User talk:Jonesey95

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Thanks and after-merge discussion enquiry

Hi Jonesey95, hope you had a good Christmas and Happy New Year, thanks for doing my edit request. It's been a while since the Infobox school merge discussion - really glad it was a success, UK schools are benefiting from the improved look and additional parameters. I have a few new ideas on country-specific parameters I'm thinking of adding in order to cater the infobox for the other countries that make up the UK, and also for Ireland; Infobox UK school was more Infobox England school. But before I start a new discussion on this, what are your thoughts on continuing the after-merge discussion, which we had started but left it for a while haha - well, I guess we could say we deserved a break after the lengthy discussion and process it took to make the merge a success, but it was done swiftly in less than a month and super pleased everything is working well. I just think it's best the infobox is cleaned up first before any new parameters are suggested (SAT and ACT parameters for example were recently removed which can be added for removal in the after-merge discussion bot run). Please let me know, thank you :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 22:42, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

I won't have time for about five days, but I'd be willing to continue that discussion and work on the template. I have that page on my watchlist, so feel free to post your suggestion there. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:18, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you and that's ok, at the moment there are two lists, the one above is more about the merging of parameters with some removal, whereas my one is more about removing the proliferation of aliases/synonyms which are pretty much uncontroversial but there is some full removal/merge, so there is a bit of duplication and I'll work on merging them together and then you can make any changes before we start the discussion, hope this is ok Steven (Editor) (talk) 23:28, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Jonesey95, already merged the two lists together, added a few comments and more parameters under "Delete completely" section for complete removal. Whenever you are ready and if you can have a look at how I've done the merge to make sure you're ok with it before we start. I've already posted at the WikiProject Schools but doesn't look like anyone is interested, so might just be me and you - I will greatly appreciate your input which will help with consensus. Once discussion has finished and there's no objection, there will definitely be a bot run. Please let me know, thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 21:08, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Sandboxing

I understand your good intentions, but please do not make intermediate edits in my task. At least it is very confusing, at worst I get mad*. -DePiep (talk) 16:24, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

* when behaviour changes inexplicable, looking like bug to be researched

You're welcome. – Jonesey95 (talk) 09:14, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Michael Mastro

I would like to know why my edits were reverted, as only some of the words changed meaning of the sentences and also I would like to know why you didn't remove the words with links which doesn't exist in wikipedia. Thanks, Balasubramanianrajaram (talk) 13:49, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

This may come across as a bit harsh, but I hope you take it as constructive criticism from which you can learn.

Your edits removed many commas that were necessary for proper grammar, including four in the lead alone. You capitalized "real estate", which is incorrect. You changed "he listed assets in excess of $249 million" to "he listed his assets in excess of $249 million", which is not correct usage. You changed "They were accused of hiding assets from creditors" to "They were accused of hiding their assets from creditors", which significantly changed the meaning of the sentence. You removed two section headers for no apparent reason and shortened another one, removing useful context. You changed "Michael Mastro and his wife had been wearing surveillance devices" to "Michael Mastro and his wife wore surveillance devices", which was an incorrect change of verb tense. You made a few good edits as well, removing and adding a couple of necessary words and commas, but on the whole, it made more sense to revert your edits and start over rather than try to start editing from your version.

Even your message above is not grammatical. Here's an edited version: "I would like to know why my edits were reverted, as only some of the words changed the meanings of the sentences. I would also like to know why you didn't remove the words with links to articles that do not exist in the English Wikipedia." It may be that you are not yet proficient enough in English grammar to be a copy editor on the English Wikipedia. That's fine; recognizing your actual skill level can be challenging, but it is a worthwhile human pursuit. There are many other tasks that editors can perform to improve the quality of Wikipedia articles.

As for the words that are linked to articles that do not exist, red links to plausible articles should generally not be removed; see Wikipedia:Red link for more information. And the words themselves should certainly not be removed just because articles about those words do not exist yet.

