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Kensal Green article

I would like to direct the community's attention to Kensal Green, as I have only just discovered that the article is in a dreadful state and likely one that has been forgotten about or ignored. Some work needs to be done to get it up to a better standard of quality like Willesden. Last year I did a good amount of work to bring Harlesden up to better standards (with great results), but I currently don't have as much free time for Kensal Green. Anyone willing to contribute in making Kensal better would be much appreciated. --Jf81 (talk) 12:18, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

I have another suggestion to put forward to the community: rename this article to Kensal, London? The reason is that both Kensal Green and Kensal Rise are together here. The LB of Brent has a history article of the area on their website [1] where they are listed together as Kensal Green and Kensal Rise. Seeing that there is no clear distinction, it might be better to rename the article accordingly to simply Kensal. --Jf81 (talk) 14:52, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I've never heard it called just Kensal though. Secretlondon (talk) 23:24, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Routemaster image

Do we really want this image appearing in WikiProject London templates? Routemasters have been progressively withdrawn from service and are rarely seen in London today. There are many cliches about London abroad (Routemasters, red phone boxes, smiling bobbies with custodian helmets) but we shouldn't be pandering to these unrecognisable tourist fantasies of London. --Ef80 (talk) 18:20, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

The modern routemasters are terrible buses. Seriously I do agree it's a cliche. Secretlondon (talk) 18:28, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Alternative proposals anyone? Eagleash (talk) 19:05, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Any image is likely to be a cliche given the universality required and the international readership, but I do think Routemasters are a particularly bad choice - like using Checker cabs for New York. The Houses of Parliament or Tower Bridge would be better choices - still cliches, but at least reasonably timeless. --Ef80 (talk) 19:09, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I wonder if this has been discussed at some earlier point and the iconic image of a red double-decker was decided on in preference to architecture (clichés) like HoP, Buck House, Tower / Bridge etc. as being something that London is widely known for. Although, the 1950s/60s RM is no longer current, the NBFL may not yet be well-enough known and is a bit anonymous in comparison. FWIW, if going for an architectural image, I think the ToL would be my personal choice. Eagleash (talk) 20:24, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

a bit anonymous - a non-bendy bus with three doors? It also has two staircases and Northern Irish plates. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:49, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

*in comparison*; the third door is rarely, if ever, in use and is basically a gimmick. Also other new bus models are including some of the styling elements so you have to 'look twice' to make sure it is actually the new RM. Most of the current crop of buses are very similar 'red-bricks' (none of them are bendy, so being non-bendy is hardly an individual characteristic) and do not stand out but the old RM was instantly recognisable. Got a suggestion for an alternative image BTW? Eagleash (talk) 03:04, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I certainly wouldn't suggest using a new RM image. Maybe the old image is the best compromise after all. I do find it jars a bit when it pops up on a talk page though. --Ef80 (talk) 10:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

London Article

Dear WikiProject London,

I am an editor interested in promoting the London article from GA status to FA status. I would like to know if any of you are currently working on this article and whether you know what is currently holding the article back. Thanks for your time! 16:40, 22 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kabiryani (talk • contribs)

@Kabiryani:, I see that you are a new editor. May I suggest that you set your sights a little lower? Quite frankly, London is a massive article, attracts around 100,000 views a week, and is not a high-standard GA article at the moment; so it would require a concerted effort by more than one Wikipedia editor, no matter how experienced they are, to get it up to FA-class. I would recommend setting your sights a little lower — perhaps you could bring your borough up to GA and then FA class instead? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:59, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

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Template:Infobox livery company add date that livery was granted

Hi, I've been doing some research on the Worshipful Company of Founders and recently added the above infobox to the article. I was thinking that it might be an idea to add a new line to the template so that we can record both the date that company was formed and also the date that livery was granted. It seems fairly simple to add this to the template but I'm not 100% sure what to call it. Is the correct term "Date of Royal Charter"? The Livery company article doesn't seem to cover the process of granting livery in much detail and I wanted to make sure that I use the correct term before I make any changes. RicDod (talk) 17:32, 1 May 2022 (UTC)