Talk:The Open Door

Spelling reverts

Stop changing it to "lacrymosa," look at the Requiem page

Magazine says "lacrymosa," requiem page says "lacrimosa," magazine is foreign

Ive added if it is changed now, warn them with {{test2}} or {{test1}}. Also please sign your comments--Childzy _talk ^contribs 21:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I added a footnote regarding this track. DO NOT REMOVE IT! It speaks truth! If it is removed one more time, I'll get very angry! And you wouldn't like me when I'm angry... U-Mos 17:28, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I will get so angry i will punch the next I.P that reverts it (yes my fist right through the screen)--Childzy _talk ^contribs 17:59, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

71.19.20.202 (aka guy who keeps removing the footnote), read your user page! If you want to be blocked, you are going the right way about it! U-Mos 12:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I already reported him to the admin Pilotguy so he will be banned when he gets online ;-> --Childzy _talk ^contribs 14:52, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

He's been blocked! Woo! U-Mos 15:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

to be honest though i can see him coming straight back after the block has expired so if he does it again just report him to Pilotguy and he will get an extended block--Childzy _talk ^contribs 15:23, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Track list

A scanned foreign magazine is not a source, leave it as possible track list as personally i wont believe anything till i have the album in my hand. When a more reliable source gives a track list (ie windup website of evanescence website) the article should not be changed, if it is changed it will be considered vandalism. If anyone has a problem please state it here. --Childzy _talk ^contribs 12:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Seeing as it's listed as a possible track list, I would say a numbered list is more appropriate. Also, why has the Narnia song been removed from the article completely? I know it wasn't mentioned in the magazine scan, but it should be noted at least in the bulleted list at the top, or next to its most likely title "snow white queen". Also, tracks that have been confirmed (lacrimosa, call me when you're sober, lithium, good enough, weight of the world) should be noted as such. U-Mos 15:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Lose Control is actually Love Control in the scan - should be changed. U-Mos 17:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

get over the scan, to be honest i think the entire article should be removed untill october 3rd it is all just speculation, most of the sources link to bullshit and you get crazy people from that evboard thinking they are fuckin god. ahhhh --Childzy _talk ^contribs 17:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

It is not all speculation - release dates, confirmed tracks and what details exist belong here. If you're not going to be constructive I'll just do all that myself, OK? U-Mos 17:47, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

a foreign article is not a source, it may not even be real--Childzy _talk ^contribs 19:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not a RELIABLE source, but I'm looking at it and it's not from Wikipedia therefore it is a source of some kind. I'm going to make the changes I listed above, and if it all turns out to be untrue, the track names will be deleted. That's what the EDIT button is for. U-Mos 20:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

ok it doesnt matter, i have got some really big problems at the min, look at these Ultra Rare Trax Vol.1 and Ultra Rare Trax Vol.2 thats why i was geeting stressed, trying to sort this mess out. --Childzy _talk ^contribs 20:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Call Me When You're Sober

The first single is "Call Me When You're Sober". It is scheduled for radio distribution on August 7, 2006.[1] <--- That. Um. My radio sort of played it today. Is there a reason for that? I'm just wondering. I know that mine, Channel 103.1 (or WHRL), always boasts that it plays songs before anyone else but wow. Three days before anyone else is a bit much.-Babylon pride 05:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Interesting; on further review, it seems a large number of stations jumped the gun and began playing it early, possibly due to heavy demand from listeners. I'll modify that particular line. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 05:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

It's very possible that a bunch of stations are just jumping the gun. It's already well-distributed around the Internet and the video has been leaked as well. bob rulz 06:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Per a post by Amy on evboard.com, the internet leak caused Wind-Up to authorize radio play early. Hasn't really taken hold, only on a few stations, but next week should see full playtime. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 06:38, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Alright. Thanks for the quick replies. 'cause I was wondering why, but yeah, it's definitely good quality. But they played it late (around one in the morning). Maybe there's a reason for that, or maybe not. It's the first time I've heard it, and I listen to the station religiously, almost any time I'm awake which is from about eleven in the morning until somewhere around two in the morning. First time hearing it, but definitely better quality than some of the songs I've heard on the station that have been released for quite some time.-Babylon pride 17:59, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The Last Song I'm Wasting On You

Is there a better source that talks about this song? It dosn't show up anywhere else, and I recall hearing in a few places that this song was nothing more than a rumor. The source listed dosn't work for me. I think you have to have to be a member of the site, which makes it pretty silly to list it as a source. The Son Of Nothing 00:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

If you go to Evanescence.com, it is the first item on the News list. Everything is in the first paragraph. The current cite #4 really shouldn't be used...I'll fix it in a moment. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 01:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

...Well duh. How silly of me. Guess I just missed that... The Son Of Nothing 01:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

It is confirmed on iTunes Music Store (US) that it is an exclusive iTunes track, if you preorder the album before a certain date. - EmeZxX 02:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

The Last Song I'm Wasting on You was also released on most Lithium singles. 12.214.76.88 20:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC) Oceanstream 20:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Confirmed track listing

All data points to the bonus track *not* being part of the released album, and won't be found on CDs available in stores; thus, it does not belong on this list. This information must be relegated to the above notes section. It's just as informative there, and doesn't raise any confusion. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 02:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I changed third commercial release to second studio release to avoid confusion as Origin is regarded by the band as a demo and only ever released 2500 copies.