I encourage you to find a task or project here on the English Wikipedia that a is a good fit for your desires, your skills, and your level of competence with those skills. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:34, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for talking your time to explain in detail about my errors in that article. Yes, I'm not a native speaker as it is a secondary language to me and I hope to improve my language proficiency in English. Thank you for your inputs,Balasubramanianrajaram (talk) 03:39, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia Editathon: The Visibility Project - Saturday, January 19

Make+Think+Code and the Pacific Northwest College of Art are hosting a Wikipedia editathon at the Shipley Collins Mediatheque (511 NW Broadway) on Saturday, January 19 from 10am to 2:30pm. The purpose of the event is to make Wikipedia a more vibrant, representative, inclusive and diverse resource. Please visit Wikipedia:Meetup/MakeThinkCode/TheVisibilityProject for more information. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:46, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Women's March on Portland

Hello, and Happy New Year! So, I just finished expanding Women's March on Portland, and I've requested a copy edit from GOCE and nominated the article for Good status. After soliciting feedback at WikiProject Oregon and Women in Red, I got some talk page feedback that kind of turned sideways. I'm not looking for any favoritism here, but if have any interest in the subject, I'd appreciate any thoughts you have about the article's content and the concerns raised on the talk page. Figured I'd ask since you tend to check in on my GOCE articles now and then anyway. Either way, happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 04:19, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Another Believer: I gave it a once-over, and it looks like you've done a good job with it. I would prefer not to wade into the back and forth about content. WP drama gives me a headache. – Jonesey95 (talk) 09:10, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

You and I, both. Thank you very much for taking a look at the article. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:13, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

WPCleaner 2.0

Installer for WPCleaner

Hello Jonesey95.

I would like to inform you that a new version of WPCleaner is available replacing the old version (v1.43) dating back to almost a year. Unfortunately, going from version 1.43 to 2.0 automatically isn't possible and will require a new installation. It's necessary to install version 2.0 to take advantage of updates and bug fixes. Version 1.43 will have to be uninstalled manually, as there are no more updates for it.

The installation procedure is described at Wikipedia:WPCleaner/Installation.

Note: for usage in Bot mode, I strongly advise to check the modifications to be sure that the tasks run correctly

--NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 08:33, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

NicoV: Thanks. I tried for a while, but I was never able to get it to work on my Mac. I use it only for updating the list of ISBNs (I've never been able to figure out how to use the tool to edit articles), and the old version works fine. If it stops working, I'll work on figuring it out again. – Jonesey95 (talk) 08:38, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Ok. I plan on creating an installer for 2.0 that will be a lot easier to use than the manual procedure, I will tell you when it's ready. List of ISBN are now updated daily by User:PkbwcgsBot, so updating it is less relevant. I also plan to change the output of the list to avoid categorizing the page in Pages using ISBN magic links, the old version won't be compatible (this change is the todo list, but I really don't know when I will be able to do it). --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 08:46, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

I've created an installer, and I'm looking for people to test it. Would you be interested to give it a try? See Wikipedia:WPCleaner/Installation#Installation with WPCleaner installer. --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 14:19, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! I got it to work this time. I had already downloaded it, but I couldn't make it work last time. I don't know what happened differently this time. I added some more instructions to the page for Mac OS people. – Jonesey95 (talk) 11:50, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Linter

If you are willing to take a look, I'm pretty sure there is a lint error at Lampshades made from human skin. (If nothing else, that's got to be an eye-catcher of a pagename!) Some editors added some quote boxes recently, and it messed up the page in bizarre ways. I fixed it by adding a "clear" template, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out what the real fix would be. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:46, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

And I should hasten to add – thanks for your help at my user talk. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:47, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with that page, except for the moral issues. It has no Linter errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:48, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks anyway! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:17, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Still interested?

