Talk:Lemmy/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

PROBOT

I removed the reference to Lemmy's appearance on Dave Grohl's PROBOT. Lemmy has made guest appearances with loads of artistes and I don't think this one warrants a particular mention. --Lancevortex 11:54, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

Kilmister or Kilminster?

Can anyone answer this one for sure? -- The Anome 00:10, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC)

Ah. Found a reference: [1] -- but this one says Ian Fraser Kilmister -- now I'm more confused than before. -- The Anome 00:13, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC)

His autobiography says "Ian Fraser Kilmister", just like your source. Will edit article appropriately --Lancevortex 22:55, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The article now leads with the following: Ian "Lemmy" Kilmister (born Ian Fraser Kilminster), thus using both spellings. Does anyone know for sure which it is? 23 June 2006

As above, it's Kilmister. --Lancevortex 14:23, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Kilminster is just a typo. - Deathrocker 15:51, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I am 44 yo and I remember very well that when I was 18 I have red in a magazine that the real name was Kilminster ... so I am surprised to see that the "N" has disapeared... Vegetarian75 09:05, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

With 1,150 hits on Google for "Ian Kilminster" surely the article should acknowledge that this is a common mis-spelling (if that is what it is)? --C Hawke 09:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Big Fun (capture this): (Lemmy is performing a few miles away from me right now as - ahem, nice turn'o'phrase (yawn) - as we speak) "Lemmy von Motörhead" is definitely NOT ze same as "Anything von Beethoven". It just means "Lemmy of [a band called] Motörhead". So please cross it out of the first phrase (although Lemmy might light it) of your article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.143.120.188 (talk) 23:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Kilmister. For reasons stated above, and also that Phil Campbell introduces him as such every night they play. 81.132.57.143 (talk) 08:32, 22 November 2010 (UTC) Alister (UK)

If his name isn't Kilmister, how could his alter-ego be the KillMaster? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.162.219 (talk) 08:56, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Bravewords.com

The article has now been pulled, searches of the site for lemmy now do not bring up the same news story results as a few hours ago. Alf 3 July 2005 22:01 (UTC)

Grohl quote

I've removed this:

Dave Grohl has been quoted as saying: "Fuck Elvis and Keith Richards, Lemmy is the God of Rock 'n' Roll".

as I cannot find any evidence for this quote. Can anyone give a cite? -- Karada 13:45, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Fine with that, looked for it the other day, but searches with elvis... I had to give up. Alf 13:54, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Dave Grohl did indeed say this - it's been quoted in several music magazines and the quote is displayed on the PROBOT main site - http://www.southernlord.com/probot/singer.html <--- scroll down to "Shake Your Blood - Lemmy" . The actual quote is: "Fuck Elvis and Keith Richards, Lemmy's the king of rock 'n' roll" - Adam 20th December 2005 13:01 GMT

Warts

Any extra info on his warts??--87.80.126.226 00:59, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

• I heard a rumour that Lemmy had the warts removed and sold all but one of them on E-Bay. Hamster Sandwich 02:31, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

They're not warts, they're moles -and no, he hasn't had them removed or e-bay'd

Sandwich

Can anyone find any verification on the Sandwich Story so it can be included? It seems to me essential to understanding Lemmy. (Lemmy overhears a couple of kids saying how hungry they are and pulls a lint-covered half a sandwich out of his pocket and gives it to them) El Mariachi 02:11, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

"Lemme a fiver"

I think this assumption is true where his nickname comes from, but it's definitely LEMME a fiver. His name is Lemmy because "lemme" and "lemmy" pronounces exactly the same. But "lend me" in slang is "lemme" with an e at the end. Any objections? Then I will change this. -andy 80.129.97.113 20:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I asked him about this- apparently that story is apocryphal and he has no memory of where the nickname came from. His autobiography states the same thing. Zckls04 06:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I feel silly asking this, but is "fiver" supposed to refer to a high five? If so, I'd like to have a note of that inserted in brackets in the quotation. G Rose 07:51, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

No "fiver" is slang for a five pound noteSeizurebot1011 00:37, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

A fiver is a five pound note. A tenner is a ten pound note. No-one would say "Lemme borrow a fiver", they would just say "Lemme a fiver". I think the word "borrow" in the article is unneccessary and wrong. I am going to remove it 195.153.45.54 11:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

It now says "lemmy [sic] a quid till Friday". This is still vastly more money than the average schoolboy would be lending or borrowing in the 1950s. The on-line cited 'source' says "purportedly", and contains errors anyway. A quid didn't become "change" until the pound coin was introduced in 1983. And "grade school"? Please! Grant (talk) 11:54, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

As his autobiography says, he does not know where the nickname came from, so it is all conjecture. However, as a well-known story, the "lend-me" tale probably should be mentioned - it will only get added back if it is removed.
Average wages in the late 1950s were about £10 per week - probably less on Anglesey as it was a poor area. It is unlikely Lemmy received £1 (10% of the weekly wage) as pocket money, whilst £5 is absurd - I only got 9d in the early/mid 1960s, so a shilling would have been generous in the 1950's, but this is all conjecture.
As using a sum of money raises more questions than it answers, why don't we just say "lemme some money 'til Friday" ?
Arjayay (talk) 16:41, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

The expression "Lemmy a quid til Friday" I think was popularised during his days in Hawkwind. On the 1999 Party CD of the band's 1974 US tour, there are photographs of the crew members wearing a T-shirt with this slogan. I don't think a quid (£1) is excessive for the early 1970s - it was just a joke because he was always trying to borrow money off people. — Drwhawkfan (talk) 12:42, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Anarchist?

The article states: Lemmy collects Nazi memorabilia, and has an Iron Cross encrusted on his bass, which has led to accusations of right-wing extremist tendencies. However Lemmy considers himself to be an anarchist.

Could we have some citation for these two statements and perhaps an elaboration? Cheers. --Anarchodin 08:27, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I've got some sources, and I'll ad some quotes and clarification now. ~Switch ^t 16:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

'Kay, I've done that now. Added two sources just to be safe, and a couple of quotes from Lemmy that clarify a little bit (they're pretty much the standard anarchist fare). Cheers. ~Switch ^t 17:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The Rockin' Vicars

i created a nice little stubly-stub on his first band, if anyone is interested. Joeyramoney 19:17, 23 June 2006 (UTC) ==Film Credits I've added (1988) The decline of western civilazation part 2: The Metal Years to the VHS Credits I don't know how this was missed but I feel it should definately be here Dave

Amplifier

Does Lemmy play through a guitar amp, or did Marshel make bass amps for a short time. I can't seem to find any information on the JMP Superbass II that Lemmy plays.216.124.244.119 21:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Broken Link

The link about Theoretical Origin of the Koopalings' Names is broken - Sick Boy (non registered user) 25 October 2006

Thanks, have removed. Couldn't find another source easily, so if the person who originally found this piece of trivia wants to find another source, good luck ;) Bubba hotep 18:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Devil's Arsehole

Hi all. This doesn't look right to me. Any thoughts?Is this quite right? "Lemmy was born in Devil's Arsehole, Staffordshire and raised in Anglesey, Wales. His father, a clergyman, left the family when Lemmy was three months old." ThanxTheriac 12:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC) devil's arse is cavern in the peak district near bakewell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.244.89 (talk) 19:52, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

It was part of a vandalistic entry which was only partially reverted. It has been fully reverted now. Thanks for spotting that! (P.S. Lemmy may have referred to Burslem as that, I don't know) Bubba hotep 12:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Page five of White Line Fever (One of Lemmy's biographies), the Chapter entitled "Capricorn" begins with;

I started life in Stoke-on-Trent, in the West Midlands of England. Stoke consists of about six towns clustered together. Burslem was the nastiest, so it's only fitting that I was born there.

--Alf ^melmac 13:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Burslem the worst in Stoke? No way, not when compared to Longton :-) ThanxTheriac 13:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

From what I remember, Hanley isn't too hot either. Although the drink is cheap, and the women are... no, let's not go there... :) Bubba hotep 13:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd agree "Hanley isn't too hot either", but it is the better part of the city! "the drink is cheap, and the women are... no, let's not go there... " Yes the the drink is cheap, and I did go there ... and came to regret it :-) Theriac 14:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

DRUGS

It's been stated in the past Lemmy needs to take speed, as per his doctor, for medical reasons. Why isn't this in the article?

Because it's not true? --Lancevortex 23:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Pickups and playing

He uses the bridge pickup exclusively and turns everything on the bass up full.

