User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise/Archive 33

Refdesk questions

Re this, is this (see replies) typical of the behaviour you saw before? I don't know if they've been hacked or what response is appropriate, but I thought I'd ask you first rather than ignite a drama board. › Mortee _talk 02:53, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up, I've blocked and hidden the revisions. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:46, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Slow vandal

Hi! After two AIV reports went stale, I'm asking you for help to have a look at user BlueWhale35. They add nonsense to diverse pages (e.g. here[1]) and produce gems like Draft:Kanlykian language (an obvious G3). –Austronesier (talk) 12:22, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! –Austronesier (talk) 16:22, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Sock

Glauketis the Pirate King (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) [2][3] It looks like a very likely Deucalionite sock. Is it WP:DUCK or should I file a report at SPI?--Maleschreiber (talk) 17:16, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

New sock Glauketas the Pirate King (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Could you semi-protect the article?--Maleschreiber (talk) 17:04, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

They're placing the same edit every day at Emmanuel Mormoris. Could you semi-protect it?--Maleschreiber (talk) 23:39, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

A sock of Deucalionite

is trying to add changes made by other socks blocked by you. Any help with another block or semi protection of the page would be welcome [4]. Ktrimi991 (talk) 23:48, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

A goat for you!

lol sorry for this image =))))

Tutsens Woman (talk) 18:59, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Imperfect edit at sunset

I don't know if you're using a script or something but something odd happened here [5]. EEng 01:48, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Ah, must have accidentally edited on the basis of an older revision, sorry. It wasn't sunset yet though. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:00, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

VXFC

Hi there. Our old friend is currently posting at Talk:Oprah with Meghan and Harry under a few different IP addresses. I'd be grateful if you could implement your standard block for such eventualities. Many thanks, --Viennese Waltz 14:53, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt action. --Viennese Waltz 15:11, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Deucalionite

Two days after the expiration of the IP block, they reverted back all their edits. A longer block might be needed.--Maleschreiber (talk) 09:50, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:55, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Ahmet Q. reverted some very bad use of bibliography by the account Mercurius1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and I noticed that they're putting forward the same use of sources on other articles about Byzantine figures [6][7]. This led to Deji Olajide1999 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) [8] and to another sock of Deucalionite No. 108 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) [9] (similarities with their other accounts will come up if you add them to the analyser)--Maleschreiber (talk) 05:40, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm aware of both Mercurius1 and Deji Olajide and their somewhat problematic editing activities, but I don't think either of them is Deucalionite, if you meant that. No. 108 certainly was, but that was almost 10 years ago, wasn't it? Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:13, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

No. 108 is the sock that had some connections to them in Edit Interaction Analyser, so I thought that it maybe suggests a connection to Deucalionite. The Deucalionite account itself has some similarities with them. [10] I haven't checked the other socks. I think that this is interesting in connection to Gallant Galen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (or maybe I'm reading too much into it).--Maleschreiber (talk) 23:52, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Why revert?

Can you please explain? ~Yahya (✉) • 07:28, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, but please be more careful when adding images in the future. Almost all of the ones I saw you adding had to be reverted. In most cases, they were simply duplicates – the same image was already present on the page. In other cases, the images were of dubious copyright status. Please only add images that have plausible source/copyright info. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:30, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry! for that. I was adding images from wikidata using the code {{subst:#Property:P18}}. I checked my first two or three edits that was correct. Then started mass edit. Now, I have to be more careful. ~Yahya (✉) • 07:41, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

About Javito1993

Hi. I noticed you unblocked this Javito1993. Why exactly? He always do disruptive editing especially on Statistics of the COVID-19 pandemic in Indonesia because he only updates new cases and deaths (bad things) but not recoveries (good thing). Prior to your writings on his talk page, he never responded to any warnings given, not even contested once. Hence, the lack of coordination led to the indef block. I want to ask you to reconsider the matter, since Javito now apparently uses desktop web in editing. At least have him partially blocked from editing the aforementioned article. I sincerely hope you would consider since the account was created after some of the Brisbane-originated IP addresses he used was blocked. And when the account got blocked, he returned to these IP addresses again, prompting some range blocks. At least have him blocked from editing the aforementioned page only. Thank you for your time. Flix11 (talk) 11:03, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Javito1993 was previously via mobile, which means he probably never saw most or any of the talkpage messages where people raised objections to his edits, so his not responding to them, while irritating, wasn't really his fault. He has now promised to pay attention to such objections. Has he failed to do so? I don't in fact see that you have ever raised such objections to him with regard to the Indonesia page – nor do I see that his method of updating the page was in itself obviously disruptive. If you disagree about the way the page should be updated, I'd ask you to treat that as a regular content disagreement and, first of all, explain to him what exactly you object to and why. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I occasionally update on mobile web as well, and the notifs run perfectly well. This was his latest action. The numbers were added out of nowhere on 16:12 local, 9:12 UTC. He said this when I warned him for the lack of source written even on edit summary. FYI, BNPB updated on 18:17 (11:17 UTC). The COVID19.go.id was down on server and inaccessible while the KemenkesRI updated on 16:39 (9:39 UTC). The earliest per Google search (with keywords "covid positif 54517") was on 16:18 (9:18 local). So from my POV, he added those numbers from crystal ball. Flix11 (talk) 14:02, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

ANI discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Disagreement over fair use images. Thank you. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 02:04, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

It's not about you, but you have been mentioned and the issue involves the File Upload Wizard. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 02:05, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Only you can..

..export File:KK-Sarachandra-Bose.jpg to Commons and give it a license review. Because I find no trace of a license on [11], but you saw the license at the time. Luckily you're a license reviewer. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 19:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh, that was a looong time ago – can't say I remember anything about it. Apparently the uploader (who must have been involved with the subject) added the licensing info to their source website himself, I checked it, then he must have removed it again. But, seriously, since the image has never been actually used and was only intended for some draft that must have been spammy/autobiographical/coi or something and has been deleted for ages, I'd rather do a quiet file-prod, if you don't mind. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:44, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Actually I would.. Think he's potentially even notable now (may not have been in 2011), should surely be notable enough for Wikidata if it's not enough for Wikipedia.

— Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 08:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I've moved it. Can you do something with it then? It's now sitting there uncategorized and unused, so probably likely to sink in the bottomless depths of Commons .... Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:29, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

I've created d:Q107832509 and Caste system in India#KK Sarachandra Bose. I guess Commons would have a "Social activists from India" and/or "Lawyers from India" category that may get added by a WikiGnome sooner or later. (my own relation with Commons is complicated) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 17:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

References

which

Which banned user was it who misused my talk page to abuse you? (all I see is an unlinked ip) If it is sensitive, email--I am still a Functionary. And thanks for the revert. DGG ( talk ) 22:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, that was WP:LTA/VXFC, always recognizable by their obsession about calendar issues and that Mohammed picture they were ranting about. Sorry, I have to block them so often I usually don't bother to write out their full name in the block log. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:21, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I'd watch for them too, but it seems like you're likely to get there first. DGG ( talk ) 04:57, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	For helping deal with disruptive users and other important tasks around Wikipedia I award you The Admin's Barnstar. HighInBC Need help? Just ask. 10:41, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Copyvio

You stated an article was a copyvio. I had asked @Rosguill: to check if there was a copyvio two years ago; Rosguill stated there was no copyvio at the time. Veverve (talk) 00:39, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Mensural notation

@Future Perfect at Sunrise: You did a very good job at Mensural notation! It's a shame that you did add inline references; I think with what you've done you could easily get the article to featured status. Wretchskull (talk) 18:28, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

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Appealing

What in the appeal would need to be removed? Because most of it was relevant to proving a witch hunt. At no point did I ask for anyone else to be sanctioned. --Steverci (talk) 06:23, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

I would strongly recommend removing everything to do with Grandmaster and how and why he raised the complaint against you. You were sanctioned for your activity, which is your responsibility alone, and any lifting of the sanctions will be dependent solely on people's confidence in your pattern of activity going to be different in the future. "Witchhunt" is simply not an argument. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:49, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm well aware of WP:NOTTHEM and would not mention anybody else in an ordinary situation. But shouldn't it be relevant that the AE report creator had previously gloated about gaming the system to get editors they disagree with sanctioned? --Steverci (talk) 05:04, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't see how. I didn't see provocation or gaming from his side leading up to the edits for which you were sanctioned – in at least one of the articles in question, you jumped into an article in which G. had been editing and which you had never touched before, immediately engaging in revert-warring with him and in pretty glaringly tendentious/disruptive edits of your own. Who was "hunting" anybody there? In any case, you brought forward that "witchhunt" argument during that last appeal attempt and by the time I shut it down it was already apparent you weren't getting any traction on it, so why would you try that same tack again? But you know what, do what you must. If you want to appeal again, do it as best as you can. It won't be me making any determination on whether what you're doing is within the bounds of the topic ban or not, this time. But don't tell me I didn't warn you. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:28, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

In hindsight it was clearly gaming/baiting because he waited until after making three reverts[12][13][14] just before finally going to the talk within the same hour of the third revert.[15] I had thought it was odd he didn't go to the talk page sooner when he was the one changing the last consensus version, and now it's clear he needed several reverts to sell his edit warring case (just as how he described in his mailing list a decade ago). I brought up the witch hunt again because there was a lot of information not included before, and that time it was to appeal my ban. I never actually requested anyone to be sanctioned in my appeal. But just to potentially save the noticeboard's time, please hear this out. In the time since my ban was reinstated, uninvolved third-party users have agreed that Grandmaster was pushing too much undue detail and most of the content I was reverting has now been removed by a talk consensus. Surely this means my reverts on the article weren't deserving of a topic ban, or at least an indefinite topic ban is excessively harsh?

Oh and Brandmeister, one of Grandmaster's old mailing list pupils, just happened to wander upon the Lachin talk page and vote for the same thing as Grandmaster despite never editing the Lachin article before. And both of them just happened to have made groundless sock puppet accusations against me within the past few months.[16][17] Yes, there's definitely no suspicious "hunt" going on here at all. --Steverci (talk) 04:23, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Can you explain how it's tendentious/disruptive when uninvolved editors later agreed with my edits? And are you going to acknowledge the glaringly obvious example of gaming/meatpuppetry I pointed out? --Steverci (talk) 03:56, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm making another noticeboard appeal, as you said I was entitled to do, and officially notifying you of it, as you wanted me to have done last time. --Steverci (talk) 05:24, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

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JIES

Hey, FutPerf. Hope you're well. Do you happen to have an institutional subscription to the Journal of Indo-European Studies?--Maleschreiber (talk) 18:42, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

176.58.204.150 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Is this Deucalionite or someone else?--Maleschreiber (talk) 18:04, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

They are not in Deucalionite's usual geolocation, so for the moment I'm assuming it's just some other anon user who was reinstating Deuc's edits. The previous IP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2605:AD80:0:186F:0:0:0:0/64 was him though, without any doubt. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:23, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Could it be a private proxy or a collaboration between two different people? Their edits led me to suspect a relation to Mercurius1 Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mercurius1/Archive.--Maleschreiber (talk) 18:37, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh, yes, Mercurius/Deji would be plausible, you're probably right. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:25, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

2A02:1388:87:42B8:A1A0:33A:B41D:49BE (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and 79.107.224.161 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (Mercurius1/Deji). Is a range block possible?--Maleschreiber (talk) 19:06, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Not one that would really cover all of his IPs, as they are distributed across too many different ranges, but I've applied some local ones. Thanks for keeping a watch out. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:42, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

