Talk:Alcoholic beverages in Oregon

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Alcohol in Oregon

• ... that in 1915, Oregon voters banned all alcohol, four years before the national prohibition in the United States? — New article by Peteforsyth (talk), Peregrine Fisher (talk). Self nom at 19:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

What do you think? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 19:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Looks good! Though, it wasn't 1933. I'm actually a little perplexed -- apparently your source says 1915, but none of the relevant ballot measures I see were in that year. Let's maybe do just a little more research before adding this? -Pete (talk) 19:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, let's nail that down first. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 20:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, one other thing -- I think we should get to the point where we're using more sources before nominating it. The current two sources are both from the state web site. Let's get a broader view in here. Excellent work today though -- thanks to both you and EncMstr for helping flesh it out! -Pete (talk) 20:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good.

I think it was measure 17 in 1914.[1] Look at page 9. DO they take a year to go into effect? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 20:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Just a sec on that one! -Pete (talk)

Yes, that looks just right! I suspect it was just an error on the web site. In general, ballot measures take effect 30 days after the election (according to the s:Oregon Constitution, though I don't recall when that amendment was passed. -Pete (talk) 20:52, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

On a related note: the Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution article says that Oregon ratified national prohibition on (January 15, 1919). But I don't see that anywhere in our list. Was this a ballot measure or a legislative action? I'm not fully clear on the process for federal constitutional amendments. -Pete (talk) 20:52, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it was a legislative action, but our page on the subject isn't very good.[2] - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 21:09, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I suspect you're right. I wonder whether the DYK should mention BOTH times Oregon outlawed alcohol before the 18th amendment, since it seems the 1844 ban may have been more historically significant. Also, I think we should reconsider phrase "all alcohol," since there was an exception for medical prescriptions. (Strangely reminiscent of the politics around general marijuana legalization and medical marijuana, huh?) -Pete (talk) 00:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

(redent) I agree, if we can fit it in the number of words requirement. And we should mention that the second one was four years before the national one. Maybe we could make a Progressiveness in Oregon page. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

A beer drinker calling prohibition "progressive?" I'm shocked, SHOCKED! ;) -Pete (talk)

How about "that Oregonians voted twice to prohibit the consumption of alcohol before the 1920 national prohibition against alcohol, in 1844, and in 1915?" There's a 200 character max, so we have about 50 more characters we could add. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 00:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Looks pretty good. I haven't read the source, but wasn't the first one just a prohibition on the sale, not consumption itself? Might want to just say "prohibit alcohol." I also think we should clarify somehow that the first "prohibition" was short-lived, otherwise having two separate laws passed sounds strange. Finally (wow, so many opinions!) I don't think it's accurate to call the first a "vote of Oregonians" -- it was probably the Provisional Legislature of Oregon, no? Not that they weren't Oregonians, but it sounds like a statewide popular vote as phrased. -Pete (talk) 02:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll work on it. It's just hard to fit it all into 200 characters. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant to offer a suggestion with all my critiques, but got distracted..I'm kind of in the middle of something now, but will try to come back shortly. -Pete (talk) 03:15, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I'll apply to DYK tomorrow, I think. The hook could also mention that it's the microbrew capital, although I don't know if a college paper is the greatest source for such a statement. Actually I just looked and I can probably bulk up that statement pretty well. The legal sections are a bit better than the production sections, though, IMHO. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 03:21, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with everything you say above. (See, I'm not always so critical ;) How about this?

• ...that Oregon banned alcohol twice before the rest of America: once prior to statehood (from 1944 to 1949) and then again in 1915, four years before passage of the 18th Amendment?
  • I'm going to post that. With 18s of course. ;-) - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 06:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
    • It's up.[3] Fix as need be. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 06:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Sources for expansion

This journal article, a review of Prohibition and the Progressive Movement, 1900-1920 by James H. Timberlake, should be available through the Multnomah County Library's web access, and may be useful. -Pete (talk) 20:43, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

The Oregon State Archives web exhibit about prohibition has a list of sources for further reading, as well. -Pete (talk) 22:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Here are a few more sources for craft distilleries in Oregon that I haven't had time to add info from:

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2

3

Feel free to use them, Steven Walling (talk) 02:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Just laws?

Does this article have to be just about laws and legislation? Because this could be a great overview article (could be GA material) if we include a section on Oregon wine (with a main article link) as well as beer in Oregon, and add information about our thriving craft distilling culture (I've got sources already lined up). What say ye? Steven Walling (talk) 20:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely, please go for it! That's why I moved it from Alcohol laws of Oregon. This is just a starting point =) -Pete (talk) 20:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks d00d. :) Steven Walling (talk) 22:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Ref for "Ballot measures relating to alcohol"

Where are you getting the info for "Ballot measures relating to alcohol"? I'd like to add that reference. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 19:52, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

The older measures are scattered around a few pages under this. The last few years are elsewhere, which I can't find at the moment. —EncMstr (talk) 20:12, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of that guys -- and sorry for my laziness! -Pete (talk) 21:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I got all the refs from that one link you mentioned. Am I misusing it for the later years? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 21:59, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Other ideas

• Can buy on Sunday (some states still don't), and some OLCC franchises are now open on Sundays (if I recall the government needed more tax revenue last recession). Aboutmovies (talk) 09:07, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Absinthe in Oregon

Actually, the anon might be onto something there... Katr67 (talk) 16:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

The article's reference is a Willamette Week article which says that Portland's Integrity Spirits created the second U.S. Absinthe, then goes into detail about the history and mystique of the liquor. —EncMstr (talk) 18:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Possible ref

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1909413,00.html - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 03:51, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

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Nothing about those little bottles of "liquor" (fortified wine apparently) you can get at gas stations in Oregon?

Thought it might be worth mentioning.Americanfreedom (talk) 16:18, 28 December 2023 (UTC)