This seems highly unlikely, as he has put Gibson Thunderbird pickups in the neck position on some of his previous basses. Also, he hits the strings in that area. So I don't understand why someone wrote that. Roda 16:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Wondered about that myself. The "Equipment" section says "some of these instruments were modified with the installation of Gibson Thunderbird pickups in the neck position," then later goes on to say "he uses the bridge pickup exclusively". Why would he modify pickups that he never uses? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 22:09, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Discography

Does this entry actually need to list every Motorhead realease - after all there is a perfectly good Motorhead Discography - surely it only needs to list the non-Motorhead releases. The only way this would be inaccurate is if there was a Motorhead release without Lemmy - which of course is impossible as I am sure he owns the name totally. --C Hawke 12:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Do I take the silence as acceptance? If so when I have a free few minutes I will remove all Motorhead albulms from the list.--C Hawke 10:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

You can take this non-silence as acceptance of just using a decent link to the already quite fine Motorhead discography.--Alf ^melmac 08:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

• A bit late, but I object strongly. If anything's going to be deleted, it should be the un-notable releases and not the Motorhead realeses: his most notable works. What remains is a trivial list of interest only to completists -- and that, as I understand it, is not the focus of WP. The action was plainly taken to simplify updates, and not to satisfy real WP priorities. Isn't there a way to transclude the discography from that page to this? Or have a separate template for transclusion into both articles?--Rfsmit (talk) 00:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Notable instruments

Do Lemmy's notable instruments really include the Minarik bass guitar? I've only ever known the Rickenbacker bass guitar (with slinky strings) for him.--Alf ^melmac 08:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC) If you check out some videos on youtube from the late 80s he is playing a Gibson Thunderbird Bass. Looks good, but a bit strange. Other than that, I've only seen Rickenbackers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.173.0 (talk) 01:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I cant find anything linking Lemmy to the Inferno bass so I removed it, and while he has performed with a Thunderbird it doesnt qualife as a 'notable' instrument for Lemmy... Roger Workman (talk) 17:42, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Call him Lemmy Kilmister?

I honestly think the article should be re-named Lemmy Kilmister since, by and large, that is the name most people agree is his proper stage name. LuvataciousSkull 17:29, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

It was there, before someone decided that most commmon name is preferred. I don't mind where the page is at, as long as it's not me stuck fixing all the redirects after another page move (as usual) :) I think the principal reason is that his given name is not Lemmy Kilmister, it's Ian Kilmister and/or Ian Willis, so Lemmy Kilmister was not correct, as he's better known as just 'Lemmy' leaving here is sensible unless there's a better argument I'm missing.--Alf ^melmac 17:48, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess it may be more a matter of personal preference, then. Most metalheads I know call him Kilmister, and he's credited as that on the Inferno album. The only thing I can think of is possibly a re-direct when people accidentally type in Lemmy Kilmister? LuvataciousSkull 18:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Erm, I'm not sure I know enough metalheads to know what they call him :p Indeed, practically all credits on records are to 'Lemmy Kilmister'. Redirect is in place. By the way, it's nice to have new pair of eyes over the Motorhead material.--Alf ^melmac 19:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Physical Injury

This I am confident about, but I don't know when it happened. Can anyone provide a date?

Lemmy was once injured by a sharpened object (probably a coin) thrown by an irresponsible fan at a gig.

Later (in 1990), he launched a one-page polemic in Kerrang! magazine against the growing violence by fans at rock and metal gigs.

- Meltingpot

Meltingpot 12:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

It happened in Ljubljana, Slovenia (at that time Yugoslavia) on April 27 or 28, 1989. Roda 08:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Discog tidy-up

I've tried tidying the discog section a bit. I'm not too familiar with post-"Ace of Spades" Lemmy, but I think it's now a lot tighter, the only real omission I can immediately think of is the album he guested on for the The Nolans. I've removed the following entries because they should be on the MH discog page:

• 1992 – Hellraiser III: Hell on Earth (Original Soundtrack) – contains "Hellraiser" and "Hell On Earth" by Motörhead
• 1993 – The Damned – Tales From The Damned – (compilation), contains "Over the Top" by Motördam
• 2001 – Twisted Forever – contains "Shoot 'Em Down" by Motörhead
• 2001 – WWE: The Music, Volume 5 – contains "The Game" by Triple H and Motörhead
• 2003 – Ash Wednesday (Original Soundtrack) – contains "Shoot 'Em Down" by Motörhead
• 2004 – Metallica: The Ultimate Tribute Album – contains "Whiplash" by Motörhead
• 2004 – The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie Soundtrack – contains "You'd Better Swim" by Motörhead
• 2006 – WWE Wreckless Intent: King Of Kings – contains "King Of Kings" (Triple H's theme) by Motörhead

Also removed these, as they're duplication – if we included reissues on compilation, I'm sure the list would be massive:

• 2002 – Various artists – Guitar Greats – contains "Tie Your Mother Down" from the Queen tribute album
• 2005 – Skew Siskin – Devil's Disciple (Compilation)

Drwhawkfan 10:33, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Page tidy-up

I formatted the page and moved a bit around, following the layout for a featured article, it makes clearer the weak sections and the strong sections and where we need to look to improve the article. I removed the following trivia, which had been tagged since September, which I couldn't easily place elsewhere in the article.

• In the book The Heroin Diaries: A Year In The Life Of A Shattered Rock Star, Nikki Sixx refers to Lemmy as Lemuel Pillmeister.
• Sid Vicious is said to have asked Lemmy to teach him how to play bass with the words, "I can't play bass." Lemmy's reply was (according to himself) "I know." In another interview Lemmy stated "Yeah. It was all uphill. And he still couldn't play bass when he died, I mean, fucking hell. Well, and everybody knows that, just listen to the Sex Pistols record that he was on, you know, you can tell it's Steve standing in for him. In fact I'm not sure if Sid was ever on the record, I think it was Steve who played bass."
• Lemmy plays the voice of the weapons dealer in the game Scarface: The World Is Yours.
• In the webcomic Achewood Lemmy is referred to as "The Mayor of Drinkin' Island".
• Lemmy will lend his voice to a character known as The Kill Master in the upcoming, heavy metal-influenced action adventure video game Brütal Legend. The name of a character is possibly a pun on his surname Kilmister.

We need to date that Sid Vicious thing, it needs better write up and put into the biography section.--Alf ^melmac 13:26, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Lemmy: Welsh or English?

I know he was born in England but he grew up in Wales; should he be considered English or Welsh? This is always a confusing thing seeing as there is no such thing as either English or Welsh citizenship, only British; Rod Stewart for example had Scottish parents but is considered English because he was born and raised in London. I guess this is gonna raise another argument on how to label anyone as either being English, Scottish, or Welsh. For example, if both of my parents are English but I grew up in Scotland, am I to be considered Scottish or English? However, back to the question at hand; is Lemmy Welsh or English? (I personally say Welsh). 205.246.153.217 (talk) 04:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

One solution is to call him British, another is to go with the flag identification that was on one of Motorhead's tour T-shirts, which (if I recall correctly) had an English flag (for Lemmy), a Welsh flag (for Phil) and a Swedish flag (for Mikkey), but that is on the assumption that Lemmy did actually authorise/want that as self-identification. He doesn't talk with a discernable Welsh accent even though his tender years were spent there. Lemmy himself doesn't seem to ally himself with the British either (does his move to America make him an American? :P) - "I've always liked America because it's ... eager. Whereas the British are resentful. They still haven't gotten over losing India. The British get on my tits all the time." - in a Guardian interview -

The only English kid in a Welsh school, he was bullied and himself became a bully. "We used to have this kid - we'd tie him up and burn him. With matches. I don't know why we did it, probably because he let us and he kept coming back."

although that does only refer directly to him as English when they talking about him in his youth. If both of your parents are English but you grew up in Scotland but were born in France, technically you'd be French, but you would be able to get a British passport, which agrees with my first solution, call him British.--Alf ^melmac 08:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

he is a midlander. born in stoke in the midlands of england. robert plant (led zep) is also a midlander. as is ozzy osbourne. in fact the more you look at it, the more you can see how many of these people are from the midlands of england. and yet.. all you ever here is about manchester (?) or liverpool. rock music has its heart in the midlands of england! BarbarellaTwo (talk) 19:51, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Credits and naming of the article

On Doremi Fasol Latido he is listed as Lemmy the Lurch, and for "The Watcher" credited as I F Kilmister on the sleeve and Lemme Kilmister on the label. On Hall of the Mountain Grill, for "Lost Johnny" he is credited as Kilmister on the sleeve and Ian Kilminster (sic) on the label. On the "Kings of Speed" single, for "Motorhead" he is credited as Ian Kilminster (sic) on the label. On the CD remasters he is credited as Kilminster (sic), but as Ian Kilmister on The 1999 Party (this is the one that has pictures of the roadcrew wearing the "Lemmy a quid till Friday" t-shirts). On all of the Motorhead releases I have (up to Ace of Spades (album)), he is simply credited as Kilmister - I have never seen him receive a writer's credit as Lemmy. I think for his writer's credit on wikipedia, the first entry should list him as Lemmy Kilmister and subsequent entries simply as Kilmister.

For what it's worth, I tend to agree that this article would be better under Lemmy Kilmister - this is an encyclopaedia and simply referring to someone by their nickname seems a little immature to me, and besides, he is often referred to by this name: 367,000 google hits for lemmy kilmister. These issues need to be resolved and agreed upon once and for all, because some editors are understandably growing tired of them going back and forth.

Drwhawkfan (talk) 20:21, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Drwhawkfan, thanks for that, as I mentioned at the top of the page, I was sure I had seen older stuff with "kilminster", but haven't had a chance to delve into the back of the loft to retrieve the vinyl to prove it. As you have, is it worth adding this common miss-spelling to the main entry? --C Hawke (talk) 21:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Excellent work Drwhawkfan, that could easily be made into a worthwhile section of the article, no reason not to.