Why does it say released September 25, 2006 that is certainly incorrect.

It goes out to Poland on the 25th, so that's kind of the first release date.

iTunes top 100 Albums

The album is currently number 5 in the itunes top 100 album sales, I tried to update the page to show this but couldn't do it, maybe somebody else could? 82.30.159.133 11:25, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Your change did take effect. No further edit regarding that section is currently needed. Dane2007 00:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Citing the leak..

guys, is it good to actually put in that there's been a leak? i went to the page which said the open door was leaked, and there was a LINK TO THE DOWNLOAD for it. do you really want evanescence to fail with this album which took 3 years? - EmeZxX 10:24, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Leaks don't make albums fail, on the contrary. But I don't think this is the place where to discuss this. I notice that many other bands' pages cite leaks' dates, and I think it's right to keep track of them, since they're facts. There is no moral approval or condemnation in just citing it. Of course there should be no links pointing to it! Lazarus Long 12:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. Wikipedia only cares about citing the source, not the overall content of the linked page. Given that this is a blog, it is the owner/moderator's responsibility to remove comments containing such links. Frankly, it's not our problem. I do, however, hope that those links are removed, even if leaks don't break albums. It's just bad taste. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 02:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Never mind..the admin for the site took it off anyways. - EmeZxX 11:44, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Outtakes and B-sides

Whoever added this section in the article (i couldn't find it in the history..), can someone cite this? I'm not even sure if this is true. ~ EmeZxX 11:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

How are the song lengths known if they havent leaked? Jamesinclair 03:45, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I found another song, apparently by Evanescence, recently called Angel of Mine. It sounds like Amy's voice but is not mentioned in the article. Anyone know anything about it? It's an amazingly beautiful song --Fluffy Kitten 11:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

No, this is not an Evanescence song. Apparently sayeth Amy herself: link -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 15:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Who sang it then? --Fluffy Kitten 21:09, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

im not a user but i know who sang 'angel of mine'... her name is Corinna Fugate and she is always trying to get people to listen to her music through myspace by claiming it is an unreleased amy lee or evanescence song (it also looks like she is trying to look like amy)

Okay, lets not use defamatory language here. Also, from what I've been able to determine, Ms. Fugate's song is not the "Angel of Mine" in question. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 20:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

track listing

Is there a good reason to have the song list in a table like this? I must say, it's ridiculously ugly, and very unnecessary. The Son Of Nothing 23:40, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I agree..normally on other albums, they just have the people credits in brackets. ~ EmeZxX 12:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Looking back, though, the same format is used on Fallen, so I'm sure there's a good reason for it. Ugly as it is, it's probably too much effort to change it back anyways. The Son Of Nothing 13:31, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Not quite. I'd do it :P. ~ EmeZxX 03:46, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Like You

Is Like You about Amy Lee's sister, in the same vein as Hello? Many people seem to think this, but I haven't seen any confirmation and personally I think the lyrics are far too adult to be thought by a child. But obviously, if Amy has mentioned it being about her sister previously then it is true, and should go in the article. U-Mos 20:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Some of Evanescence's songs are not based on true events in Amy Lee's life, meaning this might not be about her sister.UnDeRsCoRe 21:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I heard her say so on the radio -The King of Wikipedia but besides that I'm a regular user 22:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

UnDeRsCoRe, that's what I mean. Monkey13, can any online citation be found? U-Mos 12:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I have one question, does she even have a sister? If so, is she deceased? UnDeRsCoRe 13:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's about her sister (just like Hello). Here's an interview where she discusses her inspiration for all the songs on the album: http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1540914/story.jhtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.194.251.111 (talk • contribs)

I guess it is, she lost her sister when she was young. UnDeRsCoRe 20:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, there you go then. Also, her two other sisters sing backing vocals on CMWYS! Off I go, adding these things to the article. U-Mos 10:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Just realised how stupid I was, as the last chrous clearly goes "I long to be like you, sis". Which translates to "look at me, I'm singing about my sister again, aren't I special?" U-Mos 17:52, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

charts

Hi everyone, I'd just like if the chart trajectories/sales for the album are really necessary (ie, ARIA Top 50, UK Top 75 albums etc), as there already are a massive number of charts on the page as it is. ~ EmeZxX 03:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

also can someone change the chart position for Sweet Sacrifice? its currently #35 on Billboard mainstream rock Zacanescence 09:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

B- Sides

• At the risk of sounding stupid, what's a B-side on an album? UnDeRsCoRe 00:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I assume it means that they are songs that didn't make it onto the album and could/will be used as B-sides for any future singles. U-Mos 15:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

See A-side and B-side :) -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 19:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Mozart credited for Lacrymosa

I didn't change this outright as there is a note there, but I really don't think that Mozart should be displayed as a writer of Lacrymosa. Yes, it samples his Requiem, but he did not write it (and he is not credited on the album either). U-Mos 15:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm..I don't know about this either..because in some songs which are sampled, the artists' song which is being sampled is credited. ~ EmeZxX` 12:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

If anyone is against me changing this, speak now before I make the change. U-Mos 20:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Time up! U-Mos 10:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

This may be kinda late, but I actually think Mozart's name should go back in. He's directly credited in the booklet that comes with the CD, so... shouldn't that count for something? MasterXiam 02:56, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Where does it say his name in it I didn't see it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rudyevanescence (talk • contribs) 05:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC).

