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Song that only he could write music for

I wrote a song about my 9-year-old daughter, only I can't write music, I can sing, the only musician in the world that could make this song a reality is Alan Walker. Lgeisler1964 (talk) 01:03, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

What is that song you mentioned? DJ Baguio (talk) 23:09, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

'Sing me to sleep' is my favorite, the vocals are outstanding, but it's the beat that makes it extraordinary.... Signor Fuzzy Bear (talk) 19:17, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Many beginner music creators are "Inspired by Alan Walker." I think it is notable. --Love Krittaya (talk) 15:36, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

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Infobox -> citizenship

Anyone who regularly edits this page, Are there any sources on his citizenship? I have a very similar situation to Alan with my parents and where I was born and I hold two citizenships. Are we positive that Alan isn't a dual citizen to both the UK and Norway? Seems to me that his infobox should read:

Norway (1997-present)
United Kingdom (1997-present)

Just a thought,
Briscut (talk) 19:44, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

The information presented in the infobox is taken from the laws listed on following Wikipedia articles, and I quote:

• Norwegian nationality law#Descent from a Norwegian parent

Regardless of the place of birth, a child acquires Norwegian citizenship at birth if either parent is a Norwegian citizen. Originally, citizenship was only passed on to the children of Norwegian mothers, as they were the only provable parents, but over time a presumption of paternal parentage created citizenship for the child, and eventually even excluded the maternal jus sanguinis. As of 1 January 1979, mothers' rights to automatically pass on their Norwegian citizenship has been reestablished. The requirement that the mother and father be married to one another was abolished on 1 September 2006.

• British nationality law#Loss of British nationality:

British subjects (other than British subjects by virtue of a connection with the Republic of Ireland) and British protected persons lose British nationality upon acquiring any other form of nationality.

• Multiple citizenship#EFTA countries:

Norway - allows dual citizenship only in exceptional cases. A Norwegian citizen who voluntarily acquires another citizenship automatically loses Norwegian citizenship without notification, and foreigners wanting to naturalize must usually renounce their old citizenship. For details, see Norwegian nationality law - Dual citizenship.

• Norwegian nationality law#Dual citizenship:

In most cases, when one becomes a citizen of Norway, it is required as a principal rule that he/she renounce any other citizenship (thereby avoiding dual citizenship). In certain cases there are exceptions from this requirement, and double citizenship is allowed if... :

I may be wrong, but this is what I get out of the laws, to claim that he only has one citizenship.

OnWikiNo (talk) 20:10, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

@OnWikiNo: Good work on finding all of those. I almost just want to just write in Norwegian since it looks like you are one but it's an English article so better not. Here's my take on each of those:

• Norwegian nationality law#Descent from a Norwegian parent
  Reads straight to the point, if you have a Norwegian parent you are a Norwegian citizen no matter where you are born. A child is also a citizen of the country they are born in too, I was born to a Norwegian mother in the US so I have both a US citizenship and a Norwegian.
• British nationality law#Loss of British nationality
  This one took me the longest to understand but this is how I understand it. If Alan was to move to and live in a country where he isn't a citizen, any country but Norway or somewhere in the UK, and wanted to become a citizen then he would lose his British citizenship.
• Multiple citizenship#EFTA countries
  I believe this is just like the one above except he would lose his Norwegian. So if Alan moved to Germany and tried to become a German citizen he would lose both his Norwegian and his British citizenships.
• Norwegian nationality law#Dual citizenship
  I wish it was given as an example here but I see this just like above, if you have both citizenships at birth you are fine but if you try for another then you lose your Norwegian citizenship.

How do you see it? The only thing that came up for me was when I was 22 I had to submit papers asking to keep my Norwegian citizenship because I wasn't in Norway and paying taxes. The papers I submitted asked which years I lived in Norway and my identification number. Maybe in the U.K. there is something similar and he didn't retain his citizenship after he became an adult but I think when he moved to Norway he was still a British citizen. What are your thoughts though?
Briscut (talk) 05:51, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

I must say I agree with you to some point after looking deeper through sites about citizenship legislations. I see that you have experience from having a dual citizenship (one of them in Norway), so it is possible that the same applies to Alan.

