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Happy New Year, Joshua Jonathan!

Happy New Year!

Joshua Jonathan,
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Happy New Year, Joshua Jonathan!

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Joshua Jonathan,
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Raja Yoga Article

Hi Joshua Jonathan. Thanks for your guidance. As suggested by you I have added the statement under one of subsection in this article with reference. The reference that used talks about the practice since it started.

For your reference I have copy past the statement from the reference as it is. The reference is from Hindustan times news paper "Heartfulness is a Raja Yoga system of meditation, also known as ‘Sahaj Marg’ or the ‘Natural Path’. It originated at the turn of the 20th century and was formalised with the founding of the Ram Chandra Mission in 1945 in India." the reference https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/national/worlds-largest-meditation-centre-in-hyderabad/article30643824.ece Rachel Ross Green Geller (talk) 13:43, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Hounding Minaro123

1 - Since you were involved. TrangaBellam (talk) 04:31, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

New message from TrangaBellam

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement § Minaro123. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:31, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

CT alerts

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kewaltruth&action=history] should have had the template from Template:Contentious topics/alert/first. Doug Weller talk 19:40, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: okay; that's new for me, I didn't know that. Thanks. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 20:25, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan yeah, it can be confusing at first. Are you going to fix it? Doug Weller talk 20:27, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: done. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 20:33, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Oh, ho! I didn't know this either! {{subst:alert/first|dsa}}? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:21, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Sanghyang Adi Buddha

Just in case you don´t know this article already: Sanghyang Adi Buddha  :). JimRenge (talk) 11:04, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

@JimRenge: thanks! Teh-ching was the teacher of "my" teacher! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:42, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Deja Vu

Hey. Hope all is well JJ. Feeling the Deja Vu. Hopefully not being paranoid.Kbhatt22 (talk) 18:20, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tamzin:. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:05, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

I reached out and Tamzin will review when able. I will probably not extend dialog on that pages talk page with the user for now. Kbhatt22 (talk) 22:46, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Preparation

Buddhism and Hinduism

• diff march 4, 15:59
• diff march 4, 17:10
• diff march 4, 18:16

Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:58, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Possible POV

Please see the possible POV change to longstanding version of the lead sentence here. - 117.201.114.183 (talk) 12:34, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Edit to history of india

What's wrong with my edit ? Your edit definitely is baseless and do not serve the context. It can easily be misinterpreted. Kindly clarify. SatyaAmarRahe (talk) 18:47, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Please use the talkpage of that article. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:54, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Taxila

can you revert back taxila to its original. You rewrote the whole article according to your chosen sources. Daayush (talk) 08:27, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Serious?!? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 09:10, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes. The original article was written in much more detail with every source provided.

Now the depth of the article seems to be very low now. Daayush (talk) 12:44, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Samudragupta

we could always divide in the Vaishnavism as well. Its better to classify in the group which we call it today. Daayush (talk) 12:57, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Taxila

plzz revert the previous article. You have completely omitted the other historians say and only presented one single perspective of a certain historian Daayush (talk) 13:02, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Kanishka

isnt accepted the same thing. It also says he accepted buddhism as well. Are you going to remove it as well as according to you it doesn't mean practicing.

honestly some of you guys needs to be checked and stop acting like a dictator. Daayush (talk) 06:11, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Please do not change the script and photo of Swaminarayan page

Playas કોમુરમ ભીમ (talk) 11:55, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

@કોમુરમ ભીમ The photo should not be changed in the article without consensus being reached on the talk page. Make sure you're working toward consensus. (JJ, I can't tell if you just reverted the other user's non-consensus changes or had made a bold change of your own, since the diff is so far back in page history.) —C.Fred (talk) 13:23, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

@C.Fred: what do you mean with the diff is so far back in page history? Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:50, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

I should've finished my coffee before I posted. 🤦‍♂️ I just looked again; you reverted [Indic script]'s edits this morning (11:41 UTC)—edits which have been opposed by other editors as branch-specific. Good call on maintaining neutrality and rolling back to status quo ante. —C.Fred (talk) 14:10, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Varna does not apply to Southern Parts of India

Johsua, Please do NOT revert again the updates:

For my NON-Indian Wikipedia Authors - who never stepped to any southern part or state of India. Please note this "Misunderstanding" on what you might have read in a text by a white author who never stepped in South India - Varna does NOT apply to Southern Part of India (5 states - Half a Billion People). It is ONLY used in Northern States of India and you CANNOT use it (NOR was used, OR is USED today) to classify any castes or social status in South India. Varna is Invented by Brahmins of North India and applies only to northern parts of ancient India. The Varna system is not accepted by Southern (Dravidian) people, nor was used, nor is used to classify castes of Southern parts of India. For my NON-Indian Wikipedia Authors - who never stepped to any southern part or state of India. What you read in texts by White Authors who never stepped in South India, this is like saying ALL Christians are Catholics 187.190.208.200 (talk) 21:13, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Family of

Hi JJ, not sure if you’re already a watcher, but I thought you’d want to know about Family of Gautama Buddha. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 05:09, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Another gem in the category "Softly close the door and let them be happy in their own universe"... Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:52, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Gotra

What do you think of this [1] edit? I am sceptical about this gotra story. The source is clearly not Archaeological Survey of india, but Mahabodhi Society of Ceylon 1948 - no page no given. JimRenge (talk) 19:32, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@JimRenge: typical Indian concerns with castes and lineages. The Rajput-claims are controversial, and anyway irrelevant for the article about the Buddha. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 20:36, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

If you don't know the Swaminarayan Sampradaya then you have no right to edit related articles.

You have no knowledge about our Ishta Dev Bhagwan Swaminarayan and about our sect. So why do you change it? I presented an impartial matter with evidence so why did you delete it. Either prove my proofs wrong or prove from any Sampradayak or Puranic text that Bhagavan Swaminarayan was a Yogi. Evidence has been given regarding May. You have insulted our Ishtadev, you know it hurts our feelings.... User : ભાવિક ( talk 08:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ભાવિક (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia is based on WP:RS, not personal beliefs; and nobody WP:OWNs articles. If you don't understand this your Wikipedia-adventure will be short-lived. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 09:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Misinformation in the Advaita Vedanta Page.

It is so sad that the page of Advaita Vedanta literally says that "Advaita adapted philosophical concepts from Buddhism, giving them a Vedantic basis". This makes it look as if it copied ideas from Buddhism and just reinterpreted those. This is total nonsense. Advaita was heavily influenced by Buddhism, that too only Mahayana Buddhism due to its presence in the Indian intellectual landscape at that time. Mahayana's influence on Advaita is profound but making it look as if it blindly copied ideas is very unfair.

This is not just for Advaita but in the page of every Hindu philosophical system, there is an attempt to portray that it's core ideas came from or were influenced by Buddhism even though the Principal Upanishads, Samkhya and Yoga are older than Buddhism.

Besides no page in Wikipedia ever talks about the influence of Upanishads, Yoga and Samkhya ideas on Mahayana Buddhism even though it is very clear that almost all prominent Mahayana philosophers(like Nagarjuna, Ashvaghosha, etc) were of Brahmin origins.

This bias against Hindu philosophical systems must be taken into account. Wikipedia is almost a bad source to refer Hindu philosophies. 117.215.89.66 (talk) 12:19, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

The current version of the article does not say Advaita Vedanta "copied from Buddhism". Wikipedia merely reports sources that are vetted for reliableness, and the part you're referring to cites an inline citation to a book called A History of Early Vedānta Philosophy.

Here's what page 13 of the cited material says:

[...] but from Deussen onwards, no one has been able to come to any definite conclusions as to what centuries B.C. these Upanisads were composed. That is to say, there has been for the most part agreement as to the sequence of the composition of the Upanishads relative to each other, but to their actual dating, opinion has been divided into many divergent lines of thought. The large majority of scholars of Indology place their date of composition long before the rise of Buddhism, while there are those who assert on the contrary that even the most ancient of the Upanishads cannot be traced back to the 6th century B.C. To tackle this problem, some standard criteria must be sought which can reliably determine the periods of the Upanishads, but the Upanishads themselves are lacking in positive clues. Many personal names appear in the Upanishads, but their dates are completely unknown; furthermore, though the same names appear in the Buddhist and Jain Canons, since it cannot be finally concluded that these names refer in fact to the same individuals, they can not serve as suitable criterion.
— Hajime Nakamura. A History of Early Vedānta Philosophy. p. 13.