Hi Jonesey95, hope you're well. Not heard from you for a while, are you still interested in the Infobox school cleaned up discussion? Everything is ready, just waiting for your comments in the discussion. Please let me know, thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 19:58, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

I've got it on my window of browser tabs to look at when I get an uninterrupted hour or two. That doesn't happen too often. I haven't forgotten about it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:30, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

I see haha, thank you and whenever you're ready Steven (Editor) (talk) 17:47, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

GOCE 2018 Annual Report

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Old DYK Linter errors

Hello. I've noticed you've been going around the old closed DYK nomination pages and fixing Linter errors. While I recognise the effort but I would like to ask why are you going through the old DYKs to fix minor errors on pages that no-one is really going to look at again? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:00, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Short answer: Because it's there. I am a gnome. I fix errors, even minor ones.

Longer answer: Linter errors in Template space can cause there to be errors in pages that transclude those templates, sometimes thousands of pages. For that reason, I have been paying special attention to Template space in cleaning up Linter errors. Template space is almost all cleaned up, except for obsolete HTML errors, which I am generally ignoring until there is a consensus that <font>...</font> and <center>...</center> and their ilk are truly deprecated for use on Wikipedia. As I go through the lists of errors in Template space, the DYK pages, which are inexplicably in Template space instead of a namespace that makes sense for those pages, clutter up the lists. I ignored them for a while for the reason you cite (nobody looks at them), but my patience finally expired, so I decided to start fixing them. I'm almost done. If DYKs were in a sensible namespace, I wouldn't be looking twice at them. I'd leave them for a bot to handle, since they are essentially Wikipedia space or Wikipedia Talk space pages. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:12, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

January 2019 GOCE drive bling

		The Modest Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 4,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE January 2019 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 03:03, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Requested edit attribution

Hi, I noticed you merged my sandbox edits to Template:BillboardURLbyName in response to this edit request - thank you! Pedantic note: I think you forgot to attribute the changes in the edit summary? Just a heads up for the future. Colin M (talk) 17:27, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Nice work by you. I think my edit summary provides the necessary information for a reader to determine that I implemented your changes. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:46, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Oregon State University Black History Month Wikipedia Edit-a-thon, Friday, February 8

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Re:How to use nowrap with ubl

Many thanks for the tip; didn't realise that ubl in that way would cause lint errors, but I have come to expect the unexpected! Cheers again. Craig(talk) 20:36, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Yep. It worked fine until they removed Tidy. Dealing with change is part of editing on Wikipedia, as it is with life. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:55, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Help in editing an article

Hello!I ask for help in editing an article about the composer Rudolf Schumann, help me to make the article good and help with a good translation. I took information from other Wikipedia in other languages. Thank you! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shumann_Rudolf 91.205.239.8 (talk) 13:17, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

The article has been deleted repeatedly. I suggest that rather than trying to evade that consensus decision, you build an article at Draft:Rudolf Schumann and submit it through the normal Wikipedia:Articles for creation process. You will get good feedback instead of having your work deleted. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:19, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Taking you up on your offer

I finished copyediting Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare and would appreciate some feedback. PopularOutcast^talk2me! 07:53, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Well done! You greatly improved the prose (and other stuff). I made some additional minor changes. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:13, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Jonesey95, Thanks for the help. PopularOutcast^talk2me! 21:59, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

Thanks for the edits and I did not know about that tool. I will research it and hopefully add it to my toolbox. Akrasia25 (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the burger! If you're interested in fixing Linter errors (it's pretty tedious, but I find tedious gnome work satisfying and relaxing), take a look at my workflow and the LintHint tool. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

RfX report

Regarding this edit, I hope you should contact with the bot operator instead of editing directly Hhkohh (talk) 10:01, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

You are too fast! I have pinged the operator. – Jonesey95 (talk) 10:06, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

"Half the size of houses"

Hi Jonesey95! Thank you again for doing the copy edit of the Orenco station (TriMet) article. Much appreciated. However, if I recall correctly, the thing about the houses was that the article cited indeed mentioned that they were built "half the size" of typical homes built at the time (to fit more houses, and thus people, per acre). --Truflip99 (talk) 15:46, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

The sentence would need more context then. Perhaps typical houses in exurban Portland were 8,000 square foot mansions at the time? Perhaps the lots were half the size of a typical lot? Something doesn't smell right. 4,000 square feet for a house is large, nearly twice the size of the average single-family house in the US (reference). Perhaps the size of the houses should be left out entirely, since it is two or three degrees removed from the nominal topic of the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:56, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Talk to us about talking

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February 2019 GOCE blitz bling

		The Minor Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling between 1 and 1,999 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE February 2019 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 21:01, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Help?