And indeed we do need to find consensus on the naming of the article as those who choose to move the page invariably leave the double redirects (which do at least need prompt attention) and the source of the redirects (which don't need prompt attention but would be more helpful if sorted on the page move). As this is a lengthy task to say the least, we should be clear whether this "most common name" is applicable here. As I said above one of the issues is that "Lemmy Kilmister" is not his birth name although I believe, like Drwhawkfan, that he is most commonly referred to in print as "Lemmy Kilmister" even if he more known to fans as "Lemmy", hence my earlier indecision about where to put this page. If I am pushed to fall anywhere I would go with "Lemmy Kilmister" even though it means a fair amount of work (again) in the tidy-up surrounding the move.--Alf ^melmac 12:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Lemmy is not a proper stand-alone stage name like Sting, Madonna, Prince, Iggy Pop or Judge Dread. It is his adopted first name, and one of his several nicknames. As has been pointed out above, he is never credited on his works as simply Lemmy, and I'm guessing that most serious articles and books about him use both his first and last name. Therefore, the title of the article should be Lemmy Kilmister. Spylab (talk) 15:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Alf, his birth name is "Ian Kilmister"; he never changed his first name to Lemmy, he is just called that as a whole name. I don't know why he's credited as "Kilmister" in the credits, but that's just another one of those instances where a musician is credited in the album credits by their birth name. It's the same case for former Motörhead guitarist Würzel, who's always credited as "Michael Burston", though I've never heard him recognized by that name, or Jake E. Lee (credited by birth name of "Jakey Lou Williams") or Vinnie Vincent (credited by birth name of "Vincent Cusano", or at least until he formed the Vinnie Vincent Invasion). My point is, you have to disregard the album credits when they give someone various names, or else it just gets confusing. If you go around listing every album credit like it does in the album with various names for certain people, it'll just confuse people. Wikipedia is supposed to be reader-friendly, and I don't see how that makes the articles any easier to read. I honestly don't know why he's sometimes known as Lemmy Kilmister, but, in my opinion, he's known well enough as just "Lemmy" to have the page be worthy of that title. He's commonly recognized by just that, and he's the one and only, so there's no one to get him confused with. Simple as that.

--Rock Soldier (talk) 22:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't care if Rock Soldier doesn't know why he's credited as Kilmister - he's credited as Kilmister and that's both verifiable and the actual name in which the music is published. This is now the third time Rock Soldier has changed Kilmister to the unverifiable Lemmy without offering any justification except "My point is, you have to disregard the album credits". BTW, Ian Kilmister is his legal name, his birth name may well be Ian Willis. Drwhawkfan (talk) 12:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, title of this page turned aside, I think that we should list him in the credits of articles as what he's listed as on the page. Otherwise, like I said, it's just confusing to the reader to have the same person listed by more than one name. If you still insist on the credits matching what it says in the albums, you add something in parenthesis saying "(as Lemmy Kilmister)" or something like that.

As for my justification? You saw what I wrote, I said a lot more than just "My point is, you have to disregard the album credits". Tell me how the rest of what I said doesn't work as justification.

--Rock Soldier (talk) 21:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I think that we should clearly state in the track listings that attribution is as listed on the given object (single, EP, DVD or album [etc?]) but that it is clear from the article in prose who the writers were, that information should be clearly covered in the lead. When readers get to point where the track listing is they are not confused as Rock Solider fears they will be with the current arrangement. That can then include the misspellings that Drwhawkfan pointed out have happened for Lemmy on some of his appearances, I'd also want that pointed out in prose in the article, again there would be no confusion there, having passed the "as listed on the original vinyl" (or whatever) point.--Alf ^melmac 22:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that is if there isn't a MoS that states it should be laid out in a standard way for all artists on records and the like.--Alf ^melmac 23:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm just gonna say this: if we do end up deciding to change the naming to Lemmy Kilmister, it's gonna be up to someone to find every place where in every article where it says "Lemmy" and change it to either "Lemmy Kilmister" or just "Kilmister". And that means every use in every article. I noticed that Drwhawkfan has been changing a few instances of his name in various articles, but he's just been changing one or two of them, and leaving the rest of them as just "Lemmy". This is exactly what I'm trying to avoid. It's one or the other. I certainly won't be the one to go through every single article out there that mentions his name and do it, I don't know about the rest of you.

--Rock Soldier (talk) 03:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, does this need to be done? IMHO on entries about LPs or tracks, the text should reflect what was printed on the relevant CD/LP. AS long as the link comes to this page does it matter?--C Hawke (talk) 07:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, in most of the articles he's just referred to as "Lemmy", and if we move the page to "Lemmy Kilmister", it's only going to make sense to change his name in the articles to "Lemmy Kilmister" or just "Kilmister". Right?

--Rock Soldier (talk) 20:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

The advice given to me over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums regarding the writer's credit issue is that we should quote the actual published name, but in the personnel section which lists the person by their commonly known stage/nick name, also note their legal name. So this would look like:

1. "Motorhead" (Ian Kilmister)
2. "Lost Johnny" (Kilmister)

• Lemmy (Ian Kilmister) - bass and vocals

Can we all accept this solution? Drwhawkfan (talk) 10:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

That's fine with me. The "Kilmister" part of his name is part of his birth name, which he abandoned for the stage name of "Lemmy". The two parts of his birth name, "Kilmister" and "Ian", belong together, while his stage name of "Lemmy", by which he is often referred to unaccompanied by a surname, should remain singular. If the credits list a "Kilmister", it means an "Ian Kilmister", and if they list a "Lemmy", it means "Lemmy".

--Rock Soldier (talk) 00:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I still think it's likelier that he was born Ian Willis (father's surname), then changed to Ian Kilmister (mother's surname) when any chance of reconciliation with his father failed early on in his career. Being born Ian Kilmister (father's surname), changing it Ian Willis (mother's surname) then back to Ian Kilmister doesn't make too much sense to me. Has anyone got any reliable cites for this, is it mentioned in his autobiography? Nevertheless, Ian Kilmister is his legal name and the name in which all his post-Sam Gopal works have been published. I do believe that he is credited as Lemmy Kilmister on the later Motorhead releases, perhaps Alf can shed more light on that. Drwhawkfan (talk) 14:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, OK, a simple google search has revealed this: "Lemmy's real name is Ian Fraser Willis, though he was Fraser Kilmister. Kilmister was the name of his father, a minister, but I think his parents parted and his mother married a former football pro, George Willis, who used to play for Bolton Wanderers."[2] Drwhawkfan (talk) 14:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Fliming around

I see that in conjunction with his forthcoming movie (see news in http://www.lemmymovie.com), Lemmy has designed a t-shirt that has "Lemmy who?" on the front, and "Lemmy Fucking Kilmister, That's who!" on the back. — Drwhawkfan (talk) 13:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Advice for MH fans BEFORE opening the above link, TURN UP THE VOLUME CONTROL.

$30 a pop? - was a bargain before the exchange rates went down the tube :D --Alf ^melmac 14:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Sloppy?

"It's also been said Lemmy in invincible and will never die" Someone should fix this please.129.107.81.12 (talk) 07:13, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

it's often been said, and is, hopefully, true :p Unless someone like a US president says it, I don't think it's for inclusion though.--Alf ^melmac 14:04, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Advert

Lemmy once did a parody advert for a life asurance company (or something) where he is talking about life assurance on the phone backstage. As someone walks past he switches and says, "Yeah, a crate of tequila and don't forget the goats'. Any idea which firm it was for? (83.13.39.98 (talk) 11:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC))

A swift bit of Google-fu suggests it was AXA.Mr Larrington (talk) 12:29, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Nazi stuff

He has more memorabilia than the article makes out; I've seen a whole room with full of the stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Perry Groves (talk • contribs) 09:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I remember seing a pic of him in that room and the room was absolutely stuffed with items - I believe that room is one of the two rooms of his appartment in LA - though I have found no cite or any other back up for that information so I can't see how to make an improvement to the text there :s --Alf ^melmac 10:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I have that picture, just packed with German items, he even wears a patch: Ich bin stolz, ein Deutscher zu sein / I am proud to be a German ... and Lemmy was good friends with Ian Stuart Donaldson. 77.23.108.40 (talk) 18:15, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

No doubts nazis have the most badass fashionwear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.115.202.82 (talk) 19:44, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Is there a reference for the Donaldson connection? Lancevortex (talk) 13:19, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Ian Willis?

Lemmy is also known as Ian Willis? When? Where? Any sources?--80.133.203.162 (talk) 14:06, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

try here --Alf ^melmac 18:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Mutton Chops

"mutton chops (sideburn-moustache combination)"

Mutton chops are not a sideburn-moustache combination. Mutton chops are a style of sideburns but can be worn with a moustache. Just saying.

Ryan Pickett 141.225.165.94 (talk) 18:58, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Keli Raven

A couple of months ago, an anonymous user added the details about Keli Raven's song, "Bad Boyz 4 Life" being a duet with Lemmy (not quite sure why it was all added in capitals - maybe the poster thinks we're all deaf). A quick internet search shows that Raven is currently unsigned, and I can't find any third-party info about this song: to be honest, I can't find anything at all on the net that doesn't appear to have originated from the artiste in question. The song is currently available to listen to on Raven's Myspace page and certainly sounds like Lemmy, but does anyone have any other information about it? I'm not saying it's not Lemmy, but I'm just a bit surprised that it doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere else ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 14:58, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Bruce Willis?

