page about minor edits is zh:Help:小修改. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:46, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Ok. Since zhwiki's help page only explains what is a minor edit, and doesn't describe the rule of that in detail, so I went here to ask. QiuLiming1 (talk) 00:49, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

July 5Edit

Hans_ErnbackEdit

Greetings. The wikipage for the Swedish actor Hans Ernback shows a photo of Robert Redford, rather than the actor in question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Ernback

Thank you. 2A02:C7F:784F:F100:90BB:2356:908F:D671 (talk) 02:14, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out, IP editor. That file was uploaded under the provisions of WP:NONFREE by Gpkp, who may like to comment. I must say it does look like Redford and not similar to other images from a Google image search of Ernback. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:02, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
User:Gpkp's user page is tagged as "Retired", and when investigating the image earlier I found the source URL no longer valid, and thought the supposed host website an unlikely (though not impossible) source for a photo of an actor. To be on the safe side, the photo should probably be replaced by one definitively of Ernback. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.195.174.88 (talk) 23:54, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Gpkp has declared himself retired on 28 May 2022. There are hundreds of (mostly uncropped) copies of the photo on the internet, mostly saying redford, if anything. There is also this stock image, which appears to be from same session, is labeled Redford, and I'd say looks more typically Redford. - R. S. Shaw (talk) 00:01, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I have removed the photo from the article. A bot should now delete the non-free image within a week, since it is no longer associated with any article. Once it is gone, a photo that is more clearly Ernback can be added. Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:35, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Assistance with U.S. Navy admirals wikitable (code)Edit

This wikitable for U.S. Navy admirals suffers from an extremely narrow "Notes" column. Despite practically copying the code I use in similar tables, I can't get the Notes column to be of a similar size as them. Using nowrap on the Notes column only makes it go past the page space. I'm unsure if the use of nowrap is causing problems, and which specific ones should be removed to fix the problem, if any to look like the other wikitables I've linked. I would appreciate if someone could communicate to me what the problem is here. SuperWIKI (talk) 02:33, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@SuperWIKI: The problem is with the ridiculously long organisation names in the "position" column, such as COMSIXTHFLT/COMSTRIKFORNATO/DCOMUSNAVEUR/DCOMUSNAVAF/JFMCC. Browsers treat them as single, unbroken words. The use of slashes contravenes MOS:SLASH as its not clear what the slashes signify. Replacing each one with a comma followed by a space (or something similar which includes a space) will allow the browser to do it's work. The explicit "width" setting on the notes column header can be removed. Note also that specifying dates such as (1953–        ) contravenes MOS:DATERANGE; and it's not clear what such date ranges signify. Bazza (talk) 08:52, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
You could remove {{nowrap}} from "Date of rank" and "Michael A. Lefever" to allow some columns to be more narrow. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Yuan BingyanEdit

I need help, the profile of actress Yuan Bingyan has been hacked with malicious comments the last one that refers to June 13, should be deleted ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR (talk) 02:57, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I've protected the page, this should be discussed at Talk:Yuan Bingyan. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:26, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
In the biography of Yuan Bingyan, a malicious paragraph has been inserted that aims to damage the good image of the actress and this paragraph brings references, malicious marketing articles, and comments from haters who want to ruin the career of the actress. This information is not endorsed by any competent entity in China, which may cause a legal claim, for damage to the good image of a public figure. It is required to delete this paragraph and references 1 and 2 of Yuan Bingyan's biography. Vandals are hacking her life all the time. ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR (talk) 19:16, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
@ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR: I strongly suggest you retract what you just wrote. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 19:30, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
I believe that Wikipedia cannot allow this kind of malicious comments about a person's good image. ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR (talk) 19:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
@ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR: I strongly suggest you lay off the legal threats (as you've been warned on your user talk page) or else you will almost be guaranteed a block. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:31, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
I don't make legal threats. I believe that Wikipedia cannot allow this kind of malicious comments about a person's good image. ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR (talk) 19:45, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
I am not making legal threats, I am only indicating that this is a slander, because there is no evidence of a controlling entity to support these comments. They are required to delete that paragraph. ALGUIENQUETIENEALGOQUEDECIR (talk) 19:46, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
A distinction without a difference, as you're essentially threatening legal action by proxy in an effort to dictate content. We have no tolerance for that, full stop, because all it does is stop any discussion on the merits of the claim entirely. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 23:42, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Note: OP has been blocked. Eagleash (talk) 20:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