I think anyone would agree that Advaita Vedanta came after Buddhism, so it's a matter of reporting WP:RS as to whether it "adopted Buddhist concepts and gave them Vedic basis, and was influenced by various other Indian philosophy" or "taken influence from Buddhism and various other Indian schools of thought". But the formal is more accurate because essentially the concepts of Atman and Anatta between Buddhism and Advaita is "+0" and "0".

If you have a WP:RS that contradicts this, please cite it (or it's best to take this discussion to Talk:Advaita_Vedanta). --WikiLinuz {talk} 18:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

See Talk: Horses

[2]. Doug Weller talk 19:25, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

The thought of Martijn Linssen per gThomas

Thomas isn't concerned with anything else but Us, We, You: what is our essence, who are we, what makes us, what drives us? (Radical non duality) is a fine fit as it also doesn't care about anything but ouselves...

It is my top priority to disclose the intricacies of Thomas and the beautiful insights in it. In essence, he teaches what today is known as radical non-duality, only 2 millennia earlier.

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"Martijn Linssen | Leiden University". Academia.edu.

Please consider adding your input on the thought of Martijn Linssen per gThomas @ "Biblical Criticism & History Forum - Chrestians/Christians?". earlywritings.com. 2db (talk) 14:00, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

"Jesus died for our sins" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Jesus died for our sins has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 25 § Jesus died for our sins until a consensus is reached. Veverve (talk) 00:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Query

Hello, Joshua Jonathan,

I just noticed that you are editing other editor's User pages and I was wondering why. Did you inform them that you were moving around their archive pages? Unless there is controversial content, we usually allow editors to manage their own User pages, even if their page titles aren't perfect. I'm sure you would not appreciate me going into your User pages and moving them around so please clear this first with an editor. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:35, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

@Liz: yes, I informed Fowler&fowler about their malfunctioning MiszaBot, which they corrected themselves, and I also informed them that I took the liberty to move their incorrectly named archive-pages. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:59, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the edit on the Indian Philosophy page.

Can you point out even a single mistake in my edits? If yes, then I will accept that I am wrong. Bittuisthebestno. 23 (talk) 03:13, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Please take it to the talkpage there. Thanks. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 03:27, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Brahmin

Hey Joshua Jonathan, I am really glad to see you after a long time! After carefully going through my edit, I felt you are right. Previously, I had removed such a section which mostly quoted from Rigveda without any modern scholarly interpretation, that's the reason behind my mistake. Thanks! Ekdalian (talk) 11:14, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

• I have removed the statement which is equivalent to a direct quote from the primary source Rigveda, without any scholarly interpretation. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 11:26, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

@Ekdalian: I felt a little bit reluctant to revert you, so thanks for your response here! Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:49, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Vedic Period Article Dates

Namaste Joshua Sir. Kindly note that the date for the Vedic Period is from 1910-1200 BCE, since it is has been recorded in the Rigvedam that the Saraswati river, a river near the Sindhu River, got dried up around 1924-1910 BCE, according to modern paleo channel studies. The date is going back to 1910 BCE, to which the prior is the Mahabharata War (1924 BCE) according to the modern archeology and the Puranic Tradition researched by Modern Indologists. Kindly fix the duration of the Vedic Period, ranging from 1910-1200 BCE. Thanks. Namaste. IndianHinduScholar (talk) 12:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Reason if Reverting the Answer

May I know the Reason why My Answer regarding Aryanism in India got reverted ?? DevastatorOfficial (talk) 18:29, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Sure: WP:CENSORSHIP, as already explained in the edit-summary, andunexplained removal of sourced content. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:09, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Nondualism

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:16, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Joshua Jonathan,

Sorry for this unnecessary note but I always notify page creators when I tag a page for deletion or delete a page. I didn't notice that you not only created this category but you also emptied it so that deletion is probably not a problem for you. Other editors have edited the page so I don't think it is eligible for a CSD G7 but the CSD C1 tagging means that it will be deleted in a week if it remains empty.