The funny thing is that I'm not monitoring the sock's edits. They are following my edits. And when you block them, usually an old account comes in to restore at least a part of the sock's edits[18]. At GA: the sock's edits were reinstated twice in 24 hours [19][20] (1RR violation). Effectively, the sock occupies the ecological niche of putting forward the hard line of a narrative and after it gets reverted, others may sweep in to preserve part of it.--Maleschreiber (talk) 22:29, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

• Alexikoua is manually moving pages. I assume that he chose Panos Bitzilis because he can't revert Cercok back to Panos Bitsilis [21]. An admin should provide some oversight.--Maleschreiber (talk) 10:53, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the double redirect loop. I got Escher-esque vibes just from clicking through the redirects back and forth.--Maleschreiber (talk) 11:11, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Royal Aegis (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log): very likely a Mercurius/Deji sock [22][23]--Maleschreiber (talk) 15:17, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

And 2A02:1388:8A:7F74:F0F3:4713:8EF6:B6B4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)--Maleschreiber (talk) 02:57, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

New account: Wase134 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) [24].--Maleschreiber (talk) 20:43, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

New Jersey IP

You might want to take a look at that possible socking by Deucalionite [25]. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:44, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Byzantine Empire

Hi! I wanted to explain my good faith edits for the Byzantine Empire which you reverted:

• Byzantium, as the wiki link shows, is an ancient city which inspired historians to invent a new name for the medieval Roman Empire. Calling the Byzantine Empire as synonymous with Byzantium is like saying the British Empire is synonymous with the name Londinium.
• Separately, the second paragraph talks about the historiography without actually calling it out. The name Byzantine Empire has roots from conflict in medieval politics after the Franks claimed authority derived from to the Roman Empire in 800AD under the Donation of Constantine and that continues to be a conflict here on Wikipedia and that is debated by modern historians as it distorts history. There is a entire paragraph explaining it's a made up term: what's wrong with saying this is a historiographical term? Pointing out modern historians use this term to help us understand complexity is relevant to a reader who would otherwise think it was a different empire.

Elias (talk) 21:23, 17 December 2021 (UTC).

No, calling the Byzantine Empire "Byzantium" is not like calling the British Empire "Londinium". Because the one is done, in English, and the other isn't. It's as simple as that. It's not our business to judge whether that naming practice is appropriate; it's part of the English language.

And no, sending the reader on a wild goose chase to an article about "historiography" as if they could find something relevant to this article there, which they can't, is still not useful. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:39, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Ηρόδοτος

Βλέπω δηλώνεις ότι έχεις καλή γνώση της νέας ελληνικής και μέτρια γνώση της της αρχαίας. Θα ήθελα να μου εξηγήσεις στα νέα ελληνικά τι κάνω λάθος σε αυτό που διαβάζω. Αναφέρομαι στο Ηροδότου Ιστορίαι 6 44 1 Aeolic order (talk) 21:12, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

You think you're in a position to challenge me to a test? Stop being ridiculous. Anyway, this all shows you still haven't got the message. I'm not going to discuss the reading of that passage of Herodotus with you, in English or Greek or whatever language, because your reading of Herodotus is of no significance whatsoever. You really need to finally make an effort to wrap your brain about this simple fact: nobody on Wikipedia cares about what you think the significance of that passage is, or whether you read it correctly. What Wikipedia cares about is only, exclusively what reputable scholars have written about it. And now go away; characters like you are not welcome on this page. Don't post here again. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:45, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

"Characters" ok Aeolic order (talk) 22:09, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

IP sockpuppet

Hello, you blocked 173.70.192.137 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) some days ago for being a sockpuppet account. The block has ever since expired and the IP has continued its editing on Evangelos Zappas and Konstantinos Zappas. Could you block this user again, and maybe protect both pages for a longer period? Super Ψ Dro 17:28, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

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small matter

Dear Future Perfect at Sunrise, I´ve read your post at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2013 December 13 referring to The myth that which is banned from integrated relatives and have a question for you.

I made a good faith edit, replacing "that" with "which": Ontology is the branch of philosophy that studies concepts such as existence, being, becoming, and reality.

Alas, Phlsph7 immediately reverted it. His reason per edit summary: "that" is normally used for defining clauses.

I think this statement is prescriptive prejudice (and the revert reeks of ownership of article...). "Which" is actually easier, as it can be used either "restrictively" or "non-restrictively" ("restrictive" or "defining" being the old-fashioned term).

What do you say?--Wuerzele (talk) 14:07, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

RfD comment request

Hello. Could you come and give your opinion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 16#Aftonomi Monastiki Politia Agiou Orous? Thanks. Veverve (talk) 23:31, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Just a reminder. Veverve (talk) 18:04, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Admin discussion

Hello. I realise your involvement in an earlier Kosovo discussion will prevent your ability to act. I thought you might like to know however that I have made a complaint about one editor and I adduced one of your contributions within the post. Here is a quick link. --Coldtrack (talk) 20:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Silbenstrich merge to Mensural notation

No criticism intended for reverting me here (I did say as much in my own edit summary after all), but I want to mention that I was executing the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Silbenstrich, which closed as merge to mensural notation. Should it instead be merged to rhythmic mode? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 14:20, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. The trouble is that rhythmic mode isn't really an article about the entire notation system of the Notre Dame period, but (nominally, at least) only about that one defining theoretical concept underlying it, the modes as such. If it was an article about modal notation as a whole, it would be easier to integrate. As it stands, the existence of those "silbenstriche" in that repertoire is such a minor, arcane detail it is really difficult to find a place for it. The current article doesn't even mention the far more prominent role of the other type of vertical stroke, the "divisio modi" strokes. It really makes little sense to cram a mention of the exceptional "silbenstriche" into the article as long as it's not even explained what they are an exception of. (For my own reference: Apel, Notation der polyphonen Musik 900–1600, p.254) Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:46, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Hm. Option one is to mention divisio modi in rhythmic mode to justify mentioning silbenstrich, but if it would feel out of place, then that's not a great option. I suppose the other is just to retarget silbenstrich to rhythmic mode without mentioning it in the text, since that'll probably put any inquiring reader approximately where they want to go. Silbenstrich has so few views (almost all recent views seem related to the AfD) it's almost immaterial, really. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 14:59, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Notify on formal complaint

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The misconduct is yours. You inserted a blatantly false factual claim about the contents of a primary source, with two secondary sources ostensibly in support, both of which quite blatantly failed to substantiate your claim. And you reacted without even a hint of self-awareness of how deeply disruptive that edit was. I am not going to pretend I have any patience with that kind of behavior. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Assuming that you are correct in the content dispute and the other's edit was wrong: does that make it right for you to insult them? Does disagreeing on a small content with them, permits the use of non-neutral and insulting edit summaries such as this one: [26] and calling them "incompetent editors" and more? WP:CIVILITY doesn't state anywhere that you can! Contrary: it tells you to stop such behaviors. Your loss of patience here is amusing: I didn't even revert you, in fact told you that I could refrain from reinstating the edit in the case you were right. But instead of acknowledging that I have recently contributed more than 1.000kb of text and you reverted me just once for 4kb of text and you started insulting me outright just for that 4kb of text! So much for an incompentent editor, indeed!

In our previous encounter, you insulted me again when I've kindly asked you to avoid quoting (or strike) [27] your past insults towards me, but you didn't comply, showing that you do not give a damn shit: you will either insult, or quote past insults at every opportunity, disregarding Wikipedia's behavioral guidelines and rules: you have in fact made sure to insult me every damn time we are crossing paths!

Really, where is your apology from 3 years ago? When others reported you at the AE for insulting me for my health disorder, you refused to ever offer an apology! You chose to remain silent and then resume your toxic attitude against me once the AE spotlight was over. Sorry but now it is too late for excuses. Arguing with you on your talk page ain't going to change anything, that's for sure. At the Office they will check our past incidents and I have made sure to help them by giving to them our diffs for yesterday's incident and more. They will see my comments, and your comments, and see which one of the two is really violating WP:CIVILITY repeatedly and without trying to remedy themselves. if you are certain you have done nothing wrong, then I am sure you have nothing to worry about. Good day. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 16:35, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

I'll apologize for the "incompetent editor" if you will apologize for your careless misrepresentation of sources. That wasn't a "minor content" disagreement; it was a big fat act of source falsification on your part, and you have as yet failed to show any regret for it. Everything else I said about it was fully justified criticism of your editing; focussed on content as it should be. As for the incidents three years ago, I never had anything to apologize for, that's why I didn't and that's why I won't. If I remember correctly, I was calling you out for some objectively disruptive behavior on your part; if that behavior was, as you then claimed, caused by some medical condition of yours, I had no way of knowing, and no reason to care.

And one final thing: Those last two words of yours, "good day", were more impolite than anything I might ever have said to you. You evidently don't care if I'm having a good day or not (and there's no reason why you should either), so don't say it if you don't mean it. If there's one thing I really cannot stand it's this kind of tacky, passive-aggressive pseudo-politeness. So, at last, spare us all those insincere "sorry"s and "I'm afraid"s and whatnot. Just cut it out. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:25, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Question on toponyms

Hello,

I have a question. I can't remember where exactly or which editors it was that said or wrote it, but some time back going from memory, there was mention of a set formula agreed to in wiki many years ago as to how to place Macedonian/Bulgarian toponyms to villages in Greek Macedonia, where applicable. If you have the link to where that was decided (so i can refer to if the need arises), it would be much appreciated. I have created some articles of recent date and a few will probably need those placenames added.Resnjari (talk) 02:35, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

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New administrator activity requirement

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Socks of Deucalionite

That account is removing "discrimination" [28] content just like an IP removed the same "racist" content some time ago [29] . As can be seen, the IP is located in New Jersey where previous confirmed IP socks of Deucalionite were located. The same content was removed in the past by several confirmed sock accounts of Deucalionite (e g. [30]). That account's name is related to the Pickelhaube helmet. Related to the same helmet is the username of Piccco, it is a short name used for the hemlet. That account made edits that change the origin of the personal name Ariana from Persian to Mediterrenean [31][32], sth that had earlier been made by an IP [33] that is located in New Jersey. You might want to take a look. Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:25, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Isn't M for Mealman (talk · contribs) the same? Pinging Ktrimi991 too as they started a sockpuppet investigation. Super Ψ Dro 14:21, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

I added that account to the SPI report, a CU could find whatever sock accounts are being used at the moment. Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:26, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Perfect username

Hi Future Perfect at Sunrise, I saw your username while surfing on Wikipedia and I really liked it. It is very interesting name. I just want to ask: This name that I have difficulty in translating into my own language how did you come up with it? I'm really curious about this. Ata Barış (talk) 20:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi, please advice.

Hi. I hope you're doing well. I am reaching you because you were concerned about other users injecting the logic of wartime ethnic retribution and nationalist tit-for-tat right into Wikipedia.[34]. Recently I noted that the same exact sentence in the Lachin article. So I rephrased it [35] to remove wartime ethnic retribution logic from the article. However, other user reverted my edit[36] basically saying that this is the correct way how it should be attributed[37].

Moreover, I identified wartime ethnic retribution logic in the 2020 Ganja missile attacks article: The missile attacks happened one week after Azerbaijan began firing cluster bombs and missiles against Armenian civilian areas in Stepanakert.. Initially I tried to paraphrase it to make it neutral. Later I removed it because I identified that it is WP:OR, not supported by the majority of the sources and violates WP:WEIGHT/WP:Neutral. However, other user insisting to keep this statement in the article. I made a bold comment[38] on the talk-page, which seems to be ignored.