Any chance you could help me turn Template:Infobox Town AT/key into a template that can be substituted? I'm working on some template conversions and being able to substitute those values would same me a but load of work but I suck at the safesubst stuff... --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 22:44, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Me too. I needed a bunch of help to write the safesubst parts of Template:GOCE award. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:38, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

MOS change

Do you dispute this? If not, one of us needs to make the same edit at the other location. ―Mandruss ☎ 22:54, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

I do dispute it, but not enough to revert it. It does not make sense to me that the instructions, or the RFC, would apply to the infobox templates themselves but not to the actual articles they are used in. If small tags and templates are used inside of infoboxes, they cause accessibility problems, so they are not allowed. I've gotten pushback, most recently at User talk:Neutralhomer, so I wanted to be as explicit as possible about the instructions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:29, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

What you had there was a routine content dispute, at least in the prevailing community view. I took a dispute like that to ANI once and it immediately became a low-participation discussion about the guideline (a different guideline). Lacking any ANI will to enforce the long-standing guideline, other participation at the article, and a desire to start an RfC over such a minor issue, I was forced to give up and move on. I'm over it now. I note that you linked to the RfC in your opening comment and that did not prevent the pushback.
The RfC was specifically about code in infobox templates—and, as clarified during the RfC and in its close, code in "templates that are used primarily or exclusively in infobox transclusions". That's distinct from what your average editor does, which is not template code. Had I chosen to widen the scope, I think the odds of a consensus would have been greatly reduced; or at least that was my judgment when I started the RfC. One might infer one from the other, but not to the extent of citing the RfC in that guideline (even in a hidden comment). The long-standing guideline itself represents at least a strong de facto consensus, and most likely there is a old discussion buried deep in some archive to back it up. But, if necessary, we can always run another RfC to affirm the guideline, and then cite that one in the hidden comment.
I think your case was an outlier involving an editor who doesn't know that Wikipedia never outright forbids anything. I'm not aware of much resistance when I link to the guideline; certainly no reverts that generate a notification. The main hurdle is increasing awareness of the guideline, and new smalls are no doubt being added every day. ―Mandruss ☎ 05:57, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

This is my standard edit summary (I think it also helps to mention accessibility and link to that).
remove "small" from infobox per MOS:SMALLFONT ;; this is an accessibility issue ―Mandruss ☎ 06:41, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

I use a similar edit summary, though I could probably improve it a bit using your example. I have removed quite a few small tags from infoboxes in articles and from infobox/navbox templates, and it is rare to get pushback. It does happen, though, so I added the text about tags in order to clarify the accessibility issues. Reasonable editors will read the guideline text as it is currently written and understand; I don't expect every single editor to be reasonable or to be willing/able to read and understand English prose, however. Wikipedia:Competence is required exists because someone had to write it, after all.

As for ANI, I try very hard to stay away. I was taken there once and encountered a series of editors, including multiple admins, who either refused to read the relevant policies or were unable to understand what those policies said. It was a nightmare. As I told the editor in this case, I am not going to continue reverting over a couple of tags that another editor is likely to remove someday. The arc of editing is long, but it bends toward accessibility. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:42, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

I have reverted at WWNR and commented very briefly at the UTP. ―Mandruss ☎ 13:55, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Damn you

The following is said with TONS of sarcasm.... So I step in to defend your honor and you make me look like a TOTAL ass... Thanks a lot! :-p You are, of course, correct in your assessment of needing to AGF. --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 18:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Hey, if the (donkey) shoe fits.... Life is too short. If you want to see additional fun, take a look at my contributions in the User Talk space a few days ago (I'd rather not link directly, for reasons you will see). Good stuff. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Pounds head on desk.... People like that make me weep for humanity. Reminds me of a certain user who is highly involved in {{Chembox}}... --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 19:53, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