His mother did not marry Bruce Willis(actor). 2nd paragraph in the Childhood section. Someone want to fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.16.135.101 (talk) 02:19, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

It's Davey & Cecilia (L.A.) Fast Eddie. Brian etc.69.231.73.96 (talk) 07:10, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Lemy. How are you. Remember us? A very good time was had.

It's Davey & Cecilia (Motorhead)

Hi Lemy, How are you. Nice to see you (Brian & Fast Eddie).

Davey & Cecilia 69.231.73.96 (talk) 07:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Associated Acts

The Jimi Hendrix Experience? Explain please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.179.78.8 (talk) 16:59, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

no obvious link, I'm removing it. Wrong? Then please talk about it here--C Hawke (talk) 16:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I was wrong - I actually read the entry, he roadied for the Experience.--C Hawke (talk) 16:14, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

'Friendly Mutton Chops'

'Mutton chops' are simply the sideburn portion of the facial hair Lemmy sports. Adding the mustache turns them into what is called 'friendly mutton chops'. I am not suggesting his mutton chops are themselves 'friendly'. Please stop deleting the correct term. See this chart for info:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Rc-grTfI-gk/SxSq-s4OK3I/AAAAAAAABH4/HUnAAH845rk/s1600/beardtypes1.jpg SlamBurger (talk) 00:40, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

If it is the correct term, it needs to be supported by better reference(s) than something off Blogspot (per WP:RS, WP:V). Also, if it is a notable term and not WP:OR, it should also at least be mentioned and properly sourced in the Sideburns article (where mutton chops redirects). Dl2000 (talk) 20:15, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

• Please stop reverting the IP. They are correct; "friendly mutton chops" is a style of facial hair. These sources should suffice.[3][4] - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 06:05, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
• I fear I may have started this pretty lame edit war when I removed it the first time, sorry. The note there should stop it happening now. shuffles off embarrassed... Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 08:30, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

• Not a problem. Its a very easy mistake to make given how adamant we are about avoiding POV. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 13:25, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Kilminster, ...mister again

This issue is discussed a couple of times above.
Even though Kilminster is wrong, that is how I learned it decades ago. I don't own any Motorhead LPs, nor does anyone I know. (I'm a Hawkwind guy.) Therefore I would have learned Kilmi(n)ster in good faith from newspaper reviews.
In a case like this, it is reasonable to note that he has been commonly, and mistakenly, called something else.
When I saw Kilmister here, I thought somebody had vandalized this article.
Varlaam (talk) 18:34, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

i'an anderson kilmister.

yo siempre he oido que el nombre real de lemmy es,i'an anderson kilmister.y que es oriundo de pais de gales. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.224.105.247 (talk) 12:12, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Lo siento, pero esto está mal. Nació Ian Fraser Kilmister en Inglaterra y se trasladó a Gales cuando tenía 10 años. Arjayay (talk) 12:58, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Albert Jarvinen quest appearance

Albert Jarvinen quest appearance was 1984, not 1988. I bought that record 1984. Someone more into this system could change that in discography. -JJ-

NME agrees it was 1984 [5] so I've changed the date and added a link to Albert Järvinen - Arjayay (talk) 10:53, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Excessive Length

This entry is ridiculously long and reads like it was put together by a fan club. Does it really need to list every single TV appearance? This is not Lemmypedia. Please cut down on all of the excessive detail. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 12:43, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

No, the article iteslf is of a reasonable length; Larry Norman is an example of a ridiculously long article, and that has already been halved in length by hiving sections off into sub-articles. I would agree, however, that we should consider a separate discography/videography/filmography section. Arjayay (talk) 13:57, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

My comment is now outdated, as Larry Norman has been trimmed to 50Kb. When written, Larry Norman was 132Kb, having peaked at 362Kb in June 2010. Lemmy has stayed at 45-47KB for over 2 years. Arjayay (talk) 11:13, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

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Contradictory birth dates

OK, so the header text in the article gives it as the 14th. Then in the first section is says immediately and with some conviction that he was born on Christmas Eve. Then the side bar gives his (current) ages as 70 and his birthday as the 14th.

An initial google search gives an info box saying he is 69 and born on the 24th. However searches for his birthday bring up 70th birthday celebrations dated 14th Dec.

Can someone sort this out? ArdClose (talk) 11:54, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Did this guy smoke cigarettes???

I think this settles the answer.....although we don't know if that's tobacco, of course

Did this guy smoke cigarettes??? I never heard of the guy until I turned the news on today, and the news is that he died of a very aggressive form of cancer, and the reporter also noted his alcohol intake, but I wonder if this guy smoked cigarettes given that they don't note the specific cancer. Did he smoke? A lot?Betathetapi545 (talk) 07:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Actually he was killed by death. It is more than possible he has on occasion smoked a cigarette, but whether there is a reliable source for this, is another matter. Leutha (talk) 09:08, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

And yes! there is a source. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/lemmy-roars-again-20140122 (I must admit it was really really hard to type "Lemmy Smokes" into google.) Spacecowboy420 (talk) 09:19, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I remember a Q Magazine interview with Lemmy about 25 years ago where there was a shot of him obscured by a huge cloud of cigarette smoke. It wasn't as prominent as Jack Daniel's and speed, but what was? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:36, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Marlboro here, I think (2001)? But only one pack a week by 2015. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:59, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Last concert

Motörhead were in the middle of an European tour when Lemmy died. Lemmy's (and quite possibly Motörheads') last concert was at the Max-Schmelling-Halle in Berlin, Germany, on the 11th of December 2015 (according to LastFM: http://www.last.fm/music/Mot%C3%B6rhead/+events/2015?page=2). They were supported on the tour by Girlschool and Saxon. According to imotorhead.com (Motörheads' official website) they were planning on continuing their tour (with the same supporting acts) at the Clyde Auditorium, Glasgow, Scotland, on the 24th of january 2016. I think this information should be included in the article - and possibly also in the Motörhead article.

Although he died in LA? But I agree it could be mentioned. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:25, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2015

Page needs updated as Lemmy passed away yesterday.

216.92.130.45 (talk) 13:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Try reading the page which starts:-

"Ian Fraser "Lemmy" Kilmister (24 December 1945 – 28 December 2015) was ... "

- Arjayay (talk) 14:21, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Was Lemmy the bass player in the Anglsey Strangers - Rock Group in the 1960's

I played keyboards in a rock group in the 1960's and the group played alternate weeks at the Winter Gardens Ballroom in Llandudno, which was attached to the Odeon Cinema. The rock group that played the alternate week to us was the Anglsey Strangers and I think the bass player did have the nickname Lemmy. The biography dates and locations do seem to fit quite well; anyone have any further information on this? Alan at ARM 21:47, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

He's on record as saying he'd never played bass before joining Hawkwind and that he thought he was replacing Huw Lloyd-Langton when he signed up. Mr Larrington (talk) 11:17, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

A Google search finds a few sources which suggests a link, though some are in Welsh. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:36, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

This Daily Post article just says: "One of those who watched and listened carefully then was a boy named Ian Kilmister." and this blog post says "We were not averse to letting the odd ‘guest musician’ sit in with us at gigs from time to time, and Lemmy was a frequent visitor on stage, as he was living in the area at that time, before his trip to London & fame & fortune. I recall he played guitar, rather than bass, in those days, and sometimes came along to roadie for us for a couple of quid when he was short of cash – quite a frequent occurrence." - but the band is named as "The Questions" (later "Uncle Herbert’s Big Soul Band") Martinevans123 (talk) 16:44, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Keith Emerson - knives

it states that in his autobiography, Emerson used the knives he was given by Lemmy, until he destroyed them. Can someone confirm if he intentionally destroyed them for some reason, or if they were destroyed by accident/overuse/etc? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 11:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I took The Nice to GA, which indeed mentions Lemmy's tenure as a roadie and donation of daggers to Keith Emerson. I didn't see anything in sources as to what happened to the knives; I can only imagine that throwing them at a dartboard night after night would eventually blunt or otherwise disfigure them. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:13, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm sure Keith knows all about the importance of a good Knife Edge. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:32, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2015

Died December 28, 2015 at 70 years old

184.14.44.221 (talk) 19:19, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

 Not done. Already in article. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:05, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Useful source

There might be some useful info in https://www.yahoo.com/music/s/lemmys-last-days-metal-legend-celebrated-70th-stared-194400242-rolling-stone.html. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:21, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2015

Died on the 28th of December 2015 in Los Angeles, California

81.216.206.9 (talk) 19:52, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

 Not done The article clearly states:-
On 28 December 2015, four days after his 70th birthday, Lemmy died at his home in Los Angeles at 16:00 PST, from an "extremely aggressive cancer".
- Arjayay (talk) 19:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Bass models

I am pretty sure that Lemmy's original Rickenbacker bass model, famously used with Hawkwind and thereafter with Motörhead, for a long while was an (increasingly heavily modified) 4000 -- not a 4001 (and of course not the much later 4003, though I guess he did use those ... and he probably has some 4001s kicking around. The main visible modification was the addition of a neck pickup (the original reputedly from a Gibson Thunderbird bass), making the 4000 look more like a 4001/3. There's a fair bit of detail about Lemmy's basses floating around on Internet forums and stuff, though I am not sure if that is suitable for referencing here! A few published books on Hawkwind may mention some tidbits .... Carlsefni (talk) 21:27, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

The header states 4004LK (correct) but the body states 4001LK (incorrect). The link for the citation is also incorrect, as it does a search for "Lemmy Rickenbacker", although this finds no references on the target page. Changing the search to "Lemmy" should fix this. Can't fix these at the moment as the page is non-updateable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.139.229.64 (talk) 22:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

The source works for me (it's a Google Books link), and it does say 4004LK, so I've changed that. You can update the page yourself by creating an account, making 10 edits and waiting 4 days. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:48, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

(Citation needed)

I have to ask - do we really need a citation for the sentence "He is also known for his appearance, including his friendly mutton chops, prominent facial moles, and gravelly voice."