In the future though, it would probably have been better if you had gone through WP:CFD speedy rename or a regular rename proposal to move Category:Nondualism to Category:Nonduality, then a bot would have moved all of those articles, you wouldn't have had to do so manually and we could have retained that page history. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

@Liz: thanks; I didn't even know that that's possible! Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:27, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for July 28

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Historicity of Christ

Have you read the reference in question? Jirikafka (talk) 09:23, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

diff for TPS. "The vast majority of Biblical historians believe there is evidence sufficient to place Jesus’ existence beyond reasonable doubt." This has been discussed a thousand times before at Historicity of Jesus and Christ myth theory. If you think anyone is going to waste anymore time on this, please use one of those talkpages, not my talkpage. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 09:46, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Nondualism for deletion

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Criticism of Current Buddhism Page Introduction

I have several criticism of the Buddhism page introduction. Firstly, it doesn't even mention the name 'Siddhartha Gautama'. It also makes no mention of the mental state of 'Awakening'. It also fails to even briefly discuss the central thesis of Buddhism: Four Noble Truths. It also fails to mention that 'Buddha' means 'the Awakened one', like other, less-salient, pages do, such as 'Outline of Buddhism'. Visitors that are new to Buddhism seeking a concise introduction at the page as it is now, will be at best be left with a vague impression of Buddhism's characteristic tenets that instead downplays disparages the psychological/phenomenological aspect of Buddhism that is quintessential to it. This is an encyclopedic disservice; this is what I was trying to correct before you reversed my edits.

Furthermore, by comparison to other major world religion pages, which all offer a brief explication the central thesis of each respective religion and a brief background of their respective founders' role in the religion, this Buddhist page is inadequate. For example, the Christianity page explicitly states the religion's central thesis: that Jesus Christ is the messiah as prophesied in its antecedent religion, Judaism. The Islam page explains the religion's central tenets: Islam is the main and final Abrahamic religion, Muhammad is the main and final Abrahamic prophet, the Quran is its main and final canonical text, and that God (Allah) is one and incomparable.

My suggestions are:
1. Mention the name 'Siddhartha Gautama' in the first paragraph.
1. Include a concise explication of Buddhism's central thesis (Four Noble Truths) circa the second paragraph in a manner that is informative to a general reader without prior background in Buddhism.
2. Include a concise mention of the identity of the Buddha in Buddhism as 'the Awakened one'. This should include a concise mention of how the cognitive event of 'Awakening' is characterized and its fundamental characterizations (e.g. irreversibility, uniqueness, singularity (occurring once), mindfulness proficiency, Anattā insight etc.)
3. Include that 'The Buddha', which translates as 'the Awakened one', is eponymously named after this mental state, and the religion is eponymously named after this namesake. (This is akin to how it is explained that Hindu is an exonym on its page)

What do you think? SmoovOpr8r (talk) 18:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@SmoovOpr8r: I think you should take this to Talk:Buddhism, not here. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 19:19, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

done. SmoovOpr8r (talk) 19:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Dating of the Mahabharata war in relation to Sarasvati river

Hi Joshua,

You recently deleted my edit to the Sarasvati River page where I cited the astronomical dating of the Mahabharata war by Dr Manish Pandit. I understand now that the work I cited was original research published only on Academia. Therefore, I have cited an earlier work from 1891 archived by the university of Toronto which performs a similar analysis.

I hope this should be fine for the WP:OR criteria.

Thank you. AvadhutChintan (talk) 20:04, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Nondualism

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Have a yummy sandwich!

I've always disliked what I consider the long evasive translations 'emptiness' and 'appearance'. They are just unnecessarily long words for 'space' and 'light'. Madyamika is closer to the math of relativity than it is to the concept of maya. Thanks for the stroopwafels. Here's a space-light sandwich!

	Hello Joshua Jonathan, Skyerise has given you the inseparable state of space and light! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else the inseparable state of space and light! Enjoy!
	"Particles are always in motion. This motion is inseparable from matter and energy, as well as from time and space." (Qiu-zi Cong, et. al., The Theory of Physical Particles and Yi Field, p.33) "recognize that every experience you have is nothing more than the pure energy of the inseparable state of space and light" (Tenzing Wangyal, Tibetan Yogas of Body, Speech, and Mind, p. 43)

Skyerise (talk) 12:55, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Swaminarayan god

You remove the word Yogi from the page of Lord Swaminarayan because he is the supreme God of Hinduism and is also God in the scriptures. (BRGV) Bhargav Polara (talk) 16:15, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

@(BRGV) Bhargav Polara: you're free to have your beliefs, but you're not entitled to demand that your beliefs are presented as facts at Wikipedia. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 17:50, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Lingayatism

I request you to please read references, if you found mentioned content on references, then warn me if you didn't find , then undo your revert. Bhadra 782 (talk) 16:36, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

I am actually corrected the article as per references. Bhadra 782 (talk) 16:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

@Bhadra 782: you removed a lot of sourced info; I'm not going to spend my free time checking all of your edits when you remove so much sourced info. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 17:53, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

i am not removed any sourced content, I just corrected the article as per references, please check and undo your revert, the article is vandilised by others not by me . Bhadra 782 (talk) 18:04, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

This is mass-removal of sourced content. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 19:34, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

your mistaken, that is not sourced , please check the references, atleast tell me which source mentions that content Bhadra 782 (talk) 04:40, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

please understand the Lingayatism, this article is edited by others to prove Veerashiavism predates Lingayatsim but it it false, non of the reference mentions that.

