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Using asterisk (*) in South Korean artists' discographies is not appropriateEdit

Asterisk (*) has been used in many South Korean artists' discographies to denote that a 'record chart' did not exist at that time. But it is actually not an appropriate practice because in multiple occasions songs have charted even on a 'record chart' which started tracking years after the song was released. For example all Blackpink singles since "Ddu-du Ddu-du" have charted on Billboard Global 200 although the chart started tracking in late 2020. Another example would be Aespa's discography. The Vietnam Hot 100 column has been blanked using a note which says "Billboard Vietnam was launched on January 14, 2022." Which is actually contradictory for the fact in the same column "Dreams Come True" which was released in December 2021, has charted on the same said 'record chart'. I just want to say that blanking a column using an asterisk or a note should not be done. But a note on the top, about when a 'record chart' was established or was discontinued, can be added, like in AKMU's discography. -ink&fables «talk» 06:07, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

If it's not the proper format, then I would suggest correcting it to the right format like you mentioned. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 07:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Lee Soon-ok has an RFCEdit

 

Lee Soon-ok has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.

As was suggested to me at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Lee_Soon_Ok, this is to invite participation on the RfC listed above, which I opened. I've copied the text of the RfC below:

Should we include a description of doubts some people have about some of Lee's accounts of North Korean prison camps, such as:

The authenticity of some of Lee's accounts of North Korean prison camps have been questioned by some South Korean researchers and North Korean defectors.

Fiwec81618 (talk) 06:54, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

FAR for USS MissouriEdit

I have nominated USS Missouri (BB-63) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 02:13, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with infobox "Korean name"Edit

Hello everybody,

I am currently working on a draft about a Korean artist living in Germany (it's a translation of my original german article) and struggling a little with the infobox "Korean Name". So, I have an artist here who uses an alias as an artist, but not a stage name, as she does not appear on stage. There seems to be no infobox for general pseudonyms or artist aliases? Here's the draft on Kyung-hwa Choi-ahoi in my sandbox. Could you take a look and suggest a change or change it directly? Her given name is Kyung-hwa Choi, the name she uses as an artist is Kyung-hwa Choi-ahoi.

Also: is anybody working in the Korean Wikipedia as well and might be able to help with a question concerning a redirect?

Thanks in advance! --Grizma (talk) 10:52, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello! Template:Infobox Korean name allows for "other" names that you can define as "Alias" or anything you like. But in this case, I would format the infobox like the example below, where her alias is the default name since that's what she's known by, followed by her birth name. Also I am assuming her birth name is actually 최경화 (with the surname first and spelled 최) and not 경화초이, but feel free to adjust that based on what your sources say. - Lenoresm (talk) 14:59, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Kyung-hwa Choi-ahoi
Hangul
경화 초이-아호이
Revised RomanizationGyeonghwa Choi-Ahoi
McCune–ReischauerKyŏnghwa Choi-Ahoi
Birth name
Hangul
최경화
Revised RomanizationChoe Gyeonghwa
McCune–ReischauerChoe Kyŏnghwa
Perfect,Lenoresm, thanks a lot! Oh, the thing with the first and last name, I checked, 최경화 is correct, thanks for noticing ... Without speaking any corean I just try to get the pictures into an order. ;D Grizma (talk) 17:36, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Transl request for a ref titleEdit

Could someone translate the following article title for me please? 방탄소년단 탄생시킨 방시혁의 아버지 방극윤 전 이사장 "나는 기타 하나 사준 것 밖에 없습니다" -- Carlobunnie (talk) 18:46, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

The headline seems to refer to Bang Si-hyuk's father only having bought him a guitar? - very roughly: "Former chairman Bang Geuk-yoon, father of Bang Si-hyuk who created BTS: "I only bought one guitar"." Abdotorg (talk) 19:17, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
This is the translation: Bang Geuk-yoon, the father of Bang Sihyuk who birthed BTS, said “the only thing I did was buy him a guitar” Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 23:21, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Thank you to you both! -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:00, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Korean Workers' Party Headquarters, CheorwonEdit

I recently created a page dedicated to the Korean Workers' Party Headquarters, Cheorwon tourist attraction in South Korea, but as the original page on the Korean Wikipedia is equally lacking, I was compelled to search for sources myself.