Exactly what would that citation look like? What sort of authority would be appropriate to conclude that, yes, Lemmy actually does have muttonchops, moles and a gravelly voice? And would we expect there to be controversy about these traits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.228.120 (talk) 15:18, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Not so much what his appearance was, as that it was a particularly notable feature. That is to say, that his appearance was noted by others. oknazevad (talk) 01:13, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm removing the bit about the moles, as that could easily be vandalism. Please only add back if you find a reliable reference. Kiwi128 (talk) 08:05, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Throat cancer

He died of throat cancer that had spread to his brain. (92.4.12.161 (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2016 (UTC))

The source currently used from musicnews.com, quotes manager, Todd Singerman as saying ".. after the brain scan they found the cancer in his brain and his neck.. " If you have a more detailed, or competing, source please provide it. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:09, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Dave Grohl tattoo

Is this notable? Or just hyped celebrity excess of the most idiotic and tasteless kind? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:36, 2 January 2016 (UTC) Third possibility: touching and artistic personal tribute to an icon of rock music?

a half a sentence addition about a tribute made to Lemmy helps to better understand him imho 2607:FB90:2405:BEDB:DEA4:F651:2E93:2981 (talk) 20:09, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

What would half a sentence look like? Is it like the sound of one hand clapping? --John (talk) 20:21, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

just spitballing, but something like "Lemmy's death sent waves throughout the rock community with Ozzy Osbourne mourning the loss of 'one of my best friends' and Dave Grohl emblazoning a commemorative 'Ace of Spades' ink on his inner wrist" would work. 2607:FB90:2405:BEDB:7D3E:BE61:54EE:D7E3 (talk) 21:05, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Mmmm. I am not sure if this tattoo is really notable for Wikipedia purposes, and we would not use tabloidese phrases like "sent waves through" or "emblazoning" even if it was. --John (talk) 21:25, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

I think that would have been news of his death, not the death itself. Or maybe I'm just not mystically attuned. And I don't think Grohl actually did the emblazoning himself. But I see that his John Bonham tattoo already gets a mention over there. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Made changes as indicated. Deleted the telegraph quote. 198.22.122.12 (talk) 05:36, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

That wasn't helpful. Thank you User:Nortonius for undoing this. --John (talk) 12:00, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

198.22.122.12, this thread is entitled "Dave Grohl tattoo". Ok? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:09, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

pretty sure he added something about Dave Grohl 2607:FB90:769:87F8:37E0:F37B:FE35:144C (talk) 20:24, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Pretty sure he deleted The Telegraph quote. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:19, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 29 December 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. There is a consensus that he is commonly referred to by the mononym. Jenks24 (talk) 12:59, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

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Lemmy → Lemmy Kilmister – I don't believe Mr. Kilmister was so universally known only by his adopted name that we should avoid the surname, although the title surely shouldn't be "Ian Fraser Kilmister" either. Yes, the BBC [6] and the New York Times [7] prefer the mononym. But Rolling Stone [8] and the Washington Post [9] and the Wall Street Journal [10] all prefer the surname. With usage being split, the article should follow the normal practice of using a full name. 64.105.98.115 (talk) 04:11, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

• I agree and will move the page, as right now the page violates WP:FULLNAME. TheJack15 (talk) 04:48, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

You absolutely shouldn't do that, until a consensus is formed here to move it. FULLNAME says that the full name needs to be mentioned in the lead sentence, and doesn't prohibit a one name title. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:52, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Since when is Lemmy Kilmister known as just "Lemmy".? TheJack15 (talk) 04:58, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

In the sources the IP included above, for example, and others. This isnt cut and dried. I've always known of him as "Lemmy", much as there's a singer known only as "Cher". – Muboshgu (talk) 05:01, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

• Agree, per IP and TheJack. Incendiary Iconoclasm 06:33, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

• TheJack15 now blocked as a sockpuppet. Not sure if that effects your decision. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:00, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 08:54, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME moving the article to Lemmy Kilminster wouldn't be a total disaster, but he does seem to be known more as just Lemmy (or God) Spacecowboy420 (talk) 09:06, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

@Incendiary Iconoclasm: @Lugnuts: @Spacecowboy420: @Muboshgu: please see WP:NOT OPRAH: In ictu oculi (talk) 09:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Exceptions exist for biographical articles. For example, neither a given name nor a family name is usually omitted or abbreviated for conciseness. Thus Oprah Winfrey (not Oprah), Jean-Paul Sartre (not J. P. Sartre). See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people).

• Support per the WP:NOT OPRAH exception : and unlike Cher serious books do call him "Lemmy Kilmister", not just introduce him as "Lemmy" only. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:40, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I followed that link and read "The goal of conciseness is to balance brevity with sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the subject area." Since there are no other notable people called Lemmy, the current title would seem to match that criteria. Unlike Oprah or Kylie, Lemmy is not his "given name" nor is it a "family name", neither are Fish or Seal. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:40, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

"Serious books do call him "Lemmy Kilminster" - I sincerely hope no-one is proposing to call him Kilminster(sic) and I don't think these can be considered "Serious books" if they can't even get his name right - it was Kilmister - Arjayay (talk) 11:10, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME, unless somebody can find me a Motörhead album that actually credits him as "Lemmy Kilmister" Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:38, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME - relatively few people know his name was Kilmister, many think it was Kilminster (see archives) whilst his "real" name was "Ian Kilmister" (or "Ian Fraser Kilmister" in full) - with no Lemmy in it at all - Arjayay (talk) 10:51, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. "Mr. Kilmister wasn't so universally known only by his adopted name that we should avoid the surname?" - um. yes he was, and so yes we should. What's next, The Artist Formerly Known as Prince Nelson? Or Sting Sumner? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:53, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. The move would only make sense if it was from Lemmy (musician) or another bracket-lemma and if there was a need to move the DAB here. Rest in Metal, Lemmy! (did anyone start or find a condolences list?) --.js (((☎))) 13:03, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. You are joking. As noted above, every album and performance he was always known as "Lemmy". Are you proposing to rename Prince (musician)? I never understand when a random Wiki "editor" tries to clean up a page when they don't have an understanding of the subject. Anyone can Google a reply to backup their point of view, but go into the actual reference books and you'll see he is always just plain Lemmy. 82.3.222.152 (talk) 19:05, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Blackguard 19:08, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose for multiple reasons listed by previous contributors. Astronomy Explained (talk) 19:17, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Cliph (talk) 19:53, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Lemononymy. Rothorpe (talk) 20:05, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Mlpearc (open channel) 20:14, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but shouldn't any move be to Ian Fraser 'Lemmy' Kilmister as per the Motorhead facebook page? Dead and Gone, RIP Lemmy, see you in hell my friend. He may be Lemmy to us but not them, the general public. Playing Lemmy's music LOUD now! It will change, correctly, but NOT TODAY. Doyna Yar (talk) 22:39, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

We could always !vote to not move to that either. But I see your point. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:15, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose, and snow close. Oprah is her name, Lemmy is his nickname, which is as valid as Prince, Seal or Fish (as pointed above), so there is no comparison. No real discussion here so I'm asking for a premature close. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 23:28, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Aren't those last three subatomic particles? Lemmy's in a class of his own. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:40, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

If you refer to their dabs, they are simply dabbed due to technical reasons (WP:PRIMARYTOPIC), if there weren't other more prominent or relevant uses of "Prince", "Fish" or "Seal", they'd be primaries. Without even looking the articles at List of one-word stage names, I know most are, either, their birth names, unambiguous names, or disambiguated. Here, there is no reason to mix his nickname with his last name solely because it sometimes happens ("Yes, the BBC and the New York Times prefer the mononym. But [other sites don't]"). This doesn't justify the move to either Lemmy Kilmister, Ian Kilmister, or Lemmy (musician). © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 00:33, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

You know that without even looking? I'm very impressed. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. A Google search shows that a majority of sources call him "Lemmy" and that even some of the ones that used his full name in an article or obit used just "Lemmy" in their headline. He is clearly known primarily as "Lemmy". Also, where a name other than "Lemmy" is used there doesn't seem to be any general agreement among sources on what it is (e.g. "Lemmy Kilmister", "Ian 'Lemmy' Kilmister", "Ian Fraser 'Lemmy' Kilmister") so the most common and concise name is just "Lemmy". TheBlinkster (talk) 12:27, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support: while I had heard the name of the band, I hadn't ever heard about this guy until he died. As you can imagine, I was amazed by the amount of coverage. But he cannot possibly be "Lemmy" with all the world. HandsomeFella (talk) 20:22, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