PNCA Art+Feminism Wikipedia Editathon, Saturday, March 9

The Pacific Northwest College of Art (PNCA) is hosting a Wikipedia edit-a-thon in the Shipley Collins Mediatheque (511 NW Broadway) on Saturday, March 9 from 10am – 2:30pm. This is a free community event designed to teach people to add and edit information about cis and transgender women and nonbinary folks to Wikipedia. We'll have training sessions, artist talks, snacks, free childcare, and plenty of exciting energy and collaboration! You're welcome to drop in any time during the event. Participants are encouraged to bring their own laptops and charging cables, though if you are not able, computer stations will be available. Please visit this link for more information. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:02, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

International Women's Day Wikipedia Edit-a-thon, Oregon Jewish Museum, Thursday, March 7

The Oregon Jewish Museum and Center for Holocaust Education, in partnership with social practice artist Shoshana Gugenheim and as part of the Art+Feminism Project, will host the 2nd Annual International Women's Day Wikipedia Edit-a-thon to edit and/or create Wikipedia articles for Jewish women artists. The event will be held at the museum on Thursday, March 7 from 4 to 8 pm. Pre-registration is preferred but not required. Members of the public are invited to come to the museum to learn about the editing process, its history, its impact, and how to do it. We aim to collaboratively edit/enter 18 Jewish women artists into the canon. Support will be provided by an experienced local Wikipedian who will be on site to teach and guide the process. This edit-a-thon will serve as both a public art action and a public educational program. Participants will have an opportunity to select an artist/s ahead of time or on site.

Please visit this link and the meetup page for more information. Thanks! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:25, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

White Owl Social Club

White Owl Social Club has been nominated for speedy deletion as well. I've asked Graywalls if they can slow down with the merging and deletions. Logging in and finding I have to scramble to rescue many articles at once is difficult. They have even hinted at deleting article which have survived AfDs: Talk:Nuestra Cocina. No need to take action unless you feel inclined, but I think AfD is more appropriate than speedy deletion here. The Elephants Deli article should never have been deleted. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Also, this is ridiculous, but I feel like I need to walk away from this discussion, which is clearly going in circles. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:05, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

G11 was clearly not applicable, and the article as written passed WP:GNG. I have removed the speedy tag.

It may be worth contemplating why you continue to get notices and deletion nominations from multiple editors about the stub articles that you have been creating. It has been going on for a while, and it may be worth asking about it at a place like Wikipedia talk:Notability or some other forum.

It is unclear to me why they are so hot for your articles, which are stubby but always have at least a couple of reliable sources, since there are (just to pick one example) thousands of articles about pop and rock singles that are essentially unreferenced and make no claim of notability (see this discussion for a little fun). Unfortunately, the claim that other (much worse) stuff exists never goes over well with deletionists who are apparently monitoring the new pages feed instead of working on backlogs of old cruft. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:11, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Jonesey95, I understand stubs can easily be mistaken as pages about non-notable topics, and that perhaps I should put more effort into new pages. But, I also see value in creating stubs when that's what time and energy allow. I just wish concerns could be raised via talk page discussions and redirecting before immediately jumping to speedy deletion or even AfD. I don't mind having these discussions, but having several at the same time is tricky. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:20, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Bit House Saloon has been restored (thankfully). I've started a discussion at WPORE re: whether or not this draft should appear in the main space. Looks good to me, but I will let others weigh in. Thanks again for your help across several articles recently. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:23, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

If you want to keep creating sourced stubs, and if editors are putting CSD notices on pages like White Owl Social Club that (technically) pass WP:GNG and do not meet the speedy criterion that has been applied, you may need to post warnings on those editors' talk pages explaining that they are misapplying the CSD templates. If they continue to do it, you'll have a valid case for a dispute. The editor in question clearly failed to apply the CSD criteria correctly in this case. Also, if admins are deleting articles that pass WP:GNG or do not fit the CSD criterion in question, you should post to their talk pages ... carefully. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:26, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