Instead of adding it to the track listing, consider just adding a small mention to the credits section. Personally, I have a problem crediting someone who is this far removed chronologically. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 05:17, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

World Top 50 Albums

Is it really necessary to have two World chart listings, especially since this one seems...suspect (being run on geocities using a cjb.net address??), given that we already have a more official site in mediatraffic.de. Thoughts? -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 22:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Lists and lists and....

I see we've gotten tagged for restructuring regarding the charts. I wonder if it would not be more appropriate to create a dedicated article just for chart information, so that the album articles themselves remain less...cluttered. We have the discography article, which is suffering much the same problem, so what about Evanescence music charts or somesuch? A single place to collect all this (fairly useless) material from the various albums. Even beyond that, how much of the existing material can be condensed? Is it really necessary to have week by week sales charts for anything but worldwide sales, for example? Could the discography article itself be better organized to handle both charts and track data? -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 11:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Credits

It is my intention shortly to expand the Credits (as others have done in the past) so that it is in fact a list of credits from the album sleeve covers rather than just a list of current 'band members' (I will however clearly list the band and guests separately). This is an entry on a particular album rather than on the band. The music could only be what it is as a result of the contribution of all those musicians both band and guest. Can anyone tell me why there is a problem with and accurate and sourced credits listing here? I will consider any objections in making the reversion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Objective Hack (talk • contribs) 00:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

I can't imagine that there would be a problem with you creating those credits. Just don't mind if someone comes along behind you and does some formatting or cleaning. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 01:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. Formatting improvements are fine with me. Sorry for making an 'unsigned' comment - I had assumed that all one had to do was be logged in to be recognised. Objective Hack ^{T • @ • C} 01:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Once more I have had to add info on supporting musicians and it was almost instantly removed. I have to ask why. I understand that there is a distinction between formal band members and additional contributions to an album, and reflecting that, I re-inserted the info under a new sub-heading. Why is information that is accurate and taken from the same source as the band members (the album booklet) removed with such zeal by (most recently) DigitalNinja? Are we pretending that Evanenscence is some old-fashioned guitar-and-drums only band? I will add info soon once DigitalNinja has had a chance to address my questions. Objective Hack ^{T • @ • C} 01:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Please relax, I corrected the issue with my popups program and it no longer recognizes your changes as vandalism. Thank you. Digital^Ninja 03:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry for the terseness of my comment - it seems that a person or persons in the past have been dogged in this matter. I will get onto it soon and try to replicate standard formats (and remember to log in to make changes).Objective Hack ^{T • @ • C} 02:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

As time has progressed, it has made more and more sense to limit these Personnel sections to people or groups actually performing on the album that can be recognised, such as the band and choir, rather than adding programmers and arrangements. In my mind, and I discussed with another editor or two, these simply aren't notable in the wide scheme of things, and face it, we aren't out to credit everyone on the album, just to present major components. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 06:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Interestingly complete credits sourced from sleeve notes are now an established part of this page and yet somebody keep removing references (from same sleeve notes) to DJ Lethal. One can only imagine that it has something to do with the silly conflict on this page regarding genre (since DJ Lethel complicates that a bit) but it is a pity that an argument of cultural interpretations is getting in the way of the listing of documented facts. This talk page comment will have to suffice for the sake of recording accurate information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.140.102 (talk) 01:38, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Facts

Amy Lee herself announced in the concert in Ottawa, Ontario that the third single from the album will be "All That I'm Living For". -i took this down because you cant use that as a source, unless its from EvThreads.com or Evanescence.com, ok? - maybe it could be up if it said "All that im living for is RUMOURED to be the next single"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zacanescence (talk • contribs) 22:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

As I believe I said elsewhere, Evanescence.com is good, as is a news article or other citable, official source. EvThreads is not okay, unless it is specifically posted by Amy Lee or another band member. Usually she's pretty good about these big anoucements, but only time will tell. Also, we aren't supposed to be dealing in rumours...would you find rumours in a traditional encyclopaedia? So leave them out. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 07:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

ok, good point (and yes i meant the EvThreads posts that are ONLY BY Amy Lee) thanks

Album sales

the link to the united world chart doesn't really give any indications to how many units were sold, so I don't see how its really credible. unless I'm just navigating the page incorrectly, its not there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The no erz (talk • contribs) 08:27, 22 April 2007 (UTC).[[[User:The no erz|The no erz]] 08:28, 22 April 2007 (UTC)]

Okay, the mediatraffic.de archives — the 2006 bestsellers list, plus the figures for weeks two to twelve of 2007 (the figure for week one is, for some reason, included in the 2006 total) — indicate that the album had sold around 3.63 million copies worldwide by March 24 (this is during its time on the United World Chart - apparently for one week during that period it was absent from the chart). I gather from reading various internet forums that, once an album drops off the chart, the only places where up-to-date, weekly sales figures can be accessed are unreliable sources such as .tk websites and message board posts. Further, there seems to be some widely held belief among users of these message boards that mediatraffic.de only compiles sales figures from 92.5% of music markets, so the extra 7.5% has to be added on as an approximation, but the mediatraffic.de website says nothing about this.