What is the correct spelling of a name?Edit

I had created the article Cătălin Tecuceanu as it is written in its original language. The article has been moved with the justification that it must be written as is in the language of the new citizenship. How are things? --Kasper2006 (talk) 05:14, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Kasper2006 It should be written in the same way as most English-language sources write it, per WP:COMMONNAME. Absent English langauge sources, it should be as whichever sources you are using write it. 331dot (talk) 08:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
This from Worldathletics is the most reliable source. Can you please do the redirect reverse yourself? --Kasper2006 (talk) 11:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Sorry, as not mentioned, I had not seen that they had already done so. Thanks anyway. Kasper2006 (talk) 11:33, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Collateral damageEdit

Civil Engineer 3 removed all significant contents carelessly in Ethiopia. Can you revert it to last revision please. Regarding The Supermind (talk) 06:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

  Done. I see that Civil Engineer 3 had removed about a sixth of the content of the article, most of it with the edit summary "parse, grammar". I've reverted to the state before these deletions. More recent additions by The Supermind have thereby also been lost, but as they've asked for the revert I guess they can handle that. Maproom (talk) 07:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
article non legible again....very bad revert of edits by a copy editor here for 15 years who spend their time fixing copy edit tags... O well :-( Moxy-  13:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Farnborough Hall for Mr. GettyEdit

Hello. I'm working on a project with the Getty Foundation and me and Gordon are gonna open an institute at my family's house. Can someone make sure that I changed the page appropriately. Its Farnborough_Hall. Its like JUST now public information. So who do I cite, myself? Kalorama20008 (talk) 08:12, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Kalorama20008 Since you are associated with the project, you should read about conflict of interest. If you are compensated in any way(doesn't have to be money) for your work, the Terms of Use require you to make a formal paid editing disclosure.
With a conflict of interest, you should avoid directly making edits related to it, instead you may make formal edit requests(click for instructions) on the article talk page(Talk:Farnborough Hall) detailing changes you feel are needed. In terms of your question, you cannot cite yourself as there is no way to verify your claims. You need to cite a reliable source that can be verified, preferably an independent source. 331dot (talk) 08:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh. No problem. Can you help me. This is all a surprise for Mr. Getty to look at tomorrow. I didnt want to make too many permanent changes because he may hate the idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalorama20008 (talkcontribs) 08:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Kalorama20008 Whoever he is, Mr. Getty's feelings are not relevant to Wikipedia activities, and Wikipedia is not concerned with any surprises you wish to spring or any other form of deadline you have for yourself. I don't mean to sound cruel, but I must be honest. We are only interested in summarizing independent reliable sources. If you propose edits as I described, this does not make a permanent change, although there is no timeframe for your requests to be reviewed. 331dot (talk) 08:52, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Well, first of all, my husband and I own Farnborough Hall…so wikipedia is publishing information on property that belongs to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalorama20008 (talkcontribs) 09:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Kalorama20008 Again, I don't mean to sound cruel- but you have no special rights to the article about your property because you are the propertly owner. This is just as Donald Trump or Boris Johnson don't have any special rights to the articles about them even though they say things both men probably wish the articles didn't say. See WP:OWN for more information. We are, however, interested in your input just as we are from any other editor, as long as you provide it indirectly as I have described(as an edit request). 331dot (talk) 09:11, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Kalorama20008, you have claimed above that you and your husband own Farnborough Hall. According to the National Trust, they own it. In your edits, you changed its name to "Getty College at Farnborough Hall". The website of Oxford University lists no such college. I suspect that your edits are all a hoax. Maproom (talk) 10:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Yes. Totally made up. Like this, here, Research Institute. https://www.getty.edu/research/institute/. Except some people don't want to be in California. That's why we picked my house. Also, please cite to documentation proving the National Trust owns Farnborough. I've been looking for it for 12 years. They dont. I have the will of Marjorie Holbech. How do I upload that? Kalorama20008 (talk) 10:57, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Um, Maproom clearly linked to the website of the National Trust showing that it is theirs. If it's not, you will need to address that with them, not us. 331dot (talk) 11:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Actually, I can't see anywhere on that page which states that NT owns the land. I don't know if the Trust owns all of the land in the public parts of sites it maintains. The page I link to below says Only freehold acquisitions are currently shown, but the National Trust also leases some land, holds restrictive covenants over some land (this imposes a restriction on the use of land, so that the value and enjoyment of neighbouring land will be preserved), and holds rights over some land.
But you can find Farnborough Hall on https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/features/follow-the-history-of-our-places-with-land-map, where it says The house and surrounding grounds were transferred to the Trust in 1960 through National Land Fund procedures ColinFine (talk) 14:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
  • OP blocked for a legal threat. 331dot (talk) 14:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
I don't think that was technically a legal threat. But it did provide ample evidence that further conversation with the OP won't be fruitful. Maproom (talk) 19:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Respectfully, saying they are a government officer who will have me investigated in a federal facility and have me fingerprinted sounds like a legal threat to me. It certainly sounded like hogwash to me(maybe related to their earlier post on my talk), but it's still a threat. 331dot (talk) 20:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Alan BlaikleyEdit

I have been trying to change the Date of death of my dear friend Alan Blaikley who passed away last night 4th July 2022. Can you help me with this? Nicotenorino (talk) 10:22, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Nicotenorino As you can probably understand, we cannot just accept your word that he has passed. We need a reliable source that can be verified, such as a news story about his death, or a death announcement/obituary. 331dot (talk) 11:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
The mirror has a story at https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/elvis-presley-hit-songwriter-alan-27402515 . I'm not sure on whether the Mirror counts as a reliable source.Naraht (talk) 15:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
I think the Mirror would be a "reliable enough in this context" source. Other reliable outlets will probably offer their own tributes in due course. Feline Hymnic (talk) 16:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
  Courtesy link: Alan Blaikley   Done but not by me. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:20, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
@Nicotenorino: and sorry for your loss. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:21, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia materialEdit

Can I use a "short" Wikipedia article as an introduction to a Public Domain book? JWMarek (talk) 21:47, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@JWMarek Yes you can, as long as you follow the conditions for reuse, see WP:Reusing Wikipedia content for the steps you will need to take. Pay particular attention to images, as a lot of images are used here under claims of fair use which may or may not apply to whatever you use the content for. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 21:50, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
@JWMarek: Not exactly, because the book will no longer be "public domain". Wikipedia is not public domain. It is copyrighted and licensed under CC-BY-SA. To use the material, you must comply with this license, which means you must attribute the copied material, AND you must license your "derived work" (i.e., the book) under the CC-BY-SA license. There are multiple ways to get around this if it's an electronic book, e.g. by making each chapter a different file. For a bound book, you can put you PD notice on each chapter except the one copied from Wikipedia. What you cannot do is state that the book as a whole is PD. -Arch dude (talk) 22:47, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Adding a Notable PersonEdit

Hi I would like to Add the resident Gil Noble to Montclair New Jersey. He worked for ABC Television for over 40 Years, Anchored the Morning and Evening news, hosted his own talk show which won 6 Emmy awards and won over 300 hundred civic awards. He was a very beloved member of the community. Thank you. Lmnr711 (talk) 23:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lmnr711:   Done I had to find a source that he had lived in Montclair. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:18, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Rename all linked pagesEdit

Due to a page move, everything linking to Loring Park from other pages should be linked to Loring Park, Minneapolis. How can that easily be fixed? CTF83! 23:23, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Start by correcting the link within the prolifically transcluded Template:Minneapolis_neighborhoods. Then look at what else links to Loring Park. Edit each of these, correcting where appropriate. -- Hoary (talk) 01:52, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Isn't there an easier bot that can do it? CTF83! 02:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
AWB can help. See Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks if you don't want to use or install it yourself. There are 74 source links.[3] That's not enough to get a bot. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:33, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. CTF83! 18:10, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

July 6Edit

uploading images that are loaded into Wiki Commons and are properly attributed to Wiki ArticleEdit

I am working on a article in Pittsburgh Engine House No 16. It is very well researched. I have been working on this for over two years. The article has many wonderful photos and images of Newspaper Articles with photos that have been uploaded to Wiki Commons. I can not get the images to upload to my article. Please help. Thank you. Fireman Creative (talk) 02:22, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

@Fireman Creative: You have to give the full file name including .jpg for File:Engine House No 16 1913.jpg. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:28, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Apropos of that photo, Fireman Creative, you say that it's your own work. I infer that you're at least 110 years old, and more likely over 120 or above. My respects! Alternatively, you are not; and the description "Own work" is mere fiction. This is what most people will guess, so the file risks deletion. Please study the "Hirtle chart", and adjust the description of the file appropriately. -- Hoary (talk) 03:10, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
If the photo was published before 1927 (not merely created), then it is public domain and should be tagged {{PD-US-expired}} (on Commons). However, I could not find the original source (the photo does not seem to be on the internet), so I will not change the tag myself.
Fireman Creative, please either change the description yourself, or just tell us here what the source of the photo is and we will sort it out. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 12:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
The photo is from the former Pittsburgh Fire Bureau Archives which were thrown out by the City of Pittsburgh in the 1980's. Photo is likely from the files of William E Patterson nicknamed Scrappy- who was the Chief City Clerk in the 1920 and 1930's. This photo is absolutely in the public domaine. It is a gift to the Wiki world that I am sharing it here. I could keep this to myself or publish it to a book for sale but I have decided to share this for no profit of my own. I will try and figure out how to change the copy right to PD-US-expired. Is this something that you can help me with? I have many old photos. I am working on a digital museum project. I want to share with the Wikipedia community but I also do not feel it is appropriate to be insulted as listing self- I have the photo- it was thrown away and I did not have clear instructions on how to identify. I want to to learn and I absolutely am respecting copyright laws. As I have the original print and the only known copy -I assumed it was mine to scan and to post hence self. Thank you for your help and support. Fireman Creative (talk) 13:51, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism?Edit

I noticed something that might be vandalism. Could someone please check?

At Farmington,_Maine#Prophecy the link to Licia Kuenning (formerly Lisa Bieberman) goes to Timothy Leary#Psychedelic experiments and experiences, impying thartthe prophesy was a result of drug use, not religious belief.

Also, are any of these suitable references for that section?

2600:1700:D0A0:21B0:34A3:8C98:350B:62D1 (talk) 06:42, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Doesn't appear to be vandalism, though I noticed you posted this to the talk page of that article, where people more knowledgeable about it may have a firmer answer for you. - Purplewowies (talk) 07:51, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Bieberman/Kuenning is mentioned in that section of the Leary article (in the "Dissension over studies" sub-subsection), and that's presumably why the link was added. Deor (talk) 15:10, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Inappropriate editsEdit

Hi, i need help. An editor named "Alototus" keep reverting my edits on article named " Deoghar Airport" where he keeps adding layover/ connecting flights to airlines and destinations page. I think only direct flight that operates from airport should only be there. It is obvious that airport will interconnected via each other by some connecting flights that doesn't mean that editor should keep adding those lenghty list. Any help to fixed this will be highly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flashthomsom (talkcontribs) 07:47, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

You need to discuss this with interested editors on the article talk page: Talk:Deoghar Airport. That is what the talk page is for. What flights should be included does not depend on what you think, or what you think is obvious; simply report what reliable sources say about the airport flights. I notice that airport is not yet open, so there are currently no flights at all. Have a look at other airport articles and see what flights they include. Please remember to sign your posts. Shantavira|feed me 08:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Client Wikipedia RequestEdit

Hi there, we work for a PR agency and one of our clients, owner of a high-end hospitality company is looking to create a Wikipedia page for themselves. We've read the F.A.Qs about declaring conflict of interest, and we were wondering how likely it is to get a a page set up for them. The client has done several interviews with news sites such as Big Hospitality and About Time Magazine, and has been mentioned in reviews of the restaurants in Design My Night and GQ. How likely is it for the page to be accepted given the conflict of interest and these sources? Thanks 195.162.126.66 (talk) 195.162.126.66 (talk) 09:22, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Does your client understand that if an encyclopaedia article about them is accepted into Wikipedia, whoever writes it, it will not belong to them, will not be controlled by them or you, will not necessarily say what they would like it to say, and should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with them have chosen to publish about them in reliable sources not on what they or their associates say or want to say? You might like to read An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.
If you and they decide to proceed, the first thing you need to do, once you have made the necessary declarations of your status as a paid editor, is to decide whether you want to create an article about them or about their company: you can't do both in one article. Having decided that, look for sources each of which meets all three of the following criteria:
  1. It is published by a reliable source - which excludes social media, most blogs, and most self-published sources.
  2. It is wholly independent of them - which excludes not only their own publications but also anything based primarily on an interview with them or a press release from them or you
  3. If contains significant coverage of them, not just routine announcements.
If you find at least three sources which meet these criteria, then the subject probably meets our criteria for notability, and it may be worth proceeding to create a draft.
Nobody can tell you how likely it is to have an article acccepted without doing this research; and, frankly, you are unlikely to find a volunteer editor interested putting in the effort to do research which you are being paid to do. ColinFine (talk) 10:11, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I would temper ColinFine’s last paragraph. Some volunteer editors (probably most?) refuse to help paid editors; such editors have a spectrum of opinions ranging from "I hate those shills, they should be banned on principle, and I want to actively counteract their plans" to "maybe they can crank out acceptable articles but we don’t want to incentivize people to pay for Wikipedia articles". Some other editors, like myself, disagree; I think paid editing is going to happen no matter what, so it’s better if it happens in the open and under community supervision than in secret.
However, it is also true that few editors would accept to search for sources (which is a hard job) for a subject they are not interested in. That would be true even if the request comes from another volunteer editor.
If you post the best three sources here, I (or someone else) would probably accept to give you a review of whether they think the sources are sufficient for an article or not. But make sure that each of them checks all the boxes above. (Why three? Read WP:THREE.) TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 11:52, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
It will be easier for you and for us if you create an account. Otherwise you would need to declare your paid status on basically every edit, and that is tedious. When you do create your account, it will be for a single individual and not for your PR firm (not for the "we" you mentioned). If there are several of you, then each of you needs an account. Account names like "BethAtPRinc", "BobAtPRinc", etc. are perfectly acceptable, but "PRinc" is not. ~---- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arch dude (talkcontribs) 15:40, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Links / OrphanEdit

Hi there everyone, just curious, why is the below page been marked as an orphan page? It appears to have a number of links within the article?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Pickers#:~:text=Narrated%20by%20Father%20Ted's,buy%20quirky%20or%20unusual%20objects. Icd777 (talk) 09:27, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, lcd777 and welcome to the Teahouse. Those are outward links. Orphaning is about inward links. If you pick "What links here" on the article, there isn't a single article in the list (except Irish Pickers itself - I don't understand that). ColinFine (talk) 10:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

A correctionEdit

I wish to correct a statement and although I can delete the 1 sentence and replace it with the corrected wording, when I look again it has reversed my correction? 92.8.82.27 (talk) 10:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Your IP address' edit history has no other edits, so we need to know which edit you are referring to. 331dot (talk) 10:59, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I suspect the page may have "Pending changes protection" (indicated by a grey padlock with a tick in it, at the top right hand corner of the page)
To quote from WP:Pending changes "When a page under pending changes protection is edited by an unregistered editor (also called an "IP editor") or a new user account, the edit is not directly visible to the majority of Wikipedia readers until it is reviewed and accepted by an editor with the pending changes reviewer right." So you have made the change, but can't see it, as it has not been reviewed and accepted by a PC reviewer. - Arjayay (talk) 11:32, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Where to ask a question about how to apply an existing policy or guideline?Edit

Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)'s header says: If you have a question about how to apply an existing policy or guideline, try one of the many Wikipedia:Noticeboards. Despite this guidance, it's not clear where I should ask if and how WP:RSPYT and WP:RSPTWITTER ("generally unreliable") relate to policy when statements from such sources have been published in independent, secondary sources listed as "generally reliable" at WP:RSP, and those "generally reliable" sources are referred in articles instead. There is a matter of dispute resolution (should or should not those "generally reliable" sources be cited), particularly the need to clarify the policy to editors involved. 84.250.14.116 (talk) 12:29, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Report userEdit

Hey I want to report this user. I already did so at this page but it's supposedly not the right page. Where do I go? Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 14:05, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

@Aquatic Ambiance: It's possible your report was malformed and that is the reason it was wiped. Have you considered using Twinkle? It's got features like creating 3RR reports so that you don't need to worry about the formatting. I also don't think that this is considered vandalism. Unsourced or non-constructive? Sure. But it seems like they have good intentions, even some of their edits are purely cosmetic. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Russell, Manitoba- WikipediaEdit

Good morning, I’m from Russell Manitoba and I was reading up on my hometown on Wikipedia and noticed a person’s name that could be added under the Notable People section.

Darren Boryskavich has won more than 55 medals as one of Manitoba’s top Special Olympians.

I’m not a family member but a proud Russellite that would like to see Darren’s name added.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Regards, Heather Lee 136.34.10.112 (talk) 15:36, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Heather. As a Paralympic medallist, he should meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, so there could be an article about him, and so he could be added to that list. But it would be better if somebody wrote the article first. ColinFine (talk) 15:50, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Agreed, it is common practice that persons on such lists already have an article about them before being listed. (I would also note that the Special Olympics are not the same thing as the Paralympic Games) Beeblebrox (talk) 18:34, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Fix your damn mapsEdit

This is the help desk, not the angry rant desk. --Beeblebrox (talk) 18:31, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

How pathetic is it that wikipedia doesn't have functional maps? The red dot disappears when you click on the map within the wikipedia page. How amateurish. Don't you guys get trillions of dollars every year? Fix this. Its embarrassing. I can't show my friends or parents wikipedia because how embarrassing the site functions. 2600:1700:D640:88C0:69BB:304A:4D51:C84D (talk) 18:05, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Most Wikipedia development of this type is done by volunteers. The money goes for keeping the servers up, etc. If you want this fixed, why not learn how to fix it yourself? If you want an unpaid volunteer to fix it, maybe you should try to be polite, and also try to provide a specific example, like a link to the page that has the map. -Arch dude (talk) 18:18, 6 July 2022 (UTC)