I can't thank you enough for following all these different conversations. Graywalls and Deb really leaned in hard, and in some cases I'm not sure they are fully understanding guidelines. Setting that aside, I'm glad you're willing to weigh in at so many different places at once, especially given I'm struggling to keep up myself. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:21, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome. Unfortunately, this is not my first encounter with editors who simply refuse to read the relevant guidelines/policy or are unable to understand the words in them. It is doubly disappointing when those editors also have the administrator tools, but again, it is not my first encounter with admins who either can't read or won't read. I know that being an admin is a lot of drudge work and involves a lot of negative feedback from pedants like me, which is why template editor permissions are as much as I am willing to take on, and why my edits are almost exclusively gnome/cleanup edits. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:41, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

sigh. I'm really looking forward to this little wave of frustration ending hopefully sooner than later. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:12, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

The editor is very new, just having passed 500 edits. We'll see if they burn out or move on to some other obsession, as editors sometimes do. From their edit history, I think they are very interested in Portland topics, however, so your paths will probably continue to cross. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:37, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Basil II

Hi Jonesey; This was my fault; thanks for fixing it. I was a bit tired last night, so 'duh' to me for that one! :) Cheers, Baffle☿gab 18:36, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

No trouble at all. I usually take a look at each Request to see if I can give it a quick once-over for easy MOS fixes before copy-editors get to work. When I saw you were already working on it, I made a mental note to come in when you were done and see if anything needed tidying (I really don't like causing edit conflicts if I can avoid it). I didn't even look at your edits; I just jumped in and fixed my usual easy MOS things, which took only a couple of minutes. Teamwork is good. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:48, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

map caption template

Thanks for the {{infobox country}} fix. Looks good in the couple that I've checked out (Irish Free State, Pakistan). Others including Angola and Bolivia use {{map caption}}, which appears to use px instead of % to specify tiny text. That looks a bit more complicated; would you accept a vaguely-worded edit request there? ―Mandruss ☎ 21:19, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

That template is a bit of a mess. I don't know why it has so many forced spaces in it. I have removed the small font size formatting, and it looks fine to me (except for the extra spaces, which I didn't mess with). – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:14, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks again. In my next life I plan to learn template coding; if I were younger and not burned out I'd do it in this one. ―Mandruss ☎ 20:25, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Quick request

Aloha @Jonesey95:. When you have a moment, can you please review my edit request on Template_talk:Infobox_university? GeekInParadise (talk) 22:01, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

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March GOCE newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2019 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the March newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since December 2018. All being well, we're planning to issue these quarterly in 2019, balancing the need to communicate widely with the avoidance of filling up talk pages. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. January Drive: Thanks to everyone for the splendid work in January's Backlog Elimination Drive. We removed copyedit tags from all of the articles tagged in our original target months of June, July and August 2018, and by 24 January we ran out of articles. After adding September, we finished the month with 8 target articles remaining and 842 left in the backlog. GOCE copyeditors also completed 48 requests for copyedit in January. Of the 31 people who signed up for this drive, 24 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. Blitz: Thanks to everyone who participated in the February Blitz. Of the 15 people who signed up, 13 copyedited at least one article. Participants claimed 32 copyedits, including 15 requests. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. Progress report: As of 23:39, 18 March 2019 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have completed 108 requests since 1 January and the backlog stands at 851 articles. March Drive: The month-long March drive is now underway; the target months are October and November 2018. Awards will be given to everyone who copyedits at least one article from the backlog. Sign up here! Election reminder: It may only be March but don't forget our mid-year Election of Coordinators opens for nominations on 1 June. Coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought of helping out at the Guild, or know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Miniapolis, Baffle gab1978, Jonesey95, Reidgreg and Tdslk. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Emily Heller has been accepted

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Bkissin (talk) 17:25, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Bkissin! And thanks also to Piels for starting the draft. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:44, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Emily Heller

I won't userfy it in a normal fashion, since your creation of the page would make everything rather awkward: I'd have to move the existing page, delete the redirect, restore the deleted one, move the formerly-deleted one, delete the redirect, move the existing page back, and delete the redirect. So instead, here are the entire contents, written by User:Msahai94.