Even if we were to believe such sources, however, they report that The Open Door has sold about 4.39 million copies at most - not exactly "[a]lmost 5 million", as the article previously stated, and nowhere near six million, which is what some editors seem to believe. Extraordinary Machine 12:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Given that you can at least verify greater than four million sold worldwide, I'm adding to the opening paragraph to reflect this (in place of the five million you removed). -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 18:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

For anyone that will edit the article: The Open Door has only sell around of 4.1 millions copies. No more, no less. No public fake information. If you have dude about the numbers go to EvThreads.com, Press Room, to the threads of the sales of Evanescence. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.55.136.163 (talk • contribs) 22:56, 8 September 2007

If you can provide a valid citation (news, press release, etc), that will be appreciated and will back up the statement even more. As it stands, it is difficult to argue one side or another, because everything is based on conjecture and estimates. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 04:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Acording to worldwidealbums.net Evanescence sold more than 4.600.000 copies ImaginaryVoncroy (talk) 04:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

The site also says that their data are simply estimates based on data from Mediatraffic.de with some additional figures factored in. Basically, it is original research on their side, which makes it doubly less acceptable for Wikipedia. Also, that 4.6 mil figure is a "fudge factor", meaning it represents a theoretical maximum number of units sold, not the actual number (simply the minimum + 7.5%). — Huntster (t • @ • c) 16:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, but even the Mediatraffic.de give us only an estimate, not the real number - it's impossible to get the concrete number of sales, so in that terms not even the "united world chart" is a real number... ImaginaryVoncroy (talk) 02:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Verification of Tracks.

As I noted on the page, According to Gracenote in Winamp 5.5, there is a song called Liquid Blue, listed as Track 17. Can someone confirm or deny this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TSDZoomerX (talk • contribs) 23:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

There's no veracity in this claim. As I recall, Gracenotes can be added to by anyone through WinAmp interface, so this cannot be treated as anything approaching truth. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 08:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Liquid blue is NOT an Evanescence song. Some girl on MySpace recorded that and said it was by evanescence to get people to listen to her music. Liquid Blue was released a long time ago and this fight has been faught before. It's not an Evanescence song. Believe me, I know everything about them, so get that through your head its not an evanescence song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.75.156 (talk) 22:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Certainly no need to get angry and attack someone for asking an honest question... -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 23:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Troll

24.139.100.151, despite all the warnings, keeps adding Nu metal to the genres infobox. Can someone with permission do something to block his IP? I am really tired of reverting his s**t. Roxor - 195.29.96.224 ^C 00:00, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

LOL, i'm not the one who's adding nu metal but amy said herself that evanescence actually plays nu metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.51.52.78 (talk) 03:02, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Umm, no... definitely. - 89.164.28.30 (talk) 08:03, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Nu metal?

Are you kidding me???Nu metal?????Are you still think that Allmusic is a reliable source?.... Just learn about the characteristics of Nu metal and listen to The Open door's songs.This is the most safe way.You've putted gothic rock by Allmusic now it's gone it was wrong too yeah but come on!You always edit silly things...It's supposed that Wikipedia must be an encyclopedia but no one can learn something from Wikipedia if everyone does whatever he likes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dionusis (talk • contribs) 15:58, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia, but it's an Encycolpedia which ideally only holds previously published information from other sources. And yes, it can be edited by anyone, as is the nature of a Wiki. If a published source says that this album is classified as Nu Metal (as the review of Stephen Thomas Erlewine says) then we can't argue because that is what a published source said and that's what Wikipedia itself publishes. We can, however, choose whether it or something better deserves to be included. If we find a better source (perhaps the one you mentioned which once said Gothic Metal) and consensus results in a change then that genre will be published here. The bottom line is that opinion is (or should be) non-existent on Wikipedia, but you can be bold yourself and find another source for a different genre you wish to add here. That will certainly help the article, as I assume is your cause. Good luck, and happy editing. =D ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 17:58, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I have seen how many genres that album has changed.At the beggining I was trying to understand better the genre of this album but I realized that this is rediculus...All the genres posted here were by a "reliable" source and all were erased so I think that the "reliable" sources must be characterized more carefully. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.2.244 (talk) 22:56, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok look,it's easy to understand the genre if you know something about music and The Open Door is definitely not Nu Metal it is just Alternative Metal.But anyway an Encyclopedia can't work like that so I will recommend to mark the reliable sources more carefully. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Usernit (talk • contribs) 01:38, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

first of all, the cd can so be classified as nu metal, but i read the allmusic review and it doesnt say that the album is nu metal, it says that amy lee sings nu metal, more specifically, it says that amy lee is the thinking mans nu metal chick, bu anywho, the review states that the album is goth rock, so im gona change the genre, if anyone disagrees, then tell me without insulting me please -_- thx ;D 24.139.117.90 (talk) 00:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the review says that Amy Lee is Nu-Metal and not Going Under. However, the review says that it is "epic gothic rock", a genre that's simply made up by the review. He goes on to say that is not the same as "goth rock". Since the source specifically rules out "goth rock" and "nu-metal" only refers to the singer and not the album, the entire reference should therefore be scrapped. And no need for insults on Wikipedia. Your help is definitely appreciated! =D ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 01:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