To understand the basics of this subject please visit [3]

I am already explained it on article talk page as well Talk:Lingayatism#Vandalised article

n Bhadra 782 (talk) 04:58, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

No, I'm not mistaken; you ignored multiple refernces. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 14:32, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Sanatana dharma

It looks like Hindutva has copyrighted "Sanatana dharma" [4]. Our page needs a lot of work! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:48, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: surely, he's an agent of western imperial forces? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 14:38, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Exactly! Their love for Stalin and all! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:52, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Breast tax page

Why did you not reply to my request regarding breast tax?Drawings provide man (talk) 05:51, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Because I work five days a week, and do not always have time to respond immediately. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 14:34, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

I feel like you are avoiding the whole discussion about what you are asking me to add to the breast tax page. If you are short on time, ping someone else and add contents. The page is protectedDrawings provide man (talk) 08:27, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Eh? You are requesting to add text, not me. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 11:43, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Dashavatara

Please use talk page before reverting constructive edits Nagannaa (talk) 13:41, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Dashavatara

Please use talk page before reverting constructive edits Nagannaa (talk) 13:41, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Choudhry 2021

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Kautilya3 (talk) 15:14, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Nalanda Mahavihara

Take a look at this change. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:29, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

September 2023

Your edit to Kenshō has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for more information. Adding large chunks of copyrighted material is prohibited regardess of relevance or accuracy of sourcing. Do not restore this. Happy to discuss on talk page if you wish MichaelMaggs (talk) 07:57, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@Diannaa: what is an acceptable quote-length? See here. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 09:37, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

There isn't a hard and fast rule either of law or Wikipedia policy about the length of a quote that can be added, but in my view cutting and pasting such a long chunk of text is definitely out. More detail at WP:COPYPASTE. MichaelMaggs (talk) 18:12, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Maps

Please see [5] and related edits. JimRenge (talk) 12:28, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Hakuin Ekaku

Hi Joshua Jonathan. You added "Waddell (2009)" to Hakuin Ekaku, but there no work for that date. There 2010a (Foreword to "Wild Ivy: The Spiritual Autobiography of Zen Master Hakuin"), 2010b (Translator's Introduction to "The Essential teachings of Zen Master Hakuin"), and 2002 ("Hakuin's Yasenkanna." In The Eastern Buddhist). Is Waddell 2009 a different work? -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 20:29, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@ActivelyDisinterested: thanks for noticing; I'll check my pile of books later today. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 03:33, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Gotcha; the Precious Mirror Cave. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 03:39, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Sir About the Hitlers Views on Sikhism topic

Adolf Hitler had also read and was inspired by Kavi Santokh Singh's Gurpratap Suraj Granth which was translated into German language and given by Maharaja Bhupindar Singh of Patiala.

In this Line Gurpratap Suraj Granth is a Religious Book. That is How this page is Connected to Religious views of Hitler. Also other lines are all linked to the Sikh Faith and Hitlers Connection. SikkaSingh (talk) 15:48, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@SikkaSingh It is about time you used the article talk page. You're edit warring with multiple people - Sitush (talk) 21:50, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

About Kogetsu Zenzai

Hi Joshua Jonathan. ja:古月禅材 appears to be about the same person. Is this correct? Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 08:32, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

@Shirt58: yes, looks like it's the same person. The Japanese article is not very informative... Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 09:51, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Nine years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Splitting Tulku by ethnicity

Might you have any feedback for an editor who created Western tulku? Skyerise (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Skyerise: I noticed; I'll take a short look for now, and a closer look tomorrow. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 19:47, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Skyerise (talk) 19:49, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Skyerise: ugh... that's an endless discussion. Draftify would be a reasonable step for now, I think. What is it that irritates you about this page? And what is the real scope of the article? The tulkus, or the assimilation of Tibetan Buddhism in the west? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 19:59, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