But I already know that the Norwegian authorities make it difficult for people to get or retain dual citizenship. See for example the activist group called "Yes to dual citizenship" [Ja til dobbelt statsborgerskap] in Norway on these pages: http://statsborgerskap.info/ and https://www.facebook.com/JaTilDobbeltStatsborgerskap/, which demands the authorities to allow Norwegians to have dual citizenship. The authorities and UDI [Utlendingsdirektoratet] claims that only a few people allows to retain this, and I wonder when so many people are born of parents abroad by a Norwegian parent and vice versa, that they then claims it to only happening in rare cases when so may have the ability/right to have dual citizenship by birth. But it also could be a bad clarification from the authorities, I don't know.

I recently discovered some information on The Norwegian Directorate of Immigration (UDI) web site: https://www.udi.no/ord-og-begreper/dobbelt-statsborgerskap/ supporting what you says about Dual citizenship, and I translated it to English:

"Who can have dual citizenship?"

• "You can have dual citizenship if you got one citizenship from each of your parents when you were born. If one of your parents is Norwegian, you were probably automatically Norwegian citizenship at birth. If the country to the other parent has the same rule, you also get this citizenship and you can then have dual citizenship. This applies only if you automatically became a citizen of both countries when you were born, not if your parents did something active (for example, made an application or message) that you might get other nationality."

Here it says that the same law also must applies in the country where Alan was born - to have the same affect in both countries, Great Britain in this case. But I'm not quite sure how the legislation in Britain is designed.

If it turns out that he has dual citizenship, there is then no longer any point to erect it in the info box, but rather mention a sentence about it under "Early life". It was written and clarified in the info box to show when and where he became a citizen (because many readers seemed to be confused about his conections towards these countries), but if he has been a citizen of both countries in his whole life, there is no longer a need to distinguish it.

OnWikiNo (talk) 13:27, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

@OnWikiNo: You don't think that the activist group is lobbying for refugees to be able to hold/keep their citizenship from where they came from and get one from Norway as well? I haven't had time to read much since I'm on a work trip. Truthfully, I don't think that part of the infobox matters too much with how exact it is, I just saw that his history is similar to mine in a way and thought it might be wrong. If there isn't an interview with him talking about it then I don't think it matters too much, there's other info that's more important.
Briscut (talk) 04:04, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

I can agree with you on that, after reading some more in what I have found. It was also therefore I removed the dates of when he got citizenship and when he presumably lost it, but since we aren't sure that he ever lost it, we can only assume that he may have a dual citizenship, something that makes this case less significant to even use time to explaine in the infobox. As I mentioned earlier, i'm still unsure about the laws in the United Kingdom, but since they have high tolerance on dual citizenship, I can only assume it to be easier to retain even when he's residing in Norway. I only chosen to write an centences about it in the "Eary life" section, and the current information in the infobox shoud now be pretty neutral, but if people still thinks it doesn't have a purpose, then it's optional to remove it. Nothing is currently important in this case, as long as he hasn't mentioned it in a interview yet.

OnWikiNo (talk) 11:00, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

@OnWikiNo: Ok, great! This is why I like editing on Wiki, the great community plus I feel like I learn more when I make the edits than just reading the different articles. Thanks for being easy to work with and talk to!
Briscut (talk) 03:46, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

DJ Ness is Whistle but not officially recognized in Wikipedia

User:OnWikiNo, David Whistle might be DJ Ness but that doesn't mean his alias can be used to meet the requirements of infobox policies. As David Whistle, he only collaborated one time (1) with Alan Walker. The topic is about Alan Walker and David Whistle, not DJ Walkzzz and DJ Ness. - TheMagnificentist 14:03, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

I understand your point, and will leave out the collaboration parameter per se.

OnWikiNo (talk) 14:25, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Date of birth

@84.90.140.221: @148.69.12.92: Please stop changing Walker's date of birth without a reliable source, his current DOB is provided by his biography from Billboard. Moreover, you are currently engaged in an edit war as you have violated the three-revert rule, being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing. Thank you. Hayman30 (talk) 10:08, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

2017

Walker released a collection of remixes from his single titled "Alone", from artists such as Lost Frequencies, Alex Arcoleo, Blazars, and more.