As I have never created a page dedicated to Korea before, it would be appreciated if veteran eyes on the project have a look at it. Thank you. Seloloving (talk) 07:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Korean speaker assistance requestedEdit

Please see this thread at the Milhist project talk. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:36, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Daewoo Electronics#Requested move 20 April 2022Edit

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Daewoo Electronics#Requested move 20 April 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 16:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Notability of Aespa and GOT's Karina and WinterEdit

Because aespa's Karina and Winter are part of another distinct and notable musical group (Got the Beat), should a page be created for them as they hold notability outside of aespa? ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 00:57, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

I definitely don't think that's enough to warrant them having their own articles. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 01:38, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Proposing an Edit to Vanner (group) PageEdit

User script to detect unreliable sourcesEdit

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

  • John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Could someone help me find reliable sources on Binggrae's history, slogans, and awards?Edit

Binggrae is a very famous company in Korea (maker of Banana Milk [바나나 맛 우유]) and I've submitted it to be an article (I'm surprised why it isn't an article already). However due to seeing how strict the people who approve of article drafts are, I'm beginning to think that it will be declined. I want to buff it up with a lot of sources but I weirdly can't find much even on Naver. Here's the draft --> Draft:Binggrae. Also, If you're an extended confirmed user and in the wiki project for looking at afcs, please consider looking at it.
Haiiya (talk) 02:44, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Alright, I'm an idiot. I didn't know I could create articles without submitting it into the wizard (im autoconfirmed). So we're good! Haiiya (talk) 06:15, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Joseon Army and Joseon NavyEdit

Some of the information I gathered for these pages was from the Korean websites I translated using Google Translate. I need to know if I properly translated them right. I also need help with the way I put citations on these pages. I also need more information, references, and citations for the Japanese Occupation of Gyeongbokgung Palace article. Koreanidentity10000 (talk) 22:35, 18 May 2022 (EST)

Labels in member_of parameterEdit

Are collective titles such as "YG Family", "SMTown", "JYP Nation" etc. necessary in spinoffs and member_of parameters? They aren't official groups and are just terms used by labels to refer to their own artists. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 21:04, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

I would say remove it as they don't fall under spinoffs or current_member_of or past_member_of. Neither is including it in spinoff_of the correct usage. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 13:00, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
SMTown has released albums as a collective. This is also something I'm having trouble with regarding Hello! Project, who's been known to mix up groups and create similarly inspired groups. lullabying (talk) 20:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Paldo Bibim Men#Requested move 21 May 2022Edit

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Paldo Bibim Men#Requested move 21 May 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:17, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Jo In-sung#Requested move 23 May 2022Edit

An editor has requested for Jo In-sung to be moved to Zo In-sung. Since you had some involvement with Jo In-sung, you might want to participate in the move discussion (if you have not already done so). Tempjrds (talk) 01:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Reliable sources listEdit

Can I propose Segye Ilbo to be on the unreliable sources list? It's owned by the unification church (variously described as a cult), and while it may have factual information, religious and political articles could potentially be skewed. Haiiya (talk) (contribs) 02:48, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

A vast majority of media companies in South Korea are conservative. A "potential" skew alone is not sufficient to be deemed unreliable, especially without evidence. plicit 12:59, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
@Explicit This has nothing to do with conservatism. It is the concern that it is owned by the Unification church. Could it at least have a warning of caution?Haiiya (talk) (contribs) 03:31, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Given that there's about 300 citations to it, we should probably say something at Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources (it is not mentioned at all currently). E.g. a note similar to the last sentence of Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#The Washington Times. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 04:20, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

KBO League AFDsEdit

Hi. Please see AFDs here here here here here and here on KBO League players. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

SNSD salesEdit

I would like further input about claimed sales for SNSD. Two articles say that SNSD sold 100 million records,[1][2] however upon stumbling on this forum: Https://onehallyu.com/topic/558147-girls-generationsnsd-a-complete-data-record-sales-streams-achievements-more/, it seems to me that its from combining all solo and subgroup sales into one figure. Should it be added to SNSD's wiki page and/or List of best-selling girl groups?

References

  1. ^ Washington, Jasmine (December 14, 2021). "The 15 Best K-Pop Bands You Need to Be Listening to RN". Seventeen. Retrieved June 7, 2022.
  2. ^ Nyugen Le, Diem (May 25, 2022). "Who's the richest member of Girls' Generation? Net worths, ranked – from Taeyeon's solo career and Yoona's collab with Miu Miu, to Jessica Jung's business success". South China Morning Post. Retrieved June 7, 2022.

ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 05:42, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

I would say no and I would be really dubious of any sales figures originating from OneHallyu. If you read the SCMP article, they actually list their source as Koreaboo, which is obviously not reliable. I expect it's a similar story for Seventeen. Generally speaking, I've observed that many Western media outlets source their information about Korean sales from places like Koreaboo, Allkpop and Wikipedia itself. I think it's probably best to cross-check any claims with Gaon/Korean media sources before adding to articles. Artemisia (talk) 17:53, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
I've also never heard of sales from solo works of group members being combined with group sales. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 18:01, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
This reminds me very much of the case with Bigbang's claimed sales. I wouldn't take the word of any of those sources. Seventeen would not be considered a top tier source to support album sales, and the SCMP article is obv unreliable as has already been pointed out. Also, sub-unit and solo sales shouldn't be combined and considered as sales of the main act, because they simply are not. Otherwise Exo's sales would be way inflated, as would the sales of every other group whose ever had subunits and soloists derived from it. We don't combine individual awards received, so why would we sales? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 21:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

TXT MV creditsEdit

Does anyone have copies of any (or all) of TXT's albums, and can tell me if there are any video credits for the songs in them? An editor told me awhile back that other artists have in theirs, so it's possible for TXT too, but I haven't had much luck finding booklet scans online. If not, does anyone know of anywhere scans have been uploaded that I could check? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 18:37, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Posthumous name sections in articles of monarchsEdit

Is there any reason to keep a separate section for a monarch's full posthumous name? A few examples:

These sections don't add anything useful that would already be in the infobox instead. --*Fehufangą (✉ Talk · ✎ Contribs) 03:57, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

I would just suggest removing it all. It's not informative for the article. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 04:29, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
I have removed some of those sections. --*Fehufangą (✉ Talk · ✎ Contribs) 03:18, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Help in translationEdit

Hi, I'm creating an article about Taekwondo and my best possible source is in Korean. I would try online translation but this is a picture/PDF and online translators do not help. Can someone help me? I promise it's just few lines and won't take long. thanks a lot in advance. Sports2021 (talk) 22:38, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

What lines do you need translated? Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 00:41, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
@Btspurplegalaxy: Thanks, that's about this PDF file only interested in first 4 pages which includes 1980 Asian Taekwondo Championship results. I try to make a list of medalists here User:Sports2021/sandbox but few things don't add up. most of non-Korean names are in English, that's no problem. but I need someone to double check all 10 Korean medalists to make sure if they are correct (I believe they are all correct but need a confirmation) but I'm also intersted in "Light middleweight" and "Light heavyweight" medalists. in page 2 (Light middleweight section) I can see the word Brunei but at the end it shows only 3 medalists, I think someone from Brunei won the 2nd bronze medal. (apparently the Korean athlete beat someone from Brunei in the SF) the problem is with Light heavyweight results (also in Page 2) I can see only 2 medalists here (gold and silver) but the article mentions another name "Liu Chien-chung" I assume there was a 3rd athlete in this weight who probably took the bronze. I need someone to help me out with these suggestions. Thanks a lot in advance. Sports2021 (talk) 20:23, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
@Btspurplegalaxy: To make it easier, can you or somebody else translate this picture ? specially the first 2 or 3 lines. Sports2021 (talk) 11:32, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
This is the whole translation: Korean representative Jung Chan had a TKO win against the People’s Republic of China representative Liu Chien-Chung in a regular fight, got a bye in the semifinal round because the other player forfeited and met with Jordan’s Khdair Dueulan Kassem in the final match. He used his skills to his fullest capacity and though it seemed that he was feeling handicapped, there was a difference in his foundational basic skills with the other side that he was able to get his 3rd gold medal win. He was able to get his 3rd gold medal through a judgment call. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 17:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
@Btspurplegalaxy: Thanks A LOT for your answer I really appreciate it. just one last time. can you translate this one too. I'm mostly interested in the first part of it. Sports2021 (talk) 21:18, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
<Light Middleweight Battle>
Korea national player, Il-nam Oh, faced the Singaporean player in the qualifiers and won with a TKO in the first round. He led the semifinal like a cat playing with a rat and earned an automatic win against the Brunei player. After such a quick climb to the finals, he faced player Wang-Chi-Chad from Free China and secured his second gold medal with an out-point victory.
First place Il-nam Oh (Korea)
Second place Wang Chi-Chad (Free China)
Third place Khalf Ibrahim Najeh (Jordan) Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 02:06, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
@Btspurplegalaxy: Thanks a lot. Sports2021 (talk) 11:52, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Requesting comment to determine source reliabilityEdit

I started a discussion here to determine whether Hello Asia is a reliable source or not for articles related to WikiProject Korea. Editors who are interested in the discussion are invited to voice their opinion on the talk page. Lulusword (talk) 03:42, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Looking through the website, I wouldn't really consider it to be any high quality source. It seems like any other K-pop website that updates on Korean industry. It reminds me of AllKpop, Koreaboo, and Soompi. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 08:40, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Aging_of_South_Korea#Merge_from_Low_birth_rate_in_South_KoreaEdit

Merge needs someone to carry it out. Anyone interested? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:25, 1 July 2022 (UTC)