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User:Roger 8 Roger

User:Roger 8 Roger is once again vehemently insisting that places in Greater London that used to be in Kent or Surrey should be described as being "in the historic county of Kent/Surrey", and should *not* be described as being "historically part of Kent/Surrey and forming part of London since 1889/1965".

He's done it on the Beckenham article, where he has also had a bit of a pop at User:CastleCapt: "Pls don't fudge. Your sentence is good faith but amounts a nonsensical form of synthesis. You have two or three separate issues crammed into one sentence creating confusion. Is there some reason why you cannot simply say what and where it is?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beckenham&diff=947507115&oldid=947500412

He's done it on the Chislehurst article, too, although he hasn't had a pop at other users there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chislehurst&diff=901352557&oldid=900009996

And he's done it on Addington, London as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Addington,_London&diff=959841741&oldid=959755084

And quite likely several other similar articles.

I can understand his views, and he's perfectly entitled to them too - but there's definitely something off-putting about the way he's going about expressing them. To me, it's as though he's *forcing* everyone to agree with him. I'm fairly sure you simply cannot do that - just as you cannot force everyone to agree that Scotland should separate from the rest of the UK, or that Oasis was the best Britpop band ever. (For the record, I think Scotland *might* be better off going its own way but can't say for sure that it *will* be, and I think Blur were at least as good as Oasis, if not better.)

And I know from looking at the histories of these articles on places formerly in Kent/Surrey that *you* don't particularly like the way he's going about things either. Wonder, then, if it's time to take firmer action - to make him back down a bit and find alternative, non-off-putting ways of expressing his views, and also make it that bit clearer to him that *not* everyone can or ever will agree with him, no matter how good his intentions are?

Thanks. 80.233.55.197 (talk) 15:25, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree with your statement. While everyone is entitled to their views, it shouldn't be enforced. I do remember when my changes on Beckenham were reverted. Maybe there needs to be some sort of consensus, perhaps on WikiProject? What do you think @MRSC:? --CastleCapt (talk) 14:36, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

There already is a consensus. We do not take the view that the historic/ancient/traditional counties still exist with the former boundaries. Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about counties. If he does it again start a thread on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London and we'll start repairing the damage whilst taking action to get him blocked from editing. MRSC (talk) 14:50, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I am beginning to tire of their antics to be honest. Some of their posts come across as quite pompous and I definitely feel an air of them trying to cram their opinions down my throat. They cannot seem to separate their personal opinion from hard facts. They drone on and on about "common usage" and what “the large majority of people” refer to a place as, despite me pointing out several times that these are opinions (based on misinterpretation of data) and therefore irrelevant. They just cannot seem to grasp this. Justgravy (talk) 17:18, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

This user is once again adding historic county information in the present tense to articles on London neighbourhoods, thus implying that these historic counties persist, against the guidelines in paragraph 3 of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_UK_geography/How_to_write_about_counties#:~:text=Avoid%20using%20headings%20that%20arrange%20the%20history%20of,A%20note%20on%20the%20geology%20of%20the%20territory.. He has done this in the lead of a large selection of London neighbourhood articles, but mostly to those outside the area for which the LONDON post-town is used (in itself a violation of WP:NPOV). This is clearly his pet project, but I have tried to explain to him that Wikipedia guidelines are reached by consensus, and that the consensus is that historic counties do not persist. It is not for one person to unilaterally decided that they do and change articles based on that (he believes something that is false, but more importantly, the consensus does not reflect his belief). I have suggested that he be consistent if he wants to add historic county information, and put it in ALL London neighbourhood articles (Westminster as well as West Ruislip!) in a way that clearly states that the area in question is no longer in that historic county, eg: 'Prior to 1965/1889, X was in the historic county of Y'. His scattergun approach is causing a real headache trying to correct. Would appreciate comments on the talk page discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Addington,_London Uakari (talk) 14:30, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

See the discussion on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_London. A supposedly separate user is now making identical reverts to those made by the subject of this thread, thereby seemingly trying to trick editors into RRR. Surely there must be some action administrators can take against this/these editor(s), who is/are effectively vandalising pages about London areas because he/they has/have not achieved consensus for their false belief in the persistence of historic counties?Uakari (talk) 21:24, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

As a heads up, it is happening again.[1] I am aware of a number of pages they are trying this on, but see Romford in particular where one editor is edit warring his version in. Uakari may also want a heads up. I think Justgravy and CastleCapt are inactive. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:01, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks - I intend to do a bit of clearing up on various pages once the usual supsects have calmed down again, although no doubt they'll be back sooner or later! Uakari (talk) 15:33, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

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Would Appreciate Your Help

I haven't reached out to you before, but I think we are allies fighting the same cause. Could you please help me and provide some input here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_London#Standardisation_for_all_London_Neigbourhood_/_Area_Pages. Thank you. Justgravy (talk) 22:51, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello again. I would appreciate your help in dealing with Roger again. He talks a lot, yet manages to say absolutely nothing at the same time. He completely disappears when we refute his argument. Yet just when you think all is calm, and everything is done he pokes his head out again. Justgravy (talk) 21:20, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

He tries to abuse the system here by saying there is "no consensus" because he doesn't agree. But he will never agree with what we, and the long established right way, are telling him. Yeah I've bashed heads with him in the past, said some things I probably shouldn't have to him, but I am a reformed character. But him, he has had this almost backhanded fairness since day one. I see above a few other users have reached out to you about him (I wasn't active on Wikipedia at the time) but I say now is the time to take action against him, his POV is ruining this part of Wikipedia for everyone. Justgravy (talk) 21:48, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hey MRSC. I am just letting you know that I have become so fed up with Roger that I filed for a DR == Notice of Dispute resolution noticeboard discussion ==

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Why Will You Not Help Me

Hello again MRSC. I hope you had a great festive period. I was just wondering why you have become so silent regarding my ongoing issue? We are both after the same end goal but I feel that I am fighting a one man battle against everyone for it. I do not understand how Wikipedia can allow mass changes with no consensus and yet when they are discovered and attempted to be reverted everyone says consensus is needed for that, it's ridiculous and proves just how flawed the Wikipedia system is. Justgravy (talk) 14:39, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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District splits

I have produced a list at User:Crouch, Swale/District split updated from you're 2009 one at WP:UKDISTRICTS, what do you make of it? Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:30, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

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Well done and thanks for doing this. MRSC (talk) 17:46, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

New historic counties discussion at Wikiproject:UKGeography

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I thought you would want the chance to use the support / oppose comment system in relation to the following numbered list of items I have made about the issues mentioned so far in the above discussion:

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Southend

Thanks for your work on stopping the vandalism on this page. A request has gone into temp block the pageDavidstewartharvey (talk) 16:25, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

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London River Services

Hi, found the problem, the actual page cited shows all the River Bus stops, ending in Woolwich Arsenal. The map on the status page doesn't appear to show Barking, which doesn't help. Ironically, if you look up a different route from the right hand menu box, it will give you RB1 to Barking. Apologies for the confusion. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for the nice note. MRSC (talk) 10:21, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

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I have returned the page back to it County Borough, as the district City of Southend does not exist, the district is Southend-on-Sea on Sea City Council. I raised an AFD, to ask the community if this should be deleted now as The County Borough or be merged into The current council with a redirect.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 11:58, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

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