• How many other "Lemmy"s does all the world know about? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:30, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Do you find it necessary to comment on all "support"s? Interesting. HandsomeFella (talk) 23:15, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Not really, no. Only two of the three, so far. And one of those was a public information message. More "tedious" than "interesting", I suspect. But, by all means, answer my question. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:28, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm feeling old - I can't even remember when I first heard about Lemmy, it's like he'd always been around somewhere. Anyway, as he put it to Q magazine issue 163 (April 2000) when asked "It she [Lemmy's mum] the only one allowed [to call him "Ian"]?" - "She's the only one that bothers. Everyone else knows me as fucking Lemmy." Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:38, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, maybe a two-word title might be better after all. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

• Support. I've always heard of this guy as "Lemmy Kilmister". JIP | Talk 20:19, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose About 35 years ago someone I knew described hanging out with Lemmy: I wasn't there so I can't say if what was said was true, but the point is that, until a few days ago, I had no idea of Lemmy's real name. I suspect I'm not alone in that. Is 35 years long enough? What is Prince's real name? No idea. HTH Nortonius (talk) 20:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

George? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:01, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Charming! Nortonius (talk) 21:04, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose. Almost never referred to as anything other than Lemmy and clearly the primary topic for that name. And I speak as someone with absolutely no knowledge of or interest in his music. But I would still immediately know who was being referred to if the name Lemmy was mentioned. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:15, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

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Proper Reactions To His Death

"Lost one of my best friends, Lemmy, today. He will be sadly missed. He was a warrior and a legend. I will see you on the other side." Ozzy Osbourne as well as possibly "Lemmy was a true rock icon, singular in voice and spirit. Metal flags fly at half mast tonight as we salute the incomparable Ace Of Spades." Tom Morello.

Telegraph is in poor taste and has much lower circulation. 2607:FB90:246B:13A9:764C:FFB0:CBDC:EFCC (talk) 03:26, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Could you explain why "Telegraph is in poor taste", exactly? And it has a lower circulation than what? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:32, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

"grizzled", "bronchial", "weather-beaten" all imply he was very unhealthy whereas all reports are that 1 week before his death, he had no major health issues.. But also notability - given motörhead fans are unlikely to associate with that conservative paper, especially given no one has put their name on the "tribute". An anonymous obituary in an agenda driven conservative paper is less relevant than a writeup from a friend (Ozzy Osbourne) with over 30,000 RTs. In general, anonymous articles are poor sources when they can be avoided. 2607:FB90:7C5:48E4:65D9:1D2:5778:2A57 (talk) 19:52, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't think it was their contention that he looked like that just a week before his death, but rather that he did for the entire time with Motörhead. This article isn't written for Motörhead fans. And the Telegraph piece is not billed as "a tribute", it's an obituary. I'm really not sure what "agenda" you think the paper had on Lemmy (or rock music in general). But you haven't shown us where Ozzy's writeup can be found? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:16, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Ozzy's tweeet (also Morello) more relevant than telegraph, whose relatively small distribution doesn't even read that section. telegraph's contention that he had looked unhealthy for years undermines his abrupt death. 2607:FB90:76E:7B45:AF91:88E9:AF31:D05F (talk) 02:30, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Those are just primary sources. It's not usual to paste multiple Tweets into an article without some evidence of their general notability, even if the Tweeter him or herself is a "big sleb". I'd have no objection to adding those quotes, if they could be supported by a secondary source, although I'm not sure of Tom Morello's general notability outside the US. As regards "distribution", I don't think broadsheet circulation and number of Twitter followers are really comparable. As regards The Telegraph's description, I don't see how it can "undermine" Lemmy's death. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:51, 1 January 2016 (UTC) p.s. looking forward to all of us seeing Ozzy "on the other side" - I didn't even know that his BBC contract had expired.

I do agree Martin that Morello, while his words mean more than someone anonymous at the telegraph, does not have the notability to be included in an unbiased encyclopedia. But the telegraph article "undermines" how quickly Lemmy fell ill, by insinuating that he had been extremely unhealthy for years. A paper with "broadsheet circulation" such as hack newspaper the telegraph (or sun or daily mail) is considerably less encyclopedic than an honest, public tribute by a legend (and friend of Lemmy) such as Ozzy. But the sun & daily mail do have wide circulation adding some noteworthiness to them, whereas telegraph doesn't even have that. Why do you like that telegraph quote so much? Certainly it's replaceable & if the writer was a fan of Lemmy's (ie actually understood Lemmy, which is a requirement to having a worthwhile comment on his death & the meaning of his life), the author would have written his name. 2607:FB90:2400:B4E6:60FB:BC61:53C5:3DB9 (talk) 20:55, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't equate Twitter with "honesty", lol. But yes, free of any editorial pressure. I think that description about Lemmy's appearance has nothing to do with his death, however sudden or unexpected. If you can find a more fitting quote from that obit, by all means suggest it. But again, we're not looking for something written by "a fan", just a general appraisal in the public eye. And a source for the Ozzy quote? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:02, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

twitter is a very honest way for an individual to make a public statement, as Ozzy has done. It works perfectly well as source material. The telegraph, especially anonymously written, is a very dishonest way for an individual to make a public statement. i could google "scott weiland" and provide a "general appraisal" of him, but since i don't know him / i wasn't "a fan", i would be wildly underqualified to do so. and then my "general appraisal" would have absolutely no place in an encyclopedia. 2607:FB90:240E:A1E5:2363:E19E:523F:F1D0 (talk) 00:30, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

As a medium, twitter is no more honest tham semiphore, forexample. As regards the Telegraph, it does not matter whether a writer is anonymous or not, and It is hard to see why an a nonbymous contribution shoulc be regarded as a personal statement, honest or otherwise. However, as a mouthpiece of conservative opinion it does representa viewpoint which can be used with caution.Leutha (talk) 07:05, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

as a medium, twitter is more honest than telegraph. it doesn't matter that telegraph's anonymous, true, it matters more that the paper's writeup is poor & the paper itself is very unencyclopedic. Are you arguing that if twitter existed 30 years ago and that Jim Beach's speech about Freddy Mercury was first broadcast over twitter that it would be unencyclopedic? Or are you coming up with any excuse to shape his wiki death section to give the appearance Lemmy died of natural causes over the course of several years when in fact his cancer diagnosis was abrupt? 2607:FB90:240C:6E42:C76E:435A:6232:DD20 (talk) 21:05, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

This time you lost me after the word "honest". But who were you asking? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:12, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

you lost me with "i don't equate Twitter with honesty". You saying Ozzy (or Morello) didn't create that tweet? 2607:FB90:2405:BEDB:DEA4:F651:2E93:2981 (talk) 20:12, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

You think everyone always tweets "the truth"? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:03, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Milk advert

"Mötorhead's Lemmy stars in milk ad released weeks after his death": [11] - a TV ad for Finnish dairy giant Valio. Apparently also, his funeral will be "live-streamed on 9 January", from Hollywood at 11pm. A live streaming of a funeral, by YouTube, seems notable? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:40, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

I think the ad is notable as something involving Lemmy that was in production at the time of his death, and for its release as a "tribute" to him: if he'd made it and it had been released years ago – or even a month ago – I'd say no, too trivial. Also it's stated that he is ad-libbing, which I think adds something. I'm in no doubt that the streaming of his funeral is notable, although I get WP:NOTNEWS. Oh and thanks for the tip, I'll probably watch it. Nortonius (talk) 16:28, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

The sun always shines in Hollywood (?) Martinevans123 (talk) 17:19, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Ow! Evidently the sun doesn't always shine... Nortonius (talk) 19:21, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Pronunciation of last name

I had to look up in other sources how his last name is pronounced because I wasn't sure. Even though "kil mis ter" seems obvious, I got tripped up by it being spelled similarly to Kilmeister ("kil my ster"). I thought maybe it was just a variant spelling but the pronunciation was the same. I wasn't really into him, and besides people usually just refer to him by his first name so I had no way of knowing without looking it up. I wonder if there are others in the same boat as me, and we should have a pronunciation guide for his last name in the opening paragraph. Wbeaumo (talk) 22:02, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

The other two articles for people with that surname, Clive W. Kilmister and Wally Kilmister, contain no guide. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:25, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

The video of his memorial ceremony shows clearly that it's pronounced "kill mister". RIP Lemmy. -- The Anome (talk) 11:06, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Ian Fraser "Lemmy" Kilmister

Why is his name shown like this? It makes no sense. Surely "Ian Fraser Kilmister, better known as Lemmy" would be more appropriate. It just seems a bit weird to bung his nickname (or stage name, whichever it is) in the middle of his formal name. I know it may be nitpicking, but it just looks really strange. —Vom ^(talk) 16:07, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Tend to agree, as he rarely used his surname. A comparable article subject might be Sting (musician) which opens: "Gordon Matthew Thomas Sumner CBE (born 2 October 1951), known professionally by his stage name Sting ..." The move request above has now been closed with the summary "There is a consensus that he is commonly referred to by the mononym." Martinevans123 (talk) 17:01, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

This is the most common format variation across notable person articles, at least the most I've seen. Mlpearc (open channel) 17:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree. It should say "Ian Fraser Kilmister (24 December 1945 – 28 December 2015), known professionally as Lemmy ..." – Muboshgu (talk) 17:21, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Do we need to clarify it as a nickname, as opposed to a stage name? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:38, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

In my opinion Muboshgu's example is acceptable with no further expansion or explanations. Mlpearc (open channel) 21:08, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't object to it the other way, if that were to be consensus. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:12, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

I guess it was a nick-name that became a stage name. Happy to stay with simple version. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:16, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

I've made it even simpler, removing 'professionally', as I doubt he was much known as 'Ian'. I agree that he was not 'Lemmy Kilmister', so just 'known as Lemmy'. Rothorpe (talk) 21:40, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Absolutely. Known as Lemmy to everyone, Lem to his close friends. -- The Anome (talk) 11:08, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Bobbitt

Could we add Lemmy's small part in Ron Jeremy's classic John Wayne Bobbitt Uncut to the cameo section?