dammit you got a point there :/, but yea i totally agree, its just that i hate to see the album classified as just alternative metal, and the goth element in evanescence's albums could never be ruled out, but its just so hard to find a good source >:/ oh well, guess ill have to try harder finding good sources 24.139.117.90 (talk) 18:30, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

hey, i just noticed that well obviusly "epic gothic rock" is not a genre itself, but epic serves as an adjctive, its like calling the album epic alternative metal, its not a genre but the"epic" works as an adjective, and while the reviewer says that gothic and goth rock arent the same, in the eyes of wikipedia, gothic ans goth rock are the same, and gothic rock redirects to the goth rock page, or backwards, but anywho, i think that if you look at it that way you'll see that amg would be a good reference for the gothic rock tag on wikipedia, know, im not gona list it until i get permision or until im proven wrong. 24.139.117.90 (talk) 02:47, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

"goth rock" is the same as "gothic rock". And since allmusic specifically says that "epic gothic rock" is not "goth rock", this means they are considering "epic gothic rock" as its own genre, not "gothic rock" with an adjective. I still see that source as being completely useless except for "pop/rock" listed at the left as the genre--which is too generic. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 03:28, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

i still think its a good source, but wtv, alt-metal is good, i must admit that it doesnt describe every single song onn the album, but its good enough. 24.139.117.90 (talk) 21:58, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I told you allmusic is not a good source,they write whatever they want...:D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.39.20 (talk) 22:43, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Album charts possisions that arent listed

frankly id add these but im not familiar with editing the chart sections without screwing it, so here are the chart possisions and theyre referenced in the evanescence profile page in billboard in the chart history section: tastemaker albums -> 3, rock albums -->1, digital albums -->1...and well thats it,this is the references

http://www.billboard.com/#/artist/evanescence/chart-history/510526?f=408&g=Albums, http://www.billboard.com/#/artist/evanescence/chart-history/510526?f=400&g=Albums, http://www.billboard.com/#/artist/evanescence/chart-history/510526?f=407&g=Albums, http://www.billboard.com/#/artist/evanescence/chart-history/510526?f=332&g=Albums <-36 catalog albums please add these to the article, im pretty sure its relevant 24.139.117.90 (talk) 01:21, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Added Rock Albums and Digital Albums. Catalog Albums is redundant to Billboard 200, and the Tastemaker Albums chart is extremely subjective and really shouldn't be included here. Thanks for pointing these out! — Huntster (t @ c) 02:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

GOTHIC Rock?

Evanescence is NOT a gothic rock band. They are simply and alt. rock/metal. For a list of REAL Gothic bands go here: http://www.ultimategothguide.blogspot.com/p/great-big-list-of-goth-bands.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.244.232 (talk) 23:01, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Peer review

As soon as I get something on the self-titled album, I'm going to get this reviewed to see what needs done on it. Looks pretty solid at the moment, but I'll check back in the future. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 22:41, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

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GA nomination

After a considerable amount of work I've put into it, I am nominating this article for good article status. I predict that by the time this gets reviewed, I will be done with my school's track season, and I will have much more time to handle this type of thing outside of weekends. I changed my mind about the peer review thing. I think everything has been covered that could possibly be done. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 16:45, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Cartoon network freak (talk · contribs) 19:58, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Coming soon... Best regards, Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:58, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Lead

• by the American rock band → remove overfluous "the"
• It was first released in Poland on September 25, 2006, through Wind-up Records and subsequently in more than 20 countries worldwide → In the lead, it is not important to know in which countries it was released, so please summarize to "It was released on September 25, 2006 through Wind-up Records".
• The release date, which was originally intended to be in March 2006, was changed because of guitarist → The initial date for the record to be made available for purchase was in March 2006, but was changed as a result of guitarist
• In the first few sentences of the first paragraph, you repeat yourself with "band" too often
• previous musical styles, which include → previous music styles, including
• and were produced by → while production was handled by
• Please alternate "album/s" with "record/s" or the effort's name
• Link "music critics" to music journalism
• of the band's sound → regarding the band's sound
• Word repetition again with "band" and "album"
• won the category → won in the category
• platinum → Platinum
• just over a month after its release, and has since sold more than five million copies worldwide and has been certified in over fifteen worldwide markets. → one month after its release and has since sold more than five million copies worldwide. (Info about 15 other certs is overfluous for the lead)
• it was released as a CD single on September 27 → This is clearly overfluous for the lead.
• Try to alternate "released" with "was made available for purchase"
• including The Open Door Tour and the later Evanescence Tour. → Remove "including" and "the later"

Infobox

• Image needs alternative text
• Shows no other problems ;)