Emily Heller is an Actress, Stand-Up, Writer, Podcaster, and Voice-Actor from the San Francisco Bay area. She is related to Marielle Heller and Nate Heller. Emily has acted in the show Ground Floor on TBS and has provided voices for characters on Season 2 of Bojack Horseman. She is a stand-up comedian who has been featured twice on Conan O'Brien as well as on he third season of John Oliver’s New York Stand Up Show on Comedy Central. She has been named a comic to watch by both Variety and Comedy Central. Emily Heller has worked as a writer on the Fox show Surviving Jack. In 2015 she recorded her first comedy album, to be released in the near future.

Alongside Lisa Hanawalt, Emily Co-Hosts a podcast on the Maximum Fun podcast network called Baby Geniuses, which is dedicated to sharing niche knowledge and featuring improvisers who pose as experts on bizarre topics. Segments of the podcast include One on Fun (A.K.A. "Ask Me Ask You") in which Emily and Lisa ask one another a question about themselves often in 'would you rather' format, Wiki of the Week in which they feature an obscure wikipedia page sent in by a listener, Chunch Chat in which they discuss updates on Martha Stewart's horse Ben Chunch (debatably referred to as Ban Chunch on Martha's blog), and feature a guest and an "expert" (improviser posing as an expert in a bizarre field).

Emily has mentioned on her podcast that she has autonomous sensory meridian response (ASMR) and often enjoys watching ASMR videos on youtube to calm herself down.

Anything else? Let me know and I'll do my best to help. Nyttend (talk) 02:18, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Nyttend. That is helpful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:27, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome. It was easier because it was all written by one person, so attribution compliance would be satisfied with written by User:Msahai94. I would have considered the complicated move-pages-around process if it had been useful content, but...clearly not :-) Nyttend (talk) 11:22, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Klang Valley area lines

Template:Klang Valley area lines has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Kb03 (talk) 13:27, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

BMI Awards

The source says the song was among the most performed r&b/hip-hop awards so it is not a false claim just needed editing on my part and I've added again. --Kyle Peake (talk) 21:14, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

GOCE requests

Thanks for correcting me. Somehow I read "one in time". Eurohunter (talk) 12:53, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

March 2019 GOCE drive bling!

		The Minor Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling between 1 and 3,999 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE March 2019 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 18:35, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

/Ruben Katsobashvili (businessman) listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect /Ruben Katsobashvili (businessman). Since you had some involvement with the /Ruben Katsobashvili (businessman) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:58, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

A year ago ...

copy-editing
... you were recipient no. 1901 of Precious, a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Template:Infobox music festival

The change you made to the template appears to have broken it for some pages, where the text "{{{organized}}}" is now appearing when no entry is specified. See Hardly Strictly Bluegrass for example.

-- AtomCrusher (talk) 14:45, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Fixed. -- WOSlinker (talk) 15:28, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Sloppy work by me. My apologies, and thanks to WOSlinker for fixing it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:18, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Ping

Sorry, I forgot to ping you here, if you care to add any comment. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:02, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

ISBN errors

Hi. I done a an update of the ISBN errors with PkbwcgsBot today. However, it deleted all the pages on the list. Is it true that every single ISBN error is fixed? It done the same with ISSN errors as well. Pkbwcgs (talk) 21:05, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Maintenance cats

Hey, I think I saw a edit summary once where you restricted articles in a maint category to article-space only. If that is non-controversial, can you do that for some templates that I am monitoring? My list is here and some (but not all) of the non-zero ones are due to errors in testcases, drafts, other misc stuff. Thanks.