The Hedgehog said: "He did [a song] for the John Wayne Bobbitt movie, Under the Knife. Isn’t that perfect? Very generous. Good guy." --Hillbillyholiday ^talk 01:21, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Hard to keep it out, I'd say. If only we had the song, though? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:35, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

According to Ron Jeremy in the Guardian piece Lemmy stars as a cop, but as he clearly isn't in the clip linked to above, I wondered whether Ron's claim about "Under the Knife" featuring in the film was correct. However, after watching the entire film through, I can confirm that indeed it does. --Hillbillyholiday ^talk 14:17, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

References

Quotes

As regards "reduces amusing quote to a mundane and worthless homily?", as an encyclopedia I am not sure generating amusing quotes is our main job. Too many quotes are bad and we should have less of them, not more. --John (talk) 12:02, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Depends how many we have to start with? I'm pretty sure that generating amusing quotes is not our main job. But that quote seemed to me to show Lemmy's sense of humour. I agree "Lemmy later commenting that it was difficult but interesting to be the only English pupil at his school" is more factual, and also quite dull. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:28, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

No offence but I find the quote also to be quite dull. It's not that interesting or unusual a story, that he moved to a different area when a child and felt out of place. What does the quote tell us that the paraphrase doesn't? That Lemmy knew and could correctly use words like "anthropological"? With that quote restored, the article currently has:

1. "funnily enough, being the only English kid among 700 Welsh ones didn't make for the happiest time, but it was interesting from an anthropological point of view."
2. Lemmy mentions having a son whose mother has only recently "found him" and "hadn't got the heart to tell him who his father was" (not properly sourced either)
3. "I had to stand on this platform while the camera went around and did the hologram thing and then they made the model, only smaller. They said it's an action figure and I said, 'So, you're gonna put a dick on it?' They said, 'No.' I said, 'Well, then it's not going to get much action then, is it?' A bad name for it, right?" (dreadful source)
4. "We recorded his track in Los Angeles in maybe two takes about a year and a half ago. Until then I'd never met what I'd call a real rock 'n' roll hero before. Fuck Elvis and Keith Richards, Lemmy's the king of rock 'n' roll – he told me he never considered Motörhead a metal band, he was quite adamant. Lemmy's a living, breathing, drinking and snorting fucking legend. No one else comes close." (Dave Grohl)
5. "In those days just having a guitar was enough… that was it". (not properly sourced)
6. They became interested in how long "you could make the human body jump about without stopping," (not properly sourced)
7. "I first got into speed because it was a utilitarian drug and kept you awake when you needed to be awake, when otherwise you'd just be flat out on your back. If you drive to Glasgow for nine hours in the back of a sweaty truck you don't really feel like going onstage feeling all bright and breezy ... It's the only drug I've found that I can get on with, and I've tried them all – except smack [heroin] and morphine: I've never "fixed" anything." (not properly sourced)
8. "I have never had heroin, but since I moved to London from North Wales in '67 I have mixed with junkies on a casual and almost daily basis," he said. "I also lived with a young woman who tried heroin just to see what it was like. It killed her three years later. I hate the idea even as I say it, but I do believe the only way to treat heroin is to legalise it."
9. "Dogged insolence in the face of mounting opposition to the contrary" (from the Guardian obit)
10. "He was innovative, true to his art and continually relevant even though he never cared about being relevant. ... He was always creating and redefining hard rock and the role of bass within it. Offstage, he was a gem. I can't think of anyone who didn't adore Lemmy. He was such an original character in rock, and I will truly miss seeing him out on the road." (Alice Cooper)
11. "Lemmy, you are one of the primary reasons this band exists. We are forever grateful for all of your inspiration. Rest In Peace." (Metallica, via Facebook)
12. "Over the years as guitarists and drummers passed through Motörhead’s lineup, Lemmy remained the grizzled heart of the machine. His bronchial rasp — directed into a towering microphone tilted down into his weather-beaten face — was one of the most recognisable voices in rock, while his Rickenbacker guitar recast the bass as an overpowered, distorted rhythmic rumble." (Telegraph obit)
13. "People don’t become better when they’re dead; you just talk about them as if they are, but it’s not true! People are still a--holes, they’re just dead a--holes! ... I didn’t have a really important life, but at least it’s been funny." (Autobio, via Telegraph obit)

My question would be, are they all essential? I thought the school one was the weakest but I really do not believe we need this many quotes. --John (talk) 13:17, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

What's the limit for an article this size? Those not properly sourced should go. Happy to see Metallica go, but another editor has been asking for two more tweets to be added (see previous thread). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:28, 1 January 2016 (UTC) p.s. when can I start saying "with all due respect"?

John - the school one, noting that he was the only english student amongst tons of welsh provides tons of insight into what made him tick. the telegraph obit adds nothing, and was pretty clearly written anonymously by someone who did not know Lemmy well at all. Ozzy was a friend and is extremely well known globally. it's far more worth including than the telegraph obit. 2607:FB90:2400:B4E6:60FB:BC61:53C5:3DB9 (talk) 21:02, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Ozzy needs a source other than Twitter. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:04, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

That's the trouble, 2607:FB90:2400:B4E6:60FB:BC61:53C5:3DB9; if we emphasise this by publishing the quote in full, it does make it look like this was a hugely significant thing in his life. Maybe it was; I don't know for sure. Do you? Loads of people move school to a new area, and most of them do not become legendary bass players and singers. Do you see the problem? --John (talk) 22:14, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it looks like it was a hugely significant thing in his life. But I guess he was never asked to produce a numerically ranked table of all events, so that we might properly judge. Martinevans123 (talk)

Why was it so significant? He wrote an autobiography, what does he say about it there? --John (talk) 22:30, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

A good question. Although I think Wales OnLine is a perfectly appropriate source for something about Wales. Maybe his autobiography has more gravitas? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:38, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Nah, it is substantially the same according to Amazon. "I was in a very bad school, being the only English kid among about seven hundred Welsh - that was made for fun and profit, right?" He moved from Stoke to North Wales because his father had left. The story of him going for a pizza with his father many years later is much more interesting, if we can tell it in our own words without just using ctrl-C, ctrl-V. --John (talk) 22:49, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm sure there is a place for "our own words", but I'm not convinced that they can always improve first person quotes, just 'cos they're "ours". I'm not sure where Wikipedia would be without ctrl-C, ctrl-V. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:54, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

@John: no need to invent "trouble". i suggested the Ozzy quote (or part of it) since he is extremely well known and was a friend of Lemmy. he'd do a far better commemoration than the anonymous blurb written by someone at the telegraph who clearly does not understand the intricacies of what made Lemmy tick. any particular reason the telegraph bit is even in there at all? 2607:FB90:240E:A1E5:2363:E19E:523F:F1D0 (talk) 00:43, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

• Maybe this is something people don't really get unless they have occasion to write professionally or take part in peer review. Work you clip straight from the source is not your own work. It is somebody else's. This is not necessarily plagiarism if you identify and credit the source, but articles made up largely of quotes are dreadful ones. Writing an article in this way is intellectually lazy and leads to a poor article. There is no numerical limit for how much quoted material we use, though 10% is often cited as the upper limit of fair use. In my opinion, this article is skirting the maximum and some of the poorer quotes should be summarised. The full quotes can still be kept in the ref if people feel this is important, but we will no longer have an article in which every second paragraph has a long, often poorly sourced quotation of dubious relevance. --John (talk) 14:37, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

  I added Alice Cooper and Metallica, both from Rolling Stone. And two from The Telegraph (the second of which is now sourced to his autobiography). If that counts as "intellectually lazy", so be it. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:20, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

  I wouldn't argue for no quotations, just for them to be fewer and better. Maybe if we began by removing the ones that are poorly sourced? John (talk) 16:19, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

  Which do you consider poorly sourced? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:36, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

  2, 3, 5, 6, 11 on the list above. I especially dislike 3. --John (talk) 18:49, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

  The source for 11 is Rolling Stone magazine? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:51, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

  Yes, so it is. It was the mention of Facebook that made me think it might be worthless trash. Isn't 3 a beauty? --John (talk) 19:06, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

  Yes. Someone kindly found the archive after I had tagged it as dead (hoping it might go away). But it's not just WP:SPS commercial promo, it's archived WP:SPS commercial promo. That quote is a lot to have to go through just to get to Lemmy's (alleged) painfully contrived joke. But then, I don't have one of those models in my personal collection, so who am I to say. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:15, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

John, your premise, "this article is skirting the maximum", is flawed when conrad tao has 3 times the number of sources as Lemmy despite having accomplished significantly less thusfar in his life than Lemmy over the course of 70 years. And I do like Conrad + am not advocating his page be cut, i'm just pointing out inconsistency with information being restricted in this article.

