Talk:Shin-Soo Choo

Latest comment: 2 years ago by Calidum in topic Requested move 14 November 2021

Trade: Official yet?

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It would be beneficial for all of us to discuss this instead of simply reverting over and over until someone gets blocked. AutomaticStrikeout (TC) 02:45, 12 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Per MLB .com it is it was on intentional talk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.65.65.243 (talkcontribs)

It does seem to be official.[1] – Muboshgu (talk) 03:02, 12 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Ok, good. Now maybe we can look into the article naming situation. AutomaticStrikeout (TC) 03:10, 12 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was moved by Y2kcrazyjoker4. --BDD (talk) 19:31, 27 December 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)Reply

Choo Shin-SooShin-Soo ChooDucati748 has twice moved this article to it's current location, a move with which I don't think I agree. His rationale is this: Since he was born in Korea, raised in Korea, and spent most of his life in Korea, his name is CHOO Shin-Soo. Family name appears first for Koreans. eg., http://en.wikipedia.org...) and then his edit summary runs out (Apparently, he also thinks that at least some of us don't know anything). He may be right about the naming business, but it just seems to me that we should title the article with the name we use when talking about the player. I'm not sure about that, maybe policy disagrees with me, but I'd at least like to see it discussed (politely too). AutomaticStrikeout (TC) 04:10, 15 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

NB. I'd suggest WP:RM/TR for moves over hyphen redirects for these 4x articles Cha-Seung Baek, Jae-Kuk Ryu, Jae-Weong Seo, Chan-Ho Park for clarity for American readers and indeed Korean-speakers reading in English, at the moment these names fail WP:PRECISION between 백차승 vs. 차승백 etc. Impossible to tell which is surname without the hyphen that, given baseball context, means it could be either order. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:02, 15 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
I'll let somebody else who understands those a little better handle them. However, I am curious as to what NB stands for? AutomaticStrikeout (TC) 05:15, 15 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Hi, just Nota bene. I've put them in for RM at Talk:Cha Seung Baek. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:16, 15 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Ok, thanks. AutomaticStrikeout (TC) 18:57, 15 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
I've commented on Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean), but honestly I think WikiProject Korea should be at least given a teeny bit of acknowledgement by WP:Baseball here, and vice-versa. The solution above seems livable, the current state of Talk:Cha Seung Baek isn't serving anyone. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:37, 27 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
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Wow. You people (Eurocentrists) are quite amazing. Apparently, you believe the "English" language exists only in NA and Europe. Check this article written in English. [1] That's the only requirement, correct? Any English paper written in East Asia will refer to him Choo Shin-soo. Ducati748 (talk) 03:50, 17 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

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Why is his name in given-name, family-name order in the Hangul version?185.223.162.62 (talk) 04:29, 10 January 2018 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 14 November 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 01:16, 12 December 2021 (UTC)Reply



Shin-Soo ChooShin-soo Choo – To avoid unnecessary capitalization MOS:CAPSSawol (talk) 19:20, 13 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook(talk) 14:13, 22 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. Colonestarrice (talk) 05:24, 5 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:50, 14 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
@162 etc. and SnowFire: Their usage is unnecessary capitalization. All Category:South Korean sportspeople's pages follow the convention with only the first syllable capitalized although many English sources use dual capitalization. After Talk:An Ji-man#Requested move, all Category:South Korean people's pages became to avoid unnecessary capitalization. North Korean people choose to spell their names with something like Chu Sin Su, Kim Jong Un. But English Wikipedia selects Sin-su, Jong-un. Sawol (talk) 18:04, 16 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
As has already been pointed out above, Wikipedia policy is to follow common English-language usage. Consistency does not matter. 162 etc. (talk) 17:24, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'd argue that the other two players you named could also go to RM. Ji-Man Choi was actually moved to Ji-man Choi without discussion by User:Sawol. [2] And consensus at this RM was to use Hyun-Jin Ryu as the article title, but the closer erroneously moved it to Hyun-jin Ryu.[3] 162 etc. (talk) 04:18, 25 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
In the case of Choi's article, it appears that Sawol was simply trying to follow WP:NC-KO, as stated in the explanation for the move. In the case of Ryu's article, the move discussion was primarily dealing with whether his given name or his surname should be first in the article's title; the capitalization issue was not actually discussed, even if the move proposal was made with the J in "Jin" capitalized. I was not a registered editor on Wikipedia at the time when either of those moves were made, but these are the impressions that I get from looking at them now.
That being said, it might make sense to have a discussion on moving those pages as well, but we should probably at least wait until this present discussion is settled first, since it won't make as much sense to discuss moving those pages to capitalized versions if this discussion were to result in this page being moved to the lowercase version. Also, a discussion about those pages would probably have to also include just about all of the articles in the category I previously mentioned, since just about all of them (except for the few without hyphens in their names) would fall under the same type of issue. But based on my understanding of Korean naming conventions, the lowercase versions seem correct for both this article and all of the others. --Zander251 (talk) 05:23, 25 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
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