Background, titling and artwork

• Change title of the subtopic into "Background, title and artwork"
• During an interview with MTV News, Lee said Evanescence would begin writing for the album in March 2004 after finishing its tour in support of Fallen → During an interview with MTV News, Lee revealed that Evanescence would being writing material for an upcoming studio album in March 2004 after finishing their tour in support of Fallen.
• She said it was → She further explained it was
• She also said the band would assemble to record the new material.[3] Amy Lee told fans about the new album in a post on an unofficial Evanescence site, EvBoard.com. → While saying the group would assemble to record new material, Lee announced the release of The Open Door to her fans during a post on an unofficial Evanescence website, EvBoard.com.
• departure and the loss → departure, and the loss
• Lee said on a fan's internet forum the new album would be completed in March 2006; the release was postponed because "Wind-up Records ... wanted to make a few changes to the upcoming single "Call Me When You're Sober". → Echoing this thought, Lee confessed on a fan's internet forum that the upcoming record would be postponed and completed in March 2006, reportedly because "Wind-up Records [...] wanted to make a few changes to the upcoming single "Call Me When You're Sober".
• Lee stated: → the singer stated;
• Too often "album"
• Don't make an extra paragraph for "In an interview with MTV News, Lee said about the album's title:" → : → ;
• Don't use blockquote the second time as it's too less text
• Lee also said → The singer also felt
• The album's artwork shows Lee in front of an open door.[9] Simon Cosyns of The Sun said the artwork "keeps the dark Evanescence image intact, with sinister fairytale scenes, elaborate Victorian gothic arches, illuminated typography and elaborate flowing dresses" → Simon Cosyns of The Sun labelled the record's artwok—which sees Lee in front of an open door—as "[keeping]] the dark..."
• praised the artwork calling it → also praised the cover sleeve, calling it

Writing and recording

• The new songs → What do you mean by this?
• Amy Lee → please no full names
• Lee wrote "Like You", "Lithium" and "Good Enough" alone and she co-wrote "All That I'm Living For" with guitarist John LeCompt → Lee solely wrote XY, and co-rote XY with guitarist...
• Lee said after → The singer confessed that after
• Lee said, "He's a → Regarding this, Lee said, "He's a
• Lee told The Sun → The singer further told The Sun
• ... → [...] for all two instances
• She said the making of the album → Lee went on explaining that the making of the album
• Jeremy Parker did → Jeremy Parker handled
• worked as an additional engineers → served as additional engineers
• mastered the album → mastered the record (word repetition)
• Amy Lee → No full names!
• California. The choir and strings were recorded → California, with the choir and strings being recorded
• and on "All That I'm Living For" → Remove overfluous "on"

Music

Musical style

• Lee told Rolling Stone the album would be "a complete spectrum of darkness and scary stuff and emotion".[16] She told The Washington Post: → While Lee said in an interview with Rolling Stone that the album would be "a...", she told The Washington News;
• Lee told MTV News, → Lee further confessed to MTV News,
• lyrics are mostly about → lyrics mostly delve on
• She said in comparison with Fallen → When comparing the songs with the material from the group's previous album Fallen, she felt
• she drew further inspiration from the → the sound of the record was inspired by the
• of Daily News said, → of Daily News explained,
• Farber said → Farber further said
• The Sydney Morning Herald said → ...felt
• and describing the lyrics → while describing the lyrics
• Entertainment Weekly said → ... wrote
• are similar to the band's songs → Remove "songs" and add year of release in brackets to each of the songs
• Billboard magazine → remove "magazine"

Songs and lyrics

• string section, according → remove comma
• the protagonist in the song → the song's protagonist
• pop and metal, according → comma is overfluous
• set comma after "opening lines"
• This section overly uses the word "song" which sis irritant when reading. Please take this section sentence by sentence to alternate wording
• the protagonist sings about → Lee sings about
• wrote its on a guitar → wrote it on a guitar
• 16 years old; the guitar was later changed → 16 years old, but the instrument was later changed
• break-up, present in the lines → break-up, which is expressed in the lines,
• She said, "My privacy → Echoing this thought, the singer explained, "My privacy
• It uses several → Musically, it uses several
• It includes a 22-piece → It additionally includes a 22-piece
• Campbell and background → Campbell, and background
• symphonic string section → a symphonic string section
• a haunting choir. The choir backing track → a haunting choir. Its vocals
• Amy Lee's deceased sister → no full names!
• Lee said, "I can't → Concerning this, the singer said, "I can't
• similarities between "Like You" → similarities between the track
• the My Chemical Romance song "Helena" → American rock band My Chemical Romance's song "Helena" (2005)
• loud guitar; it contains → loud guitar and contains
• Portishead . The → set full stop correctly
• "Tuna Afternoon"; it is about → "Tuna Afternoon" and lyrically delves on
• She was inspired to write → You've already used "inspired" before
• provide its instrumentation;[25] while Lee sings about God, according → provide the track's instrumentation, while Lee sings about God according
• process, which is present on the first line "I can → process, which is showcased in the opening line, "I can
• It contains "power chords", elements of electronica, abrasive guitars and Lee's vocals. → The track contains...(leave out Lee's vocals as it's overfluous)
• was written by Lee; it was placed at the end of the album because it symbolizes its themes and those of Lee's life. → was solely written by Lee, and was placed at the end of the album for symbolizing its themes and those of the singer's life.
• It features a string section and resembles → While featuring a string section, it resembles
• Josh Hartzler is married to Lee since 2007! + Unlink him

What matters here is that they weren't married yet, and I was referring to what their status was at the time of the album's production and release. They got married after the album came out. I feel it's more appropriate to list the status as it was during the album's prime. I have delinked him though.

Release and promotion

• The Open Door was released worldwide; its first release was in Poland on September 25, 2006, Japan on September 27, Ireland and Germany on September 29, Australia on September 30, the rest of Europe on October 2, 2006, and North America and Argentina on October 3. → Released worldwide, The Open Door was first made available for purchase in Poland on September 25, 2008 and in Japan on September 27, which was the followed by the record's premiere in Ireland and Germany on September 29, in Australia on September 30, in the rest of Europe on October 2, 2006, and North America and Argentina on October 3.
• 2006, on → remove comma
• The pre-order → Its pre-order
• interview with Amy Lee → no full names please!
• B-side track on the "Lithium" single → B-side track for the single release of "Lithium"
• The section here is mostly unreferenced

Singles

• July 31, 2006, before a wider release the following week → July 31, 2006 that preceded a wider availability the following week.
• The full version of "Call Me When You're Sober" had been leaked to the Internet two days before its planned officially released to radio airplay; after this occurred, the record label allowed radio stations to play the song. → Although the track leaked onto the Internet two days before its scheduled release to radio airplay, (name of record label) allowed stations to play the song.

I felt like this suggestion was missing something, do you like how I wrote this one? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 16:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

• It was made available → Subsequently, the recording was made available
• U.S. → US
• number five → at number five
• number four → at number four
• platinum → Platinum
• on February 17, 2009 → overfluous date for the album article
• gold → Gold
• released in the UK → write UK out please
• It charted elsewhere, peaking → Commercially, it peaked
• number 32 → at number 32
• The third single → The record's third single
• instead released "Sweet Sacrifice" as the next single from the album → released "Sweet Sacrifice" instead.
• Which top did it enter in Germany, Turkey? (top 20, top 40?)

I don't have the reference for Turkey, and I'm guessing the person who wrote the majority of this didn't originally have it either, otherwise I think it'd have been there. There is nothing I can do about this except update Germany's and America's, and I would find it inconsistent and strange to have these two but not the third. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 16:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

• Though "Lithium" and "Sweet Sacrifice" charted in the top 40 at rock radio, neither charted on the Billboard Hot 100. → Although "Lithium" and "Sweet Sacrifice" charted within the top 40 on the United States' rock component chart, both failed to reach the Billboard Hot 100.

Other notable songs

• in Colombia only → only in Colombia
• was released as a free digital → was made available (word repetition)
• Lee said, "I am → Echoing this thought, Lee explained, "I am
• The song was released as a digital download on February 23, 2010 → This information is overfluous and confuses the reader

I'd include it in its own article, but it doesn't have one. Thus I've decided to keep it, but it I have made it so it does not confuse the reader. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

• it peaked at → The recording peaked at

If I keep the prior sentence, this should not be a problem. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

• Amy Lee said → no full names please!
• The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.[13] She also said the film's producers had offered her a small role; she said, "They were like, → The..., where its producers had offered her a small role; regarding this, the singer expressed,
• She later said the album track → It was later also revealed that the album
• Another song was written for the film but was rejected from the album because of its dark sound. → Reportedly, another track was completed for the movie, but was rejected due to its dark sound.

Tour

• The Open Door world tour → Isn't the tour's name like The Open Door World Tour?
• 2006, in Toronto → remove comma
• December 15, 2006, in → remove comma
• 2007, when the band played in Canada, Japan, and Australia → 2007, and consisted of appearances in Canada, Japan and Australia
• When playing in the U.S., the band was supported by Revelation Theory; in Canada by Stone Sour and The Black Maria, and in Australia by Shihad → When performing in the United States, Canada and Australia, Evanescence was supported by Revelation Theory, Stone Sour and The Black Maria, and Shihad, respectively.
• The second leg of the tour began → The tour's second leg commenced
• 2007, in → remove comma
• in Fresno, California. The tour continued through the U.S → in Fresno, California, and continued in America
• back to the U.S. → write U.S. out
• At U.S. gigs → At gigs in the United States
• During part of the European section → While being in Europe

I can do even better than that... dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:28, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

• After Family Values, the band continued → Subsequently, the band continued
• the U.S. → America

Since we make reference to South America here, shouldn't we either write out United States or put North America? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:28, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

• 23, 2007, in → remove comma
• of the final leg of the tour → of the tour's final leg
• "Missing", and → "Missing" and
• I'm not sure if all the assertations are referenced here

Critical reception

• Link "music critics" to music journalism
• 100 to reviews → Remove "to"
• Ed Thompson said, → Ed Thompson felt,
• Ben Moody's exit → Never use full name of a person in an article's body
• did not miss the beat → This is not encyclopedia language; is this what the reviewer literally said?
• much more ... When → much more [...] When
• He also said the "best songs → Additionally, he added that the "best songs
• the creepiest".[26] Sheffield finished his review by saying, "Obviously, → the creepiest", and concluded; "Obviously,
• said the album is " ... more → explained the record is "more
• gave a positive review saying → gave a positive review, confessing,
• stars out of five and said, → stars out of five and felt
• sardonic ... but → sardonic [...] but
• Rating box > Allmusic → AllMusic
• Allmusic → same as above
• said, "The Open Door → wrote that "The Open Door
• Sara Berry said → Sara Berry explained that
• She also said the sound → She also added that the sound
• of Christianity Today said, "The sound → of Christianity Today confessed that "the sound
• car crash ... Musically → car crash [...] Musically
• on the album. He also said → on the record. He further explained
• Evanonsense".[77] Sterdan also said, "some door[s] are better off staying closed". → Evanosense", and concluded; "some door[s]..."
• Album of the Year.[83] The album won → Album of the Year, and won
• "Sweet Sacrifice" received a nominations in the category for → One of the songs on the album, "Sweet Sacrifice", was nominated for