Having said that, going with Your wikiadmin Premise, why occupy space with that unrepresentative unencyclopedic telegraph quote? 2607:FB90:240C:6E42:C76E:435A:6232:DD20 (talk) 21:16, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

John, is there some kind of quote quota that a Wikipedia article cannot exceed? If a quote is relevant and properly sourced, I see no reason why it shouldn't be included. It gives us a much better insight into the man's mind and character than a sterile paraphrasing written by someone who never knew him. Zacwill (talk) 15:07, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

There is some useful guidance on this at WP:Quotations. --John (talk) 15:54, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Were you talking to yourself John? "The quotation must be useful and aid understanding of the subject". If you're looking to cut the article, that telegraph quote does not help to understand Lemmy.2607:FB90:2405:BEDB:DEA4:F651:2E93:2981 (talk) 20:08, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

No, I was replying to User:Zacwill, as shown by the indentation. Are you new here? --John (talk) 20:20, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

more parts lurker than anything. do wiki admins always contradict themselves? i've noticed very often that all logic is lost when an admin bears a personal grudge (ie here where Nymf's mass deletions were upheld by ponyo & the user doing beneficial edits was banned (nightly show too edgy?). Or the hypocrisy whereby 2012 Aurora Shooting sources were insta-deleted by 2 sketchy sockpuppets while Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting conspiracy theories has its own page (since Holmes is alive & could potentially be partly exonerated whereas Lanza is dead?). But I digress. Given your "this article is too long" demeanor, why keep that useless telegraph quote that doesn't aid understanding of Lemmy? 2607:FB90:2405:BEDB:7D3E:BE61:54EE:D7E3 (talk) 20:59, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

I do not think the article is too long. I think it isn't very good, and it has too many quotes. --John (talk) 21:24, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, you do digress. You should raise those concerns at the appropriate Talk Pages, not here. By all means write an essay on admin's problems with logic - but in your own Talk Page sandbox. What is a "more parts lurker", sounds quite punky? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

anyone who brings those issues up "at the appropriate talk pages" gets banned by Edward Fitzgerald. But feel free to examine the Cooper Union financial crisis and tuition protests for how wikipedia bullshit gets truth tellers banned. I deleted the two worst quotes John. Hopefully that improves the article. 198.22.122.12 (talk) 05:40, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Not really. My idea was we would come to a shared understanding here then start trimming and paraphrasing the quotes. --John (talk) 12:02, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm going for concensus too. In addition to deleting the telegraph and autobiographical quote, John, you & disagree with all 4 of those changes (Piece of Ozzy quote ; Dave Grohl tattoo mention ; Removing obit by a telegraph guy who knew next to nothing about Lemmy ; Removing his autobiographical quote about his death). If anything, 4 stays imo but there's plenty of much better Lemmy quotes than that 1. Or are we still defending the telegraph? 2607:FB90:769:87F8:37E0:F37B:FE35:144C (talk) 20:31, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

If you think Edward Fitzgerald is misusing any privileges, you can report at WP:AN/I, but not here. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:14, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Sadly AN/I leadership is scared and/or complicit. Are we still defending the telegraph quote from a guy who doesn't understand Lemmy at all? 2607:FB90:769:87F8:37E0:F37B:FE35:144C (talk) 20:26, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Which "guy" was that, then? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:51, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

I hadn't seen this discussion prior to my removing some of the extensive quotes form the "Later years and death" section. Regarding Martinevans123's question, "how many tributes are permitted?", I'd say just mention them but don't include any actual quote unless it serves a purpose. All tributes from fellow rock stars can be summarized as "Lemmy was a great musician and a friend and we regret to hear he's dead [insert desired number of expletives]". That is exactly what is to be expected from such tributes, so they add no information. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 15:05, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

So you're saying, essentially: "tributes are a waste of time because they are all quite similar and add no encyclopedic facts"? And possibly "the fact that musician x was a friend of musician y, or thought highly of musician z, is not notable, unless it's already mentioned", in which case any tribute is redundant? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:26, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

I tend to agree. These remarks are generally not considered to be encyclopedic. See the Freddie Mercury page for instance on tributes. What perhaps is better is to include quotes of what was said at the funeral. Karst (talk) 15:38, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

"Quotes" is a bigger topic. But as regards tributes perhaps we should be aiming for the same simplicity as at David Bowie? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:06, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Element 115

I've reinstated this on the following grounds. The proposal has been mentioned in reliable sources. Although it is unlikely to succeed it is not in breach of the IUPAC naming conventions. As noted in this week's New Scientist it will be compliant provided there is astronomical object named after Lemmy. The proposal, at least in part, seeks to make chemistry have more "market appeal" to younger audiences—which is where the STEM fields, at least, in the West, have been suffering from declining university graduate numbers. It is supported by some reputable members of the scientific community. It is probably the biggest element naming "controversy" since the argy-bargy about the early transactinides. I believe this proposal has prompted some further debate about the narrowness of IUPAC's naming conventions, which is a good effort by itself for an out of the box suggestion. Petitioners now exceed 150,000. Yes it will most likely fail but not for want of trying nor boldness nor potential cultural impact. This one is in a different league to seeking to name e.g. a drink after him. Sandbh (talk) 11:39, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

"not in breach of the IUPAC naming conventions": actually, it is, since there is not (at least not at the time I write this) an astronomical object named after Lemmy. Double sharp (talk) 14:46, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

+1 --Alchemist-hp (talk) 15:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Honestly. There are 19 petitions on change.org that include Lemmy. Anyone can start one of those. This is trivial nonsense that is unlikely to achieve anything. Much like the JD and coke reference was removed this also needs to go. It is unencyclopedic and while these petions are great fun they should only be included if they have merit.Karst (talk) 16:47, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

• Why element 115, and not any of the other unnamed ones? Why at all when heavy metals were known even when poor metal Lemmie was born? Why not proposed "Moetorhedium", like Rg? -DePiep (talk) 20:08, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

One hit wonder?

Closing discussion. Block evasion by User:HarveyCarter. Binksternet (talk) 21:05, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Should the article mention that Lemmy only had one major hit? (79.67.106.249 (talk) 19:35, 21 January 2016 (UTC)) LOL, good luck with this one :P Mlpearc (open channel) 19:48, 21 January 2016 (UTC) "Aces of Spades" was his only hit song. (JimMcPherson (talk) 16:55, 22 January 2016 (UTC)) It wasn't "his", it was Motörhead's. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:23, 22 January 2016 (UTC) Silver Machine is a big hit with Lemmy singing, that isn't Ace of Spades. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:14, 26 January 2016 (UTC) A quick look at Motorhead's UK singles charts placings tells us that, no, we should not class Lemmy as a one-hit wonder. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 13:04, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Appearance in dairy commercial

This article does not mention Lemmy's appearance in dairy commercial which was turned into a tribute to him and became known worldwide Noseball (talk) 21:58, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Was he actually famous?

I'd never heard of him until today. (86.180.135.255 (talk) 15:50, 13 May 2016 (UTC))

Congratulations. Now he's really famous. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:03, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Life runs at a slower pace in Bury St Edmunds - Arjayay (talk) 16:21, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

"It's life, Jim, but not as we know it." 217.38.127.254 (talk) 17:36, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

One hit wonder?

Is it true "Ace of Spades" was his only hit? (165.120.240.45 (talk) 10:06, 2 August 2016 (UTC))

• No.

Next question.

_Muffled ^Pocketed 10:13, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

What other hits did he have? (165.120.240.45 (talk) 10:28, 2 August 2016 (UTC))

Silver Machine was a UK No 3, and Motorhead was a UK No 6, Ace of Spades originally only reached No 15, only breaking into the top 10 on the posthumous re-release. - Arjayay (talk) 10:32, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Cancer diagnosis

Was he really only diagnosed two days before his death? It was quite obvious he had cancer in his final interview from November 2015. (2A00:23C4:638C:4500:694D:5038:F46C:85E0 (talk) 12:38, 31 December 2016 (UTC))

How does one diagnose cancer from an interview? That Variety source clearly says, in a quote taken from his Facebook page: "He had learnt of the disease on December 26th". Not sure how this can be disputed. It's quite possible that he may have been told unofficially, but an official diagnosis wasn't sent until after his birthday. But I suspect we'll never know. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:57, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

You're probably right. But articles from 2015 referred to him as having lost a lot of weight. He does look like he has cancer here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAffqWyE8io (2A00:23C4:638C:4500:694D:5038:F46C:85E0 (talk) 13:14, 31 December 2016 (UTC))

Yes, he looks ill. Cancer diagnosis by YouTube video is a still a redlink, I think, but would probably save the NHS a few million pounds a year. So good luck with that. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:21, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

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Lemmy played not only bass

I know that Lemmy played not only bass, but also acoustic guitar, electric guitar, harp, piano and triangle. How should I add this info? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.232.236.102 (talk) 23:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Guitars are already mentioned in the early life section, the other instruments (harp, piano and triangle) will need reliable references before they could be added to the appropriate sections. What sources do you have to support your claims ? - FlightTime (open channel) 01:16, 1 November 2017 (UTC)