I am not sure what to do, shall I take this cases, which were already discussed and commented by admins as unacceptable, to the dispute resolutions? Can you advice the way forward please? Thanks in advance! Abrvagl (talk) 06:08, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

@Future Perfect at Sunrise Future Perfect at Sunrise ping please Abrvagl (talk) 19:44, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Josquin sheet music

Hi Future Perfect at Sunrise, I don't think we've had a pleasure, but it's nice to meet you. I made a Finale pdf for Josquin's article (File:Ave Maria... Virgo serena.png), though the formatting is much less ideal than your very well made File:Josquin Domine ne in furore.svg. I was wondering if you might have any interest in remaking my Ave Maria sheet music with the proper notation and formatting you used for Domine ne in furore. I have been working on the Josquin article for quite a while at FAR, so this updated image would be a welcome improvement. Best – Aza24 (talk) 18:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Future Perfect at Sunrise, I'm going to assume from your silence that you don't have time to consider the request. Take care – Aza24 (talk) 19:29, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to Request to Move discussion

Hi Future Perfect at Sunrise, knowing your interest in all things Macedonian, I invite you to participate in this Request to Move: Discuss GStojanov (talk) 18:31, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Ideological oriented user

Hi, I request your intervention in article Istrian Democratic Assembly because ideological oriented user persists on invented word "anti-fascism" but no word "anti-fascism" in relaed source: this to falsify sources is vandalism! In real situation, Istrian people is anti-communist after 50 years of communist dictators Josip Broz and Milosevic. You have good day Forza bruta (talk) 05:59, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Sock

Hey, hope you're well. A new Deji sock is active[39]. Is it possible to deal with it or semi-protect articles which it is targeting?--Maleschreiber (talk) 18:31, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

"Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 18#FYROM (Macedonia) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 12:31, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Kinburn Spit length and width

Hello Future Perfect at Sunrise, I hope you're doing well. I saw your edit to Kinburn spit which you claimed corrected the length and width of the spit from that of the entire peninsula. I'm just curious though, where did you get the information from? I looked for a while myself, but all I could find was a mention in an article by The Guardian which claims that the spit is a "25-mile (40km) stretch of sand," which supports the original information that you changed. You are probably correct in your edit though, because this mention on the spit was just a small part of a larger article, making it possible that the info was taken from Wikipedia itself before your edit, but I currently have no way to know. Your edit is what is currently stated in the article, but it has no citation, so I just was curious were you got it from, and if it was just by looking at a digital map, that's fine by me, I just wanted to know. Thanks! Johnson524 (Talk!) 15:42, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, basically I just measured it out on Google Maps – I don't suppose that counts as prohibited "WP:OR" as long as it's just about simple geographic facts. My impression is that the terms for the "spit" and the "peninsula" frequently get confused in the literature – for instance, the page from "Encyclopedia of Ukraine" we are listing under external links also speaks of the "spit" but is clearly about the whole peninsula. I wonder how many of the recently added statements about military events are also really about that – I'm no expert on military matters but it seems not very plausible to me that so many military activities should be taking place on a a barren, flat piece of sand that is only a few 100 meters wide and offers no infrastructure, no cover and no shelter, as opposed to the larger peninsula with its settlements and woods. Maybe our terminology that distinguishes between the "spit" and the "peninsula" is actually not shared by the wider literature at all and we should really merge the two articles. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:17, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more actually! As far as I am aware, all of the sources I have found and added recently specifically say "Kinburn Spit", but in some reports also talk about landings taking place in villages near the end of the peninsula (at least in one which I didn't end up using as a citation for this reason). News and media have really used the two terms interchangeably, making it pretty hard to differentiate if military operations taking place 'on the spit' are really there. I suppose it could be done with a good bit of extra effort into verifying each claim, but as it stands now, if there is a way to redirect the (stub) 2022 Russian Invasion section in the Kinburn Peninsula article to the Kinburn Spit one, I think it would largely be a beneficial move, also seeing that the news and media mainly tend to prefer using the words "Kinburn Spit" over "Kinburn Peninsula" when writing interchangeably about the two (judging by a quick google search). As for the original matter, thank you for specifically finding the measurements for the spit (and not the peninsula) for the article, and for following up with me so quickly my question about it. I really appreciate it 😁 Johnson524 (Talk!) 07:06, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Croatian protections

Hi, I've been looking at Wikipedia:Database reports/Indefinitely semi-protected articles recently, mostly looking articles that have been protected for a very long time but possibly don't need protection any more. The first few hundred are mostly racial slurs, active politicians, etc, the sort of article you'd expect to be protected forever or at least a very long way into the future. I've just got to some of your 2009 protections of articles about Croatian politics which were apparently in response to a particular sockmaster which you marked "please do not unprotect". I'll leave them alone but I wondered if you'd have a look and see if the protections are still necessary. I'm happy if they are, I'd just like to know that they've been looked at in the last ~14 years and not forgotten. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:57, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

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Turkic peoples

Hi, looks like you set protection level of this page to semi-protected long time ago. Can you raise it to extended confirmed protection? Since 2021 summer, we've had a bit of ongoing sock issue (Turukkaean (talk · contribs), Whhu22 (talk · contribs), and BaiulyQz (talk · contribs)). Bogazicili (talk) 17:17, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Actually found that there is a request for protection page and made a request there, so feel free to ignore the above. Bogazicili (talk) 17:24, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Sock

2600:4040:AE1C:A400:A4A5:AFD:796C:13DD (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - the usual sock at work again.--Maleschreiber (talk) 00:36, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

100.1.14.236 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) again. --Maleschreiber (talk) 20:49, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Another sock of Deucalionite is trying to make edits of previous socks on Nicholas Leonicus Thomaeus. Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:56, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Is this a new account Tikimat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)?--Maleschreiber (talk) 19:33, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Future Perfect at Sunrise!