Commercial performance

• Switzerland. It charted in the top five → Switzerland, and charted within the top five
• U.S. Billboard 200 chart → US Billboard 200
• It also debuted at number one → Additionally, the record opened at the top position
• on the Rock Albums chart and at number two on the Digital Albums. → on the Rock Albums and Digital Albums component charts. (Why is the Digital Chart not included in "Charts"?)
• In two weeks on the U.S. charts, the album sold approximately 725,000 copies, and on November 8, 2006, it was certified platinum by the RIAA more than a month after its wide release. → Two weeks after its availability in the United States, the album sold approximately 725,000 copies, and was initially certified Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) on November 8, 2006. (we don't really need the "one month" thing here.)
• 38th best-selling album of 2006 in the U.S.; it was the 52nd best-selling album for 2007. → 38th best-selling album of 2006 in America, and the 52nd for 2007.
• Double-platinum certification by the Recording Industry Association of America was awarded on June 24, 2009 → As of June 24, 2009, the record was awarded with a double Platinum certification by the RIAA.
• the UK's 81st best-selling → United Kingdom's 81st best-selling
• In Canada, the album debuted at number two, selling over 43,000 copies in its first week. It was later certified → In Canada, The Open Door opened at number two with 43,000 units sold, and was later certified
• numbers one and two respectively. → number one and two, respectively.
• It was later certified twice-platinum by the ARIA and platinum by the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand. → It was similarly certified double Platinum by the Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) and Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand (RIANZ).
• two million copies in the U.S.; by October 11, 2011, it had sold over 2.1 million copies there and additional two million copies worldwide. → two million copies in the United States. As of October 2011, total sales in that territory have been brought to 2.1 million units, and an additional of two million copies worldwide.

Track listing

• All songs produced by Dave Fortman. → No need to use a "*" list
• Unlink "Amy Lee" and remember that you should never use a person's full name in an article's body
• During an interview with Metal Edge Lee confirmed that several outtakes including "The Last Song I'm Wasting on You" (which appeared as a B-side to "Lithium"), "If You Don't Mind" and "Together Again" were made for the album. → During an interview with Metal Edge, Lee confirmed that several outtakes, including for "The Last Song I'm Wasting on You"—which served as a B-side to "Lithium"—"If You Don't Mind" and "Together Again" were made for the album.
• and behind the scenes footage → along respective behind-the-scenes footage
• music CD → Remove "music"

Credits and personnel

• Credits are taken from Allmusic[103] and The Open Door's liner notes. → Credits adapted from AllMusic and the liner notes of The Open Door (place the refs at the end of the sentence).
• A&R → link to Artists and repertoire
• Wiki-link words such as "composer" and "mixing" during their first instance

Charts

• Use "!scope="row" for countries
• Year-end charts > Use Peak</br>position here as well
• Year-end charts > Remove "Charts" from all entries here
• Worldwide Charts → Global Albums (after you have changed this, place this entry in alphabetical order in the list)

Certifications

• flawless ;)

Release history

• Use "!scope="row" for countries please
• Unlink formats and labels

Other stuff

Copy-violation

• 41.2% is quite a bit too much! Look at the sources with the most violation, and try to reword your text.

What would be an ideal value? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 20:04, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: It must be below 30%. Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:41, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Images

• Images perfectly illustrate the article.

Links

• One problem here. Please fix!

Another bad link? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 23:29, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

References

• Besides some comments that I provided, as far as I checked them, the references do cover the assertations made in this article.
• 2 References are dead + ref 105 needs accessdate. Please take a look at this and fix the issues.

I'm sorry, I really have tried to fix these but there's no archive available on WebCite or Wayback, I get 301's on all available attempts. I was going to ask you for what I should do here as it is some relatively necessary information. This can happen easily after six months' waiting for review, and I repaired like six others that died in October before you took this. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 20:07, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: Here some clarification:

• For Ref 100 (Music Week): If no archive can't be found, information related to it must unfortunately be removed
• For Ref 49 (CD WOW): here an archive; archived on 25 April 2012

Comments concerning GA process

@DannyMusicEditor: Are you ready with my comments. Btw, the link I have provided you for the copyviolation was wrong, so I changed it with the right one. Please solve that point. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:59, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I've been a bit busy. I am still working on it and will get more done today, though I can't promise I'll get all of it. I have an exam in Spanish tomorrow so I'll need time to study for that, but other than that I think I'll be okay. I have a viola gig tonight too so that'll take some time. But I'll be fine. I have completed the whole Music section now. All I have to do is finish Release and promotion and I think we will have a GA. Maybe I'll need some copyvio-related paraphrasing as well there. I really did try to reduce it, the one bad source at the top of the list has been reduced significantly; at least full quotes, anyway. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 20:03, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

@Cartoon network freak: All concerns are addressed, I think. Except the charts, which I still haven't completely figured out. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 20:18, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: Gladly passing this! I will do some remaining fine-tuning comments to the article before passing. Best regards and congrats, Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:43, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

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