We should not be separating out religious title holders by ethnicity. Western tulkus are recognized by Tibetan lamas. They form a continuation of a Tibetan lineage. Each lineage has a history which now in several cases is currently held by a Westerner. The article seems to be based on the idea that the Western tulkus are cultural appropriators and fringe or illegitimate continuations of their respected lineages. I object to the historical discontinuity that this makes in the history of those lineages. Western tulkus are recognized through the very same formal religious protocols that ethnically Tibetan tulkus are. There are also Chinese tulkus, Nepalese, Bhutanese, etc. but we don't have an article on them either. They are all part of the Tibetan Buddhist religious hierarchy, regardless of their ethnicity. Skyerise (talk) 20:06, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

It is particularly about the phenomena of Westerners being recognized as tulku, and what that encompasses in the context of the globalization of Tibetan Buddhism, which is a topic that has been analyzed in the anthropology of religion for some time now (hence the seperate article.) If you read the page, criticism is properly attributed to particular academics who have written on the topic.

Also understand that the Skyerise has been merging the pages and that Western tulku is entirely original, and it is not split out or forked from Tulku.

Apologies for bringing you into this mess. MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE IS REAL EMO!_{(talk or whatever)} 20:09, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Prof BB lal

The cited books do not support the claim. What is your reason for revert? Whysoanonymous (talk) 08:36, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!

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		Thanks for your work on Kriya Yoga school#Etymology! Perception312 (talk) 14:25, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Perception312: thank you, deeply appreciated. It takes a challenge to give the best; you're the challenge. ~~•~

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I looked into how and why you could get involved into Edit warring, which seemed unlikely, and being a retired informaticist, who didn't forget everything, I found that the IP user there, faking signature of Dunny830, also faked link to your talk page as part of his faked signature (see diff and the rest around). That got cross reverted and undone several times, and that's probably why you got notified above.

I suppose that is someone very knowledgeable about WP including arbitration processes, that got banned. He knew how to seem to do 3reverts, but the third was revert of his own previous change so he formally wouldn't be in that violation. (I had seen info about Croatian guy that WFoundation had several years of problems like that, being admin etc. there at the time, so I don't take this easy).

About location from IP-s: see

• this for 96.246.158.82 (two posts, provider Verizon Business, possibly at job),
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• this for 96.57.24.10 (two posts, possibly residential, because it seems to be a TV cable provider, possibly Gravesend in Brooklyn, NY).

Next same MO(perandi) is by user that was inactive for several years, and is currently permanently blocked. Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 15:57, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Little guidance

Hi josh, you might be busy and i apologise for disturbing you. i am not extremely familiar with all the process in wikipedia and would love guidance from veterans.regarding the topic Purusha sukta where i tagged you for review, one editor reverted the edit, violating the policies, pushing blatant pov and even after explaining everything is not ready to understand.it looks like his agenda is set.i dont want to engage in edit war as that editor has a history of engaging people in edit war and then getting them blocked.i dont know how to tackle this. what steps can i take? is there any step i can take?.i have no idea how to even report this behaviour? .any assistance or advice would be valuable. Cosmotech92 (talk) 15:22, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

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Vedic literature

Hello,

When you edited to Upanishads article to say that the Upanishads are the only widely known literature, what did you mean? The Vedas themselves are well known. Ultraneutral (talk) 03:53, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

The Upanishads are being read worldwide; the Vedic hymns are not. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 05:21, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes they are. I've seen the Vedas at 20 used book stores. Plus, you are engaging in original research. The source doesn't say its the only widely known vedic text. Ultraneutral (talk) 09:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

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Talkpage-subheaders

Since a couple of days, the headers at the talkpages appear as Times New Roman, instead of my preferred style (sans serif), and I can't figure out what I've got to change to change this. The subheaders appear in my preferred styleJoshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 16:59, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I seem to hav efixed the problem diff, but a 'check' would still be welcome. And the main header is still quite large. Thanks! Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 17:15, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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Once you start making changes to your custom CSS, you are pretty much on your own for how to get the results you prefer. We helpers don't have any special skills to help figure it out. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jmcgnh: so, we're lost? Hmmm.... Would you know where I can find the whizzkids with the rechnical skills? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 04:35, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

No, there's likely someone at Village Pump WP:VPT who will try to help if you explain your problem sufficiently well. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:46, 25 December 2023 (UTC)