Happy New Year!

Future Perfect at Sunrise,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
— Moops ^⋠T⋡ 16:39, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

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Your recent edit on Stigma (letter)

Hello there. I'm Chiagozie Elobuike. I just noticed that you removed what I put because you claimed that the Greek letter Stigma doesn't have a cpaital form. Stigma does have a capital form. Here. (Uppercase: Ϛ, lowercase: ϛ) Chiagozie Elobuike (talk) 22:29, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

This is a somewhat complicated and confusing story. I know there is an uppercase form encoded in Unicode. But that Unicode character isn't really what this article is about. The article is about the use of the ligature σ+τ = ϛ in historical Greek writing and early printing. This ligature form was only ever used in lowercase. The Unicode character isn't meant for use as this ligature, even though – confusingly – its name suggests a connection. It's for encoding an historically different character that happens to look the same, and which is used for writing the number 6 in historical writing. In this function, we treat it in our article on digamma, where it historically belongs. In that character, too, the uppercase form is decidedly marginal, but it does historically exist, if only as a kind of typographical afterthought. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Byzantine Empire

Hi

I discussed this in the Talk page to make it easier I'll write it here:

I came across text that was very similar to what is written in a source.

Below is my quotation from the source and second the current text your reverted back to.

James, Liz (2010). A Companion to Byzantium. Chichester: John Wiley. ISBN 978-1-4051-2654-0. P.5

“But from the start, there were two major differences between the Roman and Byzantine empires: Byzantium was, for much of its life, a Greek-speaking empire, orientated towards Greek, not Latin culture; and it was a Christian empire”

Although the Roman state continued and its traditions were maintained, modern historians distinguish Byzantium from ancient Rome insofar as it was centred on Constantinople, oriented towards Greek rather than Latin culture and characterised by Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

I believe it is WP:CLOP.

Secondly, how else can I have a productive conversation for a modification when all I am doing is trying to represent what the sources actually say?

Thanks for your time

Elias Elias (talk) 14:55, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

This sentence has been around, in one form or another, since 2011. Its first version, as far as I can reconstruct, was introduced by User:Swarm in this edit [40] (Byzantium, however, was distinct from ancient Rome, in that it was predominantly Greek-speaking and was influenced by Greek, as opposed to Latin, culture), followed a short time later by a rewording by myself [41] (It is today distinguished from ancient Rome proper insofar as it was characterised by Christian rather than pagan culture, and predominantly Greek rather than Latin-speaking.) Ever since then, it's been fiddled with every other month and has slowly morphed into what it is now. From the beginning, it was quite sufficiently independent from the wording of the source to stay well clear of WP:CLOP, although I now see one of its parts (the "oriented towards" phrase) somehow took a turn back towards echoing the source wording more closely (actually, I now find that was done only a few days after my own edit, by a notorious ban-evading sock – I should have been more watchful about that one [42].) In any case, I don't think this one "oriented towards" phrase is a problem in terms of close paraphrasing; all the rest of the sentence is still quite sufficiently different both in terms of wording and content.

About the rest of your attempts at rewording that sentence, I'm afraid I'm simply not seeing what problem you are trying to solve. In fact you seem to be alone in seeing a problem there, and to me at least it's been looking like you've been producing proposal after proposal up to the point where everybody else has become too bored to respond to them, so interpreting the silence as a silent consensus for your latest versions is probably not quite the right thing. I'd recommend just giving it a rest. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:10, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. It was not complete silence. Both @Furius and @Iazyges voiced support for proposed changes. @Diannaa gave her opinion in the Talk and said it is too much like the source I called out and pointed out above.

Is it also not a problem that the sources that this statement came from (1) Only say Christianity, not Eastern Orthodox (2) Clearly distinguish Greek language? And, thanks for pointing it out now, the original as well the edit you made. That is to mean they also says "Christian" not Eastern Orthodox, and Greek language over Latin which is *exactly* what I am saying in the issue.

Why don't we just revert to the 7 September 2011 version you wrote with the sources?

It is today distinguished from ancient Rome proper insofar as it was characterised by Christian rather than pagan culture, and predominantly Greek rather than Latin-speaking.

From a substantive point of view, the only "additional" change with my proposal is it contrasts it with the earlier Roman Empire to avoid comparison to the Western Roman Empire @DeCausa rightly points out. The reference to Constantinople, which all the sources say and was in the most recent version so not added by me. (It's also in line with the forthcoming book by a leading historian: https://www.amazon.com/New-Roman-Empire-History-Byzantium/dp/0197549322).

Added below for comparison:

Although the Roman state continued, modern historians distinguish the Byzantine Empire from the earlier Roman Empire due to the imperial seat moving to Constantinople, the use of Greek over Latin, and its integration of Christianity.

And this is what it is currently which is being defended as correct and long standing:

Although the Roman state continued and its traditions were maintained, modern historians prefer to differentiate the Byzantine Empire from Ancient Rome as it was centered on Constantinople, oriented towards Greek rather than Latin culture, and characterised by Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

I am just trying to move us forward so will give it a rest if I have to, but right now this is becoming a interesting example of Wikipedia epistemology. Elias (talk) 18:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Again, there isn't a problem to fix that needs "moving forward" on. "Byzantine" does not include the Western Empire so "integration of Christianity" linked to that article doesn't work as a differentiator. You linked to Ancient Rome - that article includes the Western Empire. QED. You could argue that "Ancient Rome" is ambiguos, but the point of the sentence is what's distinctive about Byzantium compared to what came before. The current sentence does that; yours doesn't. DeCausa (talk) 18:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Every source that was attributed to that sentence lists "Christianity" as the differentiator. No one said " Eastern Orthodox".

Separately, if we compare it to the earlier Roman Empire, which if you look more closely is what I wrote, it contrasts it to the pagan/emperor worship policies that had historians unanimously agree distinguish Constantine's New Roman Empire that we called Byzantium and meets your "point of the sentence". Elias (talk) 18:26, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Dokdo/Takeshima/Liancourt Rocks- how to use NPOV language

Hello, I've recently gotten interested in editing Liancourt Rocks-related articles (specifically changing the tone to make these articles more NPOV as needed). I decided to reach out to you as the Contentious Topics notice on the Liancourt Rocks said that you were familiar with the subject.

While editing articles related to these islands, should I use "Liancourt Rocks" at all times, or is it appropriate to use "Dokdo" or "Takeshima" under certain circumstances? If so, what are the circumstances where I should use "Dokdo" or "Takeshima" as opposed to "Liancourt Rocks"? Also, should "East Sea" or "Sea of Japan" be used (does the East Sea/Sea of Japan naming depend on circumstances too)?

Shadow of the Starlit Sky (talk) 02:59, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Deji

122.57.69.122 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)/ - the usual IP evasion, if you have some time to deal with it.--Maleschreiber (talk) 16:22, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Non neutral RFC

Hello, I've changed it a little bit. If there are any further issues, please let me know. Thanks. AlexBachmann (talk) 15:42, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

That's still far from a good RfC statement. You need to clearly separate the actual question from your personal argument. You can put the argumentative portions into your own !vote paragraph, but it should stay out of the shared RfC header area, which is for the question only. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:45, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Also, strategically speaking, you may want to reconsider the wording of "should be removed from every mention of Kosovo", because it is setting up an all-or-nothing choice, which may be off-putting to commenters. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:47, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. AlexBachmann (talk) 15:49, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Uw-1rrMac

Template:Uw-1rrMac has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 20:36, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Suggestion about edit summaries

Hello there!

I saw your edit here. It's taken me about an hour of Googling and reading Wikipedia to decipher what your edit summary means (I don't regret this, this is how I piecemeal learn how Wikipedia works). I'm sure the summary makes immediate sense to those immersed and versed in the ways of Wikipedia administration but for future edits in this campaign could I suggest that you use an edit summary along the lines of 'remove kosovo-note template as per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_2#Template:Kosovo-note'? I think this would help those like me and others with still less experience and determination, which I estimate at 99% of Wikipedia visitors. Citruswinter (talk) 04:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Nuke the whole question if you think appropriate

Appreciate your an others work on the RD, delete the whole question if you think best even if i've responded. fiveby(zero) 17:36, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, thanks, but are you talking about the "Hexagesimal time measurement" thread on the Humanities desk? I didn't think that the person who created that thread was the banned user in question, so I don't see a reason to remove the thread as a whole (actually, it sounds like a rather interesting one). Or am I missing something? Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:39, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that is what i was referring to. I can't keep track of all the RD trolls (but am very glad someone does), all i know is there is one out there with some kind of calendar obsession. There are some with an opinion that questions shouldn't be deleted once responded to, just letting you know not to hesitate at all if it's just me who has responded. The question is interesting and hopefully leads to some article work, which is what the RD should be all about. Gives those of us who can't write a way to contribute. fiveby(zero) 20:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for merger of Template:Non-free use rationale 2

Template:Non-free use rationale 2 has been nominated for merging with Template:Non-free use rationale. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:26, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

92.27.154.97

Is this a sock of VXFC as Viennese Waltz has indicated? Or am I in the wrong to continue reverting the IP? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:23, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Sock

Another Deji sock 62.74.47.223 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Something more needs to be done about this issue because it is obvious that all socks are supporting & are being supported by certain editors.--Maleschreiber (talk) 10:26, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

What proof do you have of socking? Is very Greek IP a sock according to you? The IP editor has made valid points, which you seem unable or unwilling to refute, which would explain your presence here. Khirurg (talk) 13:24, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't engage in any discussion per WP:DENY. This IP and all other related ones have been appearing on & off to support or oppose certain edits and editors. The pattern is very consistent with what has happened again and again. This is not a new user, but an old one who is following certain editors to oppose them and others to support them e.g. they always appear to be following Alltan to revert them 62.74.55.253 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) [43]. The same IP range has definitely appeared among Deji's various socks. It is worth having a discussion at the relevant admin board as to why certain editors always tend to support or be supported by such IPs. --Maleschreiber (talk) 15:04, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

One more "random" IP 94.71.169.208 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and one more revert in support of the IP [44]. It is highly likely that all of these IPs are in fact the same person. Side comment: The source doesn't even support the statement which the IP added. --Maleschreiber (talk) 15:11, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

It's very convenient to label every inconvenient Greek IP as a sock of Deji. Or maybe it could be that POV pushing by certain editors, such as Alltan, is drawing more and more attention. Feel free to have a discussion at the relevant admin board. But it will be a long discussion. Khirurg (talk) 21:30, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Future Perfect at Sunrise

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Aoidh (talk) 22:27, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Markopoulo

There's an account which is targeting the article Markopoulo Mesogaias and removing information about Arvanites in the area: 4 reverts [45][46][47][48], while in the 5th revert they again removed academic sources and copy/pasted a google translate version of a non-academic post in Greek from a local website[49] about "Albanian-speaking continental tribes of Greek origin, who lived in the area of northern Epirus". I had already warned them about 3RR before 3RR violation: (User talk:KaragouniS#3RR) and I tried to have a discussion about bibliography with them (User talk:Maleschreiber#Do it).--Maleschreiber (talk) 14:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Side comment: I wasn't aware of what this accounts represents when I tried to have a reasonable discussion about bibliography: [50].--Maleschreiber (talk) 14:14, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Σελίδα Μαρκοπούλου

Φίλε μου τι κάνεις; Σε θυμήθηκα αμέσως γιατί κάποτε με έιχες ρωτήσει για τα μουστοκούλουρα που φτιάχνει ο Δαρεμάς στην πλατεία της πόλης (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:KaragouniS/Archive_2#Arvanites_and_Marcopoulo), βλέπεις αυτά είναι τα καλά του να έχεις καλή μνήμη :D Λοιπόν, τώρα στο θέμα για το οποίο ήρθα, πού είναι το αρθρο του Δήμου Μαρκοπούλου, επειδή υπάρχει ένα μεγάλο ζήτημα.

-Πρώτον, το κομμάτι της Ιστορίας είναι όντως μετάφραση από την επίσημη σελίδα του Δήμου οποία έγινε απο εμένα, όχι μέσω Google Translate οπως λέει ο αποπάνω. Δεύτερον, το κομμάτι αυτό είναι γραμμένο με βάση την βιβλιογραφία που παρέθεσα και κατά πρώτον δεν είναι αντικείμενο πνευματικής ιδιοκτησίας του Δήμου αλλά ένα γενικό ιστορικό ρεζουμέ βασισμένο στην εκδομένη και παρεχόμενη βιβλιογραφία η οποία ανήκει σε τρίτους και εαν θυμάμαι καλά ΔΕΝ χρήζει περιορισμού επειδή δεν είναι αυτούσιο παρμένο απο τα βιβλία που έγραψαν. Τέλος παντως, εάν έχω κάπου λαθος, πες μου πως να το διορθώσω ώστέ να μπορέσει να ξαναμπεί στην σελίδα
-Δεύτερον και πιο σημαντικό. Υπάρχει μια ομάδα απο χρήστες (συγκεκριμένα οι Maleschreiber, Nishjan και Alltan, πιθανόν και άλλοι) οι οποίοι συστηματικά μπαίνουν σε άρθρα που αφορούν τους Αρβανίτες και ειτέ αφαιρουν Ελληνικές πηγές τις οποίες αντικαθιστούν με Αλβανικές (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nikolaos_Kriezotis&diff=1179176822&oldid=1179175560) ή άλλες που έγκειται κοντά στο εθνικιστικό ατεκμηρίωτο Αλβανικό αφήγημα ότι οι Αρβανίτες δεν είναι Αλβανόφωνο φύλο εξ Ηπείρου αλλά Εξελλένησμένοι Αλβανοί, το οποίο δεν αναφέρεται στο άρθρο Arvanites με την μορφή την οποία οι συγκεκριμένοι χρήστες υποστηρίζουν, όπως θα έχεις δει και στο talk page της σελίδας. Τώρα δεν ξέρω πως να αντιμετωπίσω αυτήν την τοξικότητα, κυρίως σαν αρβανίτης και εγώ να βλέπω ότι άνθρωποι που δεν έχουν καμία σχέση με τον λαό μου να προσπαθούν με μανίας να επιβάλουν την απόψη τους μέσω edit warring και απειλών για ban στο talk page μου από χρήστες που εμφανώς συννενοούνται μεταξύ τους.

Όπως καταλαβαίνεις, πρακτικά ζητάω οδηγίες για το τι να κάνω ή τι να μην κάνω απο τον πλέον καθ'ύλην αρμόδιο όπως εσύ σαν διαχειριστής. Ευχαριστώ εκ των προτέρων για την απαντήση σου KaragouniS :  Chat  17:48, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Four things: the passage you added was indeed a copyright violation – it doesn't matter if the source text is marked as copyrighted on that website; whoever wrote it for the municipality holds the copyrights for it, whether they explicitly claim them or not. You can't simply copy it over like that. Independently of the copyright issue, this kind of copying also leads to very poor encyclopedia writing. Just as one example: the passage you inserted maintained the entire perspective of the original throughout, including referring to Greece as "our country". That's of course not possible in the voice of Wikipedia. Additionally, even if you were to fully reword the passage to make it your own text and fully in Wikipedia's voice, you still couldn't use that website as a source for it, because it doesn't qualify as a reliable source.

The other thing: whatever you feel about the editing of those other editors, in the present case there clearly wasn't an issue of them "removing Greek sources" and "adding Albanian ones". Leaving aside the fact that there isn't anything wrong about adding Albanian sources, the only person who removed a properly sourced statement in the present case was you – you removed the well-sourced statement about the Arvanite history of the place, which happened to be sourced to a German academic. Maleschreiber later added another source, which happened to be a Greek one [51], and which you then removed again. Why?

Third, the notion that Arvanites were – in terms of their historical origin – "Hellenized Albanians" is not a "nationalist Albanian narrative" as you put it, but the unanimous and entirely straightforward consensus of all the academic literature, including the Greek academic literature. I'm sorry if that is not what you like to hear, but that's a fact. In all these years, nobody has ever come up with any decent sources for any alternative view. However, I don't see how this issue is at all relevant to the specific passage in this article.

Lastly, these days it's come to be considered rather inappropriate to hold discussions on the English Wikipedia in non-English languages. I know we did it a lot more back "in the old days", and I still think it's ok for friendly banter, but it certainly shouldn't be done to have discussions involving complaints about other users, especially about users of a different nationality, if the use of a non-English language could be perceived as an attempt at excluding them. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:14, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Well sorry then, I can express myself better by using it since it's my native tongue so since I knew you can speak it I felt comfortable enough using it. I did a small edit in the article, specifically linking "Albanian" settlers to "Arvanites", I hope they won't throw me to the dogs for that. Thanks again for your input over this. KaragouniS :  Chat  20:32, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to write a well-thought response, Fut. Perf. I have added Sasse (1991) again. KaragouniS should read more works published by reputable journals and publishing houses about Arvanites - mostly by Greek historians. There's an unambiguous consensus which doesn't include any "controversy" that groups like the Arvanites are just descendants of medieval Albanian settlers and this is unrelated to modern identity construction.--Maleschreiber (talk) 19:19, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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Slavic migrations to Southeastern Europe

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