Alan Walker Recently released an instrumental version of a future song titled "Ignite", a collaboration project with K-391, a fellow Norwegian electronic music producer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Besco101 (talk • contribs) 17:36, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Whoever though his song "Fade" is a drumstep song is seriously misguided on defining a song's genre. The song bears all the typical characteristics of a House song, albeit of a much lower tempo than usual. On the NCS Soundcloud page, Alan Walker's songs are classified as "Melodic House". 2404:4408:243C:F400:7D41:1398:7BB:2845 (talk) 05:32, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

@2404:4408:243C:F400:7D41:1398:7BB:2845: "Fade" could be melodic house but you provided no reliable source to verify that, sounds like it's solely based on your opinion on the song. Also, we do not capitalize genres on Wikipedia, please familiarize yourself with MOS:CAPS. Thank you. Hayman30 (talk) 06:02, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 4 September 2017

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The result of the move request was: no consensus; not moved. While the subject currently dominates page views, it's too soon to make a call for long-term significance. Wait a few years, then reassess. wbm1058 (talk) 18:26, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

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• Alan Walker (music producer) → Alan Walker
• Alan Walker → Alan Walker (disambiguation)

– Alan Walker (music producer) have the highest page view in Alan Walker article (see statistics). Also the Google search term "Alan Walker" refers to this page. Hddty. (talk) 15:46, 4 September 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. No such user (talk) 11:01, 20 September 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. DrStrauss talk 14:49, 29 September 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 09:46, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

• Support, because Alan Walker (music producer) has significantly higher views and the readers' convenience should be prioritized ahead of naming neutrality (unless there's a guideline or policy that says view counts don't matter). — Zawl 15:59, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose @Zawl: yes there is such a guideline which says that view counts are not the only criteria. To replace all other Alan Walkers in world history the Norwegian DJ would have to pass the second test of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC assessed by the "Alan Walker" test in GBooks. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:53, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi: His name doesn't appear at Google Books is mainly because Alan Walker (musicologist) that wrote many books. I also found that Alan Walker (music producer) have more page view than Alan Walker (see statistics), and this page has the highest page size among article in Alan Walker. Hddty. (talk) 13:28, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

No, the reason the DJ doesn't appear in books is because he isn't notable. That's the whole point of the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC guideline to prevent a DJ with one 7-charting DJ from displacing a dozen people including Sir Alan Walker. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:23, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose. There are 8 entries listed upon English Wikipedia's Alan Walker dab page — too many to single out one that is not a household name in the English-speaking world. As for the two additional names under "See also" — Allan Walker and Allen Walker — those can be accessed directly, aside from this dab page, by typing those exact name forms. Analogously, the music producer can also be accessed directly by typing the redirects Alan Olav Walker, Olav Walker or DJ Walkzz, if he is sufficiently well known by those alternative names. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 15:09, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Unreal7 (talk) 20:37, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose. This isn't even a case of the problem with page views, even the page views don't support this individual being the primary topic over all other meanings taken together. Andrewa (talk) 21:43, 27 September 2017 (UTC)]
• Support. This is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. It gets *98%* of the page views. Let's have our navigation setup follow what virtually all readers are looking for.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:01, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
• Support per Cuchullain. Pageviews are not everything, but 98% of pageviews is pretty darn close. Dohn joe (talk) 16:38, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose page views aren't a gauge of notability, merely a suggestion of such. Mentions in enough reliable sources are the actual standard of notability. The DJ clearly doesn't have that kind of coverage, regardless of page views._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 17:30, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
• Support - I'm naturally suspicious of page views for various reasons, but as a highly successful top selling musician I think he does outstrip the other journeymen sportspeople and others, and as others have said, 98% is a pretty large number.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:38, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
• Support per Cuchullian additionally the presumption above "the DJ clearly doesn't have that kind of coverage" is exactly that- a presumption. He's clearly doing something right and getting the coverage he needs to be getting 98% of the pageviews. jcc (tea and biscuits) 21:53, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose. A 20-year-old music personality is obviously going to get a lot of internet coverage. It doesn't make him the primary topic when we have so many people by that name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:37, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose One hit and transient attention isn't enough to make the DJ/producer the primary topic over the three influential scholars and the rest put together. —innotata 10:12, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose Mostly per innotata, and per Roman Spinner. —usernamekiran(talk) 20:38, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 23 January 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by page mover) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 23:42, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

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Alan Walker (music producer) → Alan Walker (musician) – "Musican" is a much simpler, shorter, and more widely-used dab to describe the subject of the article. "Music producer" is simply unnecessary - WP:CONCISE. Lazz_R 20:33, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose: Musican name is not suit at Alan Walker. He is well known music producer. If you change this name then it became a great problem for all viewers. I am not support at this. Siddiq Sazzad (Chat) 09:25, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Music Producer is the term which is widely used in modern times to denote EDM producers. Musician is not the right term for the person like Alan Walker. Anmolbhat (talk) 09:33, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. Walker is a producer as he uses production tools like digital audio workstation to produce music. A musician would be more to actual instruments like piano, etc. — Zawl 10:24, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

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Third-party

Hi wishlist's user,

How to fix the Third-party issues. We should discuss about this. Siddiqsazzad001 (Talk) 08:26, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2018

Change "The track has over 300 million views on YouTube,[12] 800 million plays on Spotify,[13] and 20 million streams on SoundCloud." to "The track has over 300 million views on YouTube,[12] 79 million plays on Spotify,[13] and 20 million streams on SoundCloud."

The information currently presented is inaccurate, as the song mentioned, "Fade" only currently has 79 million streams on Spotify. These Spotify facts are most likely confused with Alan Walker's other single, "Faded", which does have over 800 million streams on Spotify. 2606:6000:CACB:DB00:14FB:26F4:5F2B:9938 (talk) 04:49, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done See this [1]. Siddiqsazzad001 <Talk/> 05:27, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2019

Change Alan Walker's youtube channel's 22.1 million subscribers as of March 14 to 23.8 million as of April 4 DRlVE (talk) 01:27, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 06:23, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2019

Could you add the fact that Alan collaborated with the game PUBG Mobile ,providing mutiple videos about the game in his channel and adding a set of Alan Walker themed skins to the game? 119.236.11.97 (talk) 10:53, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. In addition, this seems like it might be too much detail for this article. If you disagree, please explain. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 12:57, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2019

The career portion is not updated so I want to edit it. Aksh910 (talk) 03:59, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. Please make a a precise request. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 04:14, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Career section says his video "Faded" has 400 million views on youtube. As of right now it is (an astonishing) 3.1 Billion views.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Reliable source? Like a screenshot? You can go to youtube, search "Faded" and see it is the first result. Right next to the video thumbnail it says 3.1B views. It would take all of ten seconds.

Screw it, I'll leave it set as answered. There always seems to be an issue with wikipedia in one way or another over the years. Think I'll go with the other, galaxy spanning info site.

My Friend Has a Fear

Hello there. If anyone's listening, would you please mind answering me ? My friend fears that Alan Walker is a puppet of Illuminati, and here are the links to two videos he cited as evidence: 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEcQjtKZmSQ 2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtY1QurbeF4 Please help me pacify him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam Ruben Abraham (talk • contribs) 09:59, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2020

Alan's youtube channel name has been changed from DjWalkzz to Alan Walker. Please change that. Electrostorms (talk) 02:33, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done -ink&fables «talk» 03:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Alan is ranked 26th on DJ Mag 2020

After new rankings by DJ Mag, Alan Walker is ranked 26th out of 100 in 2020. This information must be taken into consideration for editing. Adssr (talk) 09:16, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

World of Walker

We need info on this album. Who he worked with, how long it took to record, themes, inspiration, future projects, how it performed globally etc. 41.116.84.133 (talk) 12:43, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

GSOC 2022 Microtask 1 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T300454

websites

• alanwalker.com
• walkergaming.com

Alan Walker has two websites, one for his music art and the other for his games. I noticed the Youtube channels section contains both his Gaming channel and his Music channel so I thought it'll be uniform if we added his gaming website. Muluh MG Godson (talk) 06:02, 30 March 2022 (UTC) Muluh MG Godson (talk) 06:02, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done Happy editing! :) --Ferien (talk) 17:29, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 15 April 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. The typical usage vs. long-term significance debate. The opposers mainly argued that he isn't clearly possessing long-term significance dominance, but did not conclusively argue that any other Alan Walker was primary on this ground. On the other hand, the supporters demonstrated that usage-wise, the producer is heavily favoured, tipping the scales. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 02:41, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

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• Alan Walker (music producer) → Alan Walker
• Alan Walker → Alan Walker (disambiguation)

– reassessing Talk:Alan Walker (music producer)#Requested move 4 September 2017 as he has become more popular over time 207.81.187.41 (talk) 20:01, 15 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 19:47, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

• Support, he gets about 42 times more views than the next most viewed Alan Walker, he currently has the 50th most-subscribed to YouTube channel and has won multiple awards. Sahaib (talk) 20:56, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. There is no way that this 24-year-old is primary over all the other Alan Walkers put together, especially in long-term significance. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
  • @Necrothesp:, sounds like WP:IDONTLIKEIT as the age of the person does not matter. The subject has WP:SUSTAINED coverage for about a decade and this is not a case of WP:RECENTISM. Sahaib (talk) 16:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
    • No, just clearly not any sort of long-term significance yet established. Still WP:RECENTISM in the grand scheme of things. Pageviews are not the be all and end all. -- Necrothesp (talk) 21:50, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm not convinced that this guy has greater long term significance than all the others put together. The social scientist, for example, seems like he was quite influential. (t · c) buidhe 03:46, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose, absent evidence of superior long-term significance, as per both Necrothesp and Buidhe. BD2412 T 20:12, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
• Support per massive pageview differential. I'm a bit confused by the reasoning of these opposes. WP:PTOPIC does not require that a subject have "greater long term significance than all the others put together" to be primary. e.g. taking the long view, Anne Hathaway (wife of Shakespeare) certainly has more long-term significance than Anne Hathaway, but we make the actress the ptopic because it's the arrangement that will most efficiently get readers to the page they're looking for (for now - and probably for at least the next several decades). WP:PTOPIC is a balancing test. If one criterion is satisfied by a mile, and the other is a wash (as seems to be the case here), that's generally still quite sufficient to establish a primary topic. Colin M (talk) 14:37, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
  • As far as Anne Hathaway is concerned, that move was actually pretty controversial and only happened after the third attempt, so basically this is a WP:OSE argument. It certainly didn't establish an overriding consensus. And the individual in question here is a damned sight less notable than the actress in question there. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:34, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Support While there are other Alan Walkers, this one's page has a vast pageview difference compared to the others. Also, just because he is 24 doesn't mean he isn't currently more notable than others. Try Googling his name. Nythar (talk) 10:26, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

• Support. The DAB page alone received more views than every other Alan Walker I checked last year. That tells me the current setup is not working. The page can be moved again if the music producer falls to obscurity (it's happened with other pages before). Nohomersryan (talk) 21:46, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

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Basshunter

Basshunter is definitely one of inspirations or influences on Alan Walker music. Is there any source which mention it? Eurohunter (talk) 15:01, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Language

This whole article is horribly written, language wise. 62.192.163.37 (talk) 02:05, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Birth date

I am alan walker and I was born in july 19 2000 102.213.69.48 (talk) 11:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Post that to Alan Walker's official site and we can use it as a reference. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:54, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Nationality context in lead

Walker is a dual national UK and Norway at birth due to his parents. He moved to Norway at age two where he grew up, continues to live, started his career, did all his notable activities and where he is based. MOS:FIRSTBIO says the nationality content in the intro is "Context (location, nationality, etc.) for the activities that made the person notable" which is Norway and MOS:CONTEXTBIO says "... neither previous nationalities nor the country of birth should be mentioned in the opening paragraph unless relevant to the subject's notability" which excludes UK from mention in lead as he has done nothing there and UK is basically irrelevant